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[00:00:00] So, if you're one of those people who's
[00:00:02] been wondering when we're going to find
[00:00:04] out more about the Jeffrey Epstein
[00:00:06] story, who's been asking for disclosure,
[00:00:08] at least wanting more disclosure, the
[00:00:11] dump of more than 3 million Epstein
[00:00:13] related documents a few days ago by the
[00:00:15] US government is well pretty amazing,
[00:00:18] but also kind of a mixed blessing
[00:00:20] because in that cache of material
[00:00:25] is a lot of tantalizing information.
[00:00:28] There's also a lot of stuff that's maybe
[00:00:30] not true. There's some stuff that seems
[00:00:32] kind of fantastical and it's all there
[00:00:35] together. And you could ask yourself,
[00:00:37] well, why is that?
[00:00:40] Could this be an attempt to discredit
[00:00:43] the whole story by throwing nonsense in
[00:00:46] next to clearly true information? I
[00:00:49] mean, possibly.
[00:00:51] We can't know.
[00:00:53] All we can do is assess what's on the
[00:00:56] internet right now. So included in that
[00:01:00] document dump are a bunch of emails to
[00:01:03] and from Jeffrey Epstein to and from
[00:01:07] people whose names we know and in a lot
[00:01:09] of cases people whose names have been
[00:01:10] redacted for whatever reason. We can't
[00:01:12] know why they were redacted. We can
[00:01:14] guess. There are text messages.
[00:01:17] There are videos. There are photographs.
[00:01:20] There are all kinds of attachments,
[00:01:22] documents, and there are also a lot of
[00:01:24] statements from anonymous people, some
[00:01:27] named people, uh, that may or may not be
[00:01:30] true, including people who just called
[00:01:32] into some sort of tip line with
[00:01:34] information about Epstein, uh, including
[00:01:38] statements from confidential human
[00:01:39] sources that may or may not have been
[00:01:41] taken under oath. Like, who knows?
[00:01:44] There's just a lot of stuff there. And
[00:01:45] some of it seems kind of ridiculous.
[00:01:47] Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. some of it
[00:01:49] seems worth following up on. So, how do
[00:01:51] we assess it? Well, that's going to take
[00:01:52] an awfully long time. Most people don't
[00:01:55] have the time. So, we thought it would
[00:01:58] be interesting just to start with a very
[00:02:00] narrow slice of the material. And that's
[00:02:03] the emails and texts that we can be
[00:02:06] pretty sure were sent from or to Jeffrey
[00:02:09] Epstein that pertained to the question
[00:02:11] of food, specifically pizza. And that
[00:02:14] caught our attention immediately. Pizza.
[00:02:16] people talking about pizza, adults
[00:02:18] talking about pizza and pizza parties.
[00:02:19] Now, why that catch our attention? Of
[00:02:21] course, because it evoked memories of
[00:02:23] this semi-forgotten story from about 10
[00:02:25] years ago known as Pizza Gate. That was
[00:02:28] a wild conspiracy theory thought up by
[00:02:31] like the QAnon retards on the internet.
[00:02:34] The conspiracy theory about Pizzagate.
[00:02:36] It sounded so absurd. And we're about to
[00:02:39] get into much more detail about what
[00:02:41] that original theory was and what it may
[00:02:44] have actually meant in just a second.
[00:02:47] But it all began, as you may or may not
[00:02:50] remember, with another trove of
[00:02:52] information that hit the internet 10
[00:02:55] years ago, Wikileaks to be specific,
[00:02:58] released in 2016. a bunch of emails from
[00:03:02] John Podesta,
[00:03:04] of course, former
[00:03:07] high official in the Clinton and Obama
[00:03:10] White houses
[00:03:12] to and from a bunch of people that
[00:03:15] mentioned the word pizza or pizza
[00:03:18] parties
[00:03:20] in ways that seemed totally inorganic,
[00:03:23] just weird. In fact, in ways that
[00:03:26] suggested the term pizza was a code word
[00:03:28] for something else, something dark. And
[00:03:30] people on the internet speculated at
[00:03:32] great length that pizza was actually
[00:03:36] a synonym for children or sex with
[00:03:39] children.
[00:03:42] And this was immediately dismissed, of
[00:03:44] course,
[00:03:45] and turns out there was probably a lot
[00:03:48] more there than a lot of us perceived at
[00:03:50] the time. And again, we're going to get
[00:03:51] into that in just a minute with Ian
[00:03:52] Carol who's taken a very close look at
[00:03:54] this. But back to the most recent
[00:03:56] document dump, there were a lot of
[00:03:59] references to pizza. Like a lot by some
[00:04:01] counts, almost a thousand in these
[00:04:03] documents. Some of them probably were
[00:04:05] just to pizza. You don't want to read
[00:04:07] too much into anything cuz you start
[00:04:10] imagining that you see things that
[00:04:11] aren't actually there. But if you read,
[00:04:15] I don't know, exchanges like this. Let's
[00:04:16] read one. See what you think. And we're
[00:04:19] quoting. This is an email to Jeffrey
[00:04:22] Epstein. We're told by DOJ on April 6,
[00:04:25] 2018. Quote, "This is better than a
[00:04:28] Chinese cookie. Let's go for pizza and
[00:04:30] grape soda again. No one can
[00:04:32] understand."
