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[00:00:00] America has one great ally in the world,
[00:00:03] its chief ally. By some calculations,
[00:00:05] maybe its only real ally, and that's the
[00:00:07] state of Israel. And that has been the
[00:00:09] case for a long time. In fact, so long
[00:00:12] that few people question whether that's
[00:00:14] a good idea or why exactly that is.
[00:00:16] Everyone knows our closest ally is
[00:00:18] Israel. And we have all kinds of
[00:00:20] military and economic ties to Israel.
[00:00:23] But the main way, you know, Israel is
[00:00:25] our closest ally is that really up until
[00:00:28] just the other day, there was not a
[00:00:30] scenario you could conjure in your head
[00:00:32] in which the United States would take
[00:00:34] the side of any other country over
[00:00:35] Israel. It just couldn't happen. So,
[00:00:38] Israel is our chief ally. Hasn't always
[00:00:40] been this way. Of course, Israel didn't
[00:00:42] exist until right after the Second World
[00:00:44] War. So, it's all pretty new and it's
[00:00:46] accelerated with every decade. We've
[00:00:47] become closer and closer to Israel. our
[00:00:49] commitment, not our legal commitment or
[00:00:51] publicly discussed commitment, but our
[00:00:53] in effect commitment, our on the ground
[00:00:56] commitment to Israel has become stronger
[00:00:57] every year. But there's no reason that
[00:01:00] should stay the way it is forever. What
[00:01:03] if we decided to change it up? What if
[00:01:05] we decided to get a new closest ally in
[00:01:08] the world? How about Qatar? What if
[00:01:11] Qatar was our closest ally?
[00:01:14] Float that one at the next dinner party
[00:01:16] you go to. People will respond strongly,
[00:01:19] especially if they're Fox News viewers.
[00:01:21] WHAT ARE YOU AN ISLAMIST? QATAR, the
[00:01:25] bloodthirsty Islamopfascist state. What
[00:01:29] are you getting paid by the Qatar lobby?
[00:01:31] Aquac.
[00:01:33] Of course, there is no actual Aquac, but
[00:01:35] if there was a Qar lobby, it should be
[00:01:37] called Aquac.
[00:01:40] And then you would be forced to explain
[00:01:42] why Qatar should be our closest ally.
[00:01:45] And of course, people would look at you
[00:01:46] like you were insane. In fact, dangerous
[00:01:48] and probably anti-American.
[00:01:50] But let's just take guitar out of it for
[00:01:52] a second. How do you think about if
[00:01:55] you're the United States, who ought to
[00:01:56] be your closest ally? Who gets that job?
[00:01:59] Who do you take to the prom?
[00:02:01] And it depends on how you think about
[00:02:03] it. If you think about it through the
[00:02:04] lens of American interest, which is to
[00:02:05] say, what's good for us?
[00:02:08] Then it's a very different picture.
[00:02:09] What's good for us? Well, you would want
[00:02:10] a country that had, I don't know,
[00:02:12] natural resources that you might want to
[00:02:14] have access to. Energy probably first
[00:02:18] and foremost, but maybe not. Minerals,
[00:02:20] too. But certainly energy, oil and gas,
[00:02:22] cuz we need them despite what they may
[00:02:24] tell you to continue our civilization
[00:02:26] and to be strong and prosperous. So, a
[00:02:28] big energy supply would be important. A
[00:02:30] powerful military might also help. And
[00:02:32] to have a powerful military, of course,
[00:02:33] you need a big population to man the
[00:02:35] military, as Ukraine, unfortunately, is
[00:02:38] finding out now. It helps to have a lot
[00:02:39] of people. So, there are a couple of
[00:02:41] different countries you might throw out
[00:02:43] there. If you were looking purely
[00:02:44] through the lens of what's good for the
[00:02:46] United States, an America first
[00:02:47] perspective, the most obvious, of
[00:02:49] course, would be Russia. Russia. Why?
[00:02:52] Because it's the biggest country in the
[00:02:53] world. It's the biggest land mass in the
[00:02:55] world. And it has enormous
[00:02:58] mineral deposits, energy deposits. It's
[00:03:00] got a lot of oil and gas and gold and
[00:03:02] everything else you need to run a
[00:03:04] society. And it also has a formidable
[00:03:07] military, by far the biggest on that
[00:03:09] continent, on the European continent,
[00:03:11] and huge manufacturing capacity. So like
[00:03:14] if you needed an ally to help you in a
[00:03:16] conflict or if you needed a country in
[00:03:18] which to stage a fight with some other
[00:03:21] country, a place to put air bases for
[00:03:22] example, Russia would be like the best,
[00:03:25] of course. But we can't be allied with
[00:03:28] Russia because Russia's bad. They're
[00:03:29] immoral. They're bad. You might also
[00:03:32] say, "Well, Venezuela. Why Venezuela?
[00:03:36] Well, because they have the largest
[00:03:37] proven oil reserves in the world.
[00:03:39] They're in our hemisphere.
[00:03:42] I don't know. Lots of natural resources.
[00:03:43] It's right there. Why not make them a
[00:03:45] big ally? Talk about a place for
[00:03:47] military bases and trade. And that might
[00:03:49] help us. They've got a lot that we might
[00:03:52] benefit from if we wanted to help our
[00:03:54] country. You can't. They're bad. They're
[00:03:56] so bad. We're going to invade them.
[00:03:58] They're so immoral. We have to go to war
[00:04:00] with them. We cannot be allies with
[00:04:01] them. We have to fight them. That's how
[00:04:04] immoral they are. H okay. Well, at a
[00:04:08] certain point you get to places like, I
[00:04:09] don't know, Equatorial Guinea, you know,
[00:04:12] probably not a beacon of democracy.
[00:04:14] Small country, tons of energy, though.
[00:04:16] And then the more obvious ones like
[00:04:18] Saudi Arabia or UAE or Bahrain, Oman,
[00:04:22] Kuwait, the rest of the Gulf States,
[00:04:24] like those might all be good. We don't
[00:04:26] have their same form of government.
[00:04:28] Those are all monarchies. Six monarchies
[00:04:30] clustered next to each other. All of
[00:04:31] them have a ton of energy and they're
[00:04:33] all pretty pro-American and they're in
[00:04:35] an important part of the world. So, it's
[00:04:37] not a matter of being a Qatari
[00:04:39] nationalist or trying to promote Qatar.
[00:04:41] As you think about who should be an ally
[00:04:44] of your nation, you think about your
[00:04:46] nation. What's good for us? How do we
[00:04:48] serve our people, our citizens, the
[00:04:50] people who voted for us who pay for all
[00:04:51] of this? Like, what's in their interest?
[00:04:54] And guitar just seems like an obvious
[00:04:55] one, but it doesn't have to be the only
[00:04:57] one. And the only reason we're choosing
[00:04:58] it tonight is because there's so much
[00:05:02] falseeness about Qar.
[00:05:04] If you watch Fox News, you know Qatar is
[00:05:06] evil and they're secretly running the
[00:05:08] United States. They probably don't tell
[00:05:09] you that their owner was just in Qatar
[00:05:10] trying to raise money, which is not an
[00:05:13] attack on their owner. It's mere merely
[00:05:16] an acknowledgement of what everyone who
[00:05:17] doesn't watch Fox News all day knows,
[00:05:19] which is Qatar is part of the world. And
[00:05:22] lots of people go there. We were there
[00:05:24] two days ago. So was Hillary Clinton.
[00:05:27] So was Bill Gates looking kind of
[00:05:29] cadaavverous.
[00:05:30] And it's not because we love Hillary
[00:05:32] Clinton or Bill Gates. We were there.
[00:05:33] It's because like everyone's there. And
[00:05:34] if you want to interview people, you
[00:05:35] should probably go to Qar because
[00:05:37] everyone's there. And why is everyone
[00:05:38] there? Because it's a pretty open
[00:05:41] society because they have a lot of stuff
[00:05:43] going on and they got a lot of resources
[00:05:44] and they welcome people to talk about
[00:05:47] things in their country. That's not bad.
[00:05:48] Those are not bad things. Why are we
[00:05:50] being told Qatar is so bad? Well, of
[00:05:52] course, for the same reason we hear a
[00:05:54] lot of countries are bad because if we
[00:05:56] have other strong allies that might
[00:05:58] affect the interest of our really our
[00:06:00] only ally, which would be Israel. And
[00:06:03] so, just for fun, just like a little
[00:06:06] exercise, not an in Islamism, this is
[00:06:08] not an endorsement of Islamic terror.
[00:06:10] It's kind of interesting to go through
[00:06:12] the criteria, the facts about these
[00:06:14] countries.
[00:06:16] Compare Israel to take Qatar
[00:06:18] and you decide for yourself what you
[00:06:21] think might be a more useful ally for
[00:06:22] the United States to have, maybe even a
[00:06:24] chief ally. And these are all facts as
[00:06:28] far as we know. Of course, feel free to
[00:06:29] look them up. Check our facts against
[00:06:32] Wikipedia or whatever Graedia.
[00:06:36] Go there. By the way, you should go to
[00:06:37] Qar, wander around for a day or two.
[00:06:40] You can fly in the world's greatest
[00:06:41] airline by the way as you get there,
[00:06:42] which I Starlink the entire way. There's
[00:06:44] a lot of good stuff about Qar. Good
[00:06:46] food, nice people. But just go there.
[00:06:48] Don't don't take our word for it. If
[00:06:50] you're being told that, you know, Qar is
[00:06:52] this hellscape with slave markets and,
[00:06:54] you know, women in burkas or whatever,
[00:06:57] spend a weekend, see for yourself.
[00:06:59] You're not encouraged to do that. You're
[00:07:00] never encouraged to see anything for
[00:07:01] yourself. Don't do your own research.
[00:07:05] Trust the science. Trust our view. Trust
[00:07:07] the two-minute clip we put on Twitter.
[00:07:09] And if you don't agree with that, then
[00:07:11] you're obviously Islamist, Nazi, racist,
[00:07:14] whatever. We're going to attack your
[00:07:15] character. But for once, like, see for
[00:07:17] yourself. So, here are some of the
[00:07:19] differences between Qatar and Israel.
[00:07:22] Again, this is not an attack in Israel
[00:07:23] for sure. And it's not promoting Qar.
[00:07:26] It's just trying our best to promote our
[00:07:29] country, which could use allies right
[00:07:31] about now. So, the first is resources.
[00:07:33] And Israel has basically no resources at
[00:07:36] all. I mean, its gasoline comes from
[00:07:38] Azarbaian. I mean it needs to import
[00:07:41] basically everything that it uses. Not
[00:07:42] everything. They've got a thriving tech
[00:07:44] sector but but for natural resources
[00:07:45] they are very very limited and that
[00:07:46] would include water.
[00:07:48] Qar has well some of the largest natural
[00:07:52] gas
[00:07:54] reserves in the world in their famous
[00:07:56] North gas field and they are the I think
[00:07:58] number one LNG exporter to Europe and
[00:08:03] one of the biggest certainly to Asia.
[00:08:05] liqufied natural gas. It's what a lot of
[00:08:07] the world runs on. It's also where a lot
[00:08:10] of consumer products come from because
[00:08:11] it's converted to plastics,
[00:08:14] polyethylene, and many other things. So,
[00:08:16] like having a lot of natural gas is not
[00:08:18] just something that makes you rich. It's
[00:08:20] something that is really good for your
[00:08:22] country, your economy, and it can help
[00:08:24] your friends. So, that's the first thing
[00:08:26] to know. Qatar has a ton of natural
[00:08:29] resources. Israel has no natural
[00:08:32] resources. Okay. The second thing to
[00:08:35] know is that Qatar is a very
[00:08:38] enthusiastic investor in the United
[00:08:40] States. So that's being spun as a bad
[00:08:42] thing. They're trying to take over our
[00:08:43] society. Now, if you've been in the US
[00:08:46] recently and wandered around and noticed
[00:08:48] it becoming marketkedly more Qatari,
[00:08:50] send us an email and tell us where you
[00:08:52] went cuz we haven't noticed that.
[00:08:53] Actually, Qatar is in fact quite a
[00:08:56] socially conservative society in
[00:08:59] contrast to say Tel Aviv, which has got
[00:09:01] to be the world capital for drag queen
[00:09:03] story hours. Qar is the opposite of
[00:09:06] that. Yes, women are not covered and can
[00:09:09] drive and go out without an escort and
[00:09:11] all that stuff you hear about taking
[00:09:13] place in the Gulf. doesn't actually take
[00:09:14] place in the Gulf anymore, but it
[00:09:16] definitely doesn't take place in Qar,
[00:09:17] which by regional standards is very
[00:09:19] liberal, but by American, Western
[00:09:21] standards is actually pretty
[00:09:22] traditional. So, they don't have a lot
[00:09:24] of pride parades in Qar. Let's see none.
