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[00:00:00] Pretty much every morning you wake up
[00:00:02] and open your phone and think to
[00:00:03] yourself, I wonder if this roing fight
[00:00:07] on the right is still ongoing. The fight
[00:00:09] over who's a Nazi and who's Nazi
[00:00:10] adjacent and who should be platformed
[00:00:13] and who should be deplatformed? That
[00:00:14] fight, the one that has mesmerized ex
[00:00:17] users across the world. What is that
[00:00:19] fight actually about and how long will
[00:00:21] it continue? Well, the first thing to
[00:00:23] know about it is that it didn't start
[00:00:25] three weeks ago with Nick Fuentes's
[00:00:28] appearance on a podcast. No, this has
[00:00:30] been a fight taking place mostly behind
[00:00:32] the scenes since January. And that tells
[00:00:36] you a lot about what it's actually
[00:00:37] about. So, here's how it began. Donald
[00:00:39] Trump inaugurated January 22nd of this
[00:00:42] year. Almost immediately after he is
[00:00:45] visited at the White House by the first
[00:00:47] head of state to come to Washington, the
[00:00:48] prime minister of Israel, Benjamin
[00:00:50] Netanyahu. And the visit is not simply a
[00:00:53] congratulatory visit. They're not
[00:00:55] actually allies in any sense. Remember
[00:00:57] that Benjamin Netanyahu was one of the
[00:00:59] very first to congratulate Joe Biden
[00:01:00] after the 2020 election. So there's
[00:01:02] probably not a lot of warmth there. Just
[00:01:04] guessing. No, there was a purpose to the
[00:01:06] visit and the subsequent visits by the
[00:01:08] prime minister of Israel to Washington.
[00:01:10] And that was to get American support for
[00:01:13] regime change war in Iran to overthrow
[00:01:16] and replace the government of Iran,
[00:01:18] which the nation of Israel sees as its
[00:01:20] primary regional threat. Iran has all
[00:01:23] kinds of very dangerous conventional
[00:01:24] weapons. The United States spends a lot
[00:01:26] protecting Israel from those missiles.
[00:01:29] And Israel is also concerned that at
[00:01:31] some point Iran will either make or buy
[00:01:34] a nuclear weapon,
[00:01:36] leaving Israel no longer the only
[00:01:38] nuclear armed nation in the region. So
[00:01:40] that's what it's actually about. And to
[00:01:42] be honest, you can see from Israel's
[00:01:43] point of view, if you're trying to
[00:01:44] identify long-term serious threats to
[00:01:46] you, Iran would be at or near the top of
[00:01:49] the list, especially since Israel has
[00:01:52] taken out almost all the other threats.
[00:01:53] But really, it's just Iran. The question
[00:01:56] is, is it in America's interest to
[00:01:59] participate in that war? And make no
[00:02:01] mistake, Israel wouldn't last 3 days in
[00:02:03] a war by itself against Iran. In fact,
[00:02:05] probably not even 24 hours. Israel's
[00:02:07] population centers would be taken out by
[00:02:09] Iran's conventional weapons. And at that
[00:02:11] point, the Israeli government could
[00:02:12] either nuke Iran, starting a chain
[00:02:14] reaction that, you know, you can't
[00:02:17] really predict once it begins, uh, or
[00:02:20] allow hundreds of thousands of its own
[00:02:23] citizens, certainly tens of thousands,
[00:02:24] to be killed. So, Israel could not do it
[00:02:27] alone, and no honest person suggests or
[00:02:30] would suggest that it could. It needs
[00:02:31] the United States. So the question from
[00:02:33] the American perspective is, is it good
[00:02:35] for America to get involved in yet
[00:02:37] another Israel inspired regime change
[00:02:40] war in the Middle East? There have been
[00:02:41] quite a few, most notably Iraq.
[00:02:45] Is that a good idea?
[00:02:47] And so that debate began and it mostly
[00:02:49] began behind the scenes. It didn't sort
[00:02:52] of peek out into public view very often.
[00:02:54] But when it did, the people who wanted
[00:02:56] the regime change war against Iran
[00:02:59] almost with almost zero exceptions
[00:03:01] almost never admitted what they actually
[00:03:03] wanted and they certainly never
[00:03:04] acknowledge what the debate was actually
[00:03:06] about. It was about one nation's
[00:03:08] interest versus another nation's
[00:03:09] interest. Do those interests convene?
[00:03:12] Are they the same thing or are they at
[00:03:14] odds with each other? I can see why it
[00:03:16] be a good idea for Israel to want this.
[00:03:17] Is it a good idea for us? That's the
[00:03:19] debate that never took place. And it
[00:03:21] didn't take place because almost from
[00:03:23] the beginning, the people who wanted
[00:03:25] regime change war with Iran
[00:03:28] made the debate instead about why do you
[00:03:31] hate the Jews? You're a Nazi. And of
[00:03:34] course, that was never what the debate
[00:03:36] was about because Israel, the nation of
[00:03:39] Israel, the one with the parliament, the
[00:03:42] Knesset, and the military, the IDF, and
[00:03:44] lots of people and tech firms. And he's
[00:03:47] not, by the way, exclusively Jewish.
[00:03:50] And it isn't actually the same as all
[00:03:53] Jews in the world at all. And in fact,
[00:03:55] there are a lot of Jews around the world
[00:03:56] who have mixed feelings about Israel or
[00:03:59] certainly don't want a regime change war
[00:04:00] in Iran. But the people who do want that
[00:04:02] in the United States, Israel's proxies
[00:04:05] in the United States, its defenders, its
[00:04:06] professional defenders in the US,
[00:04:08] immediately made the debate about the
[00:04:10] Jews. It wasn't the anti-semmites who
[00:04:12] did that. Actually, it was the defenders
[00:04:16] of Israel in the United States, not all
[00:04:17] of whom are Jewish, to be clear. They're
[00:04:20] the ones who made the debate from the
[00:04:22] first day. Why do you hate the Jews? And
[00:04:26] so, for those who were hesitant to get
[00:04:29] into another regime change war, it's
[00:04:31] intimidating because you're happy to
[00:04:32] have a debate any time of day about
[00:04:35] what's in the interest of the United
[00:04:36] States, when should we project military
[00:04:38] force, what can we learn from the last
[00:04:39] 25 years, etc., etc., and you'd probably
[00:04:41] win that debate because there's no
[00:04:43] evidence that any regime change war
[00:04:45] we've engaged in in the past couple of
[00:04:47] generations has helped us. Zero evidence
[00:04:49] and everyone kind of knows that
[00:04:50] including the president of the United
[00:04:51] States. But if you make it a debate
[00:04:53] about why do you hate the Jews, then
[00:04:54] most people are going to opt out because
[00:04:56] they don't want to deal with it. Most of
[00:04:57] them don't hate the Jews. You hope no
[00:05:00] evidence that they do, but nobody wants
[00:05:02] to be tred as a bigot. And so very few
[00:05:07] people pushed back. Very few. In fact,
[00:05:09] as far as I know, only two people, me
[00:05:11] and Charlie Kirk, actually went and
[00:05:13] spoke directly to the president to make
[00:05:14] the case that no, you shouldn't get
[00:05:18] involved in this war because its aim is
[00:05:20] not actually to deny Iran a nuclear
[00:05:23] weapon. That may be a virtuous goal, but
[00:05:24] that's not really what this is about.
[00:05:26] What this is about is luring the United
[00:05:28] States into yet another regime change
[00:05:30] war. And if you do that, it's bad for
[00:05:31] everybody, including you. That's the
[00:05:32] case that we made. Charlie went to the
[00:05:34] White House to make that case, and God
[00:05:35] bless him for doing that. And he was
[00:05:37] hated for hated for doing that. Hated
[00:05:40] for doing that. But he did it. Very few
[00:05:42] other people did. In fact, as far as I
[00:05:43] know, none.
[00:05:45] So, of course, in June, the debate ended
[00:05:49] and the United States did commit
[00:05:51] military force to Iran. It bombed Iran
[00:05:53] and spent billions to protect Israel
[00:05:56] once again from the inevitable, the
[00:05:57] predictable conventional response from
[00:05:59] Iran, etc., etc. And in the end, thank
[00:06:01] God, we did not get lured into a regime
[00:06:04] change war. But the bitterness lingered
[00:06:07] and the total unwillingness of the
[00:06:09] people pushing for that war to state
[00:06:11] their aims to be honest about what they
[00:06:13] wanted and to defend what they wanted
[00:06:16] remained. They understood from the very
[00:06:19] first day that they could not win that
[00:06:20] debate. They didn't want that debate.
[00:06:22] They wanted another debate where they
[00:06:24] felt they could win or at least cow
[00:06:26] their opponents into total silence. And
[00:06:28] that debate was about quote the Jews
[00:06:30] anti-semitism.
[00:06:32] And again, this is a country that hasn't
[00:06:34] had a lot of anti-semitism. Decent
[00:06:36] people are not anti-semitic.
[00:06:38] Christians understand that anti-semitic
[00:06:41] behavior or thoughts, attitudes are
[00:06:45] uncchristian because Christians are
[00:06:47] universalist in their thinking. Every
[00:06:49] person has the capacity to come to God
[00:06:52] through Jesus. Every person, no matter
[00:06:53] how they were born.
[00:06:55] And so, of course, no sincere Christian
[00:06:57] could be an anti-semite. And no sincere
[00:06:59] Christian would ever defend
[00:07:00] anti-semitism. In fact, he would call it
[00:07:01] out as he would racism or any form of
[00:07:04] discrimination on the basis of blood. He
[00:07:06] would call it out immediately. So this
[00:07:07] was never about anti-semitism despite
[00:07:09] the fact there of course are
[00:07:10] anti-semites and all kinds of other
[00:07:11] people in this country. There are 350
[00:07:13] million of them. But this debate was not
[00:07:14] about the Jews or anti-semitism. It was
[00:07:17] about when to use military force and to
[00:07:19] what extent should you follow the lead
[00:07:20] of a much smaller nation as you think
[00:07:22] about your own nation.
[00:07:26] And for a lot of people, this was
[00:07:27] enormously frustrating since Donald
[00:07:28] Trump was elected for the second time
[00:07:30] last November on a platform that
[00:07:32] explicitly promised, and this is why he
[00:07:34] was elected, to help the United States,
[00:07:36] which is in tough shape and getting
[00:07:37] worse. And everybody knows that. And all
[00:07:40] of a sudden, this foreign prime minister
[00:07:42] shows up and starts hijacking the
[00:07:44] attention and the money of our country
[00:07:47] to his ends.
[00:07:49] And that could be any prime minister, by
[00:07:51] the way. It happens to have been
[00:07:52] Benjamin Netanyahu.
[00:07:54] But conceptually that's outrageous and
[00:07:58] people were justly upset about it.
[00:08:00] Absolutely they were upset about it.
[00:08:03] So where will this go? Well, of course
[00:08:05] the people who think the US government
[00:08:07] should act always and everywhere on
[00:08:09] behalf of its own citizens, the America
[00:08:11] first people, those people are going to
[00:08:13] win the debate. In fact, there's never
[00:08:15] actually been a real debate. But when
[00:08:18] people's mind fog clears and they can
[00:08:21] think about what just happened, they'll
[00:08:23] understand that this was never about the
[00:08:24] Jews or anti-semitism, much less Hitler
[00:08:27] who's been dead for 80 years as of
[00:08:29] April. No, it was about should the
[00:08:32] United States act in its own interest or
[00:08:34] should it subvert its own interests on
[00:08:36] behalf of a foreign power with a very
[00:08:38] effective lobby in Washington. That's
[00:08:39] exactly what the debate is and the
[00:08:41] answer is of course no. So the America
[00:08:45] first people are the people who just
[00:08:46] think the government should serve its
[00:08:48] own citizens, which let me remind you is
[00:08:49] the only legitimate rationale for
[00:08:51] representative government. In other
[00:08:53] words, if the government is not
[00:08:55] representing its own citizens, if it
[00:08:56] doesn't care about its own citizens,
[00:08:58] it's not only off track, it's
[00:08:59] illegitimate. It has no basis to govern
[00:09:04] because it's a representative democracy.
[00:09:07] So you are morally bound, you're legally
[00:09:08] bound to represent your own people.
[00:09:10] That's the only purpose of having a
[00:09:12] government in our country is to
[00:09:13] represent our people. And if you're not
[00:09:16] doing that, you're not legitimate.
[00:09:19] So, they will win. And in a year or two,
[00:09:21] we're going to look back on what we've
[00:09:23] been watching for the last month or last
[00:09:26] eight months and we're going to realize
[00:09:28] this is exactly like BLM or me too.
[00:09:32] You know, at the core there may have
[00:09:33] been a point, but basically it's
[00:09:36] buffoonery.
[00:09:39] it it is an effort to divert your
[00:09:41] attention from the real crisis.
[00:09:46] And we're going to wonder, wait a
[00:09:47] second, since since when did the
[00:09:49] institutional right conservatives,
[00:09:52] people who run the think tanks and the
[00:09:54] dumb magazines nobody reads and the
[00:09:56] people with bloated on Fox News. Since
[00:09:57] when did those people become completely
[00:09:59] committed to identity politics and
[00:10:02] censorship?
[00:10:03] Because they are committed to identity
[00:10:05] politics. That's what this is. It's
[00:10:06] identity politics. Of course, it's group
[00:10:10] over nation. Of course, it's another
[00:10:12] country above our country, a tiny
[00:10:13] country, an irrelevant country over our
[00:10:16] country.
[00:10:18] And
[00:10:19] people are going to look at that and
[00:10:20] say, "Wait a second. We thought, in
[00:10:23] fact, we voted for you because we
[00:10:24] thought that the two things we could be
[00:10:27] assured you believed were you were
[00:10:29] against identity politics. You lectured
[00:10:30] us about woke for like 10 years. You're
[00:10:32] against woke because you're against
[00:10:34] identity politics. You're against
[00:10:35] tribalism.
[00:10:36] And here you are not only embracing it,
[00:10:38] but using it as a cudel to hit people in
[00:10:40] the face. And maybe even more shocking,
[00:10:44] we knew for a fact you were against
[00:10:45] censorship.
[00:10:47] I mean, isn't that the whole point of
[00:10:48] the Trump election? We're against
[00:10:50] censorship. You can't censor people in a
[00:10:52] free society. You can't have censorship
[00:10:54] in a democracy. How will you have the
[00:10:56] information required to vote?
[00:10:59] Censorship is totally incompatible with
[00:11:02] democratic government. Period. And it's
[00:11:04] also, by the way, illegal under the
[00:11:06] First Amendment to the Bill of Rights.
[00:11:08] And Republicans just won an election on
[00:11:11] that platform. And all of a sudden, we
[00:11:13] learn there's really nobody in the world
[00:11:16] more excited about censorship than a
[00:11:19] Neocon podcaster or a National Review
[00:11:21] staffer. They just love it.
[00:11:24] People aren't going to forget that. And
[00:11:26] in a year or two or five years or
[00:11:27] whatever, we're going to look back as we
[00:11:28] do on COVID and the BLM riots and the Me
[00:11:31] Too movement and we're going to ask
[00:11:33] ourselves, how do we fall for another
[00:11:35] moral panic? Another social mediadriven
[00:11:37] moral panic. How did everyone go insane
[00:11:39] all at once denouncing each other and
[00:11:42] denouncing old friends and clowning
[00:11:45] themselves because they're caught up in
[00:11:46] this moment and they can't see that
[00:11:48] they're betraying the very principles
[00:11:50] they claimed like six months ago they
[00:11:52] would give their lives for.
[00:11:55] And those people are going to feel shame
[00:11:56] and many of us will feel contempt for
[00:11:58] them more than we already do. So that's
[00:12:02] going to happen. They can't win this
[00:12:03] debate. It's not actually a debate. It's
[00:12:06] them name calling.
[00:12:09] So that's going to happen. Rest assured.
