Charlie Kirk’s Best Debates of 2025 | Recap

[00:00:00] give me your perspective on DEI and [00:00:02] because based on what I heard earlier, I [00:00:04] feel like you don't think I belong here [00:00:07] because really [00:00:08] >> how I am a black man and because of the [00:00:13] I didn't I'm not qualified enough to be [00:00:15] here. Yes, I am. [00:00:16] >> Okay, great. Then you belong. [00:00:17] >> But why do I have to prove that to you? [00:00:20] >> You brought it up. I didn't. [00:00:21] >> Okay, but can you [00:00:23] >> can you explain to me your position on [00:00:24] DEI? [00:00:25] >> Yes. People should not be in positions [00:00:27] just because of the color of their skin. [00:00:28] Hard stop. Okay. But Okay. But do you [00:00:30] feel like I'm here because [00:00:32] >> I'm not I'm not feeling anything towards [00:00:34] you. Actually, I'm not prejudicing you. [00:00:35] I'm not stereotyping you. I'm saying [00:00:37] it's a material. [00:00:37] >> You're not saying you are. I'm not [00:00:38] saying you are. [00:00:39] >> No, you are. You said I don't feel [00:00:40] comfortable being here. You started with [00:00:42] >> I didn't say I wasn't comfortable being [00:00:43] here. I said I feel like you made it to [00:00:45] where I got here through DEI. [00:00:48] >> So, let's examine that. What have I said [00:00:50] that makes you feel that way? when you [00:00:52] mentioned how DEI is only just putting [00:00:55] people of color and marginalized groups [00:00:57] in spaces even if they're not so and so [00:01:00] >> correct that's exactly what DEI does [00:01:02] >> but that's not that's not all that it [00:01:04] does you're categorizing it as something [00:01:06] it isn't [00:01:07] >> no that's exact that is that is the [00:01:09] charter missions [00:01:10] >> that's not all [00:01:11] >> okay so diversity equity so equity is [00:01:13] outcome based is about making people who [00:01:15] are of different skin colors have the [00:01:18] same outcome regardless whether or not [00:01:20] they are qualified the Best example we [00:01:21] have of this is the Students for Fair [00:01:23] Admission Harvard Supreme Court case [00:01:25] where black students they did not [00:01:27] literally they could have a SAT score [00:01:30] 300 points lesser than the Asian [00:01:32] equivalent and still get into Harvard. [00:01:34] That is DEI in practice. I believe when [00:01:36] you're hiring for an organization or for [00:01:38] a company or for whatever you are doing, [00:01:40] you should prioritize merit and [00:01:42] character and race should mean nothing. [00:01:45] We should build around things that [00:01:46] matter and not things that don't matter. [00:01:49] [applause] [00:01:50] You have to also you have to also take [00:01:53] into the fact that black people have [00:01:54] only been able to completely and [00:01:56] completely legally be able to make [00:01:59] profit for themselves for around 60 [00:02:01] years. And this is no no since [00:02:05] segregation ended in 1965 and the um E [00:02:09] equal rights act in 1965. So what were [00:02:12] you tell there's not [00:02:15] >> how does that So let's talk about you. [00:02:17] How did that impact you? How did [00:02:18] something that happened 60 years ago [00:02:19] impact your life? [00:02:20] >> It impacts me all the time. What do you [00:02:23] Okay, [00:02:24] >> you're at Texas&M. You're doing great. [00:02:26] >> Okay. Yes, sure. Yeah. [00:02:28] >> So, aren't you a living example that all [00:02:29] that's a bunch of nonsense and you could [00:02:30] just act good and, you know, behave well [00:02:32] and [00:02:33] >> succeed. But there's but there's also [00:02:34] living examples of the exact opposite. [00:02:36] If you look in the impoverished [00:02:38] neighborhoods in certain parts of [00:02:39] Chicago or St. Louis, there's black [00:02:42] communities being thrown aside because [00:02:46] they're not getting education. [00:02:48] Okay. So, I think we can get somewhere. [00:02:50] Why have black the black community [00:02:53] gotten poorer [00:02:55] >> since the passage of the Civil Rights [00:02:56] Act? Tell me that. [00:02:59] >> Because of the way the culture has been [00:03:01] perpetuated through the years. [00:03:03] >> Think about it. So, they were richer [00:03:05] when we were segregated and more racist. [00:03:07] America's become less racist. [00:03:09] >> What about Tulsa? [00:03:11] >> Yeah. No one's going to defend what [00:03:12] happened in Tulsa again. But let's talk [00:03:15] >> We're talking about a lot of different [00:03:15] cities. We're talking about Chicago, [00:03:17] Tulsa. But let's let's again this is a [00:03:19] very important point. Do you think the [00:03:21] fact that 70% of black youth don't have [00:03:23] a data around is probably pretty [00:03:25] important? [00:03:25] >> That's because of the culture that I [00:03:27] >> So let respectfully allow me to [00:03:30] interject. How does the white culture [00:03:33] impact the fact whether or not a black [00:03:35] dad stays around when he impregnates a [00:03:37] woman? [00:03:37] >> I'm not saying it's the white culture. [00:03:38] I'm saying what is it? the culture that [00:03:40] has been perpetuated through the 200 [00:03:42] years of slavery, the hundred years of [00:03:43] segregation and Jim Crow laws, [00:03:45] >> the marriage. So, I got to interject [00:03:47] again. I'm sorry. I don't mean to [00:03:48] interrupt too much, but the the in 1960 [00:03:51] before the Civil Rights Act, 20% of [00:03:53] black youth had a dad around. Now, it's [00:03:57] I'm sorry. 20 20% were single fathers, [00:03:59] 80% had a dad around. It's been [00:04:00] inverted. So, we actually have seen [00:04:02] black dads run away from their kids the [00:04:05] last 60 years. Why is that? because of [00:04:08] the raised incarceration rates, because [00:04:10] of the perpetuated culture. [00:04:12] >> So, how does one go to jail? [00:04:15] >> That's obvious. I'm not answering that [00:04:16] question. [00:04:16] >> Yeah. So, maybe it's because they [00:04:18] committed crimes. [00:04:19] >> Okay. But the when you're forced for [00:04:22] you're it's not just a Oh, it's it's [00:04:26] this is old. This is in the past. This [00:04:27] doesn't affect you anymore. [00:04:28] >> Okay. So, actually, let's take a [00:04:30] different group. How did the Holocaust [00:04:32] impact Jews? They're doing pretty well. [00:04:34] >> Well, because they got reparations. We [00:04:35] did this. [00:04:36] >> How what reparations the Jews do? [00:04:37] acknowledgement through money, through [00:04:40] we acknowledge slavery happened. [00:04:42] >> Okay, but but you're sitting here and [00:04:44] acting like it plays no role. [00:04:46] >> No, no, no. But to your argument, the [00:04:48] Holocaust was 80 years ago. Half of all [00:04:51] the Jews on the planet were killed. [00:04:53] Everything they earned was taken. Jews [00:04:55] are doing great. If all of a sudden [00:04:57] something that happened 80 years ago [00:04:58] impacts your material prosperity, how [00:05:01] did Jews defy the curve? How did poor [00:05:02] Asians do so well? Why is it that Asians [00:05:05] are now the wealthiest minority in [00:05:06] America, many of whom came with no money [00:05:08] in the 1950s or 60s? [00:05:10] >> Because of the culture and opportunities [00:05:11] that were provided to them. [00:05:13] >> But no, but you're you're not hearing me [00:05:14] out. Black Americans have had the same [00:05:16] opportunities. However, [00:05:19] >> people still look at us like criminals [00:05:20] every day. [00:05:20] >> Hold on. But like I don't look at you [00:05:22] like a criminal. [00:05:23] >> I'm not saying you do. I'm saying some [00:05:25] people do. [00:05:25] >> But I mean, can I Do you want me to be [00:05:27] brutally honest with you or do you want [00:05:28] me to be politically correct? [00:05:29] >> Brutally honest with you. [00:05:30] >> Okay. Do black people commit more crimes [00:05:32] than white people? [00:05:34] It's not even close. [00:05:35] >> Okay. But [00:05:36] >> but you al you have to take into account [00:05:39] the culture that has been perpetuated. [00:05:40] >> Okay. Got it. So I we can agree on this. [00:05:42] Do you mean internal black culture? [00:05:44] >> Um it's it's not it's deeper than that. [00:05:46] Like [00:05:47] >> do you think let's take time out. Do you [00:05:49] think the average rap artist that a [00:05:51] black kid in the hood is listening to is [00:05:53] glorifying marriage and family and [00:05:56] saving your money? [00:05:57] >> That's what sells because it's a culture [00:06:00] thing. It's not just within the black [00:06:02] community. No, but hold on. Everyone [00:06:05] listens to it. It's not just isolated. [00:06:07] >> It's it's it's bad for everyone who [00:06:09] listens to it. The point being is that [00:06:11] black youth as they are being raised, [00:06:14] >> their role models are largely not [00:06:16] glorifying staying with one woman, [00:06:18] getting married, going to church. And if [00:06:21] if you're wrong, show me the black role [00:06:23] models that are doing that. There might [00:06:24] be a couple I could think of, maybe. But [00:06:26] if it's about culture, you're right. The [00:06:28] internal black culture has collapsed the [00:06:30] last 60 years. We're no longer elevating [00:06:32] the family. We're no longer elevating [00:06:34] staying with the person that you're [00:06:35] with. So, our contention here as [00:06:36] conservatives is that the systemic [00:06:39] racism stuff is a bunch of rubbish. [00:06:40] Instead, it's systemic bad choices. [00:06:43] >> Do you feel that systemic racism isn't [00:06:45] real? [00:06:45] >> Of course not. What can you What can I [00:06:46] do that you can't do? Name it. [00:06:49] >> Okay. [00:06:49] >> No. No. Seriously, what what what can I [00:06:52] do that you can't do? [00:06:53] >> Fallacy. That's a slippery slope. I [00:06:55] don't know why. [00:06:57] Cuz if back in 1940, you would have been [00:07:00] able to answer that question. Well, [00:07:01] Charlie, there's a bathroom over there [00:07:02] that I can't go to. There's a major [00:07:04] league team. [00:07:05] >> I can't I can't walk into the grocery [00:07:07] store and get the same looks that you [00:07:08] do. I walked into Brookshshire Brothers [00:07:10] a couple weeks ago and I was looked at [00:07:12] insanely hyper paranoid way of living [00:07:14] life. That's not evidence, right? [00:07:15] >> It's a real, [00:07:16] >> by the way, if I walk into a black [00:07:18] neighborhood, I get bad looks, too. [00:07:20] Okay? So I don't know what the [00:07:21] contention is [00:07:22] >> because of the way you treat our culture [00:07:24] and the way you perpetuate [00:07:25] >> Wait, hold