[00:09:28] Qatari diplomats, ask them. Ask anybody
[00:09:31] when they're posted to the West, US,
[00:09:33] Canada, Great Britain, they send their
[00:09:35] kids to Christian schools because not
[00:09:37] because they're Christian, they're
[00:09:38] Muslims, but because they're more
[00:09:40] socially conservative.
[00:09:42] They don't have government subsidized
[00:09:44] abortion on demand in Qatar as Israel
[00:09:48] does. They basically have in a lot of
[00:09:51] ways the same social values at broadly
[00:09:55] speaking, of course, they're not
[00:09:56] Christian, they're Muslim, but broadly
[00:09:59] speaking, very similar social values to
[00:10:02] a lot of Trump voters. There's a big
[00:10:04] emphasis on marriage and spending time
[00:10:06] with your family. I'm not trying to talk
[00:10:07] it up too much. It's different. It's not
[00:10:08] my culture,
[00:10:11] but I guess the point is if Qar was
[00:10:14] really in charge of our culture, it
[00:10:16] wouldn't look like this [laughter]
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[00:11:31] but they're investing in a lot of
[00:11:32] businesses. Qatar has pledged $500
[00:11:34] billion in investment. I think they put
[00:11:36] about 150 billion in so far. We'll see
[00:11:39] if they make good on the other 350
[00:11:41] billion, but 150 is a lot. You can say
[00:11:44] that's a bad thing, but tell us how and
[00:11:46] why. Unless they're subverting our
[00:11:49] values to make them more cuttery or
[00:11:51] whatever. Unless Aquac has been
[00:11:54] subverting our values.
[00:11:56] Probably not bad to have other people
[00:11:58] invest in your country, especially on
[00:12:00] the brink of a recession, maybe. How
[00:12:02] much does Israel invest in the country?
[00:12:04] Well, actually, Israel's on the other
[00:12:06] side of the ledger. Israel is a massive,
[00:12:08] massive net cost to the United States if
[00:12:10] you're not just the famous $3 billion.
[00:12:13] It's only $3 billion, but the cost of
[00:12:16] defending, backstopping that country in
[00:12:18] every conflict in which it enters, which
[00:12:20] is like at this point more than half a
[00:12:23] dozen. I mean, where are they not having
[00:12:24] a war? Who's paying for that? Well, we
[00:12:26] are. We are. every single year going
[00:12:30] back well almost 80 years every single
[00:12:33] one trillions of dollars spent
[00:12:35] prosecuting wars on Israel's behalf or
[00:12:39] wars that we waged at the behest of
[00:12:42] Israel including the Iraq war including
[00:12:45] whatever that was in Syria including the
[00:12:48] regime change war they are pushing the
[00:12:50] United States government to have in Iran
[00:12:52] those are costs now you could argue well
[00:12:55] we need to because those wars make us
[00:12:57] safer in case you're feeling a lot safer
[00:12:59] than you did before 9/11.
[00:13:02] So I guess but just in pure dollar
[00:13:05] terms, one country is a huge cost to the
[00:13:08] United States Treasury and the other is
[00:13:11] a net addition. So that's one
[00:13:12] difference. You you want allies to help
[00:13:14] you once in a while. So let's say you
[00:13:16] have a war, especially one they asked
[00:13:17] you to get into. You'd want them to send
[00:13:20] a lot of their troops or at least a
[00:13:21] symbolic number of their troops. How
[00:13:22] about no troops ever? Really? Maybe I
[00:13:26] got that wrong. Maybe a troop or two
[00:13:28] went advisers or something, but
[00:13:30] basically no real help in any of these
[00:13:32] wars. H not attacking Israel here, by
[00:13:36] the way. As always, they're doing what
[00:13:38] they think is best for them, which is
[00:13:39] great. Godspeed.
[00:13:42] But if we're going to do what's best for
[00:13:44] us, someone's going to have to explain
[00:13:46] why that's best for us, cuz it's not
[00:13:49] obviously best for us.
[00:13:52] So then you really get to the question
[00:13:53] of
[00:13:56] values and morals. This is the
[00:13:58] conversation that's happening right now.
[00:14:01] And the idea is that you're not allowed
[00:14:02] to have the conversation that we're
[00:14:03] having right now because Qatar is just
[00:14:05] so morally repulsive. It's like Russia
[00:14:07] or Venezuela that even to consider to
[00:14:10] talk about to throw up the possibility
[00:14:12] of having an alliance with such a
[00:14:13] country. It' be like maybe we should go
[00:14:15] to vacation in North Korea. I mean
[00:14:17] you're a freak. You're some kind of
[00:14:19] outlaw.
[00:14:21] How could you want that? You defending
[00:14:23] Stalin again?
[00:14:25] They're trying to make the possibility,
[00:14:27] the notion so far out and discredited
[00:14:29] that no one has the brass to even bring
[00:14:32] it up.
[00:14:34] And the truth is, it's pretty hard to
[00:14:36] defend any system other than the
[00:14:38] American system at its best if you're an
[00:14:41] American. Cuz it's our system. We like
[00:14:43] our system. I like our system. I don't
[00:14:45] want even a parliamentary system like
[00:14:47] they have in the UK or Canada. Why would
[00:14:49] you want that? I like the American
[00:14:51] system. So, it's not a matter of
[00:14:53] preferring somebody else's system over
[00:14:55] ours.
[00:14:57] It's merely a matter of batting down
[00:15:00] some of the absurd lies.
[00:15:03] So, Qatar, like every country in that
[00:15:05] region, the six Gulf monarchies, the
[00:15:08] fabled GCC, every one of those countries
[00:15:11] is an Islamic state. Islam is the
[00:15:13] official religion of the country. And so
[00:15:16] in all of those countries, it's probably
[00:15:18] a bad idea, illegal, if not
[00:15:20] unacceptable, or some variety of the two
[00:15:23] to run around trying to convert people
[00:15:25] to say Christianity. If you show up in
[00:15:26] downtown Doha with a bullhorn and a sign
[00:15:28] that says repent and turn to Jesus,
[00:15:30] probably somebody at some point's going
[00:15:32] to at least politely or maybe not tell
[00:15:34] you to knock it off because this is an
[00:15:35] Islamic country. By the way, the same
[00:15:36] thing is true in Israel. Not attacking
[00:15:38] Israel. It's a Jewish state. They don't
[00:15:41] want you showing up in Israel and trying
[00:15:42] to convert a lot of Israelis to
[00:15:43] Christianity. They don't that was
[00:15:45] illegal. I don't know if it still is or
[00:15:47] not, but it's certainly discouraged. And
[00:15:49] the same is true in the Gulf, in Qatar,
[00:15:53] for example.
[00:15:54] But if the deeper question is where do
[00:15:58] Christians feel more comfortable
[00:16:00] in Qatar or Israel, I mean, it's sort of
[00:16:03] hard to know what people actually think.
[00:16:04] So maybe the best way to measure that is
[00:16:07] by where they live. So there are twice
[00:16:11] as many Christians living in Qatar as
[00:16:14] there are in Israel. Twice as many at
[00:16:16] least twice as many. Did you know that?
[00:16:20] Again, not promoting Qar. I'm not moving
[00:16:23] there. But there are twice as many
[00:16:25] Christians living there. So if it's like
[00:16:27] an ISIS state where people are beheaded
[00:16:29] for proclaiming the name of Jesus, why
[00:16:31] are there twice as many in Qar as there
[00:16:33] are in Israel?
[00:16:36] And why are there so many Christian
[00:16:38] churches in Qar? All or at least most on
[00:16:41] land granted to them by the government.
[00:16:44] Again, not promoting Qar, just saying if
[00:16:47] you're telling me that this is a country
[00:16:48] whose values are so far from mine that
[00:16:51] even to go there is a crime of some
[00:16:54] kind,
[00:16:56] you're lying. Or we have very different
[00:16:58] values. Extremely different values. So
[00:17:02] why are they telling me that?
[00:17:05] They're telling me that because the
[00:17:07] status quo works for Israel.
[00:17:13] It works. So if there's any other
[00:17:15] country that might displace it with whom
[00:17:18] we might form a stronger or as strong
[00:17:20] alliance, if there's a rival for that
[00:17:23] loyalty, it's a massive threat to them.
[00:17:26] And by the way, I understand that this
[00:17:28] is a tiny country involved in a lot of
[00:17:30] conflicts that has basically no real
[00:17:34] allies other than the United States. So
[00:17:36] I hate to use the word because it's
[00:17:37] overused, but this is existential for
[00:17:39] Israel. This is a huge deal for them.
[00:17:41] It's not just a matter of preference.
[00:17:42] This is like a lifeline. And so you get
[00:17:45] it. You absolutely get it. But at some
[00:17:47] point our interest, the interest of the
[00:17:49] country of 350 million do have to play a
[00:17:51] role in this calculation.
[00:17:54] And by that measure, this is not a good
[00:17:56] deal for the United States because on
[00:17:58] the final question, this is the one that
[00:18:00] matters most, war. There is a massive
[00:18:04] difference.
[00:18:05] Israel, as noted, is involved in at le,
[00:18:08] you know, half a dozen conflicts around
[00:18:10] the world
[00:18:12] in various stages,
[00:18:15] and the United States is effectively
[00:18:16] paying for all of them. Qatar, this
[00:18:20] terror state
[00:18:22] is full-time involved in actively
[00:18:26] involved in paying for resolving a lot
[00:18:30] of those conflicts, including conflicts
[00:18:31] not even in its own region like in
[00:18:33] Eastern Europe, the Ukraine Russia
[00:18:34] conflict. Where do you think those peace
[00:18:37] talks, those especially the non-public
[00:18:39] negotiations, where do those take place?
[00:18:41] Dohaqar. Why? Because they're willing to
[00:18:44] host them. That's why. And so if you
[00:18:48] have one country that's
[00:18:51] every week it seems like is bombing
[00:18:54] someone or declaring someone else a
[00:18:56] sworn enemy for eternity and using
[00:18:59] American tax dollars to fight those
[00:19:02] conflicts. And then another country
[00:19:06] which whatever its motives almost
[00:19:08] doesn't matter is
[00:19:11] trying to resolve conflict and just get
[00:19:13] back to commerce coexistence.
[00:19:17] Which is a better ally? Are you joking?
[00:19:22] So if you've gotten to this point in the
[00:19:24] video and not turned it off muttering
[00:19:27] OSAMA BIN LADEN SYMPATHIZER, ARE YOU
[00:19:29] AL-QAEDA? ARE YOU A MUSLIM?
[00:19:32] NOPE. None of those things.
[00:19:35] Then
[00:19:37] here is the punchline. The idea that
[00:19:39] Qatar should be our greatest ally.
[00:19:42] Donald Trump seems to agree.
[00:19:45] What? Why have I not heard that before?
[00:19:49] because no one screaming about Qatar has
[00:19:51] any interest in telling you the truth
[00:19:53] which is that Donald Trump who was
[00:19:55] elected on a peace program and it's been
[00:19:59] a little tougher than expected to make
[00:20:00] good on that but still means it
[00:20:03] Donald Trump has taken sides in the
[00:20:06] Qatar Israel dispute and it is actually
[00:20:10] more than a dispute it became a military
[00:20:12] conflict in September on September 9th
[00:20:16] Israel bombed Qatar bomb Qatar
[00:20:19] Qatar, by the way, is the site, in case
[00:20:21] you're wondering if they were an ally or
[00:20:23] not, of the largest US air base in the
[00:20:26] entire region, right outside Doha. There
[00:20:30] like 10,000ish
[00:20:32] American troops who live in Qatar. They
[00:20:35] bear a lot of cost for that, by the way.
[00:20:37] It's pretty nice thing to do. It makes
[00:20:38] you a target when you have an American
[00:20:39] military base, but they have the largest
[00:20:42] in the whole region. So, they're a by
[00:20:44] definition close ally.
[00:20:45] Israel bombs them, kills people in
[00:20:48] downtown Doha, like walking distance
[00:20:50] from the Amir's house,
[00:20:53] and doesn't apologize for it. And why
[00:20:56] they do that? Because Donald Trump was
[00:20:59] working to bring peace between Iran and
[00:21:02] Israel. And Israel didn't want that at
[00:21:04] all. And so they tried to murder the
[00:21:08] negotiators in that round of peace talks
[00:21:12] from Hamas in Doha.