[00:12:11] But in the meantime, the rest of us have
[00:12:13] to listen to an awful lot of a man who a
[00:12:16] year ago was unknown to most Americans.
[00:12:19] Kind of a third tier podcaster, TV host
[00:12:22] or radio host or whatever. for a guy who
[00:12:23] was a weekend show on a cable channel, a
[00:12:26] guy called Mark Leavin. And for the last
[00:12:28] month, we've been watching Mark Levin
[00:12:30] say things that no one in my lifetime
[00:12:32] has ever said from the right like this.
[00:12:36] Watch. I don't know whether it's Jew
[00:12:38] hatred from the Marxists, the Islamists,
[00:12:41] the neo-Nazis,
[00:12:44] the grifters. I don't know where they're
[00:12:46] pulling us and pushing us.
[00:12:50] What do they want to do with American
[00:12:52] Jews?
[00:12:56] What do they want to do? Where are they
[00:12:58] taking this country?
[00:13:03] They're destroying it.
[00:13:08] Carlson, Owens, Kelly, Bannon. It is a
[00:13:12] time for choosing. You pick the good
[00:13:14] guys or the bad guys.
[00:13:17] You pit America or you pit the third
[00:13:20] right. They're not MAGA. They're not
[00:13:24] conservative.
[00:13:25] In fact, they're more Marxist, Islamist,
[00:13:28] Americahating, Jewhating thugs than
[00:13:30] anything else. And let me educate them
[00:13:33] briefly.
[00:13:36] The Babylonians couldn't kill the Jews.
[00:13:43] The Persians couldn't kill the Jews.
[00:13:49] The Romans couldn't kill the Jews.
[00:13:54] Hitler couldn't kill the Jews. And by
[00:13:55] this I mean eliminate them.
[00:14:00] You think your puny little asses
[00:14:06] are going to be able to do it? Kill the
[00:14:09] Jews.
[00:14:10] Your first thought is, "Wait a second.
[00:14:12] How do we get to that?" No, just don't
[00:14:15] want a regime change war against By the
[00:14:17] way, a war in which Jews would die
[00:14:19] presumably both in the US military and
[00:14:21] the IDF. Like, no, don't want to kill
[00:14:23] anybody. Actually, that's kind of the
[00:14:24] point. You want to kill the Jews? So,
[00:14:27] the first thing you notice is like the
[00:14:28] total inversion
[00:14:30] of what the argument actually is. It's
[00:14:32] an argument about to what extent should
[00:14:35] US military power be used on behalf of
[00:14:38] another country, not the United States.
[00:14:40] That's it. That's the debate. and all of
[00:14:42] a sudden it becomes the Babylonians, the
[00:14:44] Nazis, TRYING TO KILL THE JEWS.
[00:14:47] So [snorts] again, it's an inversion.
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[00:15:55] The second thing you notice is how
[00:15:57] totally personal this is. You're members
[00:16:01] of the Third Reich. You're Nazis. You're
[00:16:04] evil. You're an Islamist. You hate Jews.
[00:16:06] cuz you're an anti-semit. You hate
[00:16:07] America.
[00:16:09] Okay.
[00:16:10] None of I mean that's ad homonym.
[00:16:13] There's no even attempt to address the
[00:16:16] argument that anyone Mark Levin doesn't
[00:16:18] agree with is his making. Instead, it's
[00:16:19] just just attacking them as people.
[00:16:22] And the third thing you notice is what
[00:16:24] animates this, which is hate. Mark Levin
[00:16:26] is filled with hate, obviously. And hate
[00:16:28] is one of those words that is thrown
[00:16:30] around a lot as a weapon. You're filled
[00:16:32] with hate. That's hate. It's hate
[00:16:33] speech. Therefore, you can't say it.
[00:16:36] etc. But that doesn't mean just because
[00:16:38] the word itself is used cynically that
[00:16:40] the term doesn't describe anything or
[00:16:42] that hate isn't real. Hate is absolutely
[00:16:43] real. Hate is absolutely real. And if
[00:16:46] you listen to enough Mark Leavin,
[00:16:48] you yourself can become hateful.
[00:16:52] Reacting against it can turn you into
[00:16:55] what he claims you are. And that's just
[00:16:58] a fact of human nature. You stick your
[00:17:01] face right up against this, after a
[00:17:02] while, you will become hateful. All of
[00:17:05] us, even people are committed to not
[00:17:06] being away. It happened to me last week.
[00:17:08] Last week, a week ago tonight. I'm
[00:17:10] sitting on stage with Megan Kelly at an
[00:17:12] event she was doing in New York. And I
[00:17:14] think Dick Cheney had died that day. And
[00:17:16] I knew Dick Dick Cheney obviously. And
[00:17:18] he had died. And I disagree with Dick
[00:17:20] Cheney, but I'm not going to criticize a
[00:17:22] man on the day he dies. Just not going
[00:17:23] to do that because I have reverence for
[00:17:24] death. But I had a lot of emotion on the
[00:17:27] topic. And so I said a few nice words
[00:17:28] about Dick Cheney. He was a great fly
[00:17:30] caster or whatever. And then I started
[00:17:31] thinking about his daughter, Liz Cheney,
[00:17:33] whom I also know. and have disliked for
[00:17:36] intensely for quite some time because
[00:17:39] she slandered me and because I think she
[00:17:41] is a violence espouser and I I disagree
[00:17:43] with that and I have contempt for it but
[00:17:46] rather than say that I just attacked in
[00:17:48] a vicious way
[00:17:51] Liz Cheney and I said something awful
[00:17:53] about Liz Cheney actually didn't explain
[00:17:55] why I was mad at Liz Cheney I just
[00:17:58] slandered Liz Cheney basically and I
[00:18:00] said that her father would be ashamed of
[00:18:01] her and if I had a daughter like that
[00:18:02] I'd probably kill which is an awful
[00:18:04] thing to say. It's kind of hard to
[00:18:06] believe I said that. But in my mind, I
[00:18:08] was thinking of all the people I
[00:18:10] dislike, Liz Cheney would probably be at
[00:18:11] the top of the list. And so therefore,
[00:18:13] because I dislike her personally because
[00:18:15] I know her personally. And because I so
[00:18:17] disagree with everything about her
[00:18:20] political views, I'm the opposite of Liz
[00:18:22] Cheney. If you were to graph it out, be
[00:18:25] I'd be on one side, Liz, the other.
[00:18:27] Because we disagree so profoundly.
[00:18:30] I told myself, clearly I must have told
[00:18:32] myself that you could say anything you
[00:18:33] want about Liz Cheney. She's not really
[00:18:35] human. You can say anything you want,
[00:18:36] including something really awful and
[00:18:38] nasty like, "If I was her dad, I would
[00:18:40] kill myself." Who thinks like that? Who
[00:18:42] talks like that? Well, I did.
[00:18:44] And so, I just want to say I'm sorry to
[00:18:46] Liz Cheney. And I mean that, too. I mean
[00:18:48] that. I shouldn't have said that. I'm
[00:18:50] sorry I said that. I'll I will not stop
[00:18:52] disagreeing with Liz Cheney until she
[00:18:54] changes her views. I hope that she does.
[00:18:56] But there is never an excuse to talk
[00:18:58] about people like that. And that kind of
[00:19:00] is the trap here. Mark Leavvin is almost
[00:19:04] 70 years old, you know? I mean, no one's
[00:19:07] going to eat the dog food here, okay?
[00:19:08] That that is not a message anyone's
[00:19:10] going to buy. So, the fear is not that
[00:19:12] Mark Levvin will take over American
[00:19:14] politics. That's not going to happen.
[00:19:18] The fear is that we become Mark Levin by
[00:19:21] staring at Mark Levin too much. We
[00:19:23] become him. Another way of putting it is
[00:19:26] the fight is not against Mark Levvin and
[00:19:28] the many Mark Leven out there, the
[00:19:30] screamers,
[00:19:32] the slanderers, the impuntors of
[00:19:34] character, the liars.
[00:19:36] The real fight is within ourselves. The
[00:19:39] real fight is against our own nature,
[00:19:41] our own natural inclination to in the
[00:19:43] face of Mark Levin become Mark Leven.
[00:19:47] And the cost is to us. You You hurt
[00:19:51] yourself. Don't become evil because
[00:19:54] what's the point? What is the point?
[00:19:58] And the only way to present prevent
[00:20:00] yourself from becoming that person is by
[00:20:02] admitting that you've acted like that
[00:20:05] person and apologizing for it sincerely,
[00:20:07] not in a fake way. Oh, I'm sorry if you
[00:20:09] didn't like it. No, I'm sorry because
[00:20:11] that's wrong and it's exactly what I
[00:20:13] don't like about someone else and I
[00:20:15] don't like it about myself when I do it
[00:20:17] and I'm going to try not to do it again.
[00:20:18] And of course, I will do it probably by
[00:20:19] the end of the show. I'll do it again
[00:20:21] because I'm prone to that because I get
[00:20:22] mad. But we need to say every single
[00:20:25] time we do that, no, I'm sorry I did
[00:20:28] that and I'll try my best not to do it
[00:20:30] again. So really, just to keep in mind
[00:20:33] as things heat up, don't become the
[00:20:37] people you despise, or else what's the
[00:20:40] point?
[00:20:41] We wind up I mean, the Second World War
[00:20:43] is that story. We're fighting for
[00:20:45] freedom, but we're arming Joseph Stalin
[00:20:46] to do it. Really? We sent more money and
[00:20:49] airplanes and tanks and jeeps and boots
[00:20:51] and food
[00:20:53] to Joseph Stalin, the greatest mass
[00:20:55] murderer in history, in order to bring
[00:20:57] what? Freedom to the world. It's not a
[00:21:00] defense of Hitler, of course. But that's
[00:21:02] shameful. The Roosevelt administration
[00:21:04] did that with a full support of his
[00:21:06] party. It's like, don't become the thing
[00:21:09] that you hate. That's it. And if you
[00:21:12] don't do that, if you allow yourself to
[00:21:15] get carried away so mad that you start
[00:21:18] mimicking the hate that's coming at you,
[00:21:21] what happens? Well, of of course it
[00:21:24] flowers into violence. Like that's
[00:21:25] inevitable of we're very close to that
[00:21:28] now. In fact, we're there in some ways.
[00:21:30] It's happened. We just we're still
[00:21:31] talking about a political assassination,
[00:21:33] a friend's political assassination on
[00:21:36] September 10th. Charlie Kirk was
[00:21:37] murdered because of this. So it can
[00:21:39] happen and it will happen unless all of
[00:21:43] us
[00:21:46] prevent ourselves from becoming that.
[00:21:47] And by the way, you can't control other
[00:21:48] people. All you can do is control your
[00:21:50] own behavior. So if you act like that,
[00:21:51] apologize for it. I'm going to really
[00:21:52] try and do that. But we are absolutely
[00:21:55] moving toward violence. And it should be
[00:21:57] really clear. That's the other thing is
[00:21:58] you don't want to espouse violence
[00:22:00] because where does it go? It always
[00:22:03] begets more violence 100% of the time.
[00:22:06] September 11th
[00:22:09] led to millions of deaths in the Middle
[00:22:11] East.
[00:22:12] Yeah. October 7th led to Gaza. Like this
[00:22:17] all once the violence begins, you can't
[00:22:19] predict its course, but you can be
[00:22:21] fairly certain it will accelerate.
[00:22:24] And when that happens, all calculations
[00:22:26] change and people change
[00:22:29] and the feud becomes irresolvable and
[00:22:31] more people die. And that could happen
[00:22:32] in our country. So the only way to stop
[00:22:34] it
[00:22:35] is by controlling your own behavior so
[00:22:38] you yourself don't become evil.
[00:22:40] So Mark Leavvin
[00:22:45] is already there and we know that
[00:22:47] because Mark Leavvin has repeatedly and
[00:22:51] he's not the only one but he's the most
[00:22:53] blunt
[00:22:54] has repeatedly called for just murdering
[00:22:57] civilians children in Gaza because
[00:22:59] they're Amalcch or whatever they're
[00:23:02] stained by blood guilt. Prime Minister
[00:23:05] of Israel said exactly the same thing.
[00:23:08] They are guilty by virtue of how they
[00:23:11] were born. So that by definition
[00:23:13] includes women and children. So Mark
[00:23:15] Leavvin is not clever enough to keep the
[00:23:17] implications of these views to himself.
[00:23:19] And he said them repeatedly on
[00:23:20] television just to give you a sense
[00:23:21] about how Mark Levvin feels about human
[00:23:23] life and the human soul. Watch this. And
[00:23:26] I'm supposed to what? Shed crocodile
[00:23:29] tears for what's going to happen to
[00:23:32] these people? I'm not. Maybe I'm the
[00:23:35] only one who will voice it, but I'm not.
[00:23:42] Israel has every right
[00:23:46] to throw every damn thing it has
[00:23:50] at barbarians and if there are innocent
[00:23:52] people quote unquote civilians who are
[00:23:54] killed,
[00:23:56] then maybe they ought to organize to
[00:23:58] take out the government they elected.
[00:24:00] Tapper and the others are saying there's
[00:24:02] 2 million Palestinians
[00:24:05] in Gaza. They're not all terrorists.
[00:24:08] They don't all believe in Hamas. They
[00:24:11] really have no choice. Let me ask you a
[00:24:13] question. Is that how we treated the
[00:24:15] German people
[00:24:17] when we were fighting the Third Reich?
[00:24:19] Well, they're not all Nazis. I mean, you
[00:24:22] got to fight to win and survive. You
[00:24:24] can't sit there and figure all that
[00:24:26] stuff out. Well, but don't hurt the
[00:24:28] civilians.
[00:24:30] Look, we have to defend ourselves. The
[00:24:33] Israelis have to defend ourselves. The
[00:24:35] free world has to defend itself.
[00:24:39] And if there's collateral damage,
[00:24:42] well, that's too bad.
[00:24:45] 25 years ago in this country, people
[00:24:47] didn't talk that way. They didn't. It
[00:24:49] was a different It was a different
[00:24:50] landscape, different expectations. The
[00:24:53] idea of blood guilt, because that's what
[00:24:55] he's describing there. You should be
[00:24:57] killed by virtue of who your parents
[00:24:59] are, who your grandparents were, by
[00:25:02] virtue of how you were born. You should
[00:25:03] be killed. You don't have a right to
[00:25:05] live. You're guilty because you were
[00:25:08] born.
[00:25:09] And which of course leads to collective
[00:25:11] punishment and genocide. That's the
[00:25:13] basis of genocide right there. That
[00:25:14] attitude that was considered totally
[00:25:17] uncchristian and unamerican because it
[00:25:19] is. And if s someone said something like
[00:25:22] that on television, I mean, he'd be
[00:25:23] probably pulled off the air for that.
[00:25:26] you should kill kids because you don't
[00:25:28] like their parents. That is their
[00:25:30] attitude. That's the Israeli
[00:25:31] government's attitude. Well doumented
[00:25:33] attitude. We're paying for that.
[00:25:36] And you could say, well, you know, you
[00:25:39] don't have to hate Israel. But that
[00:25:41] behavior is not better than Hamas at
[00:25:43] all. In fact, it's kind of the same,
[00:25:45] right? Killed civilians. They came in
[00:25:48] and killed people at a music festival.
[00:25:49] BB turns out let them in. Um, we found
[00:25:52] out today in the Knesset, but whatever
[00:25:53] you think of what happened on October
[00:25:54] 7th, you know, Israeli civilians were
[00:25:56] killed. That's terrible. We're against
[00:25:57] that. We have to be against that. And
[00:25:59] we're no better than the people we're
[00:26:00] fighting. Of course, what is the
[00:26:01] difference between us and them? We're in
[00:26:03] different groups. That's not a
[00:26:05] meaningful difference. The difference is
[00:26:07] we're committed to a set of Western
[00:26:09] principles. And those principles begin
[00:26:11] with we reject blood guilt. And because
[00:26:15] we do, we reject collective punishment
[00:26:18] and genocide. A lot of us thought that
[00:26:21] was a consensus after World War II. That
[00:26:23] was the lesson of the Nazi regime.