on. Hold on. The the way we [00:07:27] treat your culture. We have we have gone [00:07:29] to such great calisthetics and [00:07:31] ridiculous gymnastics to prove that [00:07:34] we're not racist. In fact, it's the [00:07:35] worst thing that you could be called in [00:07:37] America. We had during, you know, George [00:07:39] Floyd 2020, we had hundreds of millions [00:07:41] of dollars given to Black Lives Matter. [00:07:43] I don't know where that money went. Did [00:07:44] it improve material uh worth of black [00:07:47] America? So I mean go and we actually do [00:07:49] know where it went actually. And so but [00:07:52] going back to your main contention when [00:07:54] you are when you practice DEI because [00:07:57] that was your main point right you are [00:08:00] rewarding bad culture. You even [00:08:02] acknowledge it. You are saying that [00:08:04] someone should be there based on the [00:08:05] color of their skin. We say skin color [00:08:07] doesn't matter. If you want that [00:08:09] position work harder, study harder and [00:08:12] then you'll be you might be able to get [00:08:13] that position. We're forced into [00:08:15] underfunded communities where schools [00:08:17] are based off of property value. We [00:08:20] can't [00:08:20] >> Well, actually, school choice is now the [00:08:22] law of the land here in Texas. So, [00:08:23] that's not correct. [00:08:25] >> Do you just expect a single parent home [00:08:27] to pick up and move into some rich [00:08:29] neighborhood? [00:08:29] >> Well, again, so let's go back to why are [00:08:32] they the single parent home and the [00:08:34] hundreds of [00:08:35] >> not do you believe in the maxim or the [00:08:38] belief that you should be you should [00:08:40] take responsibility for your decisions? [00:08:42] It's not just one person's decisions. [00:08:44] It's so much deeper than that. [00:08:46] >> Why are you trying to you're [00:08:48] >> that that's where you and I have a [00:08:49] different belief. You believe in [00:08:51] >> it's not it's a fact. [00:08:52] >> No, it's a it's a belief. Again, you [00:08:53] have to tell me then why do Jews do do [00:08:55] so well? Holocaust didn't impact their [00:08:57] material worth? How did Asians do so [00:08:59] well? And by the way, even more so, why [00:09:01] are Hispanics getting so much wealthier? [00:09:03] If we were so racist, why are Hispanics [00:09:05] all of a sudden gaining income the last [00:09:06] [cheering] 20 years? There's some [00:09:08] there's something [00:09:09] >> difference in culture. I don't know why [00:09:12] y'all are clapping, [00:09:15] [cheering] [00:09:15] >> but [00:09:16] >> it's a difference in culture. The way [00:09:18] that the way that each culture is [00:09:20] treated is so vastly different in [00:09:22] America. [00:09:23] >> But again, you have to tell me, other [00:09:24] than bad looks at the grocery store, how [00:09:27] else is your future, you as a man in [00:09:30] America, not a black man, how is your [00:09:33] future somehow restricted by racism? My [00:09:36] natural hair is seemed as [00:09:38] unprofessional. When I go into an office [00:09:40] or workplace, when I walk around in [00:09:43] certain places, people just assume, like [00:09:45] I've said earlier, the dirty looks. When [00:09:48] people think you are automatically the [00:09:51] worst of the worst solely because we [00:09:54] don't think that you think interrupted [00:09:55] me like 10 times because you think you [00:09:57] know what white people think and you [00:09:58] don't. [00:09:58] >> I don't know what white people think. [00:09:59] >> Then why do you keep on saying you know [00:10:01] what white people think? [00:10:02] >> I've seen it. I'M NOT SAYING YOU'VE SEEN [00:10:03] OUR THOUGHTS. I've seen what people have [00:10:06] done to me and people who look like me [00:10:08] around the world and around in America. [00:10:10] >> How again you you are let's just make an [00:10:13] example. You are here in the wealthiest [00:10:15] country ever. [00:10:16] >> Yes. [00:10:16] >> At an amazing university with all the [00:10:19] opportunity imaginable in front of you [00:10:21] and all you want to do is look backwards [00:10:23] at everything that prevented you when [00:10:25] you are a glaring example that there is [00:10:27] no systemic racism and you can actually [00:10:29] achieve your wildest dreams. [00:10:30] >> Whoa. Whoa. I never said that. Hey, I'm [00:10:33] not the only black person who exists out [00:10:34] there. There's so many people who this [00:10:36] culture is affecting to this day. [00:10:38] >> Do you know black Americans are the [00:10:40] richest black people on earth? You [00:10:42] cannot find a a black majority country [00:10:44] or any country where black people have [00:10:45] significant representation where they [00:10:47] are as wealthy cuz even the poorest [00:10:49] people in America are in the top 5% the [00:10:52] top 2% of wealth around the world. And [00:10:54] so my whole belief is stop acting like [00:10:56] you're a victim and start making better [00:10:58] choices. [00:10:59] >> Acting like a victim. Whoa. [cheering] [00:11:01] respect. [00:11:01] >> It's not it's this is not a victim [00:11:03] mentality. [00:11:04] >> No, it it it fundamentally is because [00:11:06] white people are not out to get you. [00:11:08] There's nothing there is nothing holding [00:11:10] black people back. [00:11:11] >> There is Let me say that again. There is [00:11:13] nothing holding black people back. In [00:11:15] fact, the opposite. You can get into [00:11:17] colleges with lower test scores. [00:11:19] >> But you could say things that white [00:11:21] people can't say and not be fired for [00:11:23] it. [00:11:24] >> Black people are wildly [00:11:25] disrepresentation. People say that to me [00:11:27] all the time and they just walk around [00:11:29] like it doesn't mean anything around [00:11:31] you. [00:11:31] >> Say what? Say the what? [00:11:32] >> The n word. I'm not going to say it on [00:11:34] this public platform, but people say it [00:11:36] to me all the time. [00:11:37] >> Derogatorily? [00:11:38] >> Yes. [00:11:38] >> No, I think you're lying. [00:11:40] >> I Why would I be lying? [00:11:41] >> So you're trying to tell me at this [00:11:42] campus, did you report it to student [00:11:44] services? [00:11:45] >> I'm not I have too much on my plate to [00:11:47] worry about this. [00:11:48] >> So Oh. So So you're going to say at this [00:11:51] campus, you're going to indict the moral [00:11:52] character of Texas A&M? [00:11:54] >> I'm not indicting the moral charact. [00:11:56] You're saying that [00:11:57] >> I'm only guiding the moral character of [00:11:58] one person or a few people. [00:11:59] >> Oh, now it's one. So, you heard it all [00:12:01] the time and now it's one. Got it. So, [00:12:03] >> it's not Okay, you're saying this is the [00:12:05] point is that I don't believe you [00:12:07] because now you resort back to a race [00:12:09] hoax to make it seem as if the white [00:12:10] kids on this campus are like racist and [00:12:13] terrible [00:12:13] >> kids. [00:12:14] >> Oh, so was was it a black guy that said [00:12:15] it to you? [00:12:16] >> There. I'm not. [00:12:18] >> It matters a lot because this is how [00:12:21] lies are able to grow. Just Smilelette, [00:12:23] we see this. You have to challenge them. [00:12:25] >> Do you think I'm lying when I'm I say [00:12:28] that people say the n word around here [00:12:29] and just [00:12:30] >> if I think a white person comes up to [00:12:31] you derogatorily and says shut up n [00:12:33] word. I absolutely [00:12:34] >> I'm not saying they said it. [00:12:35] >> But I asked I said are they saying it [00:12:36] derogatory? [00:12:37] >> But that doesn't mean it's word for word [00:12:38] like that. [00:12:39] >> But okay. So then it's not an insult [00:12:41] then. So then don't bring it up as if [00:12:42] it's evidence of racism. [00:12:44] >> Because you brought the nword up first. [00:12:46] I didn't you No, no, no. You [00:12:49] specifically said, name me an instance [00:12:52] of [00:12:52] >> I said I said black people can say [00:12:55] things that white people can't say. Of [00:12:56] course that's true. [00:12:57] >> But that's automatically implying that [00:12:59] one word. [00:13:00] >> It's more it's more than that. But but [00:13:01] but let me just kind of build this out. [00:13:02] >> What is it then? [00:13:04] >> There's a lot of things black people can [00:13:05] say. [00:13:06] >> Explain it to me. [00:13:07] >> You want You want me to give you more [00:13:08] examples of things? Yes. Black people [00:13:10] are allowed to talk about black culture [00:13:12] in a way that white culture cannot. For [00:13:14] example, black people can come up and [00:13:15] say that there's a baby mama problem in [00:13:17] black America. And white people are not [00:13:18] allowed to say that. Oh, I just did. So, [00:13:20] what are you going to do? Cancel me. [00:13:21] Black people are allowed to say Black [00:13:23] people are allowed to say, [00:13:24] >> "I'm a grown man. I got way." [00:13:25] >> Black people are allowed to say that [00:13:27] there is a systemic fraud issue within [00:13:30] the PP loan application of black [00:13:32] America. Black people are much easier to [00:13:34] able to say that black individuals, [00:13:35] despite being 13% of the American [00:13:37] population, commit 55% of the murders. [00:13:39] If most white people say that at a job, [00:13:41] they would get fired for being a racist. [00:13:42] I don't care cuz I say whatever I want. [00:13:44] So, black individuals have much more [00:13:47] intellectual public freedom than white [00:13:49] people do. If a white person were to [00:13:51] come up and say, you know, black America [00:13:52] really needs to get its act together and [00:13:54] stop sleeping around all the time and [00:13:56] needs to actually have because it's [00:13:58] true. Because why would you just walk up [00:14:01] to someone and talk and attack their [00:14:03] culture from the outside? [00:14:05] Hold on. You were Let's look at Let's [00:14:06] look at the evidence. You said to [00:14:08] myself, you said there's all these [00:14:09] people suffering in Chicago. There's all [00:14:11] these people that are terrible. I'm [00:14:12] telling you why. It's because there's [00:14:14] been bad decisions that have been [00:14:15] institutionalized. Let me finish. And [00:14:17] rap artists and athletes and people to [00:14:19] top a level of black society that refuse [00:14:22] to ever challenge the core rot in black [00:14:24] America, which is that they are allowing [00:14:25] degeneracy and hedonism to eat the soul [00:14:28] of what once was a beautiful black [00:14:30] culture. And instead, they go around [00:14:31] saying