[00:21:16] And then they tried to tell the world
[00:21:17] that actually Trump signed off on this.
[00:21:19] You know, Trump knew totally false.
[00:21:23] Trump did not know. Not only they do
[00:21:24] this, they tried to implicate Trump in
[00:21:26] it. And he responded a couple of weeks
[00:21:29] later with an executive order that I'm
[00:21:30] going to throw on my glasses and read
[00:21:32] this because it's I I bet not one in a
[00:21:34] hundred people know knows this even
[00:21:36] happened.
[00:21:37] So this was at the end of September this
[00:21:39] year. Listen to this. He signed an
[00:21:42] executive order and this is verbatim
[00:21:43] called the assuring the security of the
[00:21:46] state of Qatar. [laughter] So next time
[00:21:48] you hear someone on Fox News BE LIKE THE
[00:21:50] TERROR STATE OF QATAR. IF ONLY TRUMP
[00:21:52] KNEW, RIGHT? assuring the security of
[00:21:55] the state of Qar and we're quoting over
[00:21:56] the years the United States and the
[00:21:58] state of Qar have been bound together by
[00:22:00] close cooperation shared interests and
[00:22:02] the close relationship between our armed
[00:22:04] forces the state of Qatar has hosted
[00:22:07] United States forces enabled critical
[00:22:09] security operations and stood as a
[00:22:11] steadfast ally in pursuit of peace
[00:22:13] stability and prosperity both in the
[00:22:14] Middle East and abroad including as a
[00:22:16] mediator that has assisted the United
[00:22:18] States attempts to resolve significant
[00:22:21] regional and global conflicts Listen to
[00:22:23] this. In recognition of this history and
[00:22:26] in light of the continuing threats to
[00:22:28] the state of Qar posed by foreign
[00:22:30] aggression, it is the policy of the US
[00:22:33] to guarantee the security and
[00:22:35] territorial integrity of the state of
[00:22:37] Qar against external attack. The United
[00:22:40] States shall regard any armed attack on
[00:22:43] the territory, sovereignty or critical
[00:22:44] infrastructure of the state of Qatar as
[00:22:46] a threat to the peace and security of
[00:22:47] the United States.
[00:22:50] Oh,
[00:22:52] wait a second.
[00:22:54] What was the last act of foreign
[00:22:56] aggression against Qatar? Well, it
[00:22:58] happened that exact same month. It was a
[00:22:59] bombing by Israel.
[00:23:01] So, Israel bombs Qar and Donald Trump
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[00:23:07] do that again, reading by the language
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[00:24:42] >> Donald Trump took the side of Qatar over
[00:24:44] and above Israel and told Israel and who
[00:24:48] knows if he'd actually do it. Hard to
[00:24:49] believe, but it's in the executive
[00:24:51] order.
[00:24:53] If you do this again,
[00:24:55] that's tantamount to an attack on us.
[00:24:57] That's a security guarantee.
[00:25:00] That's unbelievable.
[00:25:02] So keep that in mind because there are
[00:25:04] an awful lot of Trump voters, really
[00:25:05] nice, sincere people who are still upset
[00:25:09] about 9/11. The residue is still in
[00:25:11] their mouth. That part of the world did
[00:25:13] it to us. Islam did it to us. And anyone
[00:25:17] who wants to have a normal relationship
[00:25:18] with an Islamic country is probably pro-
[00:25:20] al-Qaeda.
[00:25:23] I get it. I get it. I I you know, I know
[00:25:25] those feelings. Had them. But here's
[00:25:28] Donald Trump, the guy that you voted
[00:25:29] for, taking Qatar's side against Israel.
[00:25:32] And why is that? Because Donald Trump is
[00:25:34] a secret Islamist. No,
[00:25:37] because Qatar is a lot better for the
[00:25:40] United States than Israel has been. A
[00:25:44] lot better by any measure. And if you
[00:25:46] disagree, what what tell me a way in
[00:25:50] which Israel has been better for the
[00:25:51] United States than Qatar. You can say,
[00:25:54] well, what about Jerusalem? And that's
[00:25:55] an excellent point. There's no city in
[00:25:57] the world more important or more
[00:25:59] beautiful, more humming with spiritual
[00:26:02] energy than Jerusalem. But Jerusalem
[00:26:05] existed before the state of Israel
[00:26:08] existed. And it will, God willing, be
[00:26:11] there forever. So that's a distinct
[00:26:14] thing, right? That's a historical and
[00:26:18] spiritual site. Has nothing to do with
[00:26:20] the government of Israel. But the tell
[00:26:22] me how the government of Israel has been
[00:26:24] better for us than the government of
[00:26:25] Qatar. But of course you can't. So you
[00:26:28] you've got two options. A you can scream
[00:26:31] at people and call them Islamists and
[00:26:33] say you're not really a Christian. You
[00:26:35] must be worshiping Allah or something.
[00:26:38] You're a suicide bomber if you go to
[00:26:40] Doha.
[00:26:42] And that, you know, that intimidates the
[00:26:43] crap out of a lot of people and they're
[00:26:44] like, "It's not worth it. Never mind.
[00:26:45] I'll be quiet." But over time that
[00:26:48] doesn't work. Or
[00:26:51] you can drop politics and statecraftraft
[00:26:53] and national interest. You can just
[00:26:55] change the terms completely of the
[00:26:56] conversation. You can stop talking about
[00:26:59] what's best for your country
[00:27:02] because neocons are never going to win
[00:27:04] if those the terms of the debate. What's
[00:27:06] best for our country? They're not even
[00:27:07] contestants in that. They have no
[00:27:09] interest in what's best for our country.
[00:27:10] Of course,
[00:27:12] but you can change the conversation to
[00:27:15] theology
[00:27:17] and you can just say it point blank. God
[00:27:20] demands that you support the government
[00:27:23] of Benjamin Netanyahu. Now, who would be
[00:27:26] vulgar and dumb and reckless enough to
[00:27:29] say something like that? Who would
[00:27:31] actually invoke God himself
[00:27:34] to justify a political alliance with a
[00:27:38] foreign country?
[00:27:40] Man, you'd have to be someone who's not
[00:27:42] worried at all about the afterlife to
[00:27:44] say something like that because that is
[00:27:45] a reckless thing to say. And if you've
[00:27:47] already guessed Ted Cruz, you're
[00:27:49] absolutely right.
[00:27:53] Watch. I will tell you there is a
[00:27:56] movement among Christians,
[00:27:59] particularly young Christians.
[00:28:03] The public polling numbers of support
[00:28:05] for Israel among young Christians is
[00:28:07] plummeting.
[00:28:08] And they're being spread lies.
[00:28:11] They're being spread lies, isolationist
[00:28:14] lies that we should withdraw from the
[00:28:16] world because nobody wants to hurt us.
[00:28:20] >> But they're also being spread
[00:28:22] theological lies.
[00:28:24] They are being taught replacement
[00:28:27] theology,
[00:28:30] >> which is a lie that the promises God
[00:28:33] made to Israel and the people of Israel
[00:28:36] are somehow no longer good. They are no
[00:28:38] longer valid. that when God made a
[00:28:40] promise, he didn't mean the promise he
[00:28:42] made.
[00:28:45] And instead, it is an argument that the
[00:28:47] Christian church has replaced Israel and
[00:28:50] the Jews, and the Jews are no longer
[00:28:52] God's chosen people. And all of the
[00:28:54] promises throughout the Bible are now a
[00:28:56] dead letter. The church need to engage
[00:28:59] and say, "The Bible is not silent on
[00:29:01] Israel. The Bible is crystal clear on
[00:29:04] Israel." and in the church we will stand
[00:29:08] and fight.
[00:29:11] >> Man,
[00:29:13] you know, it's one thing to get all
[00:29:14] worked up at the, you know, Waco Rotary
[00:29:17] Club about issues related to Texas, but,
[00:29:21] you know, here you have a guy who's deep
[00:29:23] into the things that actually matter,
[00:29:25] the questions of what happens after we
[00:29:26] die and what's true and and he has no
[00:29:30] idea what he's talking about. Like
[00:29:32] literally no clue. And I'm not guessing.
[00:29:33] I'm not attacking the man's faith. I'm
[00:29:35] just remembering very vividly because it
[00:29:37] was this summer. When I asked that same
[00:29:40] guy, Ted Cruz,
[00:29:42] okay, where does where specifically does
[00:29:45] the Bible tell Christians that they have
[00:29:47] to support Israel? And he had no idea.
[00:29:52] He meant to misquote a phrase in
[00:29:54] Genesis, but he couldn't even name the
[00:29:57] book. And by the way, most people
[00:29:59] couldn't. And it doesn't even mean that,
[00:30:01] but whatever. If you're going to have a
[00:30:04] theology about it, shouldn't you know
[00:30:06] where it is in the Bible? Shouldn't you
[00:30:08] be fluent in it? No. Because it's all
[00:30:10] fake. It doesn't mean anything. But he
[00:30:12] says it anyway. And this topic actually
[00:30:15] matters
[00:30:17] because it deals not simply with the
[00:30:19] fate of nations, but the fate of humans.
[00:30:23] It's real. So to talk like that,
[00:30:27] the Bible is crystal clear on Israel.
[00:30:31] Okay.
[00:30:33] What is Israel as defined by the Bible?
[00:30:35] I asked him that question too. What what
[00:30:37] does the word mean? What does it refer
[00:30:38] to? Yes, there are a lot of references
[00:30:40] to Israel and to God's love for his
[00:30:42] people, the Israelites, the Jews for
[00:30:44] sure.
[00:30:46] But in 2025, what exactly does that
[00:30:50] correspond to?
[00:30:52] Israel. And he kept looking at me.
[00:30:53] Israel, it's Israel. Huckabe says
[00:30:56] Israel. I S U L. Okay, got it. Can you
[00:31:01] define that for me? Is it the modern
[00:31:05] secular nation state of Israel?
[00:31:08] The drag drag queen story hour in Tel
[00:31:11] Aviv state of Israel. And and what
[00:31:13] borders does that include? The West
[00:31:14] Bank, Judea, and Samaria? Does that
[00:31:15] include Gaza? Does that go all the way
[00:31:17] to Iraq? I mean, like, what are we
[00:31:19] talking about here?
[00:31:22] SHUT UP. THE BIBLE'S CRYSTAL CLEAR.
[00:31:24] WELL, it's of course it's not. But one
[00:31:26] thing the New Testament is crystal clear
[00:31:28] about because it's in every book on
[00:31:30] every page is that the way to God is
[00:31:34] through Jesus.
[00:31:35] And there aren't any caveats
[00:31:38] that I've seen. I'm no theology student.
[00:31:40] I'm no Ted Cruz. But in every page, it's
[00:31:44] the same point. The way to God is
[00:31:47] through Jesus. And by the way, these are
[00:31:50] Jews speaking as the early Christians
[00:31:51] were. And they were speaking to Jews, to
[00:31:53] their fellow Jews.
[00:31:56] And they were saying the way to God,
[00:31:58] repent of what you're doing now and turn
[00:31:59] to Jesus. That's what they were saying.
[00:32:01] Maybe Ted Cruz has another analysis of
[00:32:03] it.
[00:32:05] But there's an entire New Testament
[00:32:09] about this one question. And by the way,
[00:32:12] if if that's wrong, explain how. But of
[00:32:16] course, they never will. They never will
[00:32:18] explain how because they don't care. And
[00:32:22] by the way, there are
[00:32:25] evangelical Christians in the United
[00:32:26] States who have a fully developed
[00:32:28] theology on this question. I don't
[00:32:31] understand it and to the extent I do, I
[00:32:32] don't agree with it. But I don't hate
[00:32:34] them. I know that I said I did once. I
[00:32:35] was just frustrated and I'm sorry. And
[00:32:37] most of them are really nice people.
[00:32:39] But I think any person reading a
[00:32:43] conventional interpretation of the New
[00:32:45] Testament would conclude the central
[00:32:47] really the only unchanging command
[00:32:50] throughout the entire thing
[00:32:53] from Matthew to Revelation is believe in
[00:32:56] Jesus. Everybody. Everybody. There are
[00:32:58] no
[00:33:00] there no special deals described at all.
[00:33:03] Everybody believes in Jesus. And that's
[00:33:06] how you get to God. And people who don't
[00:33:08] aren't going to live forever.