[00:26:26] Should have been the lesson of the
[00:26:26] Soviet regime,
[00:26:28] which of course practiced collective
[00:26:30] punishment and committed genocide
[00:26:31] against Christians. Most people don't
[00:26:33] even know that it did more efficiently
[00:26:34] than the Nazis did. But all of it is
[00:26:36] terrible. All of it is awful.
[00:26:39] And a lot of us thought that was the
[00:26:41] main lesson that we were supposed to
[00:26:42] take away from the war. And by the way,
[00:26:44] that's a great lesson. That's an
[00:26:45] excellent lesson. We should take that
[00:26:46] lesson from the Second World War.
[00:26:48] And then you wake up and there's Mark
[00:26:50] Leven. Not just Mark Levin, but our
[00:26:51] policy makers, our members of Congress,
[00:26:54] most of them are not Jewish, by the way.
[00:26:56] This like infected everybody. That's
[00:26:58] okay. It's not okay. It'll never be
[00:27:00] okay. It's a shame. It's shameful
[00:27:03] behavior. It's a stain on this country.
[00:27:06] You You can't fight people unless you
[00:27:10] think you're morally superior to them.
[00:27:13] You shouldn't be.
[00:27:15] And how can you say you're morally
[00:27:16] superior if you're operating from the
[00:27:18] same assumption, which is that everyone
[00:27:20] on the other side should be killed
[00:27:22] because of how they were born? But that
[00:27:24] is absolutely Mark Levin's assumption.
[00:27:27] And he said it out loud. Look at this
[00:27:28] Twitter exchange. Watch this. She's
[00:27:31] basically saying, "I don't understand
[00:27:33] like why we're getting involved in all
[00:27:34] this stuff." And Mark Levvin is saying,
[00:27:36] "Well, you're a Nazi." And someone
[00:27:39] writes in and says,
[00:27:41] "Mark, I'm not even, you know, I may be
[00:27:43] on your side or not, but what you're
[00:27:45] saying is actually creating
[00:27:46] anti-semitism." And he's saying, and I'm
[00:27:48] quoting, "At anti-semitism is quote, in
[00:27:50] your family's DNA." Who thinks that?
[00:27:55] Who would say something like that?
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[00:29:01] are not in your DNA. We don't believe in
[00:29:03] a chosen people and we don't believe in
[00:29:06] a damned people. Period. We don't
[00:29:10] believe that in the West. We don't
[00:29:12] believe that some people's
[00:29:15] are inherently better or worse than
[00:29:17] other people's. We believe in
[00:29:20] individuals in the capacity of every
[00:29:22] person to make individual choices and
[00:29:24] change for the better or the worse. And
[00:29:26] on that basis they are judged but not on
[00:29:28] how they were born. And if we don't
[00:29:29] believe that, if we think that some
[00:29:31] people are just like inherently bad
[00:29:33] because their DNA
[00:29:35] as Mark has said and a lot of other
[00:29:36] people like Mark have said,
[00:29:39] then what's the point of all, you know,
[00:29:41] what's the point of all of this?
[00:29:44] At that point, it's just like, well, my
[00:29:45] group has more guns than your group and
[00:29:46] we're in charge.
[00:29:48] That attitude gets people killed and it
[00:29:50] rots your soul.
[00:29:52] That's why we say anti-semitism is bad
[00:29:54] in the first place, isn't it? You can't
[00:29:56] judge a whole group of people by how
[00:29:58] they were born, by their genetics, by
[00:29:59] their DNA. But there's Mark Levin doing
[00:30:02] it. So, it shouldn't surprise you that
[00:30:05] of course if you have those attitudes
[00:30:06] and you think there are Americans, and
[00:30:08] he clearly does, whose DNA makes them
[00:30:11] less than human, unsalvageable,
[00:30:14] inherently evil.
[00:30:16] Well, it shouldn't surprise you that
[00:30:18] he'd be calling for violence against
[00:30:19] them. And he is.
[00:30:22] And this isn't like your kind of classic
[00:30:24] like, "Oh, everyone's out to kill me.
[00:30:26] I'm so important. I despise that."
[00:30:30] But it's a fact. And we know that from
[00:30:32] what he says. So, here's Mark Levin
[00:30:35] about two weeks, in fact, I think
[00:30:36] exactly two weeks after Charlie Kirk was
[00:30:38] assassinated, and he was trying to
[00:30:40] explain how this happened. How did
[00:30:41] Charlie get killed? Here's what he said.
[00:30:44] The call to violence. That's what it is.
[00:30:47] You're calling people Hitler. It's a
[00:30:48] mass murder.
[00:30:52] You're treating ICE like it's the
[00:30:54] Gestapo or the SS.
[00:30:58] Then you're free to shoot them. There
[00:31:00] you go. You call people Hitler, they get
[00:31:03] killed, right? You you torque up the
[00:31:05] rhetoric to we've all decided Hitler is
[00:31:07] the worst. Okay, great. Hitler's bad for
[00:31:10] sure.
[00:31:12] So once you call people that, you liken
[00:31:14] them to the person we collectively agree
[00:31:16] is the worst person ever, person we
[00:31:18] collectively agree if you had a chance
[00:31:19] to kill baby Hitler, you would. Then why
[00:31:22] wouldn't you kill the people who were
[00:31:24] Hitler in your own society? You probably
[00:31:25] would and you'd feel justified in doing
[00:31:27] it. And that was the point he was
[00:31:28] making. Yeah, fair point. You know, you
[00:31:30] hope it's not used to censor people.
[00:31:32] You're allowed to have ugly thoughts, by
[00:31:34] the way. They're constitutionally
[00:31:35] protected, but you should be discouraged
[00:31:37] from it for sure. And as Mark Leven just
[00:31:39] said, they lead to violence. calling
[00:31:40] people Hitler leads to violence.
[00:31:43] Wow. Well, since that's his description
[00:31:47] in his terms, consider this clip about a
[00:31:50] month later. I would ask
[00:31:53] some of these people who say, "Look, I
[00:31:56] I'm going to stand by Tucker." You know,
[00:31:57] he's just inquisitive. He likes to have
[00:31:59] these people on and ask them questions.
[00:32:01] Really?
[00:32:04] But I'm not going to platform them. No.
[00:32:08] So Tucker is a racist. Is that okay?
[00:32:12] First of all, how many of you have
[00:32:13] friends who are racists? Isn't that a
[00:32:15] fair question, Mr. Producer? How many of
[00:32:18] you have friends who are racists
[00:32:21] and are proud of it and talk about it on
[00:32:23] a national platform? This is what I get
[00:32:26] now. Will you debate him? Will you
[00:32:28] debate Tucker Carlson? I don't debate
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[00:33:50] to address this because you never want
[00:33:52] to make anything about yourself. It's
[00:33:54] another way in which you can very easily
[00:33:56] become Mark Leven and start talking
[00:33:57] about yourself all the time. Your
[00:33:59] family, your people. No, if you're
[00:34:02] interested in improving the country, you
[00:34:03] should be talking about all people in
[00:34:04] the country. It's not just about you or
[00:34:06] your people, whoever they are. It should
[00:34:08] be about everybody. That's the
[00:34:09] universalist spirit without which this
[00:34:11] country can't continue, just to be
[00:34:13] clear. It'll break apart, of course,
[00:34:15] into waring groups.
[00:34:18] But the basis of racism and
[00:34:22] anti-semitism and all forms of bias that
[00:34:25] we abhore, forms of bias that treat
[00:34:28] people as members of groups rather than
[00:34:29] individuals, all emanate from the same
[00:34:31] idea, which is you're born a certain way
[00:34:33] and you can't be fixed. You have blood
[00:34:35] guilt. And that's why it's bad to call
[00:34:38] people Nazis. And here is Mark Levin
[00:34:40] calling people Nazis. Well, in this
[00:34:42] case, me. So what is that? Well, that's
[00:34:43] of course a call to violence. And it's
[00:34:44] not just me. We compiled a list of all
[00:34:47] [laughter] of some of the people on
[00:34:49] Twitter Mark Levin has referred to this
[00:34:51] is these are all recent Nazi Nazi Nazi
[00:34:55] bastard. F off Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi.
[00:35:00] Finally, somebody somebody writes in on
[00:35:03] Twitter and says, and we're quoting,
[00:35:04] "This is Mark Leven's 12th post today
[00:35:06] that's related to Israel or its critics.
[00:35:09] I know he's Jewish and sympathy for
[00:35:11] Israel is understandable, but this now
[00:35:13] borders on obsession." To which Mark
[00:35:15] Levin responds, "Nazi,
[00:35:18] [laughter] Nazi,
[00:35:21] you should pause before you call people
[00:35:23] names like that." And I I should just
[00:35:25] say because righteousness is a goal.
[00:35:27] Self-righteousness is a sin. I don't
[00:35:29] want to be self-righteous. I've
[00:35:30] certainly called people things they
[00:35:31] didn't deserve. I've leveled ad
[00:35:33] hominemum attacks on people. I did
[00:35:35] against Liz Cheney. I apologize for it.
[00:35:36] I meant it. But we shouldn't let
[00:35:38] ourselves go in this area. We should
[00:35:41] force ourselves to treat other people
[00:35:43] like human beings with sincere
[00:35:46] disagreements or insincere
[00:35:47] disagreements, but still agreements that
[00:35:50] we can debate because once you start
[00:35:52] calling people Nazis, we really have no
[00:35:54] choice but to start shooting them
[00:35:56] to be Dietrich Bonhaofer and sort of
[00:35:58] reach the end of reason or even
[00:36:00] Christianity. Bonhaofer decided
[00:36:02] Christianity is not even He's a Lutheran
[00:36:04] pastor. Christianity is not enough. We
[00:36:06] have to kill the guy. Not judging
[00:36:08] Bonhaofer who was a great man in some
[00:36:10] ways but
[00:36:12] that's inevitable once we decide that
[00:36:14] people are Nazis.
[00:36:17] So
[00:36:19] you kind of
[00:36:22] have to wonder why they're doing this.
[00:36:24] And of course it's because when you call
[00:36:26] someone a Nazi and maybe in Mark Leven's
[00:36:28] case he believes it. You immediately
[00:36:32] freeze them in the headlights of your
[00:36:33] slur. Nazi Nazi. You deter people from
[00:36:37] arguing with you because no one wants to
[00:36:39] be called a Nazi, but you also for the
[00:36:41] bystanders who aren't even directly part
[00:36:42] of the debate, you draw their attention
[00:36:46] away from what the debate is actually
[00:36:48] about. In other words, for every moment
[00:36:51] that we're arguing about who is and who
[00:36:54] is not a Nazi, answer really nobody. The
[00:36:56] Nazis have been gone for 80 years.
[00:36:57] Sorry. But for every moment where
[00:36:59] they're having that debate, we're not
[00:37:01] debating the things we ought to be
[00:37:03] debating. In this case, should we use
[00:37:06] military force on behalf of a small
[00:37:07] country, a totally irrelevant country?
[00:37:11] That's a fair debate. We're not having
[00:37:12] that debate. We're screaming about who
[00:37:14] is not is a Nazi, who's not a Nazi.
[00:37:18] So, I guess the thing that we can learn
[00:37:19] from Mark Leavvin in this case is if you
[00:37:24] have a position, argue that position.
[00:37:27] Levin doesn't want to argue his
[00:37:28] position. It's very hard to defend, so
[00:37:30] he won't defend it. He'll just attack.
[00:37:32] But the rest of us who have a sincere
[00:37:34] position about America's relationship
[00:37:36] with Israel and the damage it has done
[00:37:39] to the Trump coalition, which it's like
[00:37:42] we're watching it be destroyed un very
[00:37:44] unfortunately.
[00:37:45] Those people should argue what they
[00:37:48] believe and not get caught in this trap
[00:37:51] of identity politics. Who's a Nazi was a
[00:37:54] right to speak? Buzz off. No.
[00:37:58] Apac is a foreign lobby. It should
[00:37:59] register as one.
[00:38:02] Our country should come first in the
[00:38:03] thinking of every person who represents
[00:38:05] our country. Those are the debates that
[00:38:06] we ought to be having. So the next
[00:38:08] lesson we should learn from this country
[00:38:12] is that you can't allow other people to
[00:38:16] define your priorities.
[00:38:20] You are an adult. You are an American.
[00:38:22] You have the right to decide what
[00:38:24] matters to you.
[00:38:26] If you're having trouble paying your
[00:38:28] health insurance or if you think divorce
[00:38:31] laws are unfair in this country or if
[00:38:34] you think chemtrails are a problem, if
[00:38:37] you don't like fluoride in the water, if
[00:38:39] you think there should be a cap on
[00:38:41] credit card interest, whatever the issue
[00:38:44] that matters to you, first and foremost,
[00:38:48] you have a right to feel that way. No
[00:38:51] one should be allowed to talk you into
[00:38:54] adopting their enemies as your own.
[00:38:57] There are a ton of people in Washington
[00:38:59] who think the single most dangerous
[00:39:00] person in the world, most evil person
[00:39:02] who's ever lived is Vladimir Putin. Some
[00:39:03] of them really think that. A lot of them
[00:39:05] are getting rich by saying it. But a lot
[00:39:06] of them do believe it because I know
[00:39:08] them. I know they feel that way. It's
[00:39:10] sincere. But as a percentage of the
[00:39:12] country, what percentage of the country
[00:39:14] actually puts killing Putin at the top
[00:39:17] of its priority list? Like less than 1%.
[00:39:19] It's just not a problem for most
[00:39:21] Americans who runs Russia.
[00:39:24] But it's a huge problem in Washington.
[00:39:26] So Washington for a couple of years
[00:39:27] there succeeded in convincing the rest
[00:39:30] of us to either adopt their priority.
[00:39:32] Putin is the most important thing. We
[00:39:34] have to stop Putin or shut up about it
[00:39:36] because if you don't, you're an agent of
[00:39:38] Putin. Basically bullied the country
[00:39:41] into accepting their list of priorities.
[00:39:44] And the election of Trump was really a
[00:39:47] reputation of that. It was tens of
[00:39:49] millions of voters saying, "No,
[00:39:51] actually, we our problems need a
[00:39:53] hearing. Someone needs to care about our
[00:39:54] problems. It's not just about you and
[00:39:56] your little parochial squabble." They're
[00:39:59] telling us now that Iran is the biggest
[00:40:00] problem we've ever had.
[00:40:02] And if you question that, like, how many
[00:40:04] Americans have been killed on American
[00:40:06] soil by Iran as compared to the number,
[00:40:08] I don't know, killed by Mexico,
[00:40:10] which brings all our fentanyl in, not
[00:40:13] Venezuela, Mexico.
[00:40:16] you get attacked as an agent of the
[00:40:17] mullers.
[00:40:19] And the way to think about this is who
[00:40:21] cares? Your priorities are every bit as
[00:40:25] important as Mark Leavven's because you
[00:40:29] are a co-equal with Mark Leavvin because
[00:40:30] you're also an American citizen. He gets
[00:40:32] one vote, you get one vote. That's our
[00:40:34] system. So Mark Leavin could scream at
[00:40:36] you all he wants and tell you you must
[00:40:37] really care about affecting regime
[00:40:39] change in Iran. It is absolutely okay.
[00:40:41] In fact, it's your duty to say to Mark
[00:40:42] Levin, I don't really care. I can't
[00:40:45] afford my health insurance. Our leaders
[00:40:47] should solve that problem. And you'll be
[00:40:49] joined in that by like 150 million other
[00:40:51] Americans who agree with you who can't
[00:40:53] find Iran on a map. They're not pro
[00:40:55] Iran. They're not Shiite Muslims,
[00:40:59] but they have real problems and they
[00:41:00] want a hearing for those problems. They
[00:41:01] want someone to else to care about those
[00:41:03] problems. That's okay.