[00:04:35] Maybe, you know, there are a lot of fit
[00:04:38] adults like Jeffrey Epstein, who was
[00:04:40] pretty fit for a middle-aged man in 2018
[00:04:42] who are regularly eating pizza and grape
[00:04:44] soda.
[00:04:46] or maybe they're talking about something
[00:04:49] else. Maybe this is code.
[00:04:51] So, it's worth considering anyway,
[00:04:53] right?
[00:04:55] But it was this exchange that made us
[00:04:58] think, whoa, wait a second. Maybe the
[00:05:02] long debunked conspiracy theory about
[00:05:05] Pizzagate
[00:05:06] wasn't actually debunked. And maybe
[00:05:08] someone should take a closer look at
[00:05:10] this given Ebstein's documented history
[00:05:14] of sexual abuse of young people. So
[00:05:18] here's just one exchange. This is the
[00:05:19] one that stopped us in our tracks and
[00:05:21] and made us think, "Oh, wow. We should
[00:05:24] know more." This is an exchange
[00:05:27] according to these documents. We're not
[00:05:29] alleging anything, but this is what this
[00:05:31] is what's on the internet from the DOJ.
[00:05:33] This is on the DOJ website. This is an
[00:05:35] exchange between and apparently a text
[00:05:37] exchange between Jeffrey Epstein and we
[00:05:40] think a urologist, a physician who was
[00:05:44] treating him apparently for erectile
[00:05:45] dysfunction in the spring of 2018. And
[00:05:50] that physician's name is Harry Fish.
[00:05:53] Um, again, we're not alleging anything.
[00:05:55] We're just we're just going to read
[00:05:56] what's in this. Okay, so this is the
[00:06:01] doctor texting Jeffrey Ebstein and I'm
[00:06:04] quoting and they're going back and forth
[00:06:05] on stuff and he says, "I'm back.
[00:06:07] Can call you in Stendra 100 at Zitmer."
[00:06:13] Now Stendra is apparently an erectile
[00:06:16] dysfunction drug like Viagra
[00:06:20] and he's prescribing it to Jeffrey Epste
[00:06:22] who apparently needs it.
[00:06:25] And Epstein writes, "How many?" And the
[00:06:28] doctor writes back, "10."
[00:06:31] "They didn't have your call yet. You
[00:06:34] have refills available. Call them back."
[00:06:36] "Thanks. They wanted you to call,"
[00:06:39] Epstein says to his apparently to his
[00:06:41] urologist about the erectile dysfunction
[00:06:43] drugs. The doctor writes back, "I just
[00:06:46] did. You can pick them up now." And
[00:06:49] here's the line that inspired the
[00:06:51] segment you're about to watch. after you
[00:06:54] use them, after you use the erectile
[00:06:56] dysfunction drugs, after you take Viagra
[00:06:59] or its equivalent, we're quoting, "Wash
[00:07:01] your hands and let's go get pizza and
[00:07:05] grape soda. Call me."
[00:07:10] So, to all the people who dismissed out
[00:07:12] of hand this conspiracy theory about
[00:07:14] Pizzagate, oh, it had nothing to do with
[00:07:17] sex or kids or anything illicit at all.
[00:07:19] It wasn't a code word. They was eating
[00:07:21] pizza.
[00:07:23] Here you have apparently Jeffrey
[00:07:25] Epstein's urologist
[00:07:28] telling him that after you take your
[00:07:30] erectile dysfunction drug, after you
[00:07:34] become sexually potent again, wash your
[00:07:38] hands and join me for pizza and grape
[00:07:42] soda. Okay. down.
[00:07:45] You don't have to be a total wacko to
[00:07:47] see the connection between a pizza and
[00:07:50] grape soda and what sounds like some
[00:07:53] kind of illicit sex act again committed
[00:07:56] by a guy with a documented history of
[00:07:58] elicit illicit sex acts with young
[00:08:00] people.
[00:08:02] So the obvious question is what is this?
[00:08:05] The second obvious question is, has
[00:08:07] anyone in federal law enforcement talked
[00:08:10] to the surviving member of this text
[00:08:13] exchange, which would be this guy, Harry
[00:08:15] Fish, whoever he is, apparently now a
[00:08:17] pharma executive.
[00:08:19] Has anyone talked to him? Not arrested
[00:08:21] or indicted him, but just like sat him
[00:08:22] down and said, "Hey, pizza and grape
[00:08:25] soda after taking an erectile
[00:08:26] dysfunction drug. What were you talking
[00:08:28] about? Speak slowly so we can
[00:08:30] understand." into the microphone. Has
[00:08:32] that happened? This is not an attack on
[00:08:35] Donald Trump. Obviously, it's not a
[00:08:38] conspiracy theory.