it's the boogeyman of racism. The [00:14:33] white man is out to get you. And the [00:14:35] result is black America is doing worse [00:14:36] than it was in the 1960s. That is the [00:14:38] contention. Period. [00:14:41] It's not just that. It's a cultural. [00:14:43] It's so much deeper than the present day [00:14:46] we are in. I don't know why you're [00:14:47] pretending like it just doesn't matter. [00:14:51] >> I I What doesn't matter. You mean things [00:14:53] that happen. Again, I've I've been [00:14:54] through this multiple times. Let me Let [00:14:56] me just ask you one. [00:14:56] >> You're not You're not listening to [00:14:57] understand. You're listening to reply. [00:14:59] >> No, I I I I'm doing both actually. And [00:15:01] so, but let me just like ask one final [00:15:04] question, right? Which is that like you [00:15:06] have your entire future ahead of you. [00:15:08] When you are hired for a job, would you [00:15:10] rather be hired because of your race or [00:15:12] because of how qualified you are? [00:15:14] >> It doesn't boil down to just that. [00:15:16] >> That's what DEI is, man. [00:15:17] >> No, it's not. [00:15:17] >> Yes, it is. It is definitionally the [00:15:20] hiring. [00:15:20] >> They're just going to They're not just [00:15:21] going to immediately see. They're going [00:15:23] to [00:15:23] >> You get extra points if you're black [00:15:25] with DEI. That's how it works. Racial [00:15:27] quotas elevate people based on the color [00:15:29] of their skin. [00:15:29] >> So, do you think I got extra points to [00:15:30] come here? [00:15:31] >> I don't know. You said you were [00:15:32] qualified, but affirmative action was [00:15:34] institutionalized in Harvard and in [00:15:36] Texas and a lot of other places. There [00:15:38] is nothing that is preventing black [00:15:39] people from prospering. Nothing. The [00:15:41] only thing is that you guys have been [00:15:43] hypnotized to be victims of your own [00:15:46] mind. To think as if there's a white [00:15:47] person out to get you. I walk in the [00:15:48] grocery store, they look at me [00:15:49] differently. All that stuff is complete [00:15:51] rubbish. You want the thing that is [00:15:54] >> life experiences. You're just denying my [00:15:56] experience. I just shared to you in [00:15:57] front of all these people. [00:15:59] >> If you think that, okay, let me just be [00:16:01] clear. I know [00:16:02] >> America has come really far. If your [00:16:04] best example of racism is getting bad [00:16:06] looks in a grocery store, we have made [00:16:08] incredible moral my experience. There [00:16:10] are so many other people. [00:16:12] >> I'm happy to hear every example that [00:16:13] they have. It boils down to this. We are [00:16:16] not just a racist country. We are the [00:16:17] least racist country ever to exist. We [00:16:19] go out of our way not to be called the [00:16:21] rword, to demonstrate that we aren't [00:16:23] racist, to show to people that I [00:16:24] actually have compassion for others and [00:16:26] that I want to try to help, you know, [00:16:28] people of different skin color. But at [00:16:30] at its fundamental core, I have to go [00:16:32] back to this. I don't actually think [00:16:33] skin color matters that much. I don't I [00:16:36] want a country that aims towards MLK's [00:16:38] dream of one based on content of [00:16:40] character and one on competency. I think [00:16:42] the hyper racial obsession of this [00:16:44] country is really bad. It's really bad [00:16:46] for everybody involved, including black [00:16:48] America. And I would just ask you, what [00:16:50] would you do to improve the material [00:16:51] well-being of black America? What is [00:16:52] your solution? [00:16:53] >> Education. [00:16:54] >> Okay, we've we've spent trillions of [00:16:56] dollars on education. Trillions. you [00:16:58] need to like fundamentally change the [00:17:00] system ed education because there's not [00:17:02] enough funding. There's not teachers are [00:17:04] not paid enough anywhere. Let's be [00:17:06] honest. Like we need to like seriously [00:17:10] fix our education, especially in when [00:17:13] public school education comes from [00:17:15] property taxes. When you're in a [00:17:17] lowincome neighborhood, you're not going [00:17:19] to get high income teachers. If if you [00:17:22] had to choose more money for education [00:17:25] or more dads for black kids, what would [00:17:27] you say? [00:17:27] >> That goes hand in hand. Education goes a [00:17:30] family. That's why if we get more dads [00:17:32] into homes, it starts solving the [00:17:34] problem. [00:17:34] >> No, education is what solves the [00:17:36] problem. [00:17:36] >> But hold on. But we we again, if you're [00:17:39] just educating and there's not a dad at [00:17:40] home reinforcing it, we've seen this [00:17:42] play out. We see this in Chicago. In [00:17:44] Baltimore, we've spent hundreds of [00:17:46] billions of dollars in Baltimore, [00:17:47] Chicago, Detroit. We have entire classes [00:17:48] of kids that can't read at grade level. [00:17:50] We have a we have incredible examples of [00:17:52] this and it goes back to this. If you [00:17:54] want to have a privileged life in [00:17:56] America, very simple. Start acting a [00:17:59] certain way. Our belief system is that [00:18:01] you come down to the most foundational [00:18:03] family unit and when that breaks down so [00:18:05] severely, don't be shocked if that group [00:18:07] when it acts that way stays in poverty [00:18:09] over a longer period of time. Asians are [00:18:12] incredibly loyally married. It's one of [00:18:14] the reasons why Asian-Americans do so [00:18:15] well in this country. Hispanics do very [00:18:17] well. White Americans increasingly are [00:18:19] not doing [00:18:20] >> also came here by choice, too. [00:18:23] >> We I my my ancestors did not come here [00:18:25] by choice. But [00:18:26] >> okay, so [00:18:27] >> we don't have to go too far into that. [00:18:28] >> We don't have to go into that. I want to [00:18:30] get the next question again. [00:18:31] >> You should be kissing the ground because [00:18:32] you're right. You didn't come here by [00:18:34] choice. [00:18:34] >> But the other I'm telling you right now, [00:18:36] you should be kissing the ground with [00:18:37] gratitude because you're right. You are [00:18:39] not in Africa and you should be thankful [00:18:41] you're not in Africa. That you're in the [00:18:43] United States of America. That's my end. [00:18:46] Thank you very much. I think that the [00:18:47] anti-immigration rhetoric you have is [00:18:49] not new. I think that you try to paint a [00:18:51] picture of it being this current [00:18:53] phenomenon that we're facing, but [00:18:54] there's been rhetoric from uh you know, [00:18:57] your side from for a long time [00:18:59] throughout the entirety of history. I [00:19:00] mean, if we look at the immigration [00:19:02] policies in the US, even though Chinese [00:19:04] immigrants built the entire Western [00:19:06] Railroad, there was still the Chinese [00:19:08] Exclusion Act because they were [00:19:10] providing insane value to the United [00:19:12] States, but we still had these exclusion [00:19:14] acts because of xenophobic attitudes. [00:19:17] And so, this is not this is not a novel [00:19:20] idea that, you know, immigrants are bad [00:19:22] for the country. So, I'm I'm interested [00:19:24] in why you think that all of a sudden we [00:19:27] need to change the way the United States [00:19:29] works. [00:19:30] Well, first of all, immigration has gone [00:19:32] in great influxes. We basically turned [00:19:34] off all immigration in the 1940s and [00:19:36] 50s. We had like net zero immigration [00:19:38] for almost 15 years. Most people don't [00:19:40] even know that. So, we had Ellis Island [00:19:41] in the early 1900s and then we turned on [00:19:44] the guzzle of immigration. But let's be [00:19:46] honest, for 40 years, we have tried this [00:19:49] mass immigration project for the last 40 [00:19:52] years. Has it worked? Are we are we a [00:19:54] more connected country? Have middle [00:19:56] class wages kept up? are are look look [00:19:59] at the material data. Has immigration [00:20:00] enriched the well-being of the United [00:20:02] States of America, especially the last [00:20:04] five or six years? I would say of course [00:20:07] not actually. We're more divided. We're [00:20:09] more fascious. And we see this in almost [00:20:11] every European country as well. When you [00:20:13] import a bunch of people that don't [00:20:14] speak your language that are from the [00:20:16] third world, all of a sudden you have [00:20:18] mass destabilization happening in your [00:20:20] country. It's not a matter of being [00:20:21] xenophobic. Instead, it's a matter of [00:20:23] being patriotic to your own country and [00:20:25] your own citizens. It's not about hating [00:20:26] the foreigner. It's about loving the [00:20:28] citizen. And your obligation is always [00:20:30] to citizens first, not foreigners. [00:20:32] [applause] [00:20:35] >> Okay. [00:20:37] So, you don't think that the MAGA [00:20:38] movement has led to xenophobic attitudes [00:20:41] at all? [00:20:42] >> I don't even know how to answer that. I [00:20:43] mean, like, [00:20:44] >> why not? [00:20:45] >> Well, because you have to first define [00:20:47] what you mean by xenophobic attitudes. [00:20:49] >> Uh, I mean, just like you said, you you [00:20:51] said I mean, we're living in a a divided [00:20:54] world. You don't think that comes from [00:20:55] people being anti-immigration? Not [00:20:57] >> No, I think it's the opposite. I think [00:20:58] when you allow a bunch of people that [00:21:00] aren't nativeorn Americans too quickly [00:21:02] with no checks, no background, no idea [00:21:04] who they are and flood them into your [00:21:06] towns. Definitionally, diversity is not [00:21:09] a strength when it comes to local [00:21:10] community ties. [00:21:11] >> If you don't use it, if you don't use [00:21:13] it, I don't know that you're committed [00:21:14] to finding its strength. [00:21:15] >> Hold on. No, explain this to me. This is [00:21:17] a good question. [00:21:18] >> Yeah. [00:21:18] >> What country has ever grown stronger the [00:21:21] more divided it's been? [00:21:23] >> None. But I'm not saying that you have [00:21:25] to get more divided. [00:21:26] >> No, no, but but diversity definitionally [00:21:28] will divide you. Unity unifies you. You [00:21:31] notice they never say unity is our [00:21:32] strength. They say diversity is our [00:21:33] strength. [00:21:34] >> In fact, just so we are clear, there is [00:21:36] nothing racist or xenophobic to say that [00:21:40] you want your kids to be around people [00:21:42] that speak