[00:41:06] And it's interesting because people like
[00:41:08] Levin and Ben Shapiro who at one point
[00:41:10] had this like media empire propped up by
[00:41:12] Facebook. Uh the Daily Wire with some
[00:41:15] good people on it, you know, it's fine.
[00:41:16] It's fine. But Ben Shapiro spent, I
[00:41:20] don't know, a decade posing as someone
[00:41:22] who actually cared about your concerns
[00:41:24] as an American. He did it imperfectly.
[00:41:25] There were flashes that he didn't really
[00:41:26] care. And he's like, "No, no, I'm a
[00:41:29] conservative. I'm a conservative. I'm
[00:41:30] not just interested in the fortunes of
[00:41:32] one tiny country in the Middle East with
[00:41:35] a population 9 million. No, I have a lot
[00:41:36] of interest. I really care about this
[00:41:38] country and I'm against the trans
[00:41:39] movement or whatever.
[00:41:41] But increasingly, as everyone's gotten
[00:41:43] more hysterical and prone to sort of
[00:41:44] blurting out the truth,
[00:41:47] that veil has dropped and you can see
[00:41:49] what Ben Shapiro really cares about. So
[00:41:51] this is an a very revealing exchange
[00:41:54] that took place 6 days ago last Thursday
[00:41:58] on stage with Megan Kelly. Ben Shapiro
[00:42:00] was just sitting there being interviewed
[00:42:02] by Megan Kelly and
[00:42:04] said something he said something like
[00:42:06] well Tucker Carlson's you know for
[00:42:08] Maduro
[00:42:09] Maduro the communist leader of Venezuela
[00:42:12] who I guess were on the way to killing
[00:42:14] or something forcing out regime changing
[00:42:17] him and he defended Maduro didn't
[00:42:22] actually uh and Megan Kelly says well
[00:42:25] Tucker said in his show that Maduro most
[00:42:29] people didn't know this. Whatever his
[00:42:30] many faults, I wouldn't hire him as an
[00:42:32] economist, okay? But whatever his many
[00:42:35] faults has the most socially
[00:42:36] conservative country probably in the
[00:42:37] hemisphere. So Venezuela, it's just a
[00:42:39] fact. I mean, I didn't make this up. I'm
[00:42:41] not in charge of Venezuela. Just
[00:42:42] noticing that Venezuela has banned
[00:42:46] pornography,
[00:42:48] banned abortion, banned gay marriage,
[00:42:50] banned sex changes, and banned usery.
[00:42:54] You don't have credit cards with 40%
[00:42:56] interest in Venezuela.
[00:42:59] Okay,
[00:43:02] Ben Shapiro responded this way.
[00:43:05] >> Tucker's made the point, I'm not going
[00:43:06] to here to be Tucker's defender, but
[00:43:08] he's made the point that Maduro is
[00:43:09] culturally conservative.
[00:43:10] >> Who gives a The guy's a communist
[00:43:13] dictator. Everyone in his country is
[00:43:15] eating dog.
[00:43:17] He's shipping fentinel to the United
[00:43:19] States to kill Americans. Why don't we
[00:43:20] give a whether he's whether he's
[00:43:22] anti-LGBTQ rights?
[00:43:27] Who gives a I do. I do. I'm not
[00:43:32] moving to Venezuela. Not pro Maduro.
[00:43:36] But I care about that. Why wouldn't I
[00:43:37] care about that? I've got kids. I first
[00:43:39] of all, I'm against abortion. I sorry,
[00:43:42] unpopular. I feel that way. I think it's
[00:43:45] really sad. I would personally become
[00:43:47] poorer to end abortion. Voluntarily
[00:43:49] become poor to end abortion in the
[00:43:50] United States. That's not a choice.
[00:43:52] Don't want to become poor, but I would
[00:43:54] because I care about it. Maybe you
[00:43:55] don't. Maybe you're offended that I do,
[00:43:56] but I care about it. Lots of people care
[00:43:58] about it.
[00:43:59] I don't think pornography is good. That
[00:44:02] really hurts people.
[00:44:04] You know, I I don't think pretending
[00:44:06] that the sexes are the same is good. And
[00:44:09] you claimed that you didn't think it was
[00:44:10] good, but it turns out, quote, "I don't
[00:44:11] give a Maduro's against Israel."
[00:44:16] Oh, okay. I don't give a Well, you
[00:44:19] spent like a decade pretending you did
[00:44:20] give a that you were on the side of
[00:44:22] like normal Americans who have a mix of
[00:44:24] concerns. They definitely care about
[00:44:25] economics and they care about social
[00:44:27] issues too because they have children
[00:44:28] and they see where this is going. It's
[00:44:29] not good that your economic condition is
[00:44:32] not the only measure of health. Your
[00:44:34] spiritual condition matters too. It's
[00:44:35] just a fact. It does. If you're totally
[00:44:38] degraded,
[00:44:39] doesn't matter how much money you have.
[00:44:41] It's not worth it. It's not worth
[00:44:42] getting the whole world and losing your
[00:44:44] soul. Sorry. And most people feel that
[00:44:46] way. But not not Ben Shapiro. He doesn't
[00:44:48] give a So why the hostility?
[00:44:52] Well, maybe because if you keep talking
[00:44:53] about the so-called social issues, which
[00:44:55] are not limited to abortion and
[00:44:56] pornography and gay marriage, the trans
[00:44:59] issue,
[00:45:01] they get pretty quickly to economics, to
[00:45:03] usery, to lending money and interest.
[00:45:07] And most people, including me, are not
[00:45:08] against lending money in interest
[00:45:10] conceptually,
[00:45:12] but it depends on what interest rate
[00:45:14] it's being loaned at.
[00:45:17] So, there are payday loans in this
[00:45:18] country that are 600% annually,
[00:45:23] 600% interest annually.
[00:45:26] And who's taking payday loans in this?
[00:45:28] Poor people are. And they're never
[00:45:30] getting out of it. They're car loans.
[00:45:32] They're credit card loans.
[00:45:35] There's private credit. Used to call it
[00:45:37] loan sharking at exorbitant rates. Rates
[00:45:40] so high
[00:45:42] that people will never get out from
[00:45:43] under them. They're enslaved by it. It's
[00:45:44] called debt slavery. It's 100% real.
[00:45:47] That's not an ideological point. It's
[00:45:48] just an obvious observation.
[00:45:50] And it was one of the observations that
[00:45:52] Charlie Kirk was making on a daily basis
[00:45:54] before he was assassinated, which is
[00:45:55] interesting.
[00:45:57] And it's that kids are buying food on
[00:46:01] credit. Buy now pay later. That's
[00:46:03] credit. You're paying interest on that.
[00:46:05] Whether they call it that or not, late
[00:46:07] fees. People are loaning you money at a
[00:46:10] much higher interest rate than say rich
[00:46:12] people are borrowing money.
[00:46:15] And that's bad because it's really hard
[00:46:17] to get out of it. And if you're
[00:46:19] wondering why the average American home
[00:46:21] buyer, American board home buyer is
[00:46:23] almost 40 years old
[00:46:25] when the year I graduated from college
[00:46:27] it was 28. How did that happen? People
[00:46:29] are in too much debt. This is the
[00:46:32] probably if it had to isolate it in a
[00:46:34] world with a lot of issues, a lot of
[00:46:35] pressing issues, debt for young people
[00:46:37] is probably the number one issue, which
[00:46:40] is to say it's the number one thing that
[00:46:42] is destroying them and making it
[00:46:44] impossible for them to get married and
[00:46:46] have children, which Ben Shapiro told us
[00:46:48] he cared about.
[00:46:50] And that's the conversation that they
[00:46:52] absolutely don't want to have. So if you
[00:46:55] say, "Well, Maduro, whatever his many
[00:46:57] faults, probably stole the election.
[00:46:59] Looks that way to me.
[00:47:01] I don't know, but it looks that way.
[00:47:02] People say he's bad. I'm okay. I believe
[00:47:04] you. He's bad.
[00:47:06] But he doesn't have that. And that's a
[00:47:08] good thing. And Ben's like, I DON'T GIVE
[00:47:10] A SHUT UP. HE'S A COMMUNIST.
[00:47:13] It makes you wonder how we're defining
[00:47:15] communist here. Because of course in the
[00:47:17] United States, communist no longer means
[00:47:19] someone who believes Marx and Engles.
[00:47:22] It has nothing to do with academic
[00:47:23] theory. That's all gone. Communist in
[00:47:26] the United States is a synonym for
[00:47:27] someone who seeks to rot a society from
[00:47:29] within and destroy it.
[00:47:32] And I guess I would argue that if you
[00:47:34] don't give a about pornography or
[00:47:38] 63 million abortions in the United
[00:47:40] States and since Roie Wade or whatever,
[00:47:43] and if you don't care about 600% annual
[00:47:47] interest rates on payday loans being
[00:47:48] given to the poor,
[00:47:51] who's the communist exactly who's trying
[00:47:53] to rot this country from the inside? Who
[00:47:55] doesn't care about the destruction of
[00:47:58] human beings in our country?
[00:48:01] It's not me. You're a communist.
[00:48:05] So, I thought a lot about this. I didn't
[00:48:06] want, you know, you never want to
[00:48:07] extrapolate too much from a single clip.
[00:48:09] You don't want to be cruel to people.
[00:48:10] You don't want to be unfair. Having been
[00:48:11] unfair many times, it weighs on me.
[00:48:13] Don't want to do that.
[00:48:16] So, kind of looked around. Is this
[00:48:18] consistent with Ben Shapiro's worldview?
[00:48:22] Does he think GDP, the aggregate
[00:48:24] economic activity in a country, the
[00:48:26] bottom line number, which really doesn't
[00:48:28] tell you that much? But for simple
[00:48:31] people like Ben who aren't sophisticated
[00:48:34] in their understanding of economics,
[00:48:35] that's important. GDP, GDP, GDP.
[00:48:39] Never hinting at the things that it
[00:48:41] doesn't measure. Never hinting at what a
[00:48:42] distorted number that is, just like the
[00:48:44] inflation rate or the employment rate. I
[00:48:46] mean, these are not really real numbers.
[00:48:50] But is he really a guy who cares about
[00:48:52] GDP or economic activity or some people
[00:48:55] getting rich more than he cares about
[00:48:58] the lives of his fellow Americans? Boy,
[00:48:59] that's a pretty heavy charge. You'd hate
[00:49:00] to level that against anyone. You'd hate
[00:49:02] to claim that about anyone. Could this
[00:49:04] be a guy who really only cares
[00:49:08] about a foreign country? So, we went
[00:49:11] looking. So, first and famously, don't
[00:49:13] even put on the screen because I'm sure
[00:49:14] you've seen this, there was Ben Shapiro
[00:49:16] saying, you know, I'd be willing to vote
[00:49:20] for BB Netanyahu for president of the
[00:49:21] United States if only it were
[00:49:22] constitutionally allowed.
[00:49:25] Huh? You want some foreigner to run our
[00:49:27] country?
[00:49:29] Who even thinks like that? He said that.
[00:49:32] Maybe it was just he was getting carried
[00:49:34] away. He just loves BB so much. loves
[00:49:37] the guy who is killing tens of thousands
[00:49:40] of children in Gaza so much that he
[00:49:42] wants him to run our country. Okay. But
[00:49:45] then we found a couple of other clips
[00:49:47] which are recent that give a window not
[00:49:49] just and hate to be mean to poor Ben
[00:49:50] Shapiro who's clearly going away as a
[00:49:54] media force.
[00:49:56] I hate to be mean to him but this does
[00:49:58] reflect the worldview of an awful lot of
[00:50:01] people in Washington and a lot of people
[00:50:03] in Ben Shapiro's world. And that
[00:50:05] worldview is the people of this country
[00:50:08] don't really matter. They can be
[00:50:09] replaced. By the way, if you complain
[00:50:11] about the fact they're being replaced,
[00:50:13] which they are at high speed, it's
[00:50:14] measurable. Then you're a Nazi and you
[00:50:17] must shut up and be punished.
[00:50:20] But those people don't really matter.
[00:50:23] They should do what they're told and
[00:50:25] ultimately they should just serve the
[00:50:27] people for profiting from all of this.
[00:50:29] Does he really think that? Well, here
[00:50:31] are a couple of clips that you can watch
[00:50:32] carefully and answer the question for
[00:50:34] yourself. Here's Ben Shapiro.
[00:50:35] >> We have trained an entire generation of
[00:50:37] people to believe that if their lives
[00:50:39] are not what they want them to be, it's
[00:50:40] the fault of systems as opposed to
[00:50:42] decisions that are in their own control.
[00:50:44] And politicians absolutely have a stake
[00:50:46] in selling that. A lot of people in our
[00:50:48] industry have a stake in in selling
[00:50:49] that. It makes people feel good about
[00:50:51] themselves and bad about the world. And
[00:50:52] the reality is if you want a better
[00:50:54] life, you should feel better about the
[00:50:55] world and worse about yourself. If you
[00:50:56] are a young person and you can't afford
[00:50:57] to live here, then maybe you should not
[00:50:59] live here. I mean, that is a real thing.
[00:51:02] Okay? I know that we we've now grown up
[00:51:03] in a society that says that you deserve
[00:51:05] to live where you grew up, but the
[00:51:07] reality is that the history of America
[00:51:08] is almost literally the opposite of
[00:51:10] that.
[00:51:11] >> It's hard to know where to start with
[00:51:12] that clip. I think that's been on the
[00:51:13] internet and people are experiencing gut
[00:51:16] level revulsion when they see it and
[00:51:17] they really should. And there's so many
[00:51:19] ways to approach that. There's so many
[00:51:20] things wrong with those statements. So
[00:51:22] childish, those statements, so lacking
[00:51:24] an understanding of people or any
[00:51:26] connection really to the country at all.
[00:51:30] But really, what you see underneath all
[00:51:32] of that is contempt for the people who
[00:51:34] live here. You have no right to live in
[00:51:37] the town where you were born just
[00:51:39] because your parents are buried there,
[00:51:40] your ancestors built the town. Who do
[00:51:42] you think you are?
[00:51:45] Imagine feeling that way about someone
[00:51:47] in your own country.
[00:51:49] Imagine having that level of contempt
[00:51:53] for a fellow American. You don't even
[00:51:55] know anything about the person. Young
[00:51:56] people, THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO LIVE
[00:51:58] WHERE THEY WANT. THEY'LL LIVE WHERE
[00:52:00] BLACK ROCKCK TELLS THEM THEY CAN LIVE.
[00:52:03] It's like, whoa. If you had a thought
[00:52:06] like that, I've had some ugly thoughts.
[00:52:07] I just admitted having some ugly
[00:52:08] thoughts. Boy, I would try and push it
[00:52:11] back and not express it. Ben says it
[00:52:12] without any embarrassment because he
[00:52:14] means it. That's exactly right. Because
[00:52:16] he means it.
[00:52:19] I don't think that you can win a popular
[00:52:23] debate with that attitude because
[00:52:27] irrespective of the content of your
[00:52:29] sentence, people can feel the loathing
[00:52:32] that the speaker has for them. Ben
[00:52:35] Shapiro just does not care about you at
[00:52:37] all. Is not even pretending to care
[00:52:39] about you. So again, it really doesn't
[00:52:42] matter what he's selling. that guy is
[00:52:44] not going to make the sale if people are
[00:52:46] free to buy whatever they want. It's
[00:52:49] like I don't know what that guy's
[00:52:50] selling, but he doesn't like me. I can
[00:52:52] feel it right away. He doesn't care at
[00:52:53] all about me at all. And he thinks so
[00:52:56] little of me, he's not even going to
[00:52:58] like put on the dog. He's not even going
[00:52:59] to like try to pretend to care about me.