[00:08:40] It's not an attempt to crush the
[00:08:43] Republican party or influence
[00:08:45] the 2028 primary. It's like a question
[00:08:48] that any American should be allowed to
[00:08:49] ask, which is, are federal law
[00:08:52] enforcement officials doing their best
[00:08:56] to stop the sexual abuse of young
[00:08:59] people? And that's kind of a baseline
[00:09:01] requirement, you would say, in a
[00:09:02] civilized country that federal law
[00:09:04] enforcement make a good faith effort to
[00:09:06] stop people from molesting kids. And
[00:09:08] maybe this isn't evidence of child
[00:09:10] molestation. But if it's not, what is
[00:09:12] it?
[00:09:14] What is it? And is anyone trying hard to
[00:09:16] find out what it is? We would hope
[00:09:18] someone does really soon. And more
[00:09:20] broadly, what does this tell us about
[00:09:24] one of the most amazing stories of the
[00:09:27] last 10 years? 2016, the Wikileaks dump
[00:09:31] of John Podesta's Gmail account. There
[00:09:35] was a lot in there. A lot. We were told
[00:09:38] the Russians did it. We end up going to
[00:09:40] war with Russia over that really. That's
[00:09:43] when the whole Russia thing started was
[00:09:44] in that story.
[00:09:46] But now that we've had 10 years and now
[00:09:48] more information, like should we
[00:09:50] reassess what that really was?
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[00:11:11] join us now. Oh, Ian Carol, thanks so
[00:11:13] much for doing this.
[00:11:14] >> Yeah, thanks. Thanks for having me on,
[00:11:15] Tucker. Um, it's a it's a great intro
[00:11:18] because you ask so many pertinent
[00:11:20] questions.
[00:11:22] >> Well, yeah. I mean, look, there's so
[00:11:24] much here and everybody who's even
[00:11:26] paying a little bit of attention is
[00:11:28] getting text after text or pulling up X
[00:11:30] and seeing all this wild stuff. And, you
[00:11:32] know, I I I want to be as responsible as
[00:11:35] I can and and just be very honest like I
[00:11:37] have no idea what a lot of this stuff
[00:11:38] is. And of course, partisanship
[00:11:41] and actual partisan battles are
[00:11:43] distorting the way people look at this.
[00:11:45] But I just wanted to pick one narrow
[00:11:46] sli, no pun intended, one slice of it
[00:11:50] and try to figure out what we're looking
[00:11:52] at here. So, do you mind I know that and
[00:11:54] I am a bad source for this cuz I I
[00:11:56] didn't take Pizzagate as seriously maybe
[00:11:59] I guess as I should have at the time.
[00:12:01] Can you would you mind just giving a a
[00:12:03] recap a basic recap of what this Pizzag
[00:12:06] gate theory was and what we actually
[00:12:10] know about that story?
[00:12:13] Yeah, it's it's another one of those
[00:12:15] stories that was distorted by
[00:12:19] the apparent coverup or at least
[00:12:22] distorted by the media's response to it,
[00:12:25] which was very much a straw man style
[00:12:28] response in that these emails get dumped
[00:12:32] online full of everything that was in
[00:12:35] John Podesta's life. And John Podesta is
[00:12:37] a very powerful and connected man. And
[00:12:39] there was lots of stuff in those emails
[00:12:41] that was overtly concerning, politically
[00:12:43] concerning, ge like geopolitically
[00:12:45] concerning. But people on the internet
[00:12:48] then started to notice these strange
[00:12:50] pizza messages messages about, you know,
[00:12:53] $40,000 worth of hot dogs or something
[00:12:55] like that being flown to DC for parties.
[00:12:58] Um, things that are just like, wait,
[00:12:59] wait a minute. You you think about it
[00:13:01] for just a moment and you realize that
[00:13:03] that does not make sense. And overt
[00:13:04] references to children, too. like the
[00:13:06] these kids ages like seven, eight, and
[00:13:09] nine or I forget the exact ages will be
[00:13:12] in the pool and it'll be heated and they
[00:13:14] will be there for it's like wait what
[00:13:16] are we talking about? So people started
[00:13:18] to dig into what these weird emails were
[00:13:22] and then they started to dig into the
[00:13:24] fact that there's certain pizza places
[00:13:26] referenced a lot um places where these
[00:13:28] people are going and hosting parties.
[00:13:30] they start to notice that this one pizza
[00:13:33] place in particular, Comet Ping Pong,
[00:13:35] um, which was a pizza place right in the
[00:13:37] heart of DC that was run by a very
[00:13:40] politically connected DC insider
[00:13:42] boyfriend to the founder or owner of
[00:13:45] Media Matters. Um, bunch of strange
[00:13:46] coincidences. They start to notice all
[00:13:48] these strange coincidences around this
[00:13:50] pizza shop. And they notice that that
[00:13:52] the Instagram of this pizza shop is full
[00:13:56] of very disturbing images of children.