English. There's nothing [00:21:43] racist to say that. It actually means [00:21:45] that you want to be able to communicate [00:21:46] with your neighbor. There's nothing [00:21:48] racist and xenophobic to say, for [00:21:51] example, we don't want to import people [00:21:52] from a far-off distant land that don't [00:21:55] share Western values, that don't treat [00:21:57] women the same, that don't have the same [00:21:59] respect for freedom of speech. So, what [00:22:00] we see is the unraveling of the United [00:22:02] States of America because a country is [00:22:05] is is again just like undoubtedly [00:22:09] a it is the people that inhabit it. So, [00:22:11] you have to be very careful what people [00:22:13] allow into your country. [00:22:14] >> Sure. And I but I think that what you're [00:22:15] talking about this like mass shift in [00:22:17] American culture is like not happening. [00:22:20] I think you're fear-mongering. And also [00:22:22] I I think that the United States forever [00:22:24] has been a mix of culture. I don't [00:22:26] really know like where you can point to [00:22:29] a time in the US history that hasn't [00:22:32] included immigrants in its culture. [00:22:34] >> Again, from the 20s to the 1920s and [00:22:35] 1960s, we had very little immigration in [00:22:38] this country. Nearly 40 years. In fact, [00:22:40] that is what largely led to us becoming [00:22:43] a world superpower in the 1950s is we [00:22:45] felt [00:22:46] >> we had we had the brasero program back [00:22:47] then where we brought in tons of [00:22:49] laborers from the United from Mexico to [00:22:51] the United States to work in [00:22:53] agricultural and that's how we fed the [00:22:55] United States. So I was such it was very [00:22:59] limited in scope versus what we see [00:23:01] today. But again I will ask a more moral [00:23:04] question. Does a politician have first [00:23:07] loyalty to its own citizens or to [00:23:09] another country's citizens? [00:23:10] >> Absolutely. I'm I'm glad you brought [00:23:11] this because I wanted to circle back to [00:23:12] my original question about the United [00:23:15] States creating instability in the rest [00:23:16] of the world. I do think that every [00:23:18] single politician like let's say I'm the [00:23:20] prime minister of South Africa, you [00:23:22] know, my my [00:23:23] >> which is an incredibly anti-white [00:23:25] country. Like oh my goodness. [00:23:26] >> Okay. Anyway, [00:23:27] >> dangerously anti-white. [00:23:29] >> Okay. Anyway, [00:23:30] >> do you know about that by the way? You [00:23:31] should. [00:23:31] >> Apartheid. Yes. [00:23:32] >> Oh, no. No, no, no. It's like they're [00:23:34] killing white people in the streets in [00:23:36] South Africa, [00:23:37] >> stealing farmland. [00:23:38] >> They're stealing farmland. And do if you [00:23:39] don't know about that, that shows how [00:23:40] the media is lying to all of you. It is [00:23:42] literally a mini white genocide [00:23:44] happening in South Africa right now. [00:23:46] >> But I I don't think that we should [00:23:47] >> No, it's fine. You brought up South [00:23:48] Africa, not me. But yes, [00:23:50] >> that was just an example. Anyway, let's [00:23:52] stay on topic. Um, so let's say I'm the [00:23:54] prime minister for a country. I do agree [00:23:56] with you that my first job is that [00:23:58] country for sure. That's who I'm [00:23:59] leading. But considering the United [00:24:02] States has created mass violence, [00:24:03] instability, and poverty around the [00:24:05] world, you don't think that we have some [00:24:07] sort of obligation to the people who [00:24:08] then have to flee from that? [00:24:11] >> No. [00:24:12] >> Why not? [00:24:13] >> Wait, hold on. I I Well, why not? Define [00:24:16] your terms. Where where where have we [00:24:19] created mass stability? I I'll grant you [00:24:21] Iraq. That was a disaster. Where else? [00:24:23] in all of Latin America, in different [00:24:26] countries in in Africa, places that like [00:24:29] the Philippines that we colonize, Puerto [00:24:31] Rico. [00:24:31] >> Yeah. I mean, of course, I I'm always so [00:24:33] interested in this as if it's like you [00:24:35] can never blame those countries for not [00:24:37] having their act together. It's somehow [00:24:39] America's fault. Like, oh, it's [00:24:41] America's fault that Nicaragua can't get [00:24:44] its act together. It's America's fault. [00:24:46] Even though we welcome Puerto Rico to [00:24:48] become US citizens, like we've colonized [00:24:50] them. So, here's the paradox. You don't [00:24:52] think that Puerto Rico is colonized? [00:24:54] >> No, no, no, no. I'm saying though, so if [00:24:56] we don't help Puerto Rico, we're evil. [00:24:58] When they become a territory, we [00:25:00] colonize them and we haven't done [00:25:01] enough. It's like, which one is it [00:25:03] exactly? [00:25:03] >> So, the Puerto Rico was taken from the [00:25:06] Spanish as a colony and used as a sugar [00:25:08] farm for years where the workers were [00:25:10] paid less than a dollar per day to [00:25:12] create sugar for the United States. And [00:25:15] it's not really about statehood or [00:25:16] independence. It's about letting Puerto [00:25:18] Rico decide that for themselves. And [00:25:20] anyway, this isn't about Puerto Rico. [00:25:22] >> No, it's fine. But as more broadly, and [00:25:24] I'll get to the final qu couple final [00:25:26] questions here, [00:25:27] >> I can sense that your problem is that [00:25:29] like America's super successful and [00:25:31] these other countries aren't. And [00:25:33] foundationally, it's rooted in envy, [00:25:35] bitterness, and resentment because we [00:25:38] are the world's superpower. It's not [00:25:39] because we've held anybody back. It's [00:25:41] because we've had incredible people, [00:25:44] really good ideas. [00:25:44] >> You think the US has intervened in a [00:25:46] negative way in other countries? [00:25:48] At times, yes, at times we've intervened [00:25:50] very favorably. We've Can you at least [00:25:53] acknowledge at times that? [00:25:54] >> Sure. There has been aid, but there's [00:25:55] also been terror. [00:25:56] >> No, no, not just aid. South Korea exists [00:25:58] because of American involvement. Kuwait [00:26:00] exists because of American involvement. [00:26:02] >> But it's not it's not [00:26:03] >> so but but but to to to look at American [00:26:07] accountability, you have to look at the [00:26:08] whole of that accountability. and and to [00:26:10] say that certain countries are less [00:26:13] developed purely on their own fault is [00:26:15] to ignore history. [00:26:16] >> I so that that's where we disagree. [00:26:19] >> Countries have to take responsibility [00:26:20] for their own future which again this is [00:26:22] one of the reasons why so many people [00:26:23] hate Israel. Every other country around [00:26:25] there is like a third world country and [00:26:27] Israel is super successful and super [00:26:29] agentic and they're able to be like one [00:26:31] of the wealthiest countries on the [00:26:33] planet. You got to wonder what is it [00:26:34] that they're doing? Oh, it's the Jews [00:26:36] because they're stealing all this money. [00:26:37] actually they like work super hard and [00:26:40] they don't believe in Islam and they [00:26:43] >> and like wow and the one place that [00:26:46] >> have you ever been to those countries? [00:26:48] >> Yeah, actually I have been to Israel and [00:26:49] I've been to the Palestinian Authority. [00:26:50] I've been to that. I've been to the West [00:26:52] Bank. I've actually visited it. Even if [00:26:53] I had, that doesn't mean what I'm saying [00:26:54] is wrong. Just for the record. By the [00:26:56] way, I encourage you to try to go to [00:26:57] Lebanon or Syria. Not exactly the Four [00:27:00] Seasons, right? So, [00:27:02] >> and you think that US intervention has [00:27:04] anything to do with that? partially, but [00:27:06] again to blame the evil US intervention [00:27:09] uh for every single problem is at its [00:27:12] core intellectually sloppy. [00:27:15] >> I don't think so because the United [00:27:16] States has two times the military of the [00:27:18] rest of the world. It has been in our [00:27:20] DNA to intervene in a military way in [00:27:23] other countries. So to say I mean you I [00:27:26] know you believe [00:27:26] >> so I I want to try to square this all [00:27:28] together. I got to get another question [00:27:29] just to make sure I'm clear. So you're [00:27:31] mad at America for getting involved in [00:27:33] other people's countries, right? So [00:27:35] America's bad for that. But then you [00:27:37] want everyone to come to America. I [00:27:38] thought America's bad. [00:27:40] >> I'm saying that the United States needs [00:27:42] to be held accountable. You can't meddle [00:27:43] in. [00:27:43] >> So we're held accountable by inviting [00:27:45] the entire world here. [00:27:46] >> If if you are going to mess up that [00:27:48] country, you have to do something about [00:27:49] it. [00:27:49] >> Oh, do something. Invite them here. [00:27:51] >> Maybe if you're the reason that they [00:27:53] have to leave. No. [00:27:54] >> All right. Then that that that at its [00:27:55] core, I'm glad you articulated it, is [00:27:57] neoconservatism, which is invade the [00:27:59] world, invite the world, which is that [00:28:01] you don't support the invasion part of [00:28:03] it, but somehow we have to invite the [00:28:04] world as some sort of like mass penance. [00:28:06] >> So, but that's like you invade and then [00:28:08] say, "Oh, [00:28:09] >> no, I don't I don't support the [00:28:10] invasions. I'm just I think you are [00:28:12] overly ascribing fault to the United [00:28:14] States of America when in reality it's [00:28:17] it's these own broken countries that [00:28:18] cannot get their own act together." A [00:28:20] great example is this, and I'll close [00:28:21] with this. El Salvador is become is [00:28:23] actually safer than America. It has [00:28:26] billions of dollars flowing into El [00:28:27] Salvador. Why? Because they elected [00:28:29] Boullle who decided to go after MS-13 [00:28:31] and clean up the streets of El Salvador. [00:28:34] Which again, it wasn't it was because [00:28:37] they decided to do good things with [00:28:40] massive action. Countries can be [00:28:42] wealthy. Singapore is wealthy. You could [00:28:44] be a very wealthy country if you embrace [00:28:47] western market ideas, private property [00:28:48] with low crime. And it's not always [00:28:50] >> I mean in the case of El Salvador, the [00:28:52] United States was the reason that the [00:28:53] country broke down into gang warfare. [00:28:56] And now if you look at the way they were [00:28:57] able to