[00:53:04] And a guy like that,
[00:53:07] he really needs censorship and bullying
[00:53:12] to succeed because the free market does
[00:53:14] not reward a man like that at all ever
[00:53:17] because people don't like it. Why would
[00:53:18] they like it?
[00:53:20] Here's another clip that makes basically
[00:53:22] the same point that is in some ways even
[00:53:24] more disgusting, maybe less well-known.
[00:53:26] Here's Ben Shapiro telling you that if
[00:53:29] you ever want to retire, stop working to
[00:53:32] pay off your 50 freaking year mortgage.
[00:53:35] You own the house really for 50 years.
[00:53:37] Okay. No, no, I'm renting it. I'll be 90
[00:53:40] by the time I pay it off. Which of
[00:53:41] course I won't cuz I got all kinds of
[00:53:42] other loans, too. So, if you complain
[00:53:44] about that, if you had these dreams of
[00:53:46] like working really hard and retiring,
[00:53:49] how dare you? How dare you? Here's Ben
[00:53:52] Shapiro. No one in the United States
[00:53:54] should be retiring at 65 years old.
[00:53:56] Frankly, I think retirement itself is a
[00:53:57] stupid idea unless you have some sort of
[00:53:59] health problem. It's totally insane that
[00:54:01] you believe that you should be able to
[00:54:02] work from the time that you are
[00:54:05] essentially 20 to the time that you are
[00:54:07] 65, which is a 45 year period, pay in
[00:54:10] and then you will receive social
[00:54:12] security benefits sufficient to support
[00:54:14] you and your family, you and your wife
[00:54:17] or whatever, for like another 20 years.
[00:54:20] That's crazy talk. Yeah, it's crazy
[00:54:22] talk. Like, HOW DARE YOU? HOW DARE YOU?
[00:54:27] NOW, the conventional response to this,
[00:54:29] I've heard people say it is, well, Ben
[00:54:30] Shapiro can say that because he's a
[00:54:32] podcaster. He's not climbing ladders for
[00:54:34] a living. And if you climb ladders for a
[00:54:35] living, you know, or do any kind of
[00:54:38] physical labor, even light physical
[00:54:39] labor, your body breaks down. It's just
[00:54:41] a fact. And if you around people who
[00:54:42] have done it, you know, by the time they
[00:54:44] get to 50, they're limping and they're
[00:54:46] in pain. That's why they're, you know,
[00:54:47] you go to these little towns around the
[00:54:49] country and most businesses are gone.
[00:54:51] There are no furniture stores or no toy
[00:54:53] stores. like they're all gone. They're
[00:54:55] all at Walmart.
[00:54:56] They're a husk. But what you do find
[00:55:00] next to the, you know, the the drug
[00:55:03] rehab places are chiropractors or a lot
[00:55:06] of chiropractors throughout the country.
[00:55:08] It's because poorer people,
[00:55:10] working-class people, blueco collar
[00:55:11] people are aching. They have trouble
[00:55:14] walking. Their backs hurt. So retirement
[00:55:17] for a man who climbs ladders is a little
[00:55:19] bit different from a man who hosts a
[00:55:21] podcast.
[00:55:23] But that's not even the point that I
[00:55:24] would make. That's true. Of course, it's
[00:55:26] pure contempt for people who work with
[00:55:28] their bodies and he should be judged for
[00:55:32] that. But I think it's deeper than that.
[00:55:34] It's like, how dare you tell me when I
[00:55:36] should retire? Who are you exactly?
[00:55:40] What who gave you the moral authority to
[00:55:42] judge when I retire? That's insane.
[00:55:46] You're like a child who's got some deal
[00:55:47] with Facebook to I mean, or whatever.
[00:55:49] Whoever you are, you are not God.
[00:55:54] You have no right to talk to me like
[00:55:56] that, but you do because you have no
[00:55:59] respect for me. You have no love for me
[00:56:01] at all. And it does kind of point to the
[00:56:05] core problem. Not with Ben Shapiro, who
[00:56:07] will not be a factor in America in 5
[00:56:09] years. I can promise you that. Or Mark
[00:56:11] Levin. Let's hope he gets better. No, it
[00:56:14] points to the problem with their
[00:56:15] leaders. They don't like the people they
[00:56:17] lead. That's it right there. They have
[00:56:19] no love for the people they lead. And
[00:56:22] all leadership is based on the
[00:56:24] patriarchal model. The father is a good
[00:56:27] father because he loves his children. He
[00:56:30] may make mistakes, but ultimately he
[00:56:31] comes back to true north because he
[00:56:33] loves them. That's what keeps him
[00:56:36] honest. His sincere love for his
[00:56:38] children. That is the model for all
[00:56:39] leadership. That's the model for
[00:56:41] leadership in the military, in a
[00:56:43] company.
[00:56:44] That's the model for rhetorical
[00:56:46] leadership. You want people to follow
[00:56:48] you. You want to sell your ideas to
[00:56:49] them. want to convince them of what
[00:56:50] you're saying is true. Show some love
[00:56:53] for them. Demonstrate that you love that
[00:56:55] you care about them. Why are we doing
[00:56:56] this? Because we think it's better for
[00:56:58] you.
[00:57:00] Shapiro and all of these guys.
[00:57:03] They don't make an effort to do that
[00:57:04] because they don't feel that way at all.
[00:57:08] Shut up, cattle. You're a Nazi. Give us
[00:57:11] the money for our preferred little
[00:57:12] country
[00:57:14] or else we're going to denounce you,
[00:57:18] man. Those
[00:57:20] attitudes are incompatible
[00:57:23] with leadership and in fact with
[00:57:26] democracy itself.
[00:57:28] You can't have a country of 350 million
[00:57:32] people governed by boutique
[00:57:36] goals and concerns. I really care so
[00:57:38] much about this thing and you better
[00:57:41] care about it too or else I'm going to
[00:57:43] attack you and deplatform you.
[00:57:46] It doesn't work. It's illegitimate
[00:57:49] actually. And if you keep it up, you're
[00:57:52] flirting with, you know, real backlash,
[00:57:54] like a real one. Not Nick Fuentes, like
[00:57:56] a real one. So cool it. Listen to other
[00:57:59] people. Don't treat them like cattle.
[00:58:00] Treat them like human beings.
[00:58:03] And finally, the last lesson to learn
[00:58:04] from all of this
[00:58:06] is that there is no Amalcch. Amalecch.
[00:58:11] Deuteronomy. It describes a tribe that
[00:58:14] is beyond redemption and must be killed.
[00:58:17] Period. Because they have blood guilt.
[00:58:21] Their DNA, as Mark Levin explained on
[00:58:25] Twitter, makes them evil. And they must
[00:58:28] be destroyed. Every one of them. Not
[00:58:30] just the fighting age men, but their
[00:58:31] wives and their kids and their parents.
[00:58:34] All must be killed because we're not
[00:58:36] just killing a foreign army. We're
[00:58:37] killing a strain of genetics.
[00:58:40] Because that's where the sin comes from,
[00:58:42] their genetics. We do not acknowledge
[00:58:45] that. We cannot allow that attitude.
[00:58:47] That will wind up like Rwanda right
[00:58:50] away, like quickly in our lifetimes. We
[00:58:52] will see mass killing if we don't get
[00:58:54] that attitude under control. It's the
[00:58:55] attitude that animated the Nazis. It's
[00:58:57] the attitude that really is behind all
[00:59:00] mass slaughter in history. And we can't
[00:59:02] have it in the West. Period. So once you
[00:59:05] accept that, then you also have to
[00:59:08] acknowledge that there are no permanent
[00:59:10] enemies. That we disagree with people.
[00:59:14] We may violently disagree, passionately
[00:59:16] disagree. I hate what you're saying, but
[00:59:18] we all, and this is a Christian
[00:59:20] imperative as well, but also it's like a
[00:59:22] prerequisite for continuing to exist.
[00:59:26] You have to acknowledge and say out loud
[00:59:29] that if people change or if you change,
[00:59:31] cuz we all do change and when we're
[00:59:33] under pressure, we change much more
[00:59:34] quickly. All of us are changing right
[00:59:35] now. It's imperceptible to usually, but
[00:59:38] keep a daily diary and look at it 5
[00:59:40] years from now. You're a different
[00:59:41] person. you change and so do all the
[00:59:43] people around you. And because that is
[00:59:46] true,
[00:59:48] some people will change for the worse,
[00:59:49] some people will change for the better.
[00:59:51] We cannot have permanent enemies.
[00:59:55] Period. It's immoral to imagine that
[00:59:58] someone must always be your enemy, that
[01:00:01] he's an Amalachite or whatever.
[01:00:06] That is immoral.
[01:00:09] And it's also, by the way, cutting
[01:00:11] yourself off from one of life's greatest
[01:00:12] joys, which is finding common humanity
[01:00:15] with another person and deciding, wait a
[01:00:17] second, you know, I really dislike this
[01:00:19] person. But all of a sudden, I'm seeing
[01:00:21] this person as a person whose concerns
[01:00:23] are not exactly the same as mine, but
[01:00:24] close enough. And actually, this person
[01:00:26] is saying something really interesting,
[01:00:27] and I'm learning, and I'm changing, and
[01:00:29] I'm becoming much more aware of who this
[01:00:33] person is, and I and I really like it.
[01:00:34] In other words, there's no greater joy
[01:00:37] than the joy of reconciliation. And
[01:00:38] that's the story of the prodigal son.
[01:00:41] Yeah, he did all kinds of indefensible
[01:00:43] stuff. Yeah, he wasted dad's money.
[01:00:44] Yeah, he acts like a total
[01:00:45] Okay, but he's back and we're going to
[01:00:47] celebrate it.
[01:00:49] That's the greatest, most profound joy
[01:00:51] that there is. Being reunited to another
[01:00:53] person, discovering that actually I
[01:00:55] really like you. I thought I didn't, but
[01:00:57] now I do because there are no permanent
[01:00:59] enemies. We have to have that attitude.
[01:01:02] And it's with that in mind that I
[01:01:04] announce with sincere pleasure that I
[01:01:08] really like and respect Ana Kasperian.
[01:01:10] And not because both of us have total
[01:01:12] contempt for the lunatic running Israel
[01:01:15] right now, BB Netanyahu,
[01:01:17] but because I sincerely think that Ana
[01:01:20] Casperian,
[01:01:21] well, she disagrees with me, I'm sure,
[01:01:22] on a million issues, is motivated by a
[01:01:25] desire to figure out what is best for
[01:01:27] the country that we live in. It's not
[01:01:29] about Israel at all. Sorry, Mark Levan.
[01:01:33] It's about us. And I think Anna
[01:01:35] Casperian really cares about the United
[01:01:38] States.
[01:01:40] And so with that in mind, I'm just very
[01:01:43] happy to introduce her now. Anna, thanks
[01:01:44] so much for coming on.
[01:01:46] >> Thank you for having me, Tucker. I
[01:01:48] appreciate it.
[01:01:48] >> I'm worried about where this is going.
[01:01:50] I'm worried about all the Nazi talk. Not
[01:01:51] just because it's directed at me and
[01:01:54] you, but because once you start talking
[01:01:56] like that, it's kind of hard to walk it
[01:01:58] back. And it's kind of hard to
[01:02:00] disapprove of violence when the people
[01:02:05] you're calling Hitler get killed. Like,
[01:02:06] how could you be sad when Hitler dies?
[01:02:09] So, how do we where are we going? And
[01:02:11] how do we stop the introduction of like
[01:02:15] Nazi Hitler, fascist into our
[01:02:17] conversation? We we need to pull back on
[01:02:19] that, I think.
[01:02:21] >> Well, I obviously you're right about
[01:02:23] that. There's no question. And I think
[01:02:25] what you're also correct about is the
[01:02:27] fact that these words are specifically
[01:02:30] being used in a way to intimidate people
[01:02:33] and persuade them to avoid speaking out
[01:02:36] against what they find to be a huge
[01:02:39] problem in our country's priorities
[01:02:42] right now. And what I would like to say
[01:02:44] to anyone who's been smeared as an
[01:02:47] anti-semite when they don't have any
[01:02:48] hatred in their hearts at all for the
[01:02:50] Jewish people is don't let them win when
[01:02:54] they do that to you because you know in
[01:02:56] your heart you're not an anti-semite.
[01:02:58] You know in your heart that you're not a
[01:03:00] Nazi. The people closest to you in your
[01:03:01] life know that. And so you as an
[01:03:04] American have every right in the world
[01:03:06] to be critical of the fact that
[01:03:09] regardless of which presidential
[01:03:11] administration we're talking about, our
[01:03:13] priorities are messed up and there isn't
[01:03:16] enough focus on all the various aspects
[01:03:18] of American society that are completely
[01:03:20] falling apart right now as we speak. You
[01:03:22] know, there's been political violence in
[01:03:24] this country. I'm going to put my cards
[01:03:27] on the table and say, you know, I've
[01:03:29] been guilty of using inflammatory
[01:03:30] rhetoric certainly. Uh, but I think what
[01:03:33] you're saying here is important,
[01:03:35] especially as it pertains to how
[01:03:37] Americans communicate with one another
[01:03:40] about these incredibly controversial
[01:03:43] issues. I get that people get
[01:03:44] passionate, but you have to understand
[01:03:47] the motivations of the person who's
[01:03:48] trying to smear you. Number one. Number
[01:03:50] two, if you are met with this type of
[01:03:54] rhetoric from a fellow American, you're
[01:03:56] so right. Do not become what you claim
[01:04:00] to hate. Don't become hateful yourself.
[01:04:03] I allowed that to happen to me to some
[01:04:05] extent during Trump's first term. I have
[01:04:08] a lot of remorse about that because I
[01:04:10] think there are a lot of really great
[01:04:11] people in this country. They voted for
[01:04:12] Trump. Turns out I don't care. Doesn't
[01:04:14] matter who they voted for. It doesn't
[01:04:16] say anything about who they are as
[01:04:18] people. And more importantly, they're my
[01:04:20] fellow Americans who have participated
[01:04:22] in what makes this country great, which
[01:04:24] is our ability to voice our support and
[01:04:28] cast our ballot for who we feel is best
[01:04:31] to represent us. So, I just think
[01:04:33] there's something kind of interesting
[01:04:35] happening in the country right now that
[01:04:37] gives me a little bit of optimism, gives
[01:04:39] me a little bit of hope. People are
[01:04:41] starting to see beyond
[01:04:44] partisanship and instead kind of
[01:04:46] understand. Okay, wait a minute. We're
[01:04:49] all Americans. It feels like a lot of
[01:04:52] the framing around partisan divides is
[01:04:56] completely manufactured and in fact is
[01:04:59] utilized by members of the media to
[01:05:01] divide us and to distract us from the
[01:05:03] fact that our government is not focused
[01:05:06] on taking care of us. And so I just
[01:05:10] really want to drive that point home.
[01:05:12] Don't fall for the gross rhetoric. Don't
[01:05:17] partake in it and try to see the
[01:05:18] humanity in everyone before you allow
[01:05:21] yourself to devolve into the very thing
[01:05:23] that you hate. Now, I will say it's
[01:05:26] really hard for me to practice that when
[01:05:27] it comes to [laughter] members of the
[01:05:29] IDF
[01:05:30] >> and Netanyahu in particular,
[01:05:33] >> but I think your message uh is the
[01:05:35] correct message.
[01:05:36] >> So, I saw this I've been brooding about
[01:05:38] this for the last couple of days because
[01:05:39] I am worried that the violence will
[01:05:40] accelerate and I it and I've been in
[01:05:43] countries where this happens. it gets to
[01:05:44] a certain point and you know your cousin
[01:05:46] gets killed and at that point you just
[01:05:48] you can't think clearly and you just you
[01:05:50] know you get swept up in it. That is a
[01:05:52] very familiar cycle to anyone who's seen
[01:05:53] it. So the only way to stop that is by
[01:05:56] controlling our own behavior and by
[01:05:58] being honest about it. And as I was
[01:05:59] thinking about this I saw that you
[01:06:01] apologized to someone um publicly for
[01:06:04] something that you had said about him
[01:06:05] and I just oh it was weird that we were
[01:06:07] having the same thoughts at the same
[01:06:08] time but can you explain that?