[00:13:59] um things like children taped to tables,
[00:14:01] things like uh commenters talking about
[00:14:04] uh rape and sexual abuse, things like
[00:14:07] comments about kill rooms and um just
[00:14:10] just so much disturbing imagery on a
[00:14:12] public Instagram account for a public
[00:14:14] pizza place that has photos of like
[00:14:17] Obama having pizza at it that has that
[00:14:20] in these emails Podesta is talking about
[00:14:22] going and having, you know, lunch at
[00:14:24] this pizza place with all these very
[00:14:26] high level political people and it
[00:14:29] started to get very strange and and so
[00:14:33] Pizzagate itself spiraled out into a lot
[00:14:36] of questions and concerns and genuine
[00:14:38] investigation. Um but then it got
[00:14:42] distorted by the media the media
[00:14:45] response which felt a lot like an immune
[00:14:47] response to a dangerous virus. And the
[00:14:51] media response
[00:14:53] then packaged up all of these very
[00:14:55] legitimate questions that never got
[00:14:57] answered. Um, and it repackaged it as
[00:15:03] these crazy people on the internet think
[00:15:05] that Hillary Clinton personally is
[00:15:07] running. She's the top. She's the head
[00:15:09] of a satanic pedophile cabal. And it's
[00:15:13] the whole thing is being run out of the
[00:15:15] basement of this pizza place that you
[00:15:18] see like the absurdity of the sort of
[00:15:20] wrapper they put around this which no
[00:15:22] one was claiming that. No one was
[00:15:23] claiming that Hillary was running it. No
[00:15:24] one was claiming that it was all out of
[00:15:26] the basement of this P. They were just
[00:15:27] asking a lot of questions about very
[00:15:29] legitimate strange things. And then a
[00:15:31] very weird event happened where as the
[00:15:33] media is running this big
[00:15:36] uh kind of smear campaign on these
[00:15:39] questions, a guy conveniently walks into
[00:15:43] that pizza place with an AR gun and
[00:15:47] shoots the place up. Um
[00:15:50] doesn't hit anybody, but manages to
[00:15:52] shoot a bullet straight through the hard
[00:15:53] drive that's in the back room somehow
[00:15:56] and gets arrested by police very
[00:15:58] publicly. They have a big photo shoot
[00:16:00] and he gives a couple of sound bites as
[00:16:03] they're hauling him off that are
[00:16:05] something to the effect of I was so
[00:16:08] convinced that it was all real and that
[00:16:10] it was all here and it's just not or
[00:16:13] something. And and so it's like, wow,
[00:16:15] that is sure convenient that um good
[00:16:19] thing that Hillary Clinton's not
[00:16:20] personally running a giant satanic
[00:16:22] pedophile ring out of the basement of
[00:16:24] this pizzeria, which no one was
[00:16:26] alleging. And and that was sort of
[00:16:28] became the wrap-up smear. um as you know
[00:16:31] Nancy Pelosi has described to us in the
[00:16:33] past how a wrap-up smear works where you
[00:16:36] wrap a problematic narrative up in a
[00:16:39] false representation of it and then you
[00:16:42] have something crazy happen dangerous
[00:16:45] crazy uh you know objectionable happen
[00:16:48] around that. So then you can look at it
[00:16:49] and say that's dangerous. These
[00:16:51] conspiracy theories are dangerous and
[00:16:53] anyone that engages in these conspiracy
[00:16:55] theories is dangerous. So we can censor
[00:16:57] them all off the internet because it's
[00:16:58] been debunked. Um, you know, don't pay
[00:17:02] attention to the fact that the guy that
[00:17:03] owns the pizza place that has the images
[00:17:05] of children on their Instagram is the
[00:17:08] boyfriend of the guy that runs Media
[00:17:10] Matters, who is one of the primary
[00:17:13] debunkers of these things. So, those are
[00:17:15] the sorts of weird things that happened
[00:17:17] around the breaking of Pizzagate. And no
[00:17:20] one ever got any answers. Um, no, no one
[00:17:23] ever no one in government ever took it
[00:17:25] seriously. Um, and all those emails are
[00:17:28] still out there floating. They're harder
[00:17:29] to find these days, but they're still
[00:17:31] out there. And uh the Instagram accounts
[00:17:33] were they were preserved in various
[00:17:37] formats online, archived. Um so you can
[00:17:39] still find a lot of the evidence, but
[00:17:40] it's a lot harder to verify now because
[00:17:42] you do make a great point about the
[00:17:44] current email release that a lot of
[00:17:47] gets mixed in and a lot of
[00:17:49] stuff of questionable veracity gets
[00:17:51] mixed in. And so you have to be very
[00:17:52] careful about sourcing it all,
[00:17:53] especially um 10 years down the line
[00:17:55] with something like Pizzagate.
[00:17:57] May May I ask is do you know if it's
[00:18:01] true and I I believe it is but so the
[00:18:04] man you just referred to who shot up
[00:18:06] comment pizza in Washington which by the
[00:18:08] way was like very close to my house
[00:18:10] where I raised my I brought my children
[00:18:11] there cuz it was the pizza place in my
[00:18:13] neighborhood which the whole thing is so
[00:18:14] weird.
[00:18:15] >> One of the reasons I didn't take it
[00:18:17] seriously I was like oh yeah that's
[00:18:18] right that's on Connecticut Avenue it's
[00:18:19] right
[00:18:19] >> yeah right
[00:18:21] >> too close to it. Um, but the guy who
[00:18:23] shot it up, who seemed a little bit off,
[00:18:26] right, was just shot to death last
[00:18:29] month, right before these emails were
[00:18:31] released by police in North Carolina,
[00:18:35] who pulled him over apparently on
[00:18:36] suspicion that he was a fugitive of some
[00:18:39] kind. I don't think that he was. They
[00:18:41] said he reached for a gun and two cops
[00:18:43] killed him. That guy, that same guy was
[00:18:45] killed right before that.