[00:33:11] And I don't see another way. But people
[00:33:14] like Ted Cruz, of course, are not
[00:33:15] interested in debating theology because
[00:33:16] he didn't even know what book it was in.
[00:33:18] They're interested in shutting down any
[00:33:21] conversation on what's in America's
[00:33:23] interest, making it a theological
[00:33:25] conversation. And why are they
[00:33:27] interested in doing that? Because the
[00:33:29] last justification
[00:33:32] for supporting Israel above all other
[00:33:34] countries has evaporated. And what is
[00:33:36] that? It's the claim that Israel is a
[00:33:40] uniquely moral nation. And that's why
[00:33:43] Christianity and also Old Testament
[00:33:45] Judaism is so often invoked. People, the
[00:33:48] book, People of God, no one would
[00:33:50] contest that. But what does that have to
[00:33:53] do with what Benjamin Netanyahu is doing
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[00:35:20] The unique decency of Israel is the
[00:35:25] reason they are our only real ally.
[00:35:29] And the problem is that what's happened
[00:35:31] in Gaza over the last two years has
[00:35:34] shown that not only is that not true,
[00:35:36] it's very close to the opposite of the
[00:35:38] truth.
[00:35:40] Now, a lot of us have spent a lot of
[00:35:41] time doing our best to ignore what's
[00:35:43] happening in Gaza on the grounds that
[00:35:46] kind of not our fight. Yes, there are
[00:35:47] weapons. Yes, we're paying for all of
[00:35:49] it. Yes, we're giving them cover at the
[00:35:50] United Nations. Yes, they're really kind
[00:35:52] of doing this in our name. BB is running
[00:35:54] around the world saying, "I've got Trump
[00:35:55] in my pocket. I can do whatever I want.
[00:35:58] Trump will defend me. He's told a lot of
[00:35:59] people that I control the United States
[00:36:02] Congress. I control the White House. I
[00:36:04] control the US. He's said that on tape.
[00:36:06] If you haven't seen it, look it up. But
[00:36:08] a lot of us have thought, look, got
[00:36:10] enough problems. Don't want to get into
[00:36:11] it. But if you ever do look into what's
[00:36:14] happened in Gaza since October 7th,
[00:36:18] it's shocking. Now, it's not the only
[00:36:20] atrocity on the planet. The Israeli
[00:36:23] government is not the only bad
[00:36:25] government. Tons of bad governments. I
[00:36:27] covered the Liberian civil war in ' 06.
[00:36:28] There are a lot of bad governments,
[00:36:30] okay?
[00:36:31] But among so-called civilized
[00:36:33] governments, no one has behaved like the
[00:36:35] Israeli government has behaved in Gaza
[00:36:37] in a very long time. 80 years at least,
[00:36:40] it's almost unbelievable.
[00:36:42] Tens of thousands of children killed by
[00:36:46] a country with the most precise military
[00:36:48] technology in the world. A country that
[00:36:50] somehow got explosive pagers into the
[00:36:52] pockets of Hezbollah leaders in Lebanon.
[00:36:55] These are people who are again
[00:36:58] worldrenowned famous for their skill and
[00:37:02] their precision.
[00:37:04] Look at the bombing attack during the
[00:37:05] 12-day war on Thrron was precise. They
[00:37:08] didn't take out downtown Tyrron. They
[00:37:11] took out IRGC leaders. They took out
[00:37:13] specific people. They knew exactly where
[00:37:15] they were.
[00:37:16] So the idea that they've killed tens of
[00:37:20] thousand tens of thousands of women and
[00:37:23] children, non-combatants
[00:37:25] accidentally is a lie. No, they murdered
[00:37:27] them. They murdered them. It's just a
[00:37:29] fact. You can call it whatever you want.
[00:37:31] Genocide. Everyone, why? It's genocide.
[00:37:33] Okay, it doesn't matter what you call
[00:37:34] it. That's murder. You're killing people
[00:37:36] on purpose. Oh, but that always happens
[00:37:38] in the world. It certainly does.
[00:37:40] Innocents die in war. That is absolutely
[00:37:42] right.
[00:37:44] But in no modern conflict in my lifetime
[00:37:48] have this many innocents died
[00:37:51] without any apology at all.
[00:37:55] So what sets you hope the United States
[00:37:57] government or has during most of my life
[00:37:59] apart from other governments,
[00:38:00] governments like the government of
[00:38:01] Israel is when we kill people who didn't
[00:38:04] do anything wrong like children,
[00:38:07] we are penitent. We apologize. Sometimes
[00:38:10] we put the people who did it as in MI
[00:38:13] for example in Vietnam on trial because
[00:38:16] we don't kill people who didn't do
[00:38:18] anything wrong. Period.
[00:38:22] And yet for over two years, Israel has
[00:38:25] murdered tens of thousands of children
[00:38:30] on purpose
[00:38:32] and then locked the doors to Gaza, shot
[00:38:36] dozens and dozens and dozens of
[00:38:38] journalists so no one can film what's
[00:38:40] happening and just leveled the place so
[00:38:43] they can move the people out and take
[00:38:44] it.
[00:38:48] What What's the justification for that?
[00:38:50] What's the excuse? Well, of course there
[00:38:52] isn't one.
[00:38:54] Again, Israel is not the only country
[00:38:56] that's behaved that way in history. Far
[00:38:58] from it, but no modern country has
[00:39:00] behaved that way in my lifetime.
[00:39:04] And so, the other day, we thought for
[00:39:06] the first time we would go see what this
[00:39:07] looks like.
[00:39:09] And so, there is, maybe this one of the
[00:39:11] reasons they hate Qatar,
[00:39:13] the government of Qar has taken in about
[00:39:16] 2,000 refugees from Gaza. they actually
[00:39:18] can't get anymore because Israel won't
[00:39:20] let them out. But there was a period at
[00:39:22] the beginning of the bombing campaign in
[00:39:23] Gaza where some people did get out. And
[00:39:26] the governor of Qar said, "Okay, we'll
[00:39:27] take him these Palestinians from Gaza
[00:39:29] and we will treat their injuries,
[00:39:30] especially the children. We'll take the
[00:39:31] kids." So they live in a compound in
[00:39:33] Doha and we went over there just to see
[00:39:36] it in between other things that we were
[00:39:38] doing, people were talking to, people
[00:39:40] were interviewing and just thought we
[00:39:41] should go see that. So we didn't bring
[00:39:43] like a regular camera. Our cameraman
[00:39:44] Kyle, who's really talented, had his
[00:39:45] iPhone cuz we didn't want to, you know,
[00:39:47] stick a camera in people's faces and
[00:39:48] like exploit the suffering of others to
[00:39:50] make a point. We were not even planning
[00:39:51] on putting this on the air. But it was
[00:39:54] so distressing.
[00:39:57] It was so shocking to see children, many
[00:40:00] of them orphaned without any family at
[00:40:01] all. All their siblings have been
[00:40:02] killed.
[00:40:04] No parents are parents have been killed
[00:40:05] or their parents are stuck in Gazi and
[00:40:06] the Israelis won't let them out. Kids
[00:40:08] with no limbs, many with mangled faces.
[00:40:11] a child with a mangled face
[00:40:15] that there were four of us, okay? Me, my
[00:40:19] business partner, who I've known my
[00:40:20] whole life, and two producers who've
[00:40:22] we've worked with for many, many years.
[00:40:23] And these are guys who've really been
[00:40:24] around like everywhere and seen other
[00:40:26] wars and seen a lot of injuries and, you
[00:40:28] know, kind of hard to rattle. And by the
[00:40:31] time I get out of there, it was just
[00:40:32] four middle-aged men staring at the
[00:40:34] forest trying not to cry. Here's part of
[00:40:36] what it looked like.
[00:40:43] Most of them are
[00:40:54] who come as a due to war. [crying]
[00:40:58] Most of them needs children with special
[00:41:02] needs or they are.
[00:41:04] >> How many have two parents?
[00:41:10] >> [crying]
[00:41:22] >> I my fever in my hand and also in my
[00:41:28] knee
[00:41:30] with my friends. I was 15 years old. My
[00:41:33] friends were like the same age. Nice.
[00:41:47] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you come back and
[00:41:50] inside and when inside
[00:41:59] >> you're a journalist.
[00:42:11] There's an awful lot we [clears throat]
[00:42:12] left out of there. Um, you know, you
[00:42:14] don't again want to exploit the
[00:42:16] suffering of others. I felt a little bit
[00:42:17] weird even filming anything. But in the
[00:42:20] end, we decided it was important because
[00:42:22] like what the hell? What the hell? All
[00:42:25] these kids with their limbs blown off.
[00:42:27] This little girl looked just like my
[00:42:28] goddaughter,
[00:42:30] you know, with no fingers. One hand and
[00:42:33] no fingers. like is she in Hamas? There
[00:42:36] are tens of thousands of those. And
[00:42:37] again, look, there's so-called
[00:42:39] collateral damage in war. I guess look
[00:42:41] at the pictures of Gaza. It's not
[00:42:42] collateral damage. They flatten the
[00:42:44] place so they could take it. And now
[00:42:46] they're trying to like force the people
[00:42:47] into other countries, including ours,
[00:42:49] including the United States. Not only do
[00:42:50] we have to pay for the war, but also
[00:42:51] take in all the survivors.
[00:42:54] Why do we have anything to do with this?
[00:42:58] But what's most shocking to me is that
[00:43:03] no one seems bothered by it. None of the
[00:43:05] people who support Israel seemed
[00:43:06] bothered by it at all. And that's the
[00:43:08] real threat. It's not just the crime,
[00:43:10] children whose faces are mangled by US
[00:43:13] munition. Cuz why? The real crime is the
[00:43:17] way that the supporters of this atrocity
[00:43:22] are justifying it.
[00:43:24] Not simply to the world, but to
[00:43:25] themselves. They're justifying it by
[00:43:28] saying out loud,
[00:43:30] "Well, they're all Hamas because they're
[00:43:33] all in Gaza,
[00:43:35] and yeah, they're kids, but if we let
[00:43:36] them grow up, they'd become Hamas, too."
[00:43:40] What they're describing is the concept
[00:43:42] of blood, guilt, and the collective
[00:43:45] punishment, and reward that naturally
[00:43:48] flows from that belief. And the belief
[00:43:50] is God favors some but not others. And
[00:43:53] that is the enemy of western
[00:43:55] civilization. That is the opposite of
[00:43:57] what Christians believe. Christians
[00:43:59] believe that every person was created as
[00:44:00] an individual by God. That's why
[00:44:02] anti-semitism is wrong. That's why Gaza
[00:44:04] is wrong. Every person is created as an
[00:44:07] individual and must be judged as an
[00:44:09] individual. We don't like what you do.
[00:44:11] We can't blow the fingers off your
[00:44:12] daughter. That's not allowed.
[00:44:16] But they think it is allowed.
[00:44:18] They're celebrating it. And in the
[00:44:20] United States, we're allowing that
[00:44:22] attitude, which is the attitude behind
[00:44:24] affirmative action, DEI, all of this,
[00:44:26] that people should be punished on the
[00:44:28] basis of how they were born or rewarded
[00:44:31] on the basis of how they were born. We
[00:44:34] are celebrating those attitudes
[00:44:36] and never more clear than in the case of
[00:44:39] Gaza. So there is a member of Congress,
[00:44:42] a new member of Congress
[00:44:44] called Randy Fine from Florida who is a
[00:44:47] passionate Zionist Fine.
[00:44:49] But Randy Fine sent out a tweet that I
[00:44:53] want to put on the screen that I've kind
[00:44:54] of never gotten over. Somebody tweeted
[00:44:57] Randy Fine a picture of a child of a
[00:44:59] baby in the rubble in Gaza and said,
[00:45:01] "How can you live with yourself? How do
[00:45:03] you sleep?"
[00:45:05] Quote quite well actually. Thanks for
[00:45:08] the pick.
[00:45:09] This is a sitting Republican member of
[00:45:11] Congress. That's fine with me. Thanks
[00:45:13] for the pick exclamation as you're
[00:45:15] looking at a dead child.
[00:45:18] When that came out, I called the speaker
[00:45:20] of the house,
[00:45:22] Mike Johnson. I said, "What? This is the
[00:45:24] Republican part. How can you allow this?
[00:45:26] How can you allow a member of Congress,
[00:45:30] a Republican, you're his overseer?
[00:45:33] You're the speaker. You're in charge of
[00:45:34] all the House Republicans. This is the
[00:45:36] Republican party." Will we laugh at a
[00:45:39] picture of a dead baby because Randy
[00:45:41] Fine thinks that child is infected with
[00:45:43] unholy blood or she's not human? She's
[00:45:45] Amalcch or something.