[01:06:12] >> Sure. Uh so about five years ago, Erin
[01:06:16] Mate, who is a journalist and um is
[01:06:19] actually doing a lot of really great
[01:06:21] work, especially in his coverage of
[01:06:22] what's happening in Gaza,
[01:06:25] had reported some things that I
[01:06:28] disagreed with in regard to what was
[01:06:29] happening in Syria. Right? So, uh, I he
[01:06:32] didn't deny that Bashar al-Assad had in
[01:06:35] some instances used chemical weapons,
[01:06:36] but there was one particular instance
[01:06:38] that he was denying and I disagreed with
[01:06:40] him on that. Who's right, who's wrong,
[01:06:43] that doesn't even matter at this point.
[01:06:45] I don't even know why I allowed that one
[01:06:46] minor disagreement to
[01:06:49] basically whip me up into this crazy
[01:06:51] frenzy and [laughter] this
[01:06:53] >> been there, baby.
[01:06:54] >> Right. where all of a sudden I'm like,
[01:06:57] "No, no, no. Aaron Mate definitely he's
[01:06:59] getting funded by the Russians.
[01:07:00] Definitely [laughter] getting funded by
[01:07:01] the Russians." And so on TYT one day,
[01:07:05] Jen and I were discussing Syria and I
[01:07:07] just blurted that out
[01:07:10] and you know, I was in a different
[01:07:12] headsp space at that time. I'd like to
[01:07:14] think that I've matured a little bit
[01:07:15] since then and um I just kept doubling
[01:07:19] down. I wouldn't apologize. Uh there
[01:07:21] were some
[01:07:23] circumstantial things that I would point
[01:07:25] to, but really nothing solid to prove
[01:07:27] that Aaron Mate is funded by the
[01:07:29] Russians. And so over the last year in
[01:07:33] particular, I just kept seeing his his
[01:07:36] posts on X. I actually was on a panel
[01:07:39] with him on Pierce Morgan's show and he
[01:07:40] and I were very much uh on the same page
[01:07:43] in regard to the topic we were
[01:07:44] discussing. And every single time he
[01:07:47] would come up in my mind, I've just felt
[01:07:49] really bad about myself because I
[01:07:51] smeared him and I never apologized and
[01:07:54] that's not okay. And so I came across
[01:07:56] another one of his posts today that I
[01:07:58] liked on X. And I was like, you know
[01:08:00] what? Now is the time. It's been 5
[01:08:02] years. It's embarrassing that it's been
[01:08:03] 5 years. Now is the time for me to
[01:08:06] practice what I preach, to lead by
[01:08:08] example and apologize to him
[01:08:10] unequivocally.
[01:08:12] And um he was I was met with grace. uh
[01:08:15] he was very very kind and he accepted my
[01:08:17] apology and I'm very grateful for that.
[01:08:19] But I there's another point I want to
[01:08:21] just quickly make about this. If you are
[01:08:24] in the media, understand like we are all
[01:08:27] flawed and you're right, Tucker, we all
[01:08:29] do change. Some for the better, some for
[01:08:31] the worst. It is okay to admit when
[01:08:34] you're wrong. It is okay to apologize.
[01:08:36] It doesn't make you, I don't know, a a
[01:08:40] less credible person if you admit you
[01:08:42] were wrong. And so just something to
[01:08:44] keep in mind if you happen to be in the
[01:08:45] media and you've made a mistake or
[01:08:47] you've accidentally smeared someone or
[01:08:49] you intentionally smeared someone and
[01:08:50] then realized it was wrong, just
[01:08:52] apologize and move on.
[01:08:54] >> I just think it's such a that's such a
[01:08:55] beautiful story that you just told and
[01:08:57] really at the heart of everything I care
[01:08:59] about and I
[01:09:01] I'm wondering why do you think you're
[01:09:02] cons, you know, because we talk for a
[01:09:04] living. You've talked for a living for
[01:09:06] 20 years, something like that. um that's
[01:09:08] every day, always talking on camera, but
[01:09:11] this followed you for five years. I just
[01:09:13] think it's so interesting that it kept
[01:09:14] coming back to you. Why do you think
[01:09:17] that is? And how did you feel after you
[01:09:19] said that in public today?
[01:09:23] >> At first, I felt scared after I said
[01:09:24] that in public because, you know,
[01:09:26] sometimes you're met with people who
[01:09:28] even though they're not the ones who got
[01:09:30] smeared, uh they're not the ones
[01:09:31] receiving the apology, they won't accept
[01:09:34] it and they just keep doubling down on
[01:09:36] how you're a terrible person. And that's
[01:09:37] fine. That's fair. Uh but to my
[01:09:40] surprise, a lot of people were really
[01:09:42] happy to see that
[01:09:44] >> because it's so rare these days,
[01:09:46] especially on social media.
[01:09:48] >> And look, especially over the last, I
[01:09:52] would say three, three and a half years.
[01:09:54] I've just personally realized something,
[01:09:57] which was okay, what is my identity?
[01:10:01] Like, am I just Armenian? Right? And I
[01:10:05] look, I love my Armenian heritage.
[01:10:07] Absolutely love it. But I was born and
[01:10:09] raised in America and I love this
[01:10:12] country. And if you do love this
[01:10:14] country, engaging in divisive garbage
[01:10:18] that just tears this country apart, that
[01:10:21] makes Americans turn on one another is
[01:10:24] really not the way to go. And so I just
[01:10:27] made a decision at some point that I'm
[01:10:29] not going to engage in that. And the
[01:10:32] only time that I will allow myself a
[01:10:35] little more freedom in my rhetoric is
[01:10:37] when I'm referring to a foreign country
[01:10:39] that is harming us. Okay. Yes. So, uh,
[01:10:43] in the case of the United States, in the
[01:10:45] case of my fellow Americans, in the case
[01:10:46] of people I disagree with politically,
[01:10:49] let's have that conversation. It's okay
[01:10:51] if it gets fiery. I'm known to get very
[01:10:54] passionate. But I hope that the message
[01:10:56] I'm sending is that again I see the
[01:11:00] humanity in the person I'm disagreeing
[01:11:02] with first and foremost and that once
[01:11:04] the debate is over there's no engaging
[01:11:08] in the dehumanizing
[01:11:10] disgusting rhetoric that Mark Levin
[01:11:14] honestly has been spewing for many many
[01:11:17] years and now it's being directed toward
[01:11:19] you because you had the audacity to
[01:11:22] criticize the foreign country that he
[01:11:24] seems to care far more about than our
[01:11:26] own. That's the way I see it. And I knew
[01:11:28] this was going to happen, Tucker. I They
[01:11:30] were waiting for
[01:11:32] something to pin on you outside of your
[01:11:36] evidence-based critique of what's
[01:11:39] happening in this USIsrael alliance. And
[01:11:43] in fact, I had a conversation about this
[01:11:44] with someone close to me. So someone
[01:11:46] told me, "Look, everything that you've
[01:11:48] been saying about what's happening in
[01:11:49] Gaza and what Israel's been up to is
[01:11:52] backed up by evidence, right? So they
[01:11:54] can't really come after you for that.
[01:11:56] But what they will do is find you in a
[01:11:59] moment of weakness where you make a
[01:12:01] mistake and they'll destroy you. So be
[01:12:03] careful because they're watching."
[01:12:05] >> That's correct.
[01:12:06] >> Well, that that moment never happened or
[01:12:08] hasn't happened yet. But what I have
[01:12:10] noticed is they can just take you out of
[01:12:12] context, which has happened. And as a
[01:12:14] result, I was met with violence in my
[01:12:16] own neighborhood by someone who is
[01:12:18] absolutely convinced that I'm a Jew
[01:12:19] hater, which of course I'm not. So
[01:12:22] that's the kind of situation we're
[01:12:24] dealing with right now. And it's scary,
[01:12:27] but the only thing you can do is really
[01:12:30] control your own behavior. You can't
[01:12:31] control the behavior of others. And I'm
[01:12:33] hoping that if we lead by example, we
[01:12:36] can get this country to a better place.
[01:12:38] So what? Let me just say they I've been
[01:12:42] denounced as America's most dangerous
[01:12:43] anti-semite.
[01:12:45] No one ever provides a single
[01:12:47] >> that's crazy
[01:12:48] >> example of me being anti-semitic because
[01:12:49] I'm not. And if I was, I guess I'd
[01:12:51] probably just say so. I just say my
[01:12:53] views as plainly as I can. And I abhore
[01:12:55] anti-semitism. I've always thought that.
[01:12:57] I've always said that. So there's no I
[01:12:59] mean it's a lie. But I'm interested. I'm
[01:13:01] not afraid at all. However, I understand
[01:13:04] that this is an incitement to violence.
[01:13:06] It clearly is.
[01:13:07] It's intentional. They approve of
[01:13:09] violence. They love what's happening in
[01:13:11] Gaza. I don't need more evidence. They
[01:13:12] love violence. They don't consider their
[01:13:14] opponents fully human. So, tell me what
[01:13:17] happened. You said that these slanders
[01:13:20] provoked violence against you.
[01:13:23] >> Yes. Yes. So, there are these weird,
[01:13:27] dark, shadowy organizations. Um, we
[01:13:30] don't know how they're funded. Some of
[01:13:32] them we don't even know who are be who's
[01:13:34] behind them. But uh you know, one of
[01:13:36] them is Canary Mission. There's another
[01:13:38] uh group called Stop Anti-Semitism. I
[01:13:41] think there's more information about
[01:13:42] who's behind that group. And then
[01:13:44] there's another group called Jews in
[01:13:46] School. And so
[01:13:49] these groups realized that they can't
[01:13:52] get me fired from my job, right?
[01:13:53] Jenkuger is not going to fire me because
[01:13:55] of my critique of Israel. So they
[01:13:58] instead decided to start attacking my
[01:14:02] husband and they are trying to get him
[01:14:04] fired from his job even though he's I
[01:14:07] mean this is like the most a-olitical
[01:14:09] guy. When I met him I'm like oh are you
[01:14:11] into news and politics? He's like no.
[01:14:12] I'm like what are you into sports? That
[01:14:15] that was it. I'm like you're perfect for
[01:14:17] me.
[01:14:18] >> Good husband. I agree. [laughter] That's
[01:14:19] good.
[01:14:20] >> Right. And um I mean they've been
[01:14:23] relentless in taking me out of context.
[01:14:25] And sure enough, one morning as I was
[01:14:27] walking my dog, a woman who I've
[01:14:29] actually seen in the neighborhood
[01:14:30] before, we had never spoken to each
[01:14:32] other, but you know, we've passed by one
[01:14:34] another without incident. She's standing
[01:14:37] in the middle of the sidewalk just kind
[01:14:39] of blocking it and her dog is going nuts
[01:14:42] and she's looking at me with this weird
[01:14:44] menacing look on her face. And you know,
[01:14:47] I'm just I'm really not thinking much of
[01:14:49] it. I'm thinking, oh, that face is
[01:14:51] probably because of the fact that her
[01:14:52] dog is losing its mind. She's probably
[01:14:54] trying to train the dog. No big deal. I
[01:14:56] literally try to get around her cuz
[01:14:58] she's blocking the sidewalk. And I walk
[01:15:00] into the street and as I'm doing that,
[01:15:02] she starts approaching me with her dog.
[01:15:05] Like basically sicking her dog at me and
[01:15:08] my dog, which is like a little 20 lb dog
[01:15:10] mine is. And at that point, I take my
[01:15:13] headphones out. I'm listening to music.
[01:15:15] I'm like, "Hey, what what are you
[01:15:17] doing?" And she's like, "You're a Jew
[01:15:19] hater." Uh,
[01:15:21] >> I'm like, "Oh my gosh, she's actually
[01:15:23] trying to hurt me with her dog." And at
[01:15:24] that point, I tried to reason with her
[01:15:26] at first. I'm like, "No, no, there's a
[01:15:28] misunderstanding." And she's like
[01:15:30] screaming at the top of her lungs. And
[01:15:32] to be honest with you, at at that point,
[01:15:35] I was just like,
[01:15:37] "Okay, I'm critical of a foreign country
[01:15:41] that is currently killing tens of
[01:15:43] thousands of children. So, let me ask
[01:15:46] you, how many children need to be
[01:15:47] slaughtered for you to be satisfied?
[01:15:50] And at that point, like her dog's still
[01:15:52] going nuts and I realize, "Okay, it's
[01:15:54] stupid for me to keep standing here. I'm
[01:15:56] going to get my dog to safety." And as
[01:15:58] I'm walking away from her, she utters,
[01:16:02] "Good luck to your husband dealing with
[01:16:04] you." And I was like, "My husband loves
[01:16:07] me." And her response to that is,
[01:16:09] "That's why we're trying to get him
[01:16:11] fired." Which told me that she's
[01:16:13] basically part of an organized group
[01:16:15] that's trying to destroy my life because
[01:16:17] I'm critical of Israel.
[01:16:18] >> Yeah. And so I am smart enough to
[01:16:22] understand that it is stupid to conflate
[01:16:26] people like this with the entire Jewish
[01:16:29] population. I will never let these
[01:16:31] people win and turn me into an
[01:16:33] anti-semite. Ever. Ever. Ever.
[01:16:35] >> Amen.
[01:16:35] >> My absolute best friend from high school
[01:16:38] um she's my sister. I love her. She's
[01:16:40] Jewish. I go to Passover Seder with her.
[01:16:43] And it's just it's ridiculous to just go
[01:16:45] around smearing people. But here's what
[01:16:46] I will say. This type of behavior
[01:16:50] is exactly what leads to anti-semitism.
[01:16:54] Yes. Because if people feel like they're
[01:16:55] being targeted like this, if people feel
[01:16:57] like there's a group of people that's
[01:16:59] trying to destroy their lives, their
[01:17:00] livelihoods, uh make sure that they end
[01:17:03] up out on the streets with nothing. I
[01:17:05] mean, what do you think that inspire
[01:17:06] inspires in people's hearts? Anger,
[01:17:09] rage, hatred.
[01:17:12] You know, Barry Weiss uh just
[01:17:13] interviewed Senator John Federman and
[01:17:16] asked like, "Oh, what, you know, why do
[01:17:18] you think there's this rise in
[01:17:19] anti-semitism? It's the social media
[01:17:22] platforms. You know, it's the
[01:17:23] algorithms. How could they do this?" No,
[01:17:25] Barry, we keep seeing children
[01:17:27] slaughtered. And guess what? Americans
[01:17:29] don't like that. How about stop
[01:17:31] slaughtering the children and this issue
[01:17:33] that you're, you know, fired up about
[01:17:35] might actually calm down a little bit.
[01:17:38] But they just don't get it because they
[01:17:39] think that Israel is entitled to doing
[01:17:42] what it's doing. And I disagree.
[01:17:45] >> Yeah. And I I don't think that I should
[01:17:47] be required to pay for it or denounced
[01:17:49] as a Nazi. But it's interesting um and
[01:17:52] very distressing to me since I spent my
[01:17:54] whole life on the right, whatever that
[01:17:55] is. I'm beginning to ask what is that
[01:17:57] exactly? But I thought that one of the
[01:18:00] pillars of non-liberal thought, one of
[01:18:02] the main reasons Trump got elected last
[01:18:05] November was because we on the right are
[01:18:09] opposed to censorship. And I I sincerely
[01:18:11] am on the deepest level. Like I would
[01:18:12] never submit to that under any
[01:18:14] circumstances because I think it it's
[01:18:16] the thing that separates the free from
[01:18:17] the enslaved. If you're free, you can't
[01:18:20] tell me what to think or say. Period.