[00:18:46] >> Yeah.
[00:18:47] >> Document released. Is that true?
[00:18:50] >> I heard the same reporting. Obviously, I
[00:18:52] at this point I don't really know what's
[00:18:54] true. Um, the whole world feels a little
[00:18:56] bit like the Matrix, but yes, I read the
[00:18:57] same reporting
[00:18:59] >> and I this the nuance was not lost on
[00:19:02] me, but I like I don't know about you or
[00:19:05] anyone else, but I was in no way
[00:19:08] expecting to find pizza references in
[00:19:11] the Epstein files, even though I had dug
[00:19:13] deeply into the Pizzagate stuff. And
[00:19:15] even though we know that Jeffrey Epstein
[00:19:17] is a human trafficker that is, you know,
[00:19:20] trafficking in the same things that
[00:19:22] Pizzagate would allege gets pizza
[00:19:24] references, it just never it never
[00:19:26] occurred. I wasn't expecting any pizza
[00:19:28] references. So, it kind of blew my mind
[00:19:31] when suddenly there's like 800 and
[00:19:33] something references to pizza in these
[00:19:36] emails and especially you picked out
[00:19:37] some really really uh great one like
[00:19:40] obvious ones um at the at the opener
[00:19:42] there where I mean like pizza and grape
[00:19:45] soda is a very overt pairing um that I'm
[00:19:49] not sure I've ever seen anyone actually
[00:19:51] like eat as a pairing. Well, and also I
[00:19:55] mean these are people well first of all
[00:19:56] in this exchange apparently one guy's a
[00:19:58] physician and the other is Jeffrey
[00:20:00] Epstein and these are health obsessed
[00:20:02] people. These are people who talk about
[00:20:03] getting blood transfusions just to
[00:20:05] extend their lives and I know as an
[00:20:08] actual pizza fan that pizza is very
[00:20:12] unhealthy. I mean it's been a lifelong
[00:20:14] struggle for me. Pizza and grape soda
[00:20:17] like these are the last things that
[00:20:19] people who care about their health eat.
[00:20:22] And these are, you know, there's a whole
[00:20:23] class of people who are well, vain for
[00:20:26] one thing. Um, but who are very focused
[00:20:29] on their on themselves and their
[00:20:31] physical health. And it just sort of
[00:20:34] >> I don't know. It's a lot for me to
[00:20:36] believe that the one thing that
[00:20:38] Epstein's friends and John Podesta's
[00:20:40] friends have in common is they both have
[00:20:43] a steady diet of pizza and grape soda.
[00:20:45] Like, I I just don't believe. Not only
[00:20:47] do they have a steady diet of that, but
[00:20:49] they feel compelled to email each other
[00:20:51] about it with very [laughter] weird
[00:20:52] verbiage. How many how many grown men
[00:20:54] email each other about getting pizza or
[00:20:57] about how tasty the pizza was or about
[00:20:59] how many slices you can slice a pizza up
[00:21:01] into or how many people will be at the
[00:21:04] pizza party. Um, then there's another
[00:21:07] email in the current dump that is even
[00:21:10] um, it stuck out to me because it has
[00:21:12] the word Red Hook in it, which at at
[00:21:14] first I didn't have the context and I
[00:21:15] was it seemed suspicious the words Red
[00:21:17] Hook where it was someone was emailing
[00:21:20] asking if another guy can go to Red Hook
[00:21:23] for a pizza meal later.
[00:21:26] And then in looking into it, it turns
[00:21:28] out that Red Hook is the address of
[00:21:30] where Jeffrey Epstein's uh, Virgin
[00:21:32] Islands businesses are doiciled. It's
[00:21:34] the It's on the marina where you would
[00:21:37] leave in the boat to get to his island.
[00:21:40] And so then it gets then it's almost
[00:21:42] weirder. Someone was emailing asking if
[00:21:45] another man can go to where Jeffrey
[00:21:48] Epste's business is doiciled for a pizza
[00:21:51] meal at some. There's a lot of emails
[00:21:54] like that where people ask if they can
[00:21:56] use the apartment for a bit or if we can
[00:21:58] go get pizza for a few hours or for 30
[00:22:01] minutes. is that's a pizza get reference
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[00:23:28] >> has anyone
[00:23:30] been asked about this? I mean, is it,
[00:23:32] you know, some a lot of the people in
[00:23:34] these exchanges or apparently in these
[00:23:36] exchanges are still live? Some of them
[00:23:39] are prominent people still uh including
[00:23:42] the apparently the doctor in this
[00:23:44] exchange has do you know if anyone has
[00:23:47] just been asked in a straightforward
[00:23:48] way, what do you what what was this?
[00:23:51] >> Not since Pizzagate as far as I'm aware.