[00:45:48] What are we doing? This is insane.
[00:45:52] Support Israel. Great. If you're
[00:45:54] laughing at pictures of dead babies. Oh,
[00:45:59] well, we're commanded to support Israel.
[00:46:00] If this what it means to support Israel,
[00:46:03] a lot of us are out.
[00:46:05] If the United States is going to have a
[00:46:06] close relationship with Israel, if
[00:46:08] they're going to be our close or
[00:46:09] important ally or even our friend, tell
[00:46:12] me why that's good. Stop yelling at me.
[00:46:16] And whatever you do, do not celebrate
[00:46:18] the murder of children because that
[00:46:20] reveals you as the enemy of everything
[00:46:22] that's important to me and my country.
[00:46:26] And the main thing that's important is
[00:46:27] that we do not kill people who are
[00:46:30] innocent. Not simply because it's sad,
[00:46:33] but because it's an offense against our
[00:46:35] entire civilization,
[00:46:38] which is based on one idea. We will be
[00:46:41] judged as individuals, not groups, not
[00:46:43] communities or tribes, as people
[00:46:48] because God created every one of us.
[00:46:50] That is Western civilization. And Randy
[00:46:52] Fine doesn't believe it.
[00:46:55] How how can we allow this? So maybe
[00:46:58] we're being unfair to Randy Fine. Poor
[00:47:01] Piers Morgan who's taken a lot of
[00:47:03] probably well-deserved crap recently,
[00:47:04] but at least, you know, makes an effort
[00:47:06] to talk to people if he can. We
[00:47:07] immediately call Randy Fine. He called
[00:47:10] me a the worst anti-semite in American
[00:47:11] history. Right. No, no, I'm not the one
[00:47:14] who hates people based on how they were
[00:47:15] born. You are. But Piers Morgan somehow
[00:47:18] wrangled Randy Fine into an interview
[00:47:21] and just asked him point blank, "Do you
[00:47:22] believe this?" And he does. Watch. Randy
[00:47:25] Fine, when you said, "I don't give a
[00:47:27] about Gazans,"
[00:47:29] were you proud of that statement?
[00:47:31] >> Well, I think the context there is Gaza
[00:47:33] attacked Israel on October 7th. Of the
[00:47:36] thousands of people who streamed across
[00:47:38] the border to kill every man, woman, and
[00:47:41] child that they could, many of them,
[00:47:44] thousands of them were not quote unquote
[00:47:46] card carrying members of Hamas. And so
[00:47:49] when you start a war and you are losing
[00:47:52] the war, if you do not like what that is
[00:47:54] doing to you, then you surrender in that
[00:47:56] war. Gaza chose to be the enemy. Gaza
[00:47:59] chose to attack Western civilization.
[00:48:02] And no, I didn't care what happened.
[00:48:04] I've not had actually any guest, I have
[00:48:06] to be honest here, I've not had any
[00:48:08] guest who has used the phrase gazins
[00:48:11] rather than Hamas given it was
[00:48:13] specifically Hamas that perpetrated the
[00:48:16] appalling terror attacks on October the
[00:48:19] 7th. It is Hamas that has the
[00:48:21] governmental power still in Gaza. It's
[00:48:24] not the It's not the Gazan people. It's
[00:48:27] not the civilian population. Why are you
[00:48:30] deliberately conflating Gazans in
[00:48:32] totality with Hamas?
[00:48:34] >> To try to differentiate the two attempts
[00:48:37] to imply that some small percentage of
[00:48:39] Gazins support or like Hamas. That is
[00:48:42] not what the data suggests. And we
[00:48:44] should not allow us to be say these two
[00:48:47] are completely different.
[00:48:51] It's hard even to know where to begin.
[00:48:53] But we made the point.
[00:48:56] You cannot practice group punishment,
[00:48:59] collective punishment. We do not believe
[00:49:02] in blood guilt.
[00:49:04] Randy Fine is the enemy, the enemy of
[00:49:08] Western civilization. That way of
[00:49:10] thinking. And by the way, where does
[00:49:11] that line of thinking lead? Well, it
[00:49:14] leads to the Nazis, among other places,
[00:49:16] among many other examples. Of course,
[00:49:19] I'm mad at this Jew, therefore I'm going
[00:49:21] to round up all Jews. That that's where
[00:49:24] that leads. It leads to genocide and
[00:49:25] it's led to exactly that in Gaza. And we
[00:49:28] have to just say that out loud. It not
[00:49:30] only is it not anti-semitic to say that
[00:49:32] out loud, it is the prophylactic against
[00:49:35] the defense against anti-semitism. When
[00:49:38] you say no, no, no,
[00:49:40] not all people are responsible for the
[00:49:43] actions of people who share their name
[00:49:45] or language or physical location or
[00:49:47] religion or genetics. like no, every
[00:49:50] person is responsible for his own
[00:49:53] decisions and actions.
[00:49:56] We do not murder the children of people
[00:49:59] we don't like. And when we're caught
[00:50:02] murdering the children of people we
[00:50:03] don't like, we hang our head in shame
[00:50:07] and we weep and we apologize and we ask
[00:50:10] for forgiveness. We do not go on Piers
[00:50:13] Morgan and brag about it. We do not
[00:50:15] attack anybody who calls us out on it as
[00:50:18] a hater. When we've been caught
[00:50:20] justifying murdering children, we do not
[00:50:23] behave that way. And if we continue to
[00:50:25] behave that way, things will fall apart
[00:50:27] really, really fast. But unfortunately,
[00:50:28] we are behaving this way. And anyone who
[00:50:31] calls it out is treated as worse than
[00:50:33] the perpetrator of it. Oh, that's
[00:50:35] genocide. No, you're the criminal for
[00:50:37] saying that. Really, you want to live in
[00:50:39] a society that rewards the virtuous and
[00:50:43] punishes the criminals. You do not want
[00:50:46] to live in the opposite. And that's
[00:50:48] exactly where we're going really fast.
[00:50:49] So, it's important to just say it out
[00:50:51] loud.
[00:50:53] Our next guest has had a lot of
[00:50:55] experience with this exact principle.
[00:50:57] Franchesca Albanese is the US special
[00:51:00] raort to the Palestinian territories,
[00:51:03] which means she's an international
[00:51:05] overseer in those territories. that
[00:51:06] would include, of course, the West Bank
[00:51:09] uh and Gaza. And not long ago, she
[00:51:12] pointed out that what Israel is doing in
[00:51:14] Gaza is indefensible. You could call it
[00:51:17] genocide. You call it mass murder. You
[00:51:19] call it the murder of innocents. It
[00:51:21] doesn't even matter what the name is.
[00:51:22] People who did nothing wrong are being
[00:51:24] killed by the Israeli government using
[00:51:26] American tax dollars. That's a fact. We
[00:51:29] met some of them. And what happened to
[00:51:32] her next? Well, that tells you
[00:51:33] everything about where we are in a
[00:51:35] relationship with our closest ally,
[00:51:36] Franchesco Albanese, I hope, joins us
[00:51:39] now. Franchesca, thank you so much for
[00:51:40] coming on. If and I'm going to stand
[00:51:42] back and let you talk. If you would just
[00:51:44] describe what you said about what's
[00:51:47] happening in Gaza and then tell us what
[00:51:49] happened to you in the United States
[00:51:51] after you said it.
[00:51:54] >> Absolutely. Uh, thank you. Thank you,
[00:51:56] Ducker, for having me. Um, I've been a
[00:51:59] special reporter for the United Nations,
[00:52:02] not the US, [laughter] since uh, 2022.
[00:52:06] And in this role, I'm asked by the
[00:52:08] United Nations to document and report on
[00:52:11] the violations committed by Israel as
[00:52:13] the occupying power in the occupied
[00:52:15] Palestinian territory of which Gaza is a
[00:52:18] part, but it is also the West Bank and
[00:52:20] is Jerusalem. And um after after one
[00:52:24] year and a half after October 7, Israel
[00:52:27] started a brutal attack which was the
[00:52:30] fifth in 17 years against the Gaza
[00:52:33] Strip. And um five months later I
[00:52:38] suggested that what we are seeing could
[00:52:40] constitute genocide in a report that had
[00:52:44] the title anatomy of a genocide. After
[00:52:47] another six months, I said I do of that
[00:52:50] this is genocide and it's part of a
[00:52:52] colonial erasure of the Palestinian
[00:52:54] people. Israel is committing genocide
[00:52:57] because it aims to erase Palestinians
[00:53:00] presence Palestinian presence from the
[00:53:02] occupied Palestinian territory and is a
[00:53:04] long trajectory that has led us to to
[00:53:07] here. Then I looked at the in the other
[00:53:09] two reports I looked at the complicity
[00:53:12] of the private sector including many
[00:53:15] businesses many are in Europe others are
[00:53:18] in the so-called global south uh many
[00:53:21] are in the United States and the
[00:53:23] complicity that has sustained the
[00:53:25] economy of the occupation for decades
[00:53:28] and is and there are people who have
[00:53:30] profited from from this and Israel's
[00:53:32] impunity including as this economy
[00:53:35] turned genocidal during the two years of
[00:53:38] genocide. While many Israelis were
[00:53:41] losing their income, their their
[00:53:43] businesses, their livelihood, the
[00:53:44] Israeli stock exchange has kept has kept
[00:53:47] rocketing um increasing its uh its value
[00:53:51] of 213%
[00:53:54] and after this I get sanctioned by the
[00:53:58] United States. I get sanctioned for my
[00:54:01] work for my denouncing what the fact as
[00:54:05] I'm doing for the United Nations for
[00:54:08] free because I'm yes I'm a US I am a UN
[00:54:13] uh expert but I do that proono and um
[00:54:17] and yes instead of focusing on the
[00:54:20] crimes that I denounce
[00:54:23] um the United States treat me as a
[00:54:27] criminal.
[00:54:29] I mean, I I'm a little confused. I mean,
[00:54:31] I I believe you and I I've read this,
[00:54:34] but I'm just confused by it. So, did you
[00:54:38] take up arms against anyone? Did you
[00:54:40] help any armed terror group? Like, what
[00:54:42] exactly was your crime? It sounds like
[00:54:45] you were describing crimes.
[00:54:49] >> Uh, Tucker, this is my only weapon. It's
[00:54:52] a pen. It's a pen. This is what I do.
[00:54:56] And yeah, apparently it's apparently
[00:54:58] it's very dangerous, but this is what
[00:55:00] I've done. I mean, again, I I look, I've
[00:55:03] I've had a very interesting erh
[00:55:08] discussions with US officials and
[00:55:10] Congress people until this year. But
[00:55:14] then what the United States couldn't
[00:55:17] process was me pointing the finger to
[00:55:20] the prophets. So, it's okay to accuse
[00:55:22] Israel of committing crimes. No one
[00:55:24] cares apparently because this is what uh
[00:55:26] Amnesty International, Human Rights
[00:55:28] Watch, Palestinian human rights
[00:55:30] organizations and Israeli human rights
[00:55:32] organizations have accused Israel off.
[00:55:34] But the moment I pointed to the fact
[00:55:36] that there are businesses who are
[00:55:38] profiting from it,
[00:55:40] >> yes, I sanctioned.
[00:55:43] >> Interesting. Okay. Well, that that makes
[00:55:45] more sense. So, it wasn't like you were
[00:55:47] shut down or sanctioned because you
[00:55:50] criticized the state of Israel. you were
[00:55:53] shut down because you criticized all the
[00:55:55] people profiting from mass murder.
[00:55:59] Well, two months two months before uh
[00:56:02] sanctioning me um I I mean I got I got a
[00:56:07] sign of frustration in the US
[00:56:11] administration for my work which was
[00:56:13] apparently harassing uh US uh US
[00:56:17] companies which is not the case because
[00:56:19] in fact I mean I've gone after Brazilian
[00:56:23] uh companies, South African companies,
[00:56:26] Colombian companies I mean it's the
[00:56:28] entire world. I keep on saying there are
[00:56:30] 62 states who are complicit providing
[00:56:33] political uh military uh diplomatic
[00:56:36] support, economic and financial support
[00:56:38] to the state of to the state of Israel
[00:56:41] in the moment. It's committing seriously
[00:56:42] as you said I mean I was watching what
[00:56:45] you said and what you shown before and
[00:56:47] it's I mean call it the way you want but
[00:56:51] 70,000 people have been killed in Gaza.