turn around, they had to declare [00:28:59] a state of emergency just to be able to [00:29:01] turn things around. [00:29:02] >> It's just like this is where we're [00:29:04] different and then I'll close next then [00:29:05] we have to get get going. [00:29:07] >> I look at America as a force for good. [00:29:09] You look at everything wrong and you say [00:29:11] it must be America. [00:29:12] >> No sir. I'm I'm looking at bad things [00:29:14] that they have done and calling for [00:29:16] accountability. [00:29:18] >> Okay. Like I I again I [00:29:19] >> I mean maybe we disagree. I don't know. [00:29:21] >> I I guess I think we're a wonderful [00:29:23] country and I think if a country is [00:29:24] poor, they're poor by choice and they [00:29:26] have to be able to get their act [00:29:27] together, make better decisions, and [00:29:29] stop acting like victims all the time. [00:29:30] Thank you very much. [00:29:33] >> Yeah. [00:29:34] >> Hey Charlie, how's it going? [00:29:36] >> Um so I wanted to speak to you about sex [00:29:39] and gender. I think we have a [00:29:40] disagreement there. Um [00:29:43] I feel like we can agree on sex. there [00:29:46] are male, female, you're either born [00:29:48] male, female, or in some cases some [00:29:50] instances um there's a case of interex [00:29:52] persons, but I think our disagreement [00:29:54] lays with um your interpretation or your [00:29:57] take on gender and how it's directly [00:29:59] linked to sex. And I just kind of want [00:30:02] to see where um what what are your what [00:30:05] what's like what's your thoughts on [00:30:06] gender or what are your um what's your [00:30:08] take because I'm not quite sure. I'm not [00:30:10] really caught up on what you've [00:30:12] >> Sure. So, uh gender is a madeup concept. [00:30:14] Do you know who made it up? Who made it [00:30:16] up? [00:30:16] >> Guy by the name of John Money in the [00:30:18] 1960s. And [00:30:20] >> why did he make it up? [00:30:21] >> No, I was going to say, wouldn't [00:30:22] technically anything be a madeup [00:30:24] concept? [00:30:24] >> No, sex is not made up. You can look at [00:30:26] sex. XX and XY chromosomes are not made [00:30:28] up. [00:30:30] >> Are not made up? [00:30:32] >> Yeah, I I agree with that. I think we're [00:30:33] on the same page about sex. [00:30:34] >> So, sex is observing. [00:30:36] >> Gender is creating something new. [00:30:38] Totally different. We observe nature. [00:30:40] Gender is creating a new thing out of [00:30:42] thin air that has no applicability to [00:30:44] our discourse or dialogue. So there are [00:30:46] zero genders, two sexes, infinite [00:30:47] personalities. We recognize that people [00:30:49] have different personalities. We don't [00:30:51] think you should get a different [00:30:52] definition on the forms you fill out or [00:30:54] how people talk to you, recognize you, [00:30:56] or how you are treated. [00:30:58] >> So when it comes to look when it comes [00:31:01] to defining or looking at and seeing [00:31:03] what or who is a man or a woman, it only [00:31:06] refers to sex like if they have a sort [00:31:08] of is that [00:31:09] >> correct. Correct. And it's worked really [00:31:11] well for all humanity. We decided to [00:31:13] screw it up the last 20 years. [00:31:15] >> But what about with like societal [00:31:17] implications with the way what's it [00:31:19] called? Gender um with the way with the [00:31:22] with the way gender is expressed. Um you [00:31:24] could for example um you could have a um [00:31:28] you could be a trans if let me take this [00:31:30] for example. So, if I was transgender, [00:31:32] um, say I was born female, but with the [00:31:34] way I present myself, um, if I shave my [00:31:36] mustache, um, I I shave my mustache, I [00:31:39] dress like a male. When I'm walking down [00:31:41] the street, you would think I'm a What [00:31:43] would you think I am? [00:31:45] >> What I think is irrelevant. You can [00:31:46] disguise yourself to look something you [00:31:48] are not. I can I can wear blackface. Do [00:31:50] I become black? [00:31:51] >> No. No, of course not. [00:31:52] >> Oh, so wait, hold on. If a then a man [00:31:54] dresses like a woman, why does he become [00:31:55] a woman? [00:31:56] >> It's not that he becomes a woman. It's [00:31:58] he's he's seen and he's in he's [00:32:01] >> want to be recognized as something that [00:32:02] he's not. [00:32:03] >> It's not that he needs to It's not that [00:32:05] they need to be recognized. [00:32:06] >> Oh, no. That's what it's all about. It's [00:32:07] about recognizing a delusion. You can [00:32:08] dress however you wish. You can act [00:32:10] however you wish, but I'm not going to [00:32:12] recognize your lie. In fact, you could [00:32:14] get in trouble for misprononing in the [00:32:16] state of California. We're teaching our [00:32:17] kids you must pronoun correct pronoun [00:32:19] correctly. And you actually have to [00:32:21] certify the delusion. So again, I say if [00:32:24] I wear black face and I don't become [00:32:25] black, why does a man who wear a dress [00:32:27] become a woman? [00:32:29] >> Um, [00:32:30] it's it's not it I feel like it's not up [00:32:33] for someone I don't I feel it's not up [00:32:36] for you to decide. I think it's up for [00:32:39] the individual. And I think the way they [00:32:41] the way they express themselves through, [00:32:43] you know, [00:32:44] >> through [00:32:47] >> the way they express themselves through [00:32:48] their what's it called? Through their [00:32:50] their through their appeal, through [00:32:51] their attire. I think that's more [00:32:53] indicative of how [00:32:54] >> Okay, then let's play let's play this [00:32:55] out. If everyone can just choose however [00:32:57] they want, should biological men who are [00:32:59] born as a man be able to compete in [00:33:01] female sports? [cheering] [00:33:04] >> I'm asking [00:33:06] >> um no, I don't believe that biological [00:33:09] men should be in women's sports. [00:33:11] >> And God bless you for saying that cuz [00:33:13] that's at So here's another question. [00:33:15] Should biological men who identify as [00:33:17] women be able to go into women's locker [00:33:19] rooms? [00:33:21] Can you repeat that one more time? [00:33:23] >> Biological man, so he has a [00:33:25] >> Okay. [00:33:26] >> And he says he's a woman. Should he be [00:33:28] allowed to go into female locker rooms? [00:33:31] >> I mean, [00:33:33] >> no, we have on campus we have all we [00:33:36] have all gender restrooms on campus [00:33:38] where males and females are. [00:33:40] >> Yeah. I think that's a terrible idea, [00:33:42] right? So because because ma male female [00:33:44] distinctions are critically important. [00:33:46] It's how society is structured. [00:33:47] >> Yeah. we have these shared spaces and [00:33:49] there hasn't been any sort of issues or [00:33:51] I don't think I think the major [00:33:53] consensus surrounding it is that people [00:33:55] are actually enjoy the what's it called [00:33:57] the the all gender bathrooms [00:33:59] >> let's talk about locker rooms though do [00:34:00] you think women would enjoy undressing [00:34:02] next to a a fully unclothed man [00:34:04] >> no I don't I don't think so I don't [00:34:06] >> okay so then we should prohibit that so [00:34:07] we agree so and then finally do you [00:34:10] think that a young 15year-old here in [00:34:13] California a young boy who thinks he is [00:34:15] a girl should he be allowed to chop chop [00:34:17] his off. [00:34:19] >> Can you Can you say that again from the [00:34:20] start? Real close. [00:34:22] >> 15year-old boy in California. He thinks [00:34:24] he's transgender. Should he be allowed [00:34:27] to go chop his parts off? [00:34:28] >> No. [00:34:30] >> Um, should he be allowed? I think I [00:34:32] think that's a conversation for him and [00:34:34] his medical and his doctor and his [00:34:36] family. I mean, I'm not It's not It's [00:34:38] not my It's not my job to [00:34:40] >> Should uh Should 15y olds be allowed to [00:34:42] get tattoos? [00:34:43] >> Should 15-year-olds be allowed to get [00:34:44] tattoos? [00:34:45] I no. [00:34:47] >> So you could your but you can't get a [00:34:49] tattoo. [00:34:50] >> I mean [laughter] [00:34:51] I mean with [00:34:53] I mean I think that's I don't think [00:34:56] that's really that comparative. [00:34:57] >> Well, they're both irreversible, right? [00:35:00] Actually, one matters a lot more for [00:35:02] human flourishing than the other. [00:35:03] >> No, I would I would definitely agree. [00:35:04] That's it's a very what's it called? [00:35:06] It's a very lifealtering process and I [00:35:08] think it requires a lot of time and um [00:35:11] it requires a lot of time and it [00:35:12] shouldn't be something that should be [00:35:13] just jumped into. Um I just think that's [00:35:17] something for an individual and their [00:35:19] their family and their doctors to decide [00:35:21] and not for um society or the state the [00:35:24] state. [00:35:24] >> Last question. Most important question. [00:35:25] What is a woman? [00:35:28] [cheering] [00:35:31] Um, a woman, you know it. You know it [00:35:34] when you see it. You know, it's like if [00:35:36] I look, she looks like a woman, she [00:35:38] looks like a woman, she looks like a [00:35:40] woman, she looks like a woman. It's the [00:35:42] way it's the way you express yourself. [00:35:43] So all these It's the way you express [00:35:46] yourself. [00:35:48] >> So if you if you if you basically [00:35:51] womanhood is a costume. [00:35:54] >> I'm not saying that. No. [00:35:55] >> No, it is. Yeah. If you're able to wear [00:35:57] the right stuff and [snorts] just assume [00:36:00] the identity, you can appropriate [00:36:02] womanhood. Is that correct? [00:36:05] >> No. [00:36:06] >> Okay. Is uh Caitlyn Jenner a woman? [00:36:09] >> Yes. [00:36:11] >> Why? [00:36:12] >> Why is she a woman? [00:36:13] >> What chromosomes does Caitlyn Jenner [00:36:15] have? [00:36:16] >> Um [00:36:18] I mean I don't I think her chromosomes [00:36:20] don't have to deal with her gender. Like [00:36:22] I think that's where the disagreement [00:36:23] lies is that I [00:36:24] >> Yeah. again. So this is where you are [00:36:27] playing into this narrative that gender [00:36:28] exists. We reject that paradigm [00:36:30] completely because gender has led us to [00:36:33] this place that your own personal [00:36:34] self-expression matters to your core [00:36:36] identity. And again, that means nothing. [00:36:38] Infinite personalities, no genders, two [00:36:40] sexes, and we must live in reality, not [00:36:43] in the delusions of the heads of people [00:36:45] that want us to accommodate their [00:36:47] fantasy. Thank you very much for your [00:36:48] time. [00:36:49] >> It's all right if you have an opinion. [00:36:50] I'm saying it's not all right if you [00:36:52] don't understand how the female [00:36:54] reproductive [00:36:54] >> Okay, so let pop quiz. When does [00:36:56] heartbeats begin for babies in uterero? [00:36:58] >> Have you ever eaten an egg before? [00:37:00] >> Um, [00:37:03] that's I'm yes or no. Have you ever [00:37:04] eaten an egg before? [00:37:07] >> Uh, scrambled. Yeah. [00:37:08] >> Okay. So, would that be you scrambled a [00:37:11] full chicken? [00:37:13] >> Well, hold on. Oh, you understand it [00:37:14] takes an egg to be fertilized, [00:37:16] >> right? Uh-huh. [00:37:18] >> Yeah. Uhhuh. [laughter] your point, the [00:37:20] whole point you're making. [00:37:21] >> Hold on. So, no, since we're doing pop [00:37:24] quiz on like human development. So, when [00:37:27] exactly do heart waves begin in uterero, [00:37:29] >> you know that, but you don't know the [00:37:31] force. [00:37:31] >> Hold on. No, no, tell me when. Tell me [00:37:32] when I don't know. [00:37:34] >> Okay. You don't know? No. So, wait, hold [00:37:35] on. So, you're trying to say I know more [00:37:37] about the woman reproductive system than [00:37:39] you do. [00:37:40] >> I am a woman. So, yes. [00:37:41] >> Yes. Okay. Well, but the point being is [00:37:43] we could both go back and forth of like [00:37:45] independent trivial facts when it comes [00:37:48] to the woman's reproductive system. But [00:37:50] here's something we all know because God [00:37:52] wrote this on the human heart of every [00:37:54] individual as it says in the book of [00:37:55] Romans. We know deep down it's wrong to [00:37:58] murder a baby. [00:37:59] >> You're not murdering a baby. It's not a [00:38:01] baby. [00:38:01] >> Okay. Well, let's let's play this out. [00:38:03] What is it then? [00:38:04] >> It is an embryo, which is not a baby. [00:38:06] >> Well Well, okay. So, it's a fertilized [00:38:08] embryo, [00:38:09] >> correct? Which is not a baby. So, at [00:38:11] what point does it become a baby? [00:38:13] >> When it is born. [00:38:14] >> Oh, [cheering] [00:38:18] >> I don't agree with abortions up to full [00:38:20] term abortions. [00:38:21] >> Hold on. But, but you said it becomes a [00:38:22] baby when it's born. Then why would you [00:38:24] have abortion limits before it's born? I [00:38:26] thought it's just an embryo. So, embryo [00:38:27] rights. [00:38:28] >> No, embryo rights aren't a thing. [00:38:30] >> But then, where would you draw a line [00:38:31] for abortion then? And why? And under [00:38:33] what moral standard? [00:38:34] >> There are medical reasons, not the [00:38:36] question. That's not the question. You [00:38:38] just asked me why would I not have an [00:38:39] abortion full term for medical reasons. [00:38:41] >> Okay. So, at 29 weeks, the baby is [00:38:43] nearly fully developed, can recognize [00:38:45] the mother's voice, has a heartbeat, has [00:38:48] brain waves. Is it okay to abort that [00:38:50] baby? [00:38:51] >> I don't like it's not okay. But you're [00:38:53] going to say it's okay to have an [00:38:55] abortion then? Like, I don't understand [00:38:58] what you're trying to say. It's not okay [00:38:59] to have an abortion ever. How about like [00:39:01] 3 weeks in? [00:39:02] >> Correct. No abortion. Correct. [00:39:03] >> Why? [00:39:04] >> Well, because your life started at [00:39:06] conception. It did not though. It did [00:39:08] not. [00:39:08] >> Well, hold on. So, let's play this out. [00:39:10] So, who are you as an individual? From [00:39:12] your skin color to your eye color to [00:39:15] your likes, your dislikes, from your [00:39:17] temperament to your everything. [00:39:19] >> I am not an embryo. I'm a person. [00:39:21] >> Hold on a second. But it started with [00:39:23] something called deoxoribbo [00:39:26] nucleic acid. And your own individual [00:39:30] DNA started at the point of egg and [00:39:33] sperm meeting. That's where your journey [00:39:35] started. And so from that point in [00:39:37] particular, life begins. Not not at [00:39:40] birth, not at first words, not at first [00:39:43] steps, but when your DNA, which is who [00:39:46] you actually are. Your you are your DNA. [00:39:48] Every one of your DNA cells is coded XX [00:39:51] or XY. It's coded with all of your [00:39:53] unique characteristics and attributes [00:39:55] that God we believe God individually [00:39:57] curated for the rest of your life. That [00:40:00] doesn't happen at 8 weeks or 10 weeks. [00:40:01] It happens at conception. [00:40:03] >> What happens if you need a medical [00:40:04] abortion? If the mother will die if she [00:40:06] does not get an abortion, what's your [00:40:07] stance on that? [00:40:08] >> The only the only place where medical [00:40:10] abortion is necessary is before 20 [00:40:12] weeks, which is incredibly [00:40:13] >> she will die. What if the mother [00:40:15] >> So let's take they for example like this [00:40:17] is a very important question. Let's say [00:40:19] it's 27 weeks, okay? And the mother will [00:40:22] die. Why shouldn't you could agree why [00:40:24] don't we just have the baby delivered by [00:40:26] cacaian section? You know what a [00:40:27] cescareian section is, right? [00:40:28] >> Yes. [00:40:29] >> What is a cescareian section? [00:40:30] >> A C-section. [00:40:30] >> Yeah. Wh why wouldn't we just put the [00:40:32] baby up by C-section instead of [00:40:33] terminating it [00:40:34] >> because if the mother will die, it's not [00:40:36] safe to do that. [00:40:37] >> You remove the baby. [00:40:38] >> I understand. I know what a C-section [00:40:41] is, [00:40:41] >> but it's actually safer than an [00:40:42] abortion. So, every time they say, "This [00:40:44] is for you guys." They say, "Oh, you [00:40:46] need to have abortion for medical [00:40:48] reasons." Respond, "Then have a [00:40:49] C-section." [00:40:50] >> What if you're not able to have a [00:40:52] C-section? What if you are on your [00:40:53] deathbed? You need to have an abortion [00:40:55] right now. [00:40:56] >> Again, [00:40:56] >> and it's illegal. You can't. So, you [00:40:58] have to die [00:40:58] >> first. First and foremost, C-section is [00:41:00] safer. C-section is quicker and a [00:41:02] C-section saves both lives. A C-section [00:41:04] >> the baby is already dead. You just said [00:41:06] >> no, but even No, no, no. Hold on a [00:41:08] second. You're saying if the baby's [00:41:09] already dead, then it doesn't have an [00:41:10] abortion, right? Then you're talking [00:41:11] about a removal of a carcass, which is a [00:41:14] completely different medical operation. [00:41:16] >> So, you're saying that's okay. If you're [00:41:17] having [00:41:18] >> if you're rem Hold on. If you're [00:41:19] removing a carcass of a baby, that is [00:41:21] not an abortion by definition. [00:41:23] >> The same process. [00:41:24] >> No, it it it's completely different. [00:41:26] During an abortion, they actually inject [00:41:29] the spinal fluid with cyanide poisoning [00:41:32] as the baby squirms and tries to find [00:41:35] its mother and it is gasping for air of [00:41:38] life. Have you ever watched an abortion? [00:41:39] It is one of the Yeah, actually I have [00:41:41] and I encourage every human being to [00:41:43] watch one to know what you are fighting [00:41:45] against because when you see abortion, [00:41:47] you will have your your life will be [00:41:49] changed that we allow the massacre of a [00:41:52] million and a half babies a year under [00:41:55] the guise of woman reproductive health. [00:41:56] We are allowing babies every single year [00:41:59] to just say, you know, we're going to [00:42:00] discard them. Why? Oh, they're smaller. [00:42:02] They're not humans. You're using [00:42:03] dehumanizing language saying, oh, it's [00:42:06] an embryo. No, that's a baby made in the [00:42:08] image of God deserving of protection. [00:42:12] [applause and cheering] [00:42:13] >> What do you do with those children once [00:42:14] they're born into a bad household? [00:42:16] >> So, now we've transition to like what do [00:42:18] you do with the kids? Glad we're past [00:42:20] the other part of the argument. Okay. [00:42:22] What do you do with them? You know, [00:42:23] there's twice as many people on the [00:42:25] adoption waiting list than there are [00:42:26] abortions every single year that [00:42:28] >> And they're still on the list. So, you [00:42:30] want to send a child into an orphanage. [00:42:32] >> Is that what you want for a child? Is [00:42:33] that a good life for a child? No, I'm [00:42:35] not advocating that. In fact, I'm [00:42:37] advocating for to make it easier to be [00:42:39] able to adopt. Number one. Number two, [00:42:41] there's no such thing as an unwanted [00:42:43] child. Number three, it is never right [00:42:46] to justify the mass elimination or [00:42:48] termination of people under the guise of [00:42:51] saying they're unwanted. That's how we [00:42:53] get Oshvitz. That's how we get the [00:42:55] greatest horrors of the 20th century. [00:42:58] Those people are unwanted. [00:42:59] >> So, you're comparing abortion to the [00:43:00] Holocaust? [00:43:01] >> Absolutely, I am. In fact, it's worse. [00:43:04] It's worse. [00:43:05] >> It's [cheering] really not. I don't [00:43:06] think [00:43:06] >> it's 45 million babies. [00:43:09] It's nearly eight times worse than the [00:43:12] Holocaust. What's the moral difference [00:43:14] between a small baby in the womb and a [00:43:16] grown Jew who was killed at Oshvitz? [00:43:18] What's the moral difference? [00:43:20] >> One is older [00:43:21] >> is a person. [00:43:23] >> What species is the baby in the womb? [00:43:25] >> It's a human. But [00:43:27] >> therefore, they should have human [00:43:28] rights. [00:43:29] >> No, [00:43:30] >> they should have human rights. [00:43:32] >> I do not agree. Oh, so so small humans [00:43:34] no human rights. Grown humans human [00:43:36] rights. [00:43:36] >> It's not a small human. It's an embryo. [00:43:39] >> You just said it was a human species. [00:43:41] >> It's not a living human child. [00:43:43] >> Wait, it's not a what? [00:43:44] >> It's not a child. It's not a living [00:43:46] child. [00:43:46] >> It's very It has a heartbeat. It has [00:43:48] brain waves. [00:43:49] >> Make it a child. [00:43:50] >> But tell me when it becomes a child [00:43:53] then. [00:43:54] >> When it I already told you when it is [00:43:55] born [00:43:56] >> again. So under every other objective [00:43:59] definition, you see guys how quickly the [00:44:00] proabortion arguments fall apart with [00:44:02] just the slightest questioning and but [00:44:05] it our position is one rooted not in [00:44:08] feelings, not in personal autonomy, but [00:44:11] one in biological consistency