[01:18:23] And of course, it's the most American of
[01:18:25] all values. So I thought that that was a
[01:18:28] sacraanked
[01:18:30] principle and that it would never be
[01:18:32] violated by anyone and we can disagree
[01:18:33] but like you could never try to prevent
[01:18:35] me from saying it. And I wake up and I
[01:18:38] maybe I just missed this. I I didn't
[01:18:40] know this. All of a sudden, everybody I
[01:18:43] know, Barry Weiss and that creepy guy
[01:18:46] from the Babylon B and you know, all
[01:18:49] these people, it turns out like they
[01:18:51] spend all day thinking about how to
[01:18:54] prevent other people from talking and
[01:18:56] working to prevent other people from
[01:18:57] talking. Barry Weiss is at the top of
[01:18:59] that list. Here's a media executive, the
[01:19:02] head of CBS News, whose real interest is
[01:19:05] imposing censorship on the country on
[01:19:07] behalf of another country. I just I I
[01:19:09] don't Does that shock you? Or maybe I'm
[01:19:11] just too naive. I did not see that
[01:19:12] coming at all.
[01:19:15] >> Yeah, you're a little bit naive. So I I
[01:19:17] did [laughter] see it coming.
[01:19:18] >> I think I am. I agree
[01:19:20] >> because the truth is, you know, there
[01:19:22] are very few people who are sincere in
[01:19:25] wanting to protect free speech because
[01:19:27] as soon as there is speech that um
[01:19:32] offends their sensibilities, all of a
[01:19:34] sudden they're not in favor of
[01:19:36] protecting free speech. Uh so
[01:19:40] protecting speech matters the most when
[01:19:42] you are hearing speech you dislike
[01:19:45] >> because you have to think about how
[01:19:48] wanting to censor people who are engaged
[01:19:50] in rhetoric you don't like is definitely
[01:19:52] going to come back around to you. And uh
[01:19:55] you know as someone who has been on the
[01:19:58] left for most of my adult life, right? I
[01:20:00] remember thinking to myself,
[01:20:03] for all the people on the left who are
[01:20:04] like hellbent on engaging in censorship,
[01:20:07] do you guys understand history? Do you
[01:20:09] know how this is going to work out for
[01:20:11] you if you keep engaging like this? And
[01:20:13] so I just
[01:20:15] I just think that what's particularly
[01:20:18] gross about what's happening in this
[01:20:20] current moment is that the censorship
[01:20:24] has to do with speech that is critical
[01:20:27] of a foreign country.
[01:20:28] >> That's right.
[01:20:30] >> And that's unacceptable. Okay. It's
[01:20:31] unacceptable. We are able to be as
[01:20:34] critical as we want of our own
[01:20:36] government which should also be
[01:20:37] protected obviously. But the idea that I
[01:20:42] mean the other thing I want to just
[01:20:43] quickly say I know this is a little bit
[01:20:44] of a tangent but I have to get this out.
[01:20:48] Ahmed Ashar Shara uh playing basketball
[01:20:52] with members of our military in the
[01:20:54] United States White House on US soil.
[01:20:57] Okay. a so-called former al-Qaeda
[01:21:00] terrorist
[01:21:02] visiting New York City for the UN
[01:21:04] General Assembly is such an insult to
[01:21:07] the American people. Unacceptable. So,
[01:21:10] while you have the Mark Leven and people
[01:21:12] like him, constantly defaming people as
[01:21:16] jihadists, Islamists, terrorists, hey,
[01:21:19] you got any word about uh Alshara
[01:21:22] cozying up to the Trump administration?
[01:21:23] Are we okay with that?
[01:21:26] Oh, he doesn't like Hezbollah.
[01:21:28] Okay, so I guess he's our ally because
[01:21:30] he doesn't like Hezbollah.
[01:21:32] It's It's just disgusting how much our
[01:21:36] government again regardless of which
[01:21:38] administration we're talking about. I
[01:21:39] mean, the the Biden administration
[01:21:42] probably would have done the same thing
[01:21:43] to be honest with you, right? And and
[01:21:45] it's just sick to me that all of a
[01:21:48] sudden actual terrorism, the terrorism
[01:21:50] that took out thousands of our own
[01:21:53] people and ended up dragging us into
[01:21:56] lengthy wars in the Middle East that
[01:21:58] killed more of our soldiers and tons of
[01:22:00] innocent civilians. By the way, that's
[01:22:02] okay. We we're just going to forget
[01:22:03] about that. We're going to wipe the
[01:22:04] slate clean because this al-Qaeda
[01:22:07] terrorist doesn't like Hezbollah and is
[01:22:09] good for Israel. It's insane. It's
[01:22:11] absolutely insane.
[01:22:12] >> Well, the irony I really want to get
[01:22:13] that out. The irony. No, and I'm so glad
[01:22:15] you said that. I mean, it raises a lot
[01:22:17] of questions about 9/11. By the way, I
[01:22:19] was told that al-Qaeda did 9/11 and
[01:22:21] killed 3,000 Americans, and I spent 20
[01:22:24] years adjusting my life accordingly and
[01:22:26] covering all this nonsense around the
[01:22:28] world and really believing that. So, if
[01:22:30] that's true, how how do we have an
[01:22:32] al-Qaeda leader playing basketball with
[01:22:34] American servicemen?
[01:22:36] A B I was also told that um you know,
[01:22:41] the Arab countries are the problem,
[01:22:42] right? So I happened to be in an Arab
[01:22:44] country with, you know, well-connected
[01:22:47] people in that country, people run that
[01:22:48] country the day that Assad landed in
[01:22:51] Moscow and this character took over
[01:22:53] Syria. And I just happened to be there.
[01:22:55] So I I asked like, "Who is this guy?"
[01:22:57] And they were I mean, their instinct
[01:22:59] was, "This is bad. This guy's like a
[01:23:01] jihadi. He's a radical." They hate the
[01:23:03] jihadis, by the way, the leaders of
[01:23:05] prosperous Arab countries, probably of
[01:23:06] all Arab countries, because they're a
[01:23:07] threat to them. So they really don't
[01:23:09] like is Islamist. I'm sorry, Mark
[01:23:11] Levvin, who I I don't think has ever
[01:23:12] traveled outside our borders, but that's
[01:23:14] just a fact. And they were very wary of
[01:23:17] this guy, extremely wary of him and
[01:23:19] bothered by the whole thing. And they
[01:23:20] understood that it was Turkey and Israel
[01:23:22] that did this, of course, and for their
[01:23:24] own ends, but they didn't like this guy.
[01:23:27] They thought he was too dirty. And then
[01:23:28] so to see him now celebrated
[01:23:31] at the White House, it's like, okay, so
[01:23:34] let's talk about 9/11 again,
[01:23:37] you know, like what was what was that?
[01:23:40] Did did that ra evoke those questions in
[01:23:42] your mind?
[01:23:44] >> I mean, absolutely.
[01:23:47] I'm But you know, Tucker, I'm the bad
[01:23:49] guy because I acknowledged FBI files
[01:23:53] that detailed the so-called dancing
[01:23:55] Israelis. Okay, I'm the bad guy. But
[01:23:59] having
[01:23:59] >> Wait, why is that bad? Why is that bad
[01:24:01] to have if you have if you arrest
[01:24:03] foreigners on your soil for celebrating
[01:24:05] the biggest terror attack in your
[01:24:07] history? Why? Why are you the criminal
[01:24:10] for just pointing that out?
[01:24:12] >> Well, well, because they were Israelis,
[01:24:14] of course.
[01:24:15] >> Oh, okay.
[01:24:16] >> It's that simple. It's that simple. If
[01:24:19] they were I mean, let's let's just be
[01:24:21] honest here. if the individuals who were
[01:24:25] arrested that day weren't Israeli and
[01:24:28] were instead, let's say, le Lebanese
[01:24:32] >> or Syrian or anything else. Um, it
[01:24:36] wouldn't be controversial to talk about
[01:24:37] that. In fact, you would be uh
[01:24:39] encouraged to talk about that.
[01:24:41] >> And so, it's just it's just the whole
[01:24:44] thing is sick because I was in high
[01:24:46] school when 911 happened. So, I remember
[01:24:49] what America was like prior to 911. 911
[01:24:52] crushed this country.
[01:24:54] >> Yes,
[01:24:54] >> 911 convinced Americans to give some of
[01:24:58] their civil liberties away to our
[01:25:00] foreign to our uh federal government in
[01:25:02] the name of national security. 911
[01:25:05] encouraged the United States to go to
[01:25:08] the Middle East and engage in wars that
[01:25:10] we should not have engaged in,
[01:25:12] especially Iraq. And um it hasn't ended
[01:25:15] since then. I mean, 911 is what
[01:25:19] persuaded the American people that it
[01:25:21] was a good idea to go into debt in order
[01:25:25] to fight these wars. We had an economic
[01:25:28] surplus in the beginning of the Bush
[01:25:30] administration. We are now drowning in
[01:25:33] federal debt, $38 trillion. It's getting
[01:25:35] worse every single year.
[01:25:39] And um just to go back to what you said
[01:25:40] about Ben Shapiro, he and I were
[01:25:42] debating on a CNN panel where the topic
[01:25:45] of social security came up again and he
[01:25:48] just kept talking about how social
[01:25:49] security is bankrupting this country.
[01:25:52] [snorts] when I challenged him by
[01:25:54] mentioning the trillions of dollars the
[01:25:57] United States has spent on yes
[01:25:59] supporting Israel uh through, you know,
[01:26:02] military aid, but also other things like
[01:26:05] bribing Egypt to play nice with Israel
[01:26:07] and the trillions of dollars that we
[01:26:08] have fought in wars on behalf of Israel.
[01:26:13] You don't think that that's uh crushing
[01:26:14] our economy a little bit? You don't
[01:26:16] think that's contributed to our debt far
[01:26:18] more than our social security system,
[01:26:20] which I will admit, uh, yeah, there is a
[01:26:23] funding issue there, but Americans have
[01:26:24] paid into that system. Americans are
[01:26:27] entitled to that system, right?
[01:26:29] >> Okay. They weren't handed that money.
[01:26:32] That money is the result of their hard
[01:26:33] work and their contributions to that
[01:26:35] program. Uh, what has Israel contributed
[01:26:38] to the United States? And why are they
[01:26:40] entitled to us literally taking out
[01:26:44] loans like going into debt just to hand
[01:26:47] them more money? It's insane. $30
[01:26:49] billion since October 7th has been
[01:26:53] funneled from the United States to
[01:26:54] Israel for them to carry out what I
[01:26:56] believe are atrocities in Gaza, in the
[01:27:00] West Bank, in Lebanon, in Syria, in
[01:27:03] Yemen. I mean, the list goes on and on
[01:27:05] and on. name a country they haven't
[01:27:08] bombed.
[01:27:09] So, I just think that it's important to
[01:27:12] have these conversations and I
[01:27:13] understand that people like Mark Levvin
[01:27:15] will get very irritated by it, will get
[01:27:17] very offended by it because, well, uh,
[01:27:20] he can't respond to it effectively or
[01:27:22] substantively. You can't defend the
[01:27:24] indefensible. The only thing you can try
[01:27:26] to do is shut people up. But some people
[01:27:28] can't be silenced. I'm one of them.
[01:27:31] You're another one of them. and uh they
[01:27:34] can go ahead and smear us all they want
[01:27:36] but you know when it comes to the
[01:27:39] marketplace of ideas
[01:27:41] I think Americans have spoken in regard
[01:27:43] to who they agree with the most on this
[01:27:45] matter and it's because they have felt
[01:27:47] the economic ramifications of the US
[01:27:50] alliance with Israel
[01:27:53] >> I don't see how um this particular set
[01:27:59] of beliefs wins any election so if only
[01:28:03] care about serving a foreign power, an
[01:28:05] irrelevant foreign power. You're not
[01:28:06] getting anything in return for it, and
[01:28:09] you don't care at all about the
[01:28:10] condition of your own country. I just
[01:28:13] don't see a a market for that. I mean, I
[01:28:15] disagree with it, of course. I'm
[01:28:16] repulsed by it, of course, but as a sort
[01:28:19] of matter of democratic principle, I
[01:28:20] don't see how you get to 51% in an
[01:28:23] election with that. I just don't think
[01:28:24] that has a future at all. I think most
[01:28:26] people look at that and like, no.
[01:28:28] So why wouldn't there be some
[01:28:31] convergence from either side, all sides?
[01:28:35] Why wouldn't you have like a true let's
[01:28:38] just argue about what to do to help
[01:28:40] America party? Like isn't that
[01:28:42] inevitable?
[01:28:44] >> I feel like that's in some regard
[01:28:46] forming already. Um
[01:28:49] you know, the the two-party system I
[01:28:52] don't think bodess well for the American
[01:28:54] uh populace. Like I think what actually
[01:28:56] makes a lot more sense is maybe don't
[01:28:59] fully disregard labels if that's
[01:29:01] something that you're into, you want to
[01:29:03] think about labels,
[01:29:04] >> but consider that there are areas of
[01:29:07] agreement, actually vast areas of
[01:29:09] agreement
[01:29:09] >> between the two sides, especially as it
[01:29:11] pertains to foreign policy, especially
[01:29:14] at this current moment. So, uh, the idea
[01:29:17] that I wouldn't be willing to align
[01:29:21] myself with someone on the right who I
[01:29:23] might have a ton of other disagreements
[01:29:25] with, but we have the agreement on, hey,
[01:29:28] we need to find a way to organize and
[01:29:31] and get our federal government to
[01:29:33] prioritize us. I'm going to work with
[01:29:35] people who agree with me on that. I
[01:29:37] don't care where they land on the
[01:29:38] political spectrum, you know,
[01:29:40] >> and if they're willing to admit fault in
[01:29:43] public in a sincere way, anyone who will
[01:29:45] do that is an ally of mine. Whether they
[01:29:48] regard me as an ally is another
[01:29:49] question, but I regard anyone willing to
[01:29:51] do that as an ally. Both for moral
[01:29:52] reasons, it's my religion, but also be
[01:29:55] for practical reasons. The only reason
[01:29:57] that we bombed ineffectively bombed the
[01:30:00] nuclear sites in Iran is because no one
[01:30:02] ever acknowledged that Iraq was a
[01:30:05] mistake. Libya was a mistake.
[01:30:06] Afghanistan, the 20-year occupation was
[01:30:08] a mistake. Having nothing to do with how
[01:30:10] we withdrew, we shouldn't have been
[01:30:11] there for 20 years. It was all a
[01:30:13] mistake. And nobody ever admitted it,
[01:30:16] much less took responsibility, much less
[01:30:18] accepted punishment or sanction for it.
[01:30:20] And if you don't do that, it doesn't get
[01:30:23] better. It just gets worse.
[01:30:26] Well, what's amazing is how quickly
[01:30:29] people not only forget about all the
[01:30:32] lies that were told to the American
[01:30:33] people to manufacture consent to get us
[01:30:36] into that war, that preemptive war in
[01:30:38] Iraq, even people who remember
[01:30:42] for some reason allow themselves to be
[01:30:44] propagandized into believing that Iran
[01:30:47] is a real threat to America.
[01:30:50] >> Right? And um if Iran was really a
[01:30:53] threat to America, I don't think they
[01:30:55] would hit the US government up and let
[01:30:58] us know, hey, just to save face with our
[01:31:01] population since you attacked us and our
[01:31:03] nuclear sites, we're going to drop a few
[01:31:06] missiles in this area near a US air
[01:31:09] base, but we want you to evacuate all
[01:31:11] your soldiers because we [laughter]
[01:31:12] don't want anyone to get killed. Yeah.
[01:31:15] Real threat to the United States. Okay.