[00:56:54] 50,000s have been injured many with life
[00:56:58] uh lifelasting injuries. I mean I've
[00:57:01] seen I visited the same premises that
[00:57:03] you have in Qatar already in February
[00:57:05] 2024 and this an abomination. So, but
[00:57:08] yes, I there was already a distress
[00:57:11] because of because of that and uh yeah,
[00:57:15] I think that there were there were
[00:57:17] things that upset the the United States,
[00:57:19] but you said, I mean, the United States
[00:57:21] intervenes so powerfully to silence and
[00:57:24] to to reprimand so draconianly anyone
[00:57:28] who dares scrutinizing Israeli
[00:57:31] practices.
[00:57:33] >> I think that's right. It's almost like
[00:57:34] people can't let it into their minds. I
[00:57:37] I've had this experience with people I
[00:57:38] know. I just talked to some Israelis I
[00:57:39] know just the other day who told me that
[00:57:42] within Israel there's almost no
[00:57:43] discussion of what's happening in Gaza
[00:57:46] and that any criticism of it is
[00:57:48] immediately discounted as anti-semitism.
[00:57:50] And of course that's happened to me in
[00:57:51] the United States. Well, you're just
[00:57:52] anti-semite. And no matter how often you
[00:57:54] say actually I hate anti-semitism. Um
[00:57:57] they don't believe you. And this does
[00:57:58] seem like a kind of defense mechanism
[00:58:02] where like no criticism can be true.
[00:58:06] It's all just hate. We're not doing
[00:58:08] anything wrong and no one can talk about
[00:58:10] it. Have you run into that attitude?
[00:58:16] >> Yeah, I've run into this attitude. I
[00:58:19] mean, what is shocking is that it
[00:58:21] doesn't only happen inside Israel. In
[00:58:24] fact, inside Israel that there there is
[00:58:27] criticism. There are organizations like
[00:58:30] Betelm and Physician for Human Rights
[00:58:32] who have denounced the genocide. What is
[00:58:35] bit shocking to me as a as a European as
[00:58:38] a western person is the level of
[00:58:41] denialism the vilification of the
[00:58:44] Palestinians as they go through what
[00:58:46] they go through. So Palestinians are
[00:58:49] killed, they are blamed as we have heard
[00:58:53] and they are smeared and there has been
[00:58:56] a denialism of what is happening that is
[00:59:00] is again has no precedent in recent
[00:59:04] history. Again as a European are you are
[00:59:08] you with me?
[00:59:08] >> Yes, I I'm right here.
[00:59:10] >> Yeah. As a as a European, I'm I've been
[00:59:15] raised educated to what the Holocaust
[00:59:18] has been and I I know I know that the
[00:59:21] Holocaust, it's a misrepresentation
[00:59:24] arguing that the Holocaust happened in
[00:59:26] concentration camps only. No, the Jewish
[00:59:29] people, millions of Jewish people were
[00:59:32] discriminated against for longer than
[00:59:36] than we can name. And in fact they were
[00:59:38] killed in ghettos. They were kicked out
[00:59:41] of civil life. They were they died
[00:59:44] because they were dehumanized to an
[00:59:46] extreme. And and yes there are records
[00:59:50] of the Jewish people ridiculed as they
[00:59:53] were killed and and taken to
[00:59:55] concentration camps. And it's this level
[00:59:57] of demonization that it's the gene of
[01:00:01] any genocide. The genocide happens when
[01:00:04] people refuse to see the other as human
[01:00:08] as it's happening today to the
[01:00:09] Palestinians.
[01:00:11] >> And and [snorts] I and I think what
[01:00:12] makes this so notable is that there are
[01:00:16] cabinet ministers in the current Israeli
[01:00:18] government who say that out loud all the
[01:00:21] time. So I mean there are cabinet
[01:00:22] ministers right now wearing golden noose
[01:00:25] pins on their lapels calling for the
[01:00:28] execution of prisoners. Um, so we're not
[01:00:32] kind of putting words in their mouths
[01:00:34] and I've really been trying, as I've
[01:00:36] said, my best to ignore it. I I haven't
[01:00:38] wanted to engage on this question, but
[01:00:40] at a certain point, this is America.
[01:00:42] This is my country's money. These are my
[01:00:44] tax dollars being used. How deep was the
[01:00:49] involvement of American companies in the
[01:00:51] mass killing in Gaza?
[01:00:54] >> Yes, it is important. Now I want to say
[01:00:57] it's it's not just American companies
[01:01:00] but western companies, Americans and uh
[01:01:04] um and uh Europeans account for the
[01:01:08] majority. But let me say for those who
[01:01:10] might have not read my report an um from
[01:01:14] occupation from economy of occupation to
[01:01:17] an economy of genocide, it's not just
[01:01:20] businesses like uh arms manufacturers or
[01:01:24] heavy machinery producers. It's banks,
[01:01:27] pension funds, the big tech that are I I
[01:01:32] um exposed Amazon, Google, uh Microsoft,
[01:01:36] uh who have provided their services and
[01:01:40] access to data, uh Palestinian data that
[01:01:44] has allowed Israel to set up systems to
[01:01:47] mass target and mass kills.
[01:01:52] I mean there is an application called
[01:01:54] where is daddy that allows uh the army
[01:01:58] to randomly track people and reach them
[01:02:01] when they are with their families so as
[01:02:04] to inflict the most harm. How brutal is
[01:02:08] it? And I agree with you. This is
[01:02:10] something that people must understand
[01:02:12] because this is the really this is the
[01:02:14] end of humanity. the end of the ci
[01:02:16] civilization that we have pretended to
[01:02:19] belong to until now. Israel has the has
[01:02:24] the most sophisticated military army in
[01:02:28] in the region and Israel is knowing
[01:02:31] exactly what he's doing and has been
[01:02:34] knowing this for two years and this is
[01:02:36] why there are also so many soldiers now
[01:02:40] breaking down the su the level of
[01:02:43] suicide is in increasing among uh young
[01:02:47] Israelis who have served in the army and
[01:02:49] of course so because they are just older
[01:02:52] than teenagers and they are be they've
[01:02:54] been turned by indoctrination
[01:02:57] into uh the willful executioners of a
[01:03:01] genocide. This is why I'm saying we must
[01:03:04] intervene. People who love Israel must
[01:03:07] intervene to save what remains of
[01:03:09] Israel. the the the the biggest harm is
[01:03:12] being done by those outside of Israel
[01:03:15] who keep on defending this regime that
[01:03:18] not only has imposed a military
[01:03:21] dictatorship for decades on the
[01:03:23] Palestinians in the West Bank and is
[01:03:26] Jerusalem and until 2005 in Gaza. But uh
[01:03:31] the also on the Israelis who are part of
[01:03:35] the system, you cannot brutalize the
[01:03:37] other without losing your humanity in
[01:03:41] the process.
[01:03:42] >> It's exactly right. So just I I want you
[01:03:44] to clarify something. I think I heard
[01:03:46] you say that there is uh some kind of
[01:03:50] app maybe made by an American company
[01:03:52] called Where's Daddy that allows the
[01:03:54] Israeli government to murder men in
[01:03:56] front of their children. Did I I mean
[01:03:58] did I dream that or did you say that?
[01:04:01] >> No, I said basically Israel has
[01:04:04] developed it's not an app, it's a
[01:04:05] system. Israel has developed this this
[01:04:08] system uh automatized system to to to
[01:04:13] decide the targets through a computing
[01:04:15] system and the data has been provided by
[01:04:19] by tech companies. I mean I've mentioned
[01:04:22] also Palanteer who makes no secret uh of
[01:04:26] its support to to Israel and I quote in
[01:04:29] my report one of the um highest figure
[01:04:32] in parliament here who's confronted in a
[01:04:35] public debate and by someone who say you
[01:04:38] are killing my families my you are
[01:04:40] killing civilians in Gaza and he says
[01:04:43] most probably terrorists.
[01:04:45] So you see there is there is a sort of
[01:04:50] acknowledgment of involvement in
[01:04:52] something that has killed and injured
[01:04:57] hundreds of thousands of people and
[01:05:01] it's unfathomable for me.
[01:05:03] >> I couldn't agree with you more. What's
[01:05:06] so perfectly American is that you were
[01:05:09] the one who was punished for it. We had
[01:05:11] a disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan
[01:05:13] a few years ago under the last president
[01:05:15] and yet no sitting US general was even
[01:05:19] reprimanded for it. The only person who
[01:05:20] went to jail was a colonel called Stu
[01:05:23] Sheller who complained about it. And
[01:05:24] this seems analogous to me. You are
[01:05:27] being punished for pointing out what
[01:05:30] other people are doing that's criminal.
[01:05:32] So let me just ask before I ask what
[01:05:34] happened to you exactly. It's my
[01:05:36] understanding that the day or the day
[01:05:39] before you were sanctioned, Benjamin
[01:05:41] Netanyahu was at the White House in
[01:05:43] Washington. Do you know if that's true?
[01:05:46] >> Yes, it's true.
[01:05:50] >> Do you think Do you have any reason to
[01:05:52] believe that Netanyahu
[01:05:55] asked US officials to to do this to you?
[01:06:01] >> I don't know. But the fact that the the
[01:06:03] US did it, it's it's absurd because
[01:06:08] look, Tucker, I mean, I I would like
[01:06:11] people to understand what the sanctions
[01:06:13] are because you talk to me and I don't
[01:06:16] think you you you see a criminal here,
[01:06:20] but this is what I am for the US system.
[01:06:23] I'm banned from travel to the US and
[01:06:26] which is something that impairs my
[01:06:28] functions because the United Nations
[01:06:32] headquarters based in in New York. I was
[01:06:36] supposed to present my last report in
[01:06:39] New York and I delivered it from South
[01:06:41] Africa because I cannot travel. But not
[01:06:44] just that I am financially censored
[01:06:48] which means that I I cannot all assets
[01:06:52] bank accounts I had in the US. Then I
[01:06:54] will explain why in the US uh everything
[01:06:59] has been shut down. Um my I have an
[01:07:02] American daughter. I have an American
[01:07:04] daughter who's paying the price of
[01:07:07] having her mom telling the truth about
[01:07:10] crimes committed in another place and
[01:07:14] just as serving the United Nations.
[01:07:16] Yeah. I am the first UN person to
[01:07:19] receive this in 80 years and it's
[01:07:23] absolutely abominable, you know. So,
[01:07:25] it's very it's very personal because
[01:07:29] because it touches my um my financial
[01:07:33] capacity to exist because being
[01:07:36] sanctioned by the United States means
[01:07:38] that I cannot open a bank account
[01:07:40] anywhere. I cannot have a a credit card.
[01:07:44] I cannot function. I cannot be receive
[01:07:47] payment. I cannot make payments. My um
[01:07:50] health insurance has been suspended. Um,
[01:07:53] even rooms, hotel rooms booked in my
[01:07:56] name by someone else get cancelled
[01:08:00] because I'm in Europe because I'm
[01:08:01] sanctioned by the United States. And
[01:08:04] think of there is a deeper meaning of it
[01:08:07] which is the which is the an lay an
[01:08:10] extra layer of absurdity because I've
[01:08:12] also have deep ties to the United
[01:08:15] States. I live in Washington DC. I gave
[01:08:18] birth to my first child who's an
[01:08:20] American citizen and she risked to incur
[01:08:23] into to commit felony by give offering
[01:08:28] me a present by receiving um like a
[01:08:32] breakfast from me because the the the
[01:08:34] the consequences of the sanctions are
[01:08:38] penalties up to $1 million and uh
[01:08:44] jailing up to 20 years and and my and
[01:08:48] the the thing is that if you spoke to my
[01:08:51] daughter, you wouldn't even you wouldn't
[01:08:52] even realize that she's the daughter of
[01:08:54] an Italian because she's American
[01:08:56] educated. She goes to the American
[01:08:58] school. She's raised according to
[01:09:01] American values, more than Italian
[01:09:03] values, I can tell you. And and and
[01:09:07] you know, this is a betrayal for us from
[01:09:10] the United States. Where is the freedom
[01:09:12] of thought? Where is freedom of
[01:09:14] expression?
[01:09:16] I'm I I'm I don't really know how to
[01:09:18] respond to what you're telling me. I I
[01:09:20] just want to ask you one last time. Is
[01:09:22] there anything you're leaving out? Did
[01:09:24] you send money to Hamas? Did you shoot
[01:09:27] at the IDF? Did you Are you secretly
[01:09:30] married to Nisalla? Or like what? I I
[01:09:33] don't understand how you could have been
[01:09:36] treated like this without actively
[01:09:39] aiding a terror group.