[00:23:53] Um, I mean to be fair, it's it's all a
[00:23:56] little new. We're all, you know, we're
[00:23:58] still in the first week here, but um,
[00:24:00] no, I don't know of anyone being asked
[00:24:02] directly about any of these references
[00:24:04] or or about any of the more overt stuff
[00:24:07] for that matter. Um, the other, you
[00:24:10] know, very rich and powerful people that
[00:24:11] are caught with their pants down, so to
[00:24:13] speak, here. Um, a couple people have
[00:24:14] issued apologies. A couple people have,
[00:24:16] you know, resigned from positions, but
[00:24:18] it's entirely underwhelming the the
[00:24:21] official response because it's one thing
[00:24:23] for someone like you or me, um,
[00:24:26] journalists to go and ask questions,
[00:24:28] which is good and should be happening,
[00:24:30] but that's not what should be happening.
[00:24:32] What should be happening is law
[00:24:33] enforcement should be at their door
[00:24:35] knocking and asking these questions.
[00:24:36] like we should have institutions that
[00:24:39] are there asking these questions and
[00:24:41] many more many there's I mean this is a
[00:24:44] particularly interesting and and dark
[00:24:46] thread when you really unwinded but
[00:24:49] there's obviously all the other threads
[00:24:51] of just like hey you went to the island
[00:24:53] hey you said you never talked to him but
[00:24:55] you did so and none of those questions
[00:24:57] are being asked um that we're being told
[00:24:59] that it's all a Democrat hoax and that
[00:25:02] um that Caspel would arrest someone if
[00:25:05] there was anyone to arrest test. So,
[00:25:07] it's very underwhelming.
[00:25:09] >> Yeah. I mean, I I always am suspicious
[00:25:12] of people who kind of jump ahead to
[00:25:15] things like arrest, conviction,
[00:25:17] incarceration, execution. Like,
[00:25:18] >> how about let's just start with an
[00:25:20] interview. And, you know, I know a lot
[00:25:22] of people who've been interviewed by the
[00:25:23] FBI. I know hundreds of people have been
[00:25:25] interviewed, right? Well, exactly. But
[00:25:27] in the context of a federal
[00:25:29] investigation, it's it's not crazy to
[00:25:32] call somebody. In fact, it's common. And
[00:25:34] it happens every single day. Happened to
[00:25:37] like every relative of every J6 prisoner
[00:25:40] got called in, sat down. Can we come
[00:25:43] talk to you? I mean, that it's that's
[00:25:45] not weird. That's the beginning of
[00:25:48] justice. That's the that's the first
[00:25:50] step in finding out what happened,
[00:25:52] punishing the guilty, exonerating the
[00:25:54] innocent, is having these conversations
[00:25:56] in the context of a of a federal
[00:25:58] investigation, like an FBI interview.
[00:26:01] And I I find it very strange that none
[00:26:04] of this has happened. And so when you
[00:26:06] see people on television say, "Well, we
[00:26:09] don't have the, you know, any evidence
[00:26:12] to indict someone, you know, panel a
[00:26:15] grand jury." It's like, I don't know who
[00:26:17] talked about a grand. Why don't you just
[00:26:19] ask questions of you're the FBI and if
[00:26:22] they're not doing that, then you you
[00:26:24] sort of wonder why. So let me just Okay,
[00:26:25] so here's the bigger picture that you're
[00:26:27] qualified to provide and I'm not.
[00:26:30] The implication of this and a lot of
[00:26:32] other things in this file dump is that
[00:26:35] there are basically religious rituals
[00:26:39] sexual in nature that's very common
[00:26:41] through history. Um there were temple
[00:26:44] prostitutes for a reason that there are
[00:26:46] rituals involving children underway in
[00:26:50] the United States and the west rich and
[00:26:53] powerful people sexually abusing young
[00:26:56] people. Um, that is very hard for a lot
[00:26:59] of people to believe or metabolize, but
[00:27:02] it feels like that's not totally crazy.
[00:27:05] Like that happens. Does that happen?