[01:31:18] In reality, Iran is a threat. Iran is a
[01:31:20] threat to uh Israel. There's no question
[01:31:22] about that. Yes. Because Iran is now the
[01:31:25] only country left uh that isn't willing
[01:31:29] to sit by and allow Israel to engage in
[01:31:33] an expansionist project that involves
[01:31:36] slaughter, land theft, and um really
[01:31:40] much of what we've been seeing over the
[01:31:42] last two years.
[01:31:44] You said a few minutes ago that you're
[01:31:45] proud to be Armenian,
[01:31:47] but that
[01:31:49] fundamentally you're American and that
[01:31:52] suggests to me that the idea of my group
[01:31:55] versus your group, zero sum identity
[01:31:58] politics,
[01:32:00] you're rejecting that in favor of some
[01:32:02] more universalist
[01:32:04] connection to other people. We're all
[01:32:06] kind of in this together.
[01:32:08] >> Yeah. In in favor of America and
[01:32:11] Americans. Absolutely. Because if you
[01:32:14] you know, my brother actually confronted
[01:32:16] me about this and I think he made a
[01:32:17] really good point and made me start
[01:32:19] thinking differently. You know, he kind
[01:32:21] of referred to America devolving into
[01:32:24] like a commuter country,
[01:32:26] >> right?
[01:32:26] >> Where people come here and they
[01:32:31] they don't see themselves as Americans.
[01:32:34] They're born here. They don't see
[01:32:35] themselves as Americans. They kind of
[01:32:36] see this as like the land of
[01:32:38] opportunity,
[01:32:40] but they think my identity is not an
[01:32:43] American. My identity is I'm white, I'm
[01:32:47] black, I'm Latino, I'm Armenian,
[01:32:49] whatever. And you kind of like segregate
[01:32:52] yourself into these like high
[01:32:53] school-like clicks where everyone else
[01:32:55] is your enemy, right? And it's
[01:32:57] >> Yeah.
[01:32:57] >> You can't be thinking about Americans
[01:33:00] that way. There has to be something that
[01:33:02] bonds us together, an identity that
[01:33:05] brings us together. And that identity is
[01:33:07] that we are Americans. We should want to
[01:33:10] see this country thrive.
[01:33:12] >> And I think a lot of people who do
[01:33:13] immigrate to this country want to see
[01:33:15] this country thrive. They love this
[01:33:17] country and they hate what has happened
[01:33:19] to their country, right? The freedoms
[01:33:20] that uh they were not afforded in their
[01:33:23] country of origin. But make no mistake
[01:33:25] about it. If you are here and you think,
[01:33:29] well, I'm just here to reap the benefits
[01:33:31] of what this country offers, but I don't
[01:33:34] really care about the Armen uh the
[01:33:35] American identity or experience.
[01:33:38] I I just then you don't get it. You just
[01:33:41] don't get it. I mean, I I don't know
[01:33:42] what else to say.
[01:33:43] >> One of the things that I disagree with
[01:33:45] Ben Shapiro most strongly on, and I just
[01:33:48] want to be clear, I don't hate Ben
[01:33:49] Shapiro at all. And we disagree
[01:33:52] obviously on the use of force on Israel
[01:33:55] strongly, but that doesn't make me
[01:33:58] emotional. Ben is looking at the world
[01:33:59] from a completely different perspective,
[01:34:00] which I reject, but I'm not mad about
[01:34:02] it. What makes me mad is the way that he
[01:34:05] describes the United States as like this
[01:34:07] economic zone totally divorced from the
[01:34:10] actual people who live there and their
[01:34:13] customs and their history and their
[01:34:14] instincts and their connections to each
[01:34:16] other and to regions to to physical
[01:34:18] reality. He has no regard for that at
[01:34:21] all in the way that big companies have
[01:34:23] no regard for that at all. Like shut up
[01:34:25] and freeze your eggs and get back to
[01:34:26] work. And I feel like that's
[01:34:29] dehumanizing doesn't quite describe that
[01:34:31] attitude. It it's an attitude that
[01:34:33] doesn't see people as human and in the
[01:34:37] service of what? Making money. I mean,
[01:34:38] it's everything about that I dislike. I
[01:34:41] feel like that's never challenged on the
[01:34:42] right. Increasingly, it's not challenged
[01:34:44] on the left either. or it used to be big
[01:34:46] time less and less but certainly on the
[01:34:48] right people anyone who challenges it is
[01:34:50] derided as a socialist I'm not quite
[01:34:52] sure what that means I don't think I'm a
[01:34:53] socialist never have been but I don't
[01:34:56] think that we should tell people that
[01:34:58] they have no right to live in the town
[01:35:00] where they were born like okay so who
[01:35:02] are we serving here what is the point of
[01:35:04] this exercise to maxim maximize profits
[01:35:07] to you like what I don't know like what
[01:35:09] is that
[01:35:11] >> well the first thing I thought of uh as
[01:35:13] I listened to Ben Shapiro make that
[01:35:15] argument was oh
[01:35:18] >> so I shouldn't have the ability to stay
[01:35:20] close to my family like think about yeah
[01:35:23] think about what ties you to the
[01:35:25] community you live in right the
[01:35:27] community you grew up in it's your
[01:35:29] family it's your friends it's your job a
[01:35:34] lot of people aren't able to work
[01:35:35] remotely and uh part of the reason why
[01:35:38] it's so expensive to live in you know
[01:35:40] some of these cities or the most
[01:35:42] expensive parts of this country is
[01:35:44] because whether we like it or not, a lot
[01:35:46] of the jobs are concentrated there. So,
[01:35:48] I would love nothing more than to live
[01:35:50] in a part of the country that isn't as
[01:35:53] overcrowded as LA is to be honest with
[01:35:55] you. Like, I want to be in nature. I
[01:35:57] want a little more of a rural
[01:35:58] experience, but I don't have that luxury
[01:36:00] because I do have to work and my job is
[01:36:03] located here in Los Angeles. Um, and any
[01:36:05] other media job I want, unless I work
[01:36:08] for myself, is going to be in a big city
[01:36:10] like New York. So,
[01:36:13] it's just this really interesting idea.
[01:36:17] Like, I don't think most Americans are
[01:36:18] walking around feeling entitled. Like,
[01:36:20] most Americans aren't thinking to
[01:36:22] themselves, "Hey, you know what? I'm a
[01:36:24] bum and I sit on the couch all day and I
[01:36:26] don't make any money, but I deserve to
[01:36:28] live in a multi-million dollar mansion
[01:36:30] paid for by the United States
[01:36:31] government." No. There are countless
[01:36:34] Americans in this country who work more
[01:36:37] than 40 hours a week and still can't
[01:36:40] make ends meet. something is broken in
[01:36:42] the system and uh putting the onus on
[01:36:45] Americans and making them out to be lazy
[01:36:47] bums is what offends me the most to be
[01:36:49] honest.
[01:36:49] >> Well, sure. When Ben Shapiro says
[01:36:51] blaming the system rather than blaming
[01:36:53] yourself, your own lack of creativity,
[01:36:55] initiative, intelligence, whatever your
[01:36:56] problem is, is immoral, and that is a
[01:37:00] kind of longtime refrain on the
[01:37:03] so-called right. And there are things
[01:37:04] about it that I agree with. I do think
[01:37:06] you should blame yourself first. I'm
[01:37:07] trying to force myself to be in the
[01:37:09] habit of that. I did something wrong.
[01:37:10] I'm going to admit it. I think that's
[01:37:11] really important for the sake of
[01:37:13] preserving your soul. And also, by the
[01:37:14] way, you get credibility when you're
[01:37:16] honest about yourself. It's easy to be
[01:37:17] honest about other people. You're fat,
[01:37:19] but it's hard to say, "I'm fat, right?"
[01:37:21] So, like, I agree with it on one level,
[01:37:25] but it's also just not true. Like, we
[01:37:29] are subject to forces that we can't
[01:37:31] control. It's just a fact. I didn't
[01:37:32] write the tax code, for example. I don't
[01:37:35] have any control over the hiring
[01:37:37] standards at various companies or the
[01:37:39] admission standards at various schools.
[01:37:42] Those are systemic problems. It's just
[01:37:44] it's just a fact. They are systems.
[01:37:47] Those are rules written by other people
[01:37:48] over which I have no control. So for Ben
[01:37:50] Shapiro to say it's outrageous. It's a
[01:37:54] conspiracy theory to blame the system
[01:37:56] does make me suspect maybe you're a
[01:37:57] beneficiary of a system that you can't
[01:37:59] actually defend and so you're attacking
[01:38:01] me for asking questions about that
[01:38:03] system. That's just my reaction to what
[01:38:04] he said.
[01:38:06] >> I mean that it comes across that way for
[01:38:08] sure. Obviously, I don't know what the
[01:38:10] motivations of Ben Shapiro really happen
[01:38:12] to be. What I do know is that when it
[01:38:14] comes to
[01:38:16] government handouts,
[01:38:19] he never really seems to have a problem
[01:38:20] with the government handouts that get
[01:38:22] sent abroad to other countries. You get
[01:38:25] what I'm saying? So, there's that. Uh
[01:38:28] but you know the the other thing is
[01:38:32] even if you're doing well, even if
[01:38:34] you're affluent,
[01:38:36] do you really want to live in a country
[01:38:37] where as soon as you walk outside your
[01:38:38] door there's a massive homeless
[01:38:40] encampment?
[01:38:41] >> Oh, I agree.
[01:38:43] >> You know, do you really want to live in
[01:38:44] a country like that? Cuz I don't. Uh, do
[01:38:46] you want to live in a country where
[01:38:47] close to a 100,000
[01:38:50] of your fellow Americans are dying of
[01:38:51] drug overdoses and our government seems
[01:38:54] to not really care much and in fact
[01:38:56] exploits that as a talking point to
[01:38:58] justify a potential war with Venezuela
[01:39:01] which has nothing to do with fentinel by
[01:39:03] the way.
[01:39:04] >> Sure. I know.
[01:39:05] >> So
[01:39:06] >> yeah and actually last question on this
[01:39:08] but I just want to clear it up. So, um,
[01:39:12] we played that tape of Ben, you know,
[01:39:14] attacking me because I really like
[01:39:17] Venezuela's anti-usery laws. Sorry, I
[01:39:20] do.
[01:39:21] >> Don't think you should charge 600%
[01:39:23] interest annually on a payday loan. I
[01:39:25] don't think that should be allowed.
[01:39:26] Period. So, I guess I'm a socialist.
[01:39:29] >> But I think it's predatory and cruel and
[01:39:31] um it's it's slavery. So, no. But in
[01:39:35] that litany, he said, you know, Maduro's
[01:39:39] bad. Okay, I'm sure you know he's a
[01:39:41] dictatorial seems to be and he's
[01:39:44] importing fentanel into the United
[01:39:45] States. Not meaningfully true, probably
[01:39:48] true in some, you know, but but he's not
[01:39:50] Venezuela is not the main source of fent
[01:39:52] in the United States. It's not even
[01:39:53] close. That's Mexico. So established
[01:39:55] like that's not true what he said.
[01:39:57] >> So what is the motive in regime changing
[01:40:00] Maduro and you know toppling the
[01:40:02] government of Venezuela? What is what is
[01:40:04] the motive there? Do you know?
[01:40:06] You know, it's
[01:40:08] I think there are multiple different
[01:40:10] motives um including the fact that uh
[01:40:13] former Senator Marco Rubio, current
[01:40:14] Secretary of State, um is a
[01:40:16] CubanAmerican, has had an axe to grind
[01:40:19] with Venezuela uh because of the fact
[01:40:21] that Venezuela is aligned with Cuba. And
[01:40:24] um look, your sick little personal pet
[01:40:27] project uh shouldn't be something that
[01:40:28] the United States is dragged into and is
[01:40:30] forced to fund. But the other thing I
[01:40:33] think um you know it's funny when the
[01:40:36] Venezuela story started developing I'm
[01:40:38] like oh yes finally like a foreign
[01:40:40] policy story where we don't have to talk
[01:40:41] about Israel but apparently according to
[01:40:44] Senator Lindsey Graham there's some
[01:40:46] weird connection with Hezbollah which I
[01:40:49] don't I is that true? I have no idea but
[01:40:53] I don't care. I don't care because like
[01:40:57] [laughter]
[01:40:59] >> are we gonna go to war with every
[01:41:00] country that allegedly supports a a
[01:41:04] militia or a group of people that are
[01:41:07] critical of or not in favor of or even
[01:41:10] at war with Israel. Like that's crazy.
[01:41:14] >> That does seem to be uh the criterion. I
[01:41:17] I heard Lindsey Graham say that and I
[01:41:19] was reminded that I just, you know, I'm
[01:41:22] against the 1983 barracks bombing in
[01:41:24] Beirut. Of course, it killed all those
[01:41:26] Marines. Apparently, that was Hezbollah.
[01:41:28] Um, I think it's a little more
[01:41:29] complicated than that is my very
[01:41:32] informed impression. However, I'm
[01:41:35] against that. They did it. I'm mad. But
[01:41:37] as a practical matter, that was 42 years
[01:41:39] ago. Um, Hezbollah does not play a
[01:41:42] meaningful role in the decline of the
[01:41:43] United States that I have noticed. So,
[01:41:45] like if you're really obsessed with
[01:41:46] Hamas, Hezbollah, and to the exclusion
[01:41:49] of the issues that actually affect our
[01:41:51] country, that tells me right there that
[01:41:53] you're not serving our country, right?
[01:41:55] >> Mhm. Yeah. I mean, yes. And also,
[01:41:59] >> listen, if you're worried about
[01:42:01] terrorist groups uh that could
[01:42:03] potentially harm Israel or have harmed
[01:42:05] Israel, take it up with Netanyahu, who
[01:42:07] propped up Hamas and facilitated Hamas's
[01:42:10] funding.
[01:42:11] I mean, I think that's uh something that
[01:42:13] should be considered and that's never
[01:42:16] talked about, that's never discussed.
[01:42:17] So, currently, Israel with the help of
[01:42:19] the United States is funding these uh
[01:42:22] terrorist militias within Gaza. Uh one
[01:42:26] of which, Abu Shabbab, by the way, uh is
[01:42:29] the leader of one of them. I think it's
[01:42:30] called the Popular Front. Uh he has ties
[01:42:33] to um other terrorist groups like ISIS.
[01:42:37] So why why are we cool with Israel
[01:42:40] providing arms to that group? That seems
[01:42:43] like basically setting things up for the
[01:42:46] future terrorist group that the United
[01:42:48] States will be goated into helping
[01:42:50] Israel fight. It's it's so obvious if
[01:42:53] you're paying attention. So look, to
[01:42:57] answer your question, if it's not
[01:42:58] harming US national security, I don't
[01:43:02] think we should be involved unless, you
[01:43:05] know, there might be some rare instances
[01:43:07] where it does make sense to get
[01:43:08] involved, right? Maybe there's some sort
[01:43:10] of alliance that we're part of and we
[01:43:12] want to protect our ally. Uh but I mean,
[01:43:16] bounds of reason obviously with Israel,
[01:43:18] there are no bounds of reason. There are
[01:43:20] no limits and Americans are just
[01:43:23] expected to shut up and take it. And
[01:43:25] some of us have decided, no, we're not
[01:43:27] going to shut up and take it. This is
[01:43:29] wrong. Our people are suffering and our
[01:43:32] priority our priority should be here at
[01:43:34] home. That was the winning message that
[01:43:37] Trump campaigned on.
[01:43:39] >> I know.
[01:43:40] >> So, put your money where your mouth is,
[01:43:42] please.
[01:43:42] >> Makes me sad to think about it. Anna
[01:43:44] Kasparian, clear thinker, a good person,
[01:43:46] as you prove today, I think. Um, and I
[01:43:49] really appreciate you spending all this
[01:43:50] time. Thank you very much.
[01:43:52] >> Thank you, Tucker.
[01:43:55] >> Thanks so much for joining us. We'll be
[01:43:56] back next Wednesday.
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