[01:09:43] Look, the only one who's aiding and
[01:09:45] abetting some someone else committing
[01:09:48] crime is the United States.
[01:09:50] >> Yeah,
[01:09:50] >> let me be very clear.
[01:09:53] >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry to agree with you
[01:09:54] on that. So, who did this to you
[01:09:56] exactly? And how do you get it fixed?
[01:10:01] >> Well, I know that the United Nations is
[01:10:03] working hard behind the scenes to have
[01:10:06] the sanctions removed. There have been
[01:10:08] tons and tons of pledges to the United
[01:10:12] States from my special reporters,
[01:10:15] independent experts of the United
[01:10:17] Nations, many states. But here's the
[01:10:20] system. the system is uh is very weak at
[01:10:23] the moment because the yeah the United
[01:10:26] States is using its power its leverage
[01:10:30] to uh bend the arm of the system and by
[01:10:34] doing that it's it will make everyone
[01:10:36] including American citizens less and
[01:10:38] less protected.
[01:10:40] >> It doesn't seem to be acting on behalf
[01:10:42] of its own people. I don't know what
[01:10:44] this has to do with what's happening in
[01:10:46] the United States. It seems like we are
[01:10:50] completely casting aside the rule of
[01:10:53] law, fairness, decency on behalf of
[01:10:57] another country. Maybe I'm missing
[01:11:00] something.
[01:11:03] Look, you know, I for a long time for a
[01:11:07] long time I've been thinking that Israel
[01:11:11] had the capacity to exert so much
[01:11:13] influence on the United States and I
[01:11:15] couldn't figure out how. I don't think
[01:11:19] it's that in the sense there is
[01:11:21] something deeper and it's the fact that
[01:11:24] we are fooled by the ide by this idea of
[01:11:27] states representing us. No, eventually
[01:11:30] states are in the hands of powers,
[01:11:35] military power, uh, economic, financial
[01:11:38] power and the power of the algorithm.
[01:11:41] And this is why today the imagining
[01:11:45] states as responding serving the
[01:11:48] interest of people, it's a fallacy. This
[01:11:51] is why I don't I don't feel like blaming
[01:11:55] uh all the Italian citizens for what uh
[01:11:58] their government uh or our government
[01:12:01] does. And in the same way I don't blame
[01:12:04] all the American people also because
[01:12:06] there are so many American peoples who
[01:12:08] cannot meet ends
[01:12:11] and and I've seen I've seen this with my
[01:12:13] own eyes when I was in Washington DC.
[01:12:16] I've used to uh I used to volunteer in
[01:12:20] shelters in underprivileged
[01:12:22] neighborhoods and I see the
[01:12:24] contradictions of the country. So I
[01:12:26] would expect the states to take care of
[01:12:28] this rather than investing tax taxpayers
[01:12:32] money on seeding worse and seeding
[01:12:36] hatred all around. But so I think that
[01:12:41] the it's it's the United States who
[01:12:44] needs Israel for its right now its
[01:12:47] imperialistic purposes. And again, it's
[01:12:50] not the United States as a country. It's
[01:12:53] United States as serving specific
[01:12:56] interests, which is very sad.
[01:12:59] >> So it sounds like the whole the way
[01:13:01] we're thinking about this, I think
[01:13:03] you're making a very deep point. The our
[01:13:06] framework is wrong. We think it's a
[01:13:07] contest between nation states and you
[01:13:09] know some unduly influence others but
[01:13:11] basically they're separate and distinct
[01:13:13] from each other. Each we have these
[01:13:14] separate countries but you're saying
[01:13:17] really that's an illusion and power
[01:13:20] military power economic power the
[01:13:22] algorithm as you said is what's
[01:13:25] controlling these states.
[01:13:27] It's it well the fact that we have
[01:13:30] multinationals who are who have uh
[01:13:33] wealth that uh that it's it's it's
[01:13:36] bigger than than states and with wealth
[01:13:38] goes control proves it. But you know
[01:13:40] while I was working on my report on
[01:13:43] economy of occupation uh from economy of
[01:13:46] occupation and economy of genocide I did
[01:13:48] real I did realize that this is nothing
[01:13:50] new. I mean when you look at settler
[01:13:53] colonialism 500 years of history uh have
[01:13:58] been marked by settler colonialism.
[01:14:01] European forces powers moving from Latin
[01:14:05] America to North America uh to Africa
[01:14:09] for what? For resources and uh and but
[01:14:13] eventually what has driven this is
[01:14:16] private interests. We think that with
[01:14:19] the consolidation of states uh matters
[01:14:22] have changed but the reality is that we
[01:14:25] still live in system that are driven by
[01:14:29] economic and financial interest which
[01:14:31] might be okay. I mean I'm not advocating
[01:14:34] for the end of capitalism. This is not
[01:14:37] my purpose as a special reporter. It's
[01:14:39] just that this today today my
[01:14:42] observation in Palestine and Palestine
[01:14:45] becomes a mirror or a metaphor to
[01:14:48] understand the world is that prophets
[01:14:51] uh drive us and drives politics more
[01:14:56] than the need and the urge to stop
[01:14:58] massacring and slaughtering children.
[01:15:01] >> Oh,
[01:15:03] I I I get the sense from listening to
[01:15:05] you, you know what you're talking about.
[01:15:06] Can you be more and I should have asked
[01:15:08] you this earlier more specific about why
[01:15:11] you call what's happening in Gaza
[01:15:13] genocide. So my it's a politically
[01:15:15] charged term of course it's the term we
[01:15:17] use to describe what the Germans did to
[01:15:18] the Jews and the Poles. You know what
[01:15:21] it's a term we associate with the Nazis.
[01:15:22] So of course the Israelis hate it when
[01:15:24] you use that term. I get it. But it has
[01:15:27] a specific meaning I think. What is its
[01:15:29] meaning and when did this
[01:15:32] ma this bombing campaign become
[01:15:34] genocide?
[01:15:36] Tucker, with all due respect, it's not a
[01:15:39] politically loaded term. It's a crime.
[01:15:42] It's a legal
[01:15:42] [clears throat and laughter] term.
[01:15:43] >> I know that, but what does it mean? What
[01:15:45] why is it different from just mass
[01:15:47] killing?
[01:15:48] >> And and excuse me. I mean the Germans
[01:15:51] the Germans before committing and before
[01:15:54] leading the genocide of the Jewish
[01:15:56] people Roman Cinti disabled pursuing
[01:15:59] this idea of a superior race had
[01:16:02] committed another genocide in Namibia in
[01:16:05] modern day Namibia the genocide of the
[01:16:08] Nama and in fact genocide is something
[01:16:10] that has has existed in history the
[01:16:14] genocide of the Armenian people in my
[01:16:16] lifetime there has been the genocide of
[01:16:18] uh of the Totsimin Rwanda of the
[01:16:21] Bosnians in former Yugoslavia and the
[01:16:24] Yazidi. So no no genocide is not loaded
[01:16:28] is a crime and should be treated as
[01:16:30] such. So this is something that is
[01:16:31] fundamental because certain people tend
[01:16:33] to think that there is one and one only
[01:16:35] genocide right
[01:16:36] >> and the thing is that it's a crime and
[01:16:39] it consists in the intentional
[01:16:42] destruction the intent to destroy a
[01:16:45] group as such an ethical national
[01:16:50] religious or um ritual group and through
[01:16:55] acts of killing uh the conditions of
[01:16:58] sorry creation the creation of
[01:17:00] conditions of life calculated to destroy
[01:17:03] the group as such or members of the
[01:17:05] group as such. Uh the infliction of
[01:17:07] severe mentally uh or bodily harm uh the
[01:17:12] prevention of birth and the transfer of
[01:17:14] children. In Canada, there has been a
[01:17:17] genoc there has been a genocide of the
[01:17:19] native Americans. Canada has recognized
[01:17:21] it. in uh even if there has not been a
[01:17:24] pronouncement of the international court
[01:17:26] of justice in Australia the same thing
[01:17:29] we could say the same thing of the
[01:17:30] United States and there is no
[01:17:33] acknowledgement of what has happened to
[01:17:35] the hundreds of Native Americans tribes
[01:17:39] in the United States but the fact is
[01:17:42] that this is a gen this is what
[01:17:44] constitutes genocide from a legal point
[01:17:46] of view now the thing is that there are
[01:17:48] some precursors of genocide And Rafael
[01:17:52] Lenin, the Jewish legal scholar who
[01:17:55] coined the term genocide, had in mind
[01:17:59] settler colonialism when he envis
[01:18:01] envisaged the crime because he knew
[01:18:03] exactly what the genocide of the Jews
[01:18:06] had been produced from that idea that
[01:18:11] there is one group that can dominate and
[01:18:14] erase the other. So in in the context of
[01:18:18] Gaza, I've been alarmed by the language.
[01:18:21] The language has been genocidal like uh
[01:18:26] they are all human animals. We will cut
[01:18:31] water, um electricity,
[01:18:34] uh food and medicine. And they've done
[01:18:37] it. They've done it. Netanyao and others
[01:18:39] have been on record saying evoking this
[01:18:43] biblical image of the Amalecch. Go and
[01:18:47] destroy the Amalecch, the mother, the
[01:18:50] the suckling, the baby, the camel and
[01:18:53] the donkey. What is it? I mean evoking
[01:18:57] biblical language using a moment of
[01:19:01] trauma, deep trauma in the Israeli
[01:19:03] society and in young men and women who
[01:19:07] have clearly who had already uh who were
[01:19:11] already harboring a level of
[01:19:12] dehumanization against the Palestinians.
[01:19:14] Fine. It has always been like that. But
[01:19:18] the the the eventually there was already
[01:19:21] a dormant gene of of hatred toward the
[01:19:24] Palestinian that has been activated and
[01:19:26] there has been destruction. There had
[01:19:28] been mass killing, destruction of
[01:19:30] everything that was life in Gaza. Why to
[01:19:33] destroy all the houses? Why to destroy
[01:19:36] all the universities, all the hospitals,
[01:19:39] all the schools and killing the doctors
[01:19:42] and killing the journalists who are
[01:19:43] reporting on the on the genocide.
[01:19:47] There's been erasure of life and now
[01:19:50] Tucker I'm right now investigating
[01:19:53] something that no one has really wanted
[01:19:56] to see that I have denounced partially
[01:19:59] and so the commission inquiry on Israel
[01:20:02] Palestine which after two years has also
[01:20:04] concluded that that Israel has committed
[01:20:06] genocide in Gaza. Israeli organizations
[01:20:09] again like Betelm and others have
[01:20:12] spotted the the use of torture. what has
[01:20:15] been done to Palestinians deprived of
[01:20:18] their liberty. And mind you, I'm only
[01:20:20] talking of civilians because we don't
[01:20:22] even know where the combatants, those
[01:20:24] who have been captured as fighting in in
[01:20:27] Gaza are, but those who have been taken
[01:20:30] as civilians, medical uh personnel,
[01:20:34] journalists, teachers, and others, they
[01:20:37] have been tortured on a systemic and
[01:20:40] widespread basis. And I've been spending
[01:20:43] already a month interviewing people,
[01:20:45] interviewing lawyers, interviewing
[01:20:48] uh former former detinees and there's
[01:20:51] still two months to go. But it's
[01:20:53] abominable. It's it's traumatic to even
[01:20:56] to hear what has been done to these
[01:20:58] people including children.
[01:21:01] So how I mean what else this if not
[01:21:04] again this is a textbook case of
[01:21:06] genocide destroying a people as such
[01:21:10] mentally physically culturally
[01:21:14] >> and and they'll pay for it in the end
[01:21:16] and every you know every every murder uh
[01:21:19] is seen and at some point you know
[01:21:22] people who commit murder are punished
[01:21:23] for sure. So what happened to the
[01:21:25] ceasefire? Is there a ceasefire
[01:21:28] in place? There is no ceasefire. No, no,
[01:21:31] there is no cis fire. There is just a a
[01:21:34] bubble that has been uh has has had to
[01:21:39] be uh inflated at a certain point to
[01:21:43] distract the attention from the mass
[01:21:46] protest that were taking place uh
[01:21:50] everywhere. Look in Europe, uh it's not
[01:21:53] different than the United States, but we
[01:21:54] have many states in Europe and there has
[01:21:56] been a cons consistency of repression.
[01:22:00] Uh protests from Germany, the UK, uh
[01:22:04] Italy, France have been either
[01:22:06] prohibited or harshly repressed.