and [00:44:13] reality that your life had an agreed [00:44:15] upon starting point. That that starting [00:44:17] point should be protected and preserved. [00:44:20] And the excuses given for abortion is [00:44:22] dehumanization. Oh, it's just an embryo. [00:44:24] Guys, that's just using different [00:44:25] language to justify the massacre of [00:44:27] something smaller than you. That's all [00:44:29] that it is. [00:44:30] >> I have um I have a couple points that I [00:44:32] want to talk about in illegal [00:44:34] immigration. Um is it okay if I write if [00:44:37] I say all of them with no interruption? [00:44:39] Okay, cool. So, first, illegal [00:44:42] immigrants power our economy. They are [00:44:44] 50% of US farm workers harvesting the [00:44:46] food on our tables and fill 70% of [00:44:48] construction jobs in states like Texas. [00:44:51] They pay 13 billion annually in taxes, [00:44:53] including 2 billion to social security [00:44:56] that they can't claim. Deporting them [00:44:57] would slash agricultural output by 60 [00:45:00] billion and raise food prices by 6%. [00:45:03] Why gut our farms and wallets when these [00:45:06] workers fuel our prosperity? That's my [00:45:08] first point. Second point, they [00:45:10] strengthen our communities with lower [00:45:11] crime rates. So in Texas, undocumented [00:45:14] undocumented immigrants have a 26 lower [00:45:17] percent homicide conviction rates. So [00:45:20] which is 2.2 per 100,000 versus three [00:45:23] for native born citizens. Nationally [00:45:25] immigrants are incarcerated at half the [00:45:28] rate of native born where it's 85% [00:45:31] versus 1.7 [00:45:33] 1%. Uh that's according to Bureau of [00:45:35] Justice Statistics from 2019. So if [00:45:38] safety is your goal, why deport people [00:45:41] who make our streets safer? This is my [00:45:43] third point. Uh mass deportation tears [00:45:46] apart American families. Over 4.4 4 [00:45:48] million US cit citizens uh children have [00:45:51] an undocumented parent and in Texas one [00:45:53] in seven kids lives in a mixed status [00:45:55] household. Um okay this is my fourth [00:45:58] point. Deportation is a fiscal [00:46:01] nightmare. Removing 11 million people [00:46:03] would cost 315 to 400 billion more than [00:46:07] the entire homeland security budget and [00:46:09] shrink our GDP by 1.7 trillion over 10 [00:46:13] years. [00:46:14] And um this is my last point. Our [00:46:17] immigration system is broken, pushing [00:46:20] people to cross illegally. Visa waits. [00:46:23] Mexicans can exceed 20 years and the [00:46:25] asylum blockage is 1.3 million cases [00:46:27] with hearings four to six years out. Uh [00:46:31] okay. [00:46:32] >> You done? [00:46:32] >> That's pretty much it. Yeah. Yeah. [00:46:34] >> All right. So without looking at the [00:46:35] phone, look at me. What should the [00:46:37] penalty be for breaking into America? [00:46:39] >> I think there should be a system where [00:46:40] it's more merit-based. So if this person [00:46:42] >> penalty So what is the penalty? So what [00:46:44] what what should happen? [00:46:45] >> It's a fel it's it's not a felony. It's [00:46:46] a misdemean that's not true. It's 8 USC [00:46:48] 1312. You can look it up right now. [00:46:49] >> It's a felony if it's done twice if you [00:46:51] try to go. That is correct. That is not [00:46:53] correct. I googled it. Dude to illegally [00:46:55] go across the southern border with the [00:46:56] well intent to come into harbor yourself [00:46:58] into the interior of the United States [00:46:59] to violation of 8 USC 1312 which is a [00:47:01] felony in the federal criminal code. Now [00:47:03] it can be enforced as a misdemeanor or [00:47:05] it can be upwards to 5 years in prison. [00:47:06] Now I want to know since it's a felony [00:47:08] law on the books 8 USC1 1312 what should [00:47:11] the penalty be? Um well, [00:47:15] in my opinion, these kinds of like um [00:47:18] laws are not are are usually they're [00:47:20] they're [00:47:22] um what do you call it? They're um [00:47:26] sorry. [00:47:29] >> Usually the the the like the the [00:47:33] sorry [00:47:36] >> um wait, sorry. Can I can I choke my [00:47:38] phone real quick? I apologize. [00:47:43] Can you can you repeat the the question? [00:47:45] Sorry. [00:47:46] >> What should the penalty be? [00:47:47] >> Penalty be [00:47:48] >> for someone that breaks or comes into [00:47:51] America illegally, what should the [00:47:53] penalty be? [00:47:53] >> I think there should be a a merit system [00:47:55] where the people Okay, the penalty. All [00:47:57] right, let's [00:47:57] >> that's not the answer. It's a very [00:47:59] simple moral and legal question. What [00:48:01] should the penalty be if you come into [00:48:03] America illegally? Okay. So, since it's [00:48:05] a misdemeanor, not a felony, [00:48:07] misdemeanor. [00:48:08] >> I just I just told you it's not eight. [00:48:09] You can look up on your chat GPT. What [00:48:11] is 8 USC? Look up. What is 8 USC 1312? [00:48:15] >> No, I I know. I've already looked it up. [00:48:16] >> Yes. It's which is [00:48:18] >> when it's your second time crossing the [00:48:19] border illegally, then it becomes a [00:48:21] felony. It can it can be and it is [00:48:24] enforced as a felony and it usually is [00:48:27] done as a misdemeanor citation because [00:48:29] no one has the stones to do 20 million [00:48:32] felony you know uh applications. [00:48:35] >> Okay. [00:48:35] >> So I just want to ask [00:48:37] >> what should the penalty be then [00:48:40] >> for someone that comes into this country [00:48:42] illegally? [00:48:45] >> Usually there's there's three ways that [00:48:47] go about this. is when there's a [00:48:48] penalty. It's there's either like a fine [00:48:50] or there is some kind of like uh public [00:48:52] service that this person does. Um or you [00:48:55] send them back. But but [00:48:56] >> I'll send it back. I agree. That's what [00:48:58] we should do. [00:48:58] >> Okay. Okay. So, [cheering] okay. So, [00:49:01] this is this is interesting. So, one of [00:49:03] the stats, one of the statistics that I [00:49:05] read said that illegal immigrants don't [00:49:08] cause as much as much like they don't [00:49:11] break the law as often as people who are [00:49:13] native born. That is statistic. But [00:49:16] every single one of them are criminals. [00:49:17] They're all criminals. [00:49:18] >> They're okay. Sure. By law. By law. No. [00:49:20] By law. Of course. Of course they are. [00:49:21] Wait. So if they if they if they commit [00:49:22] less crime and they're all criminals. [00:49:25] >> Wait a second. By definition, [00:49:27] >> they they all have broken the law by [00:49:29] being here. And they break the law every [00:49:30] day by staying here cuz you're actually [00:49:32] not allowed to stay here either. Do you [00:49:33] know that? So every day you're here, [00:49:35] you're actually continually breaking the [00:49:37] law. You can't break in or harbor. [00:49:39] That's what the federal law says. So by [00:49:41] breaking in, it's not just the only law [00:49:42] they broke. every second you remain [00:49:45] here, you're also breaking the law. So [00:49:46] that statistic is invalidated by just [00:49:48] them breathing here, they're breaking [00:49:49] the law. [00:49:50] >> No, of course not. Of course not. So of [00:49:51] course it makes sense for them when [00:49:52] they're here, they're breaking the law [00:49:54] because they're illegal immigrants, [00:49:54] obviously. Obviously, but once they're [00:49:56] Okay. Yeah. Of course. So once they're [00:49:57] here, once they are here, what kind of [00:50:00] harm are they actually doing when we [00:50:01] look at the numbers statistically? No. [00:50:03] No, that's not true. Okay. [00:50:04] >> Black wages have gone up. Okay. In [00:50:05] Texas, [00:50:05] >> DUI have gone up dramatic dramatically. [00:50:07] >> Try not to interrupt, bro. [00:50:09] >> Hold on. I I I'm I'm interjecting and I [00:50:12] let you go uninterrupted with your whole [00:50:14] siloquy, right? So [00:50:15] >> So let me just let me ask you a [00:50:17] question. No. [00:50:18] >> Okay. [00:50:18] >> So if it is correct [00:50:21] >> Yeah. [00:50:21] >> that illegal aliens commit less crimes, [00:50:23] which of course it's not correct. [00:50:24] >> That is correct. Look it up. In Texas, [00:50:26] they made a study in 2019% [00:50:28] or lower. [00:50:29] >> If it's any crime, it's just not [00:50:30] correct. But I'm not going to debate [00:50:31] that. It's it's it's I just I just [00:50:32] proved it at its face because they [00:50:34] commit a crime by being here every day. [00:50:36] That is a crime. [00:50:36] >> Okay. Once they are here, what kind of [00:50:38] crimes are they committing? Just [00:50:39] >> Okay. Well, [00:50:39] >> there they're 26%. [00:50:41] >> Do you know the name Lake and Riley? [00:50:44] >> No. Educate me. [00:50:45] >> Oh, you don't? [00:50:46] >> No. No. No. [00:50:48] >> Do you know Wow. Do you know the name [00:50:50] Rachel Morren? [00:50:52] >> No, I don't. [00:50:53] >> Wow. [00:50:54] >> Educate me. What? What? [00:50:56] >> So Lake and Riley was a girl at the [00:50:57] University of Georgia. Okay. [00:50:59] >> There was a peeping Tommy illegal alien [00:51:00] that was deported five times prior and [00:51:02] Biden kept on letting him back in. He [00:51:04] hunted her down, raped her, sodomized [00:51:06] her, and murdered her on a hiking trail [00:51:08] University of Georgia. So, one person [00:51:10] doesn't represent alligants. Every [00:51:12] person who is killed by an illegal alien [00:51:14] is one that should not happen. Every [00:51:16] single one, [00:51:16] >> of course. And also the ones that are [00:51:18] born, [00:51:18] >> everyone. And so, that's the pointative [00:51:20] is that it's not a matter of the rate. [00:51:22] >> The the rate, even if I accept your [00:51:24] premise, which is incorrect, the rate is [00:51:27] irrelevant. The number is what's [00:51:28] relevant. There should be zero illegal [00:51:30] aliens. There should be zero Americans [00:51:32] being killed by illegals. Not to [00:51:33] mention, there's six other problems with [00:51:35] illegal aliens. They steal social [00:51:36] security numbers. They depress wages. [00:51:39] They are heavily involved. By the way, [00:51:41] not to mention a lot of people that [00:51:43] cross on the southern border are also [00:51:44] smuggling girls, weapons, and drugs [00:51:46] alongside the southern border when they [00:51:48] come. It's the largest slavering operate [00:51:49] slavery operation in American history [00:51:52] that many illegal aliens help make [00:51:53] possible on the southern border. And I [00:51:55] guess the final question I'll have is, [00:51:57] should