[00:27:08] >> I mean, absolutely. It's um it's it's so
[00:27:14] dark that it's hard for average people,
[00:27:16] regular people that are just trying to
[00:27:18] live their lives to even approach it and
[00:27:20] even even imag like you cannot put
[00:27:22] yourselves in the shoes of someone so
[00:27:25] depraved. Um, and honestly like regular
[00:27:28] Americans can't even put themselves in
[00:27:30] the shoes of a millionaire, let alone a
[00:27:31] billionaire because like they're just
[00:27:33] trying to pay their bills and they can't
[00:27:35] because the billionaires are, you know,
[00:27:37] doing certain these billionaires at
[00:27:38] least are doing certain things that are
[00:27:40] messing everything up. But so it's so
[00:27:42] far removed from our regular experience
[00:27:43] that it's hard to understand and
[00:27:45] believe. But it it is I mean there
[00:27:48] there's been good evidence of elements
[00:27:51] of that in various kind of fringe
[00:27:53] investigations for a long time. And I
[00:27:55] don't say fringe to mean they're
[00:27:56] unreliable. I mean fringe to say that
[00:27:58] they just never get traction with the
[00:28:00] mainstream media for whatever reason,
[00:28:01] right? Um but they it is it's it's right
[00:28:04] there in these emails and in these files
[00:28:06] and it's not entirely clear what all of
[00:28:08] it means, but there's very overt
[00:28:10] references. There's covert references
[00:28:12] and there's just mounting because people
[00:28:15] are still digging through them. These
[00:28:16] are millions of files and no uh
[00:28:20] effective way to sort through them the
[00:28:21] way that the DOJ put them out. Um, and
[00:28:24] so the evidence is mounting more and
[00:28:26] more that we have everything in these
[00:28:28] files from people that were turning a
[00:28:31] blind eye, um, which is also
[00:28:33] reprehensible. People that were adjacent
[00:28:35] and complicit, people that were directly
[00:28:37] complicit, people that were straight up
[00:28:38] evil and and disgusting, and then people
[00:28:41] that that venture into the demonic or
[00:28:44] the truly depraved. And um
[00:28:48] and people that have been following this
[00:28:50] story have known for a long time that
[00:28:53] unfortunately that is uh that that's
[00:28:56] always been a part of it and we've had
[00:28:57] evidence that that's a part of it for a
[00:28:58] long time. And that's true of most all
[00:29:02] human trafficking networks. Um the
[00:29:05] people that are doing human trafficking
[00:29:07] by their nature are some of the most
[00:29:08] depraved people on this planet. And it's
[00:29:10] an enormous industry and it's not
[00:29:12] getting any smaller. And it it's it's
[00:29:16] tragic that it takes something so overt
[00:29:19] as you know this massive blackmail ring
[00:29:22] apparently blowing up in the middle of
[00:29:24] the United States government and across
[00:29:26] the entire world and then trailing out
[00:29:29] in a like 10 year long cover up almost
[00:29:31] sevenyear long cover up for people to
[00:29:33] even like confront that this is
[00:29:36] happening. But uh it's definitely
[00:29:38] happening. Um, not everyone in the files
[00:29:41] is, you know, participating in
[00:29:42] ritualistic sacrifices or anything like
[00:29:44] that. And there are fake things in the
[00:29:48] files that are
[00:29:49] >> Yes.
[00:29:49] >> for whatever reason in there, for one
[00:29:52] example, one that went very viral is
[00:29:53] there's an image in the files of a
[00:29:55] cutting board with chickens on it and
[00:29:58] like a black box uh censored out, but
[00:30:01] there's like a foot sticking out and
[00:30:03] it's obviously a baby's foot. And the
[00:30:05] implication is that it's a cutting board
[00:30:07] with some chickens and like a baby and
[00:30:08] they're gonna carve it up and eat it.
[00:30:10] Um,
[00:30:13] by my understanding that is a fake
[00:30:15] image. I do like it's it's kind of hard
[00:30:17] to tell what's real and what's fake at
[00:30:19] this point, but there's stuff like that
[00:30:20] in there that's like
[00:30:23] um so there's just a lot of there's a
[00:30:26] lot of um really messed up stuff in
[00:30:27] there, but there's also a lot of people
[00:30:30] running away with a little tidbit for
[00:30:34] views or clicks or likes or whatever it
[00:30:36] is. And so, um, it's really important
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[00:32:18] I'm I'm really almost overwhelmed by the
[00:32:22] cover up of it and by the people I know
[00:32:25] who participated in that. And I'll just
[00:32:27] name two of them. One is Bill Bar, who's
[00:32:30] the two-time attorney, Republican
[00:32:31] attorney general, whose father, by the
[00:32:33] way, started Jeffrey Ebstein's career.
[00:32:36] His father, Donald Bar, um was a former
[00:32:39] OSS CIA officer. Uh, in the files, I
[00:32:42] should also say that Jeffrey Epstein
[00:32:44] describes Bill Barr, the former AG, as
[00:32:48] quote CIA. Jeffrey Epstein privately
[00:32:50] says this guy's CIA.
[00:32:53] Bill Bar covered up Epstein's murder. He
[00:32:56] was clearly murdered in federal
[00:32:57] detention. Bar said out loud, "We got to
[00:33:00] make sure everyone thinks this is a
[00:33:01] suicide."
[00:33:03] So, why isn't he being asked about this?
[00:33:06] And the second is Mike Pompeo. And Mike
[00:33:08] Pompeo was caught plotting to murder
[00:33:11] Julian Assange, the head of Wikileaks.
[00:33:14] Why is this significant?
[00:33:15] >> Well, because it was Wikileaks that made
[00:33:18] that first trunch of emails available to
[00:33:21] the public. And it was Julian Assange
[00:33:23] who said on camera basically said my
[00:33:25] source, he didn't say this, he didn't
[00:33:27] say my source, but he heavily suggested
[00:33:29] in an interview with Dutch television,
[00:33:30] my source was Seth Rich,
[00:33:33] the DNC staffer who was found murdered
[00:33:36] on the street in Washington in a
[00:33:37] so-called robbery where nothing was
[00:33:39] taken from him. That investigation was
[00:33:41] taken over by the FBI. What? Why?
[00:33:44] And Assange goes on Dutch television and
[00:33:47] says, "I can't see who my sources are,
[00:33:48] but they face great risks." you can pull
[00:33:50] up the interview right now and look at
[00:33:51] it.
[00:33:52] >> And then he points to Seth Rich and the
[00:33:54] interviewer's like, "Wait, are you
[00:33:55] saying Seth Rich was murdered for this?"