[01:22:09] Journalists have been criminalized.
[01:22:11] Activists have been criminalized and
[01:22:13] arrested because oo because of opposing
[01:22:17] a a genocide. So eventually in order to
[01:22:21] sedate this mounting uh distress in the
[01:22:25] population that doesn't want to see the
[01:22:28] slaughter of kids anymore, the word
[01:22:30] ceasefire has been imposed by nearly 400
[01:22:33] people have been killed in Gaza since
[01:22:34] the ceasefire. 1/4th
[01:22:38] of of the aid that had been agreed upon
[01:22:41] has entered. And as you and I are
[01:22:44] speaking, Ducker, there are nearly two
[01:22:48] millions of survivors in Gaza resisting
[01:22:52] a winter storm in in ravaged tents,
[01:22:56] tents ravaged by the elements. and the
[01:22:58] fact that these people have been
[01:23:00] displaced five, 10, 15 times from one uh
[01:23:06] rebel camp to another wasteland for two
[01:23:09] years. Look, again, I've said already
[01:23:11] one year ago, Israel is writing one of
[01:23:15] the darkest pages of modern history. It
[01:23:18] should have been stopped uh months ago,
[01:23:21] years ago. And not because I was saying
[01:23:24] that, you know, this is a critical
[01:23:26] point, Tucker. In January 2024, the
[01:23:30] International Court of Justice
[01:23:31] recognized the plausibility that Israel
[01:23:35] was committing genocide, recognized the
[01:23:38] plausible risk of irreparable harm done
[01:23:41] to the Palestinians in Gaza under the
[01:23:44] genocide convention. And you know what
[01:23:46] does it mean beyond the convoluted
[01:23:49] formulation of the law that there was a
[01:23:52] an obligation to prevent genocide? the
[01:23:56] the obligation to prevent genocide
[01:23:58] kicked in the moment the International
[01:24:00] Court of Justice recognized the risks
[01:24:03] and ma made certain recommendations
[01:24:06] actually order certain measures to
[01:24:09] Israel and no one no one not your state
[01:24:13] not my state no one has done anything to
[01:24:18] stop Israel other than cosmetic measures
[01:24:22] in the margins because eventually what
[01:24:24] was to be done was to stop transferring
[01:24:27] weapons to Israel, to stop trading with
[01:24:30] Israel and to stop other forms of aiding
[01:24:34] and assistance, which has not happened.
[01:24:37] >> And just the opposite actually happened.
[01:24:39] All those states, including the United
[01:24:41] States, turned against their own
[01:24:42] citizens and stripped them of their
[01:24:44] civil liberties. Lots of places in the
[01:24:45] United States made it illegal to boycott
[01:24:47] Israel. You can't boycott Israel. We
[01:24:49] celebrate boycots, by the way. something
[01:24:51] called the civil rights movement as a
[01:24:52] feature of, you know, every sixth grade
[01:24:53] history lesson. And boycots are good
[01:24:56] except when they apply to Israel, in
[01:24:57] which case they're literally illegal.
[01:25:00] UK, Germany, big states put people in
[01:25:04] prison for complaining about Israel's
[01:25:06] genocide. Tell me on what grounds they
[01:25:08] do that.
[01:25:11] >> They well several grounds, but basically
[01:25:13] what is common also to the United
[01:25:16] States. The main grounds are two. People
[01:25:18] are accused of anti-semitism and are
[01:25:21] accused of supporting terrorism and
[01:25:23] being all Hamas.
[01:25:25] I mean, how can it be Hamas to ask to
[01:25:28] stop uh uh starving children? How can it
[01:25:32] be anti-Semitic to ask a state not to
[01:25:35] carpet bomb a population trapped in in
[01:25:39] 360 square kilometers? Come on. Look,
[01:25:43] like you, anti-semitism is repulsive.
[01:25:47] It's horrible. I mean, as a European,
[01:25:50] the first the first thing that that I I
[01:25:53] I feel when I hear the word
[01:25:56] anti-semitism
[01:25:57] is is repulsion because this is what
[01:26:01] I've been I've been raised to recognize
[01:26:04] that hating others on the ground of
[01:26:08] religion or race or other things is just
[01:26:12] wrong.
[01:26:13] >> It is wrong. I'm I'm
[01:26:15] >> Yeah,
[01:26:15] >> but but may I say it's it's always
[01:26:17] wrong. Anti- anti-semitism is wrong. It
[01:26:21] is no worse than hating the Palestinians
[01:26:23] for being Palestinian or hating the
[01:26:24] Italians for being Italian or black
[01:26:26] people for being black. I mean, it it's
[01:26:27] all the same thing. But somehow only one
[01:26:30] is a crime. I I that's not Western
[01:26:34] civilization
[01:26:36] at all.
[01:26:36] >> No, but it's not even that. It's the
[01:26:38] lack of logic. It's the it's really the
[01:26:41] performance of stupidity behind it
[01:26:43] because anti-semitism
[01:26:45] is hatred against the Jews because they
[01:26:48] are Jews.
[01:26:50] While I frankly I I I really it's not I
[01:26:55] I don't have anything against Israel's
[01:26:58] for the religion it professes. It could
[01:27:00] be Buddhist, it could be Muslim, it
[01:27:02] could be secular. But the point is not
[01:27:05] what Israel is, it's what Israel does.
[01:27:09] And the other thing I mean people oppose
[01:27:13] people like me, people who stand for
[01:27:15] human rights like the the majority of
[01:27:19] European citizens who are taking the
[01:27:20] streets, they they just can't sleep at
[01:27:24] night because of the images that pop up
[01:27:26] on their phones all the time. There are
[01:27:29] really there is a there is a level of
[01:27:31] distress that I've never seen including
[01:27:33] in my own country. I mean Italy is a is
[01:27:36] not the the the most active country when
[01:27:39] it comes to global tragedies. I remember
[01:27:42] I was in the in the UK during the the um
[01:27:46] Iraq invasion and the British people
[01:27:48] have protested for years. I mean in
[01:27:50] Italy much less but this thing this
[01:27:53] genocide in Gaza it's something that has
[01:27:56] really uh awaken awaken a sense of uh a
[01:28:01] conscience that we almost had lost and I
[01:28:05] expect no less in the in the continent
[01:28:08] that has seen already a genocide
[01:28:11] happening on its own soil. So again, I I
[01:28:15] I'm horrified by the fact that while
[01:28:18] there is an awakening of conscience
[01:28:20] among ordinary citizens, their
[01:28:23] governments continue to uh to deny the
[01:28:27] genocide while obliterating
[01:28:30] international law. The international law
[01:28:32] that has it's our social contract at the
[01:28:35] international level. It it's what I mean
[01:28:38] has not benefit benefited everyone. The
[01:28:41] global north has benefited more than the
[01:28:44] global south, I would say. But this is
[01:28:48] what has kept us protected for 80 years.
[01:28:51] And it seems to me that today it's all
[01:28:53] going in the same direction. Rearming,
[01:28:56] rearming, in investing in in wars,
[01:28:59] preparing for wars, while schools and
[01:29:02] other services and hospitals which are
[01:29:05] in need for our taxes get poorer and
[01:29:09] poorer.
[01:29:11] La la la la la la la la la la la la la
[01:29:12] la la la la la la la la last question.
[01:29:13] First of all, let me just say if in case
[01:29:14] I forget, I'm embarrassed by what the US
[01:29:16] government did to you, unless there's
[01:29:18] something I don't know. Uh it's shocking
[01:29:20] behavior. Um and I'm I'm again I'm
[01:29:23] ashamed of it. So I hope it's fixed
[01:29:24] soon.
[01:29:25] >> Well, I like the fact that you say in
[01:29:27] case there is something I don't know,
[01:29:29] no, there is nothing.
[01:29:30] >> Well, I mean it's so unbelievable that
[01:29:32] they would pro, you know, treat you like
[01:29:34] a felon when all you did was describe
[01:29:37] what's happening. I mean that we I don't
[01:29:39] want to live in a country that does
[01:29:41] things like that. Even if I disagreed
[01:29:42] with everything you said, I would be
[01:29:44] opposed to your being sanctioned and
[01:29:46] treated like a criminal. It's especially
[01:29:48] with no trial. The whole thing is is
[01:29:50] outrageous.
[01:29:51] >> And sanctions themselves are wrong. They
[01:29:54] never help. I've never seen one time
[01:29:56] where they help. So, okay, that's my
[01:29:57] view. This will end at some point. And
[01:30:01] tens of thousands of people have been
[01:30:03] murdered and so there will be
[01:30:05] consequences. What should those
[01:30:07] consequences be?
[01:30:10] >> Uh I think that the most important thing
[01:30:14] right now is to is to end the genocide
[01:30:17] and and look there is a gen an active
[01:30:19] genocide in in in Gaza. about what is
[01:30:22] happening to the rest of the territory
[01:30:24] of the occupied Palestinian territory
[01:30:26] should not be forgotten because again as
[01:30:28] you and I speak there are or um there
[01:30:32] are groups of uh fanatic settlers. Many
[01:30:36] of them come from your country and my
[01:30:39] country and they are roaming around the
[01:30:41] West Bank terrorizing ci defenseless
[01:30:45] civilians uh killing livestock, torching
[01:30:48] orchards and uh preventing the harvest
[01:30:52] which is what Palestinians live uh out
[01:30:55] of and destroying property,
[01:30:59] beating up people. So the West Bank is
[01:31:02] also up for conquest. there is this
[01:31:04] crazy mentality that the the the Israel
[01:31:08] really runs from the river to the sea
[01:31:10] and the Palestinians should not exist uh
[01:31:13] there. So first of all we need to stop
[01:31:16] this. There are some lunatics that are
[01:31:19] saying horrible things in the Israeli
[01:31:21] government and they in Israeli
[01:31:23] government and they must be stopped. But
[01:31:25] then of course there should be justice.
[01:31:27] Those who have ordered, architected,
[01:31:30] those who have made possible that the
[01:31:32] genocides take place, they need to be
[01:31:34] brought to justice. There are already
[01:31:36] two arrest warrants against by the
[01:31:38] International Criminal Court for
[01:31:41] Benjamin Netanyahu and um Yo Galan, the
[01:31:45] former minister of defense. And this
[01:31:47] should be h I mean this this order um
[01:31:50] these arrest warrants should be followed
[01:31:52] up on and these people should go to the
[01:31:55] H and like them others that deserve to
[01:31:58] be investigated and prosecuted. Those
[01:32:00] who have double nationality and might
[01:32:02] have committed crimes including soldiers
[01:32:05] and settlers need to be held to account
[01:32:07] and then uh I do hope that there will be
[01:32:10] a a a a way to enforce international law
[01:32:15] to the fullest. The International Court
[01:32:17] of Justice has already said that the
[01:32:19] occupation is unlawful. So, Israel must
[01:32:23] withdraw the troops, dismantle the
[01:32:25] colonies and stop exploiting Palestinian
[01:32:27] resources. What else? So, this is what
[01:32:29] is to be done. And then one day, my hope
[01:32:32] is that the apertide gets dismantled
[01:32:35] because only through full decolonization
[01:32:38] of that land, it doesn't matter the
[01:32:39] political solution, one state, two
[01:32:41] states. This is something that the
[01:32:43] people will have to decide. But
[01:32:45] meanwhile as an international community
[01:32:47] we have the obligation to make sure that
[01:32:49] the apartheid is dismantled. This is
[01:32:52] what I I think should happen. And you
[01:32:54] see the noise around it. Peace plan the
[01:32:57] 20 point uh thought babble and all the
[01:33:02] rest. These are weapons to distract the
[01:33:05] attention from where it should be. The
[01:33:07] only way to deliver peace to the region
[01:33:09] is to respect the basic rules that we
[01:33:11] have all agreed upon over eight years of
[01:33:15] of uh of peace.
[01:33:18] >> Amen. Franchesco, thank you so much. I
[01:33:21] hope we're not violating sanctions by
[01:33:23] talking to you. Um just kidding. Hope we
[01:33:26] are. Uh it's great great to see you. I
[01:33:28] appreciate that. Thank you.
[01:33:30] >> Thank you so much. Thank you. It it was
[01:33:32] a pleasure even if it's uh 1 uh 29 a.m.
[01:33:38] for me. So I hope and I made full sense
[01:33:41] at this time of the night.
[01:33:42] >> Unfortunately, you did. Thanks a lot.
[01:33:46] >> Okay. All the best to you. Bye, Tucker.
[01:33:48] >> Good night.
[01:33:49] >> And thank you very much. We'll be back
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