a government serve its citizens [00:52:00] first and foremost? [00:52:01] >> Yeah, of course. Of course. Well, okay. [00:52:03] There's many there's been many people [00:52:05] who are like very political leaders who [00:52:07] have said that this place is built off [00:52:09] of immigrants. [00:52:10] >> Oh, is it? Well, hold on. Let's think [00:52:11] about that. Was was first of all, it's [00:52:14] legal, not illegal. But was America [00:52:16] founded by immigrants or settlers? [00:52:18] >> Settlers. [00:52:18] >> That's not an immigrant. [00:52:20] >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Not my point. My point [00:52:22] is that [00:52:22] >> you brought up the the nation built by [00:52:24] immigrants. [00:52:25] >> Yeah. Because the political leaders have [00:52:27] said that this place is built [00:52:29] >> Yeah. And they're they're wrong. [00:52:30] >> They're wrong. Political leaders are [00:52:32] wrong. George W. Bush is wrong. All [00:52:34] these political leaders who have built [00:52:35] America, [00:52:36] >> By the way, the first person to say that [00:52:37] was [00:52:37] >> how is that wrong when illegal [00:52:38] immigrants make they grow the economy [00:52:41] statistically? [00:52:42] >> Allow me again. Allow me to build it out [00:52:45] for you. [00:52:46] >> Immigrants have helped at times in [00:52:47] American history, but we are first and [00:52:49] foremost a nation founded by settlers. [00:52:50] Immigrants come to a country already [00:52:52] built. Settlers come to a barren place [00:52:53] and build something new. This land was [00:52:56] barren when people came [00:52:57] >> in the 1840s gold rush. This was not an [00:52:59] easy place to live. California was not [00:53:02] exactly industrialized. There was not [00:53:04] immigrants coming west to California. [00:53:05] Those were settlers building a new place [00:53:07] around, you know, western western [00:53:09] values. Finally, I would just ask the [00:53:12] question, [00:53:12] >> do you see a moral distinction between a [00:53:14] legal immigrant and an illegal [00:53:16] immigrant? [00:53:16] >> Well, the argument is that they're [00:53:18] cutting in line. Like the argument is [00:53:19] that they're cutting in line in the [00:53:21] 20ear process that it would take for [00:53:22] someone to be to cross. [00:53:23] >> It's not 20, but [00:53:24] >> at most it's 20. At most it's 20. Right [00:53:26] now, there's around like 1.2 two million [00:53:28] people who are currently waiting. That [00:53:29] would take six to seven years for a [00:53:31] hearing. [00:53:31] >> And by the way, no one has a right to [00:53:33] come to this country. Just to be clear, [00:53:34] >> let me stay on track of what I was going [00:53:36] to say. Okay. So, so people people who [00:53:39] come here usually almost all the time [00:53:42] when they come here, it's they benefit [00:53:44] society. They benefit society. There's [00:53:46] studies that have done this. [00:53:48] >> Not necessarily. [00:53:49] >> Okay. Not necessarily. But overall, in [00:53:51] general, when you look over disagree [00:53:54] with that, [00:53:54] >> you can't disagree with a fact. [00:53:55] >> Hold on a sec. Do you think Elon Omar [00:53:57] has enriched the United States of [00:53:59] America? [00:54:01] >> I I don't know who. [00:54:02] >> Do you think Rashida Talib? [00:54:03] >> Uh-huh. [00:54:04] >> I mean, I could go through person by [00:54:05] person by person. [00:54:06] >> So, I don't know these people. Are these [00:54:07] people who have like are illegal [00:54:09] immigrants that have caused harm? [00:54:10] >> Yeah. Again, I if you don't know, I [00:54:11] don't mean to pick on you. It's fine. [00:54:12] But I I guess the the final question is [00:54:16] >> do you have any concern that there are [00:54:18] too many people coming into this country [00:54:20] and we're a nation of strangers, not a [00:54:22] nation of neighbors? If the people who [00:54:23] are coming are creating America, making [00:54:25] it more growing, like the economy is [00:54:26] growing, then what harm is that doing? [00:54:28] Especially if the people are coming an [00:54:30] economy though, aren't we? We're a [00:54:31] culture. We're a language. [00:54:33] >> Okay, so let's talk about that front. [00:54:34] When they come here, they don't have any [00:54:36] kind of they're not committing as more [00:54:37] more crimes than the people who are [00:54:38] already here. That is we already [00:54:40] dispelled that, but you can't [00:54:45] do you think there's anything wrong that [00:54:46] a majority of young people in California [00:54:48] speak Spanish, not English? [00:54:49] >> Is there Wait, sorry. Okay. [00:54:50] >> Do you think there's anything wrong or [00:54:51] troubling to the fact that a majority of [00:54:53] people under the age of 30 here in the [00:54:54] state speak Spanish, not English? [00:54:56] >> Um, [00:54:57] >> is there a problem with that? [00:54:59] >> Well, yeah. Everyone should be able to [00:55:00] have a ability to communicate with the [00:55:02] rest of the crowd. [00:55:04] >> So, I I guess I don't know what the big [00:55:05] issue of that. [00:55:06] >> See, I think it's a huge problem when we [00:55:07] have a nation where you can't [00:55:09] communicate with your [00:55:09] >> fellow. Simple solution. Teach them how [00:55:11] to speak English. What is your [00:55:13] >> Yeah. And that our schools don't do that [00:55:14] actually. And also, have a better [00:55:16] solution. Don't import a bunch of people [00:55:17] that don't speak English. [00:55:19] You mean importing people who actually [00:55:20] grow the economy? [00:55:23] >> Reject I reject your premise. An [00:55:25] >> that's not a premise. That's a study [00:55:26] that's been done. [00:55:27] >> Do you know what a premise is? I don't [00:55:29] actually care as much about economic [00:55:31] growth cuz we're one nation under we're [00:55:33] one nation under GD. We're not one [00:55:34] nation under GDP. We're a nation under [00:55:36] God. And when we lose social cohesion [00:55:39] and you import a bunch of people that [00:55:40] don't share our values, that don't [00:55:42] necessarily always assimilate, that's a [00:55:44] major and serious problem. And we are a [00:55:46] we are a people first and foremost with [00:55:48] a creed. And that creed is falling [00:55:50] apart. Massigration has not helped that [00:55:52] creed. Yes, they might buy more [00:55:54] trinkets. They might help depress wages. [00:55:56] Massigration of course can help. [00:55:58] >> All good things. All great things for [00:55:59] America. [00:56:00] >> Well, they help major corporations, but [00:56:01] you know what they also do? They keep [00:56:03] down the wages of working people. If you [00:56:05] are a plumber, yes, of course. If you [00:56:06] think about it, if you're a plumber, [00:56:07] electrician, or a welder, and you have [00:56:09] to compete against someone from [00:56:10] Nicaragua who's willing to do it for [00:56:11] five bucks less an hour, that depresses [00:56:13] the wages of the American citizen, [00:56:15] >> right? Yeah. So, there's been studies [00:56:17] I've done that also like counteract [00:56:19] that. illegal immigrants. [00:56:22] I use our studies. Let's use our [00:56:25] statistics. [00:56:25] >> How about our reason? So, we've had mass [00:56:26] migration for 20 years. Have wages gone [00:56:29] up? [00:56:31] >> I I don't know. [00:56:33] >> No, they haven't actually. So, forget [00:56:34] your studies. For 10 years, we've had [00:56:37] for 10 years, we've had 30 million [00:56:38] people come into America. [00:56:39] >> Wages have gone down dramatically. Maybe [00:56:42] there's a reason why. [00:56:44] >> Okay. Okay. [00:56:46] >> So, what I encourage you to do just [00:56:48] because there's a study that confirms [00:56:50] you should use your reason and look [00:56:52] actually at self-evident truths. Be [00:56:54] like, "Huh, does that make sense? Can [00:56:56] you name [00:56:57] >> statistics are self-evident truth?" [00:56:58] >> Well, not always. Statistics are very [00:57:00] misleading. Yes. you like for example I [00:57:02] could say did you know that 600 people a [00:57:04] year die because of seat belts well [00:57:06] that's a misleading statistic because [00:57:08] over 100 thousand lives are saved by [00:57:10] seat belts that's an incomplete [00:57:11] statistic [00:57:11] >> wait okay so where where is the so [00:57:13] that's a gray area so where's the gray [00:57:15] area where people are talking about [00:57:16] where 26% of illegal immigrants who come [00:57:18] here commit less crimes than native born [00:57:20] >> okay we have how many times have we been [00:57:22] over this that's just not correct [00:57:23] >> that is correct that is correct [00:57:25] >> every single crime it doesn't [00:57:26] >> this is a study that was done in Texas [00:57:28] the most diverse second most diverse [00:57:31] Every crime an illegal commits is one [00:57:33] that should never have happened. It is a [00:57:35] period. They should not be here. So I [00:57:36] don't care about the rate. The rate is [00:57:38] irrelevant. So let me just ask one final [00:57:40] question. [00:57:40] >> It is relevant. [00:57:41] >> Someone broke into the country and cut [00:57:43] in line. What should happen to them? [00:57:45] >> Well, they get they're given ideally [00:57:48] there's a system. Ideally there's a [00:57:49] system that's merit based where these [00:57:50] people then become part of the part of [00:57:52] the the citizen like they become a legal [00:57:54] citizen. [00:57:55] >> Yeah. I mean we have clarity but not [00:57:56] agreement. I say deport them all back to [00:57:58] their country of origin and put [00:58:00] Americans first. [00:58:00] >> That's not that's not an appropriate [00:58:01] solution when [00:58:03] >> the American people voted for it and it [00:58:04] is appropriate. [00:58:05] >> It isn't appropriate because most of the [00:58:06] people that do come here illegally [00:58:08] contribute positively to society. Not [00:58:10] again, dude. Statistically, [00:58:13] everything backs this. [00:58:14] >> You're not listening to anything I'm [00:58:15] saying. And that's fine. They take jobs [00:58:17] from Americans. They depress wages. They [00:58:19] steal social security numbers. They [00:58:21] commit a crime every single day that [00:58:22] they're here. They flood our public [00:58:24] schools. They flood our social services. [00:58:26] They flood our hospitals. They are a [00:58:28] burden on the taxpayer. They should go [00:58:30] back and make their own country great [00:58:31] again and apply and become a legal [00:58:33] immigrant if they want to live here. [00:58:35] Thank you very much. [00:58:36] >> Thank you.