[00:33:56] And Assange is like, "Look, I can't tell
[00:33:57] you who my sources are, but my sources
[00:33:59] take great risks. Seth Rich just got
[00:34:01] murdered." I mean, that couldn't be
[00:34:03] clearer, right? It was right after that
[00:34:06] that Julian Assange was incarcerated
[00:34:09] first in an embassy in London and then
[00:34:11] in Bel Marsh prison, never charged with
[00:34:13] a crime. And that was pushed by CIA and
[00:34:16] Mike Pompeo. And it's like, wait a
[00:34:19] second. Shouldn't someone ask Mike
[00:34:21] Pompeo? Like, what is this? What is
[00:34:25] this? These are real allegations or
[00:34:27] credible allegations. And rather than
[00:34:29] follow up, you're punishing the guy who
[00:34:32] brought them to light. Tell us how that
[00:34:34] works. Mike Pompeo, has it I mean, Mike
[00:34:36] Pompeo is like wandering free and no one
[00:34:40] asked him about this. Like, what is
[00:34:41] going on? Ian Carol,
[00:34:44] >> you're I every time I talk about this
[00:34:46] story, every aspect of the story from
[00:34:48] Pizzagate to Epstein, everything in
[00:34:50] between, I always have to try not to get
[00:34:52] angry because it when you think about,
[00:34:55] especially for me, the cover up, it
[00:34:57] makes me so furious how regular
[00:35:01] Americans are going to jail over like
[00:35:05] smoking a joint or going to jail over
[00:35:07] like paying taxes that are getting sent
[00:35:09] overseas anyways or going to jail over a
[00:35:11] parking ticket they can't afford.
[00:35:12] Whatever it is, this madness in this
[00:35:14] country where we are lawfared to death,
[00:35:17] but but these obvious criminals and
[00:35:20] these people that we at least have
[00:35:21] obvious questions for are just walking
[00:35:23] free. And you bring up two really great
[00:35:25] points. Um that I mean in both cases, I
[00:35:29] think it's obvious that they those
[00:35:31] actions are being taken on behalf of
[00:35:34] whatever criminal organizations or
[00:35:36] happenings are being exposed. for
[00:35:37] example, in those email dumps that Seth
[00:35:41] Rich probably leaked, cuz it wasn't just
[00:35:43] Pizzagate stuff. It was also all sorts
[00:35:44] of Benghazi stuff, all sorts of Hillary
[00:35:46] Clinton stuff, all sorts of other uh
[00:35:49] really serious stuff that that also was
[00:35:52] never asked of the appropriate parties.
[00:35:54] But I mean, when you start talking about
[00:35:57] who's still walking free that that we
[00:35:59] should be asking questions of and we're
[00:36:01] looking at the Epstein investigation,
[00:36:03] that list immediately grows to like a
[00:36:05] 100 miles long. And we got in one of
[00:36:08] the, you know, one of the document drops
[00:36:10] that happened a couple weeks ago and
[00:36:12] then we recroborated it multiple times
[00:36:14] since then, we got a list of 10
[00:36:17] co-conspirators that they have had for
[00:36:19] years from one of their old
[00:36:22] investigations that just never happened
[00:36:24] because they were, you know, Cash Patel
[00:36:26] has been telling us there are no
[00:36:28] co-conspirators. There is no there is no
[00:36:31] organization. It was just him alone. Um,
[00:36:33] but we've got a document saying that
[00:36:35] they had 10 co-conspirators. one of whom
[00:36:37] was Leslie Wexner. Um they're named and
[00:36:40] that the list is long. Like there's
[00:36:41] pilots, we know their names, Larry
[00:36:42] Vaski, there's three different pilots.
[00:36:44] There's a bunch of um other madams like
[00:36:47] Gain Maxwell, but you know, assistants
[00:36:49] that were helping to recruit girls.
[00:36:51] There's a bunch of other people that uh
[00:36:53] were trafficking models and bringing
[00:36:56] models in and out. There there's just
[00:36:58] this long there's an enormously long
[00:37:01] list um of people in various roles all
[00:37:05] around Epstein that we know full well
[00:37:08] were at the very least
[00:37:11] deeply suspiciously involved where they
[00:37:14] they should be asked some very serious
[00:37:16] questions. I mean right up to Ahood
[00:37:18] Barack you know who by my accounting
[00:37:21] looks like the handler of Epstein. Um,
[00:37:23] he certainly looks like we have all
[00:37:25] these emails from both Ahood Barack's
[00:37:27] email server now and from Jeffrey
[00:37:28] Epste's uh like trove of documents that
[00:37:31] corroborate them doing what looks like
[00:37:34] intelligence operations all around the
[00:37:35] world and in the United States. Um,
[00:37:39] so there's there's just an endless
[00:37:41] number of people that, like you were
[00:37:43] saying earlier, that we could at least
[00:37:44] investigate because it's in the name,
[00:37:47] the Federal Bureau of Investigation. And
[00:37:49] they keep on giving us this line as
[00:37:52] though like, well, we've got emails, but
[00:37:54] it's not illegal to party with Jeffrey
[00:37:56] Epstein. And it's like, we're not asking
[00:37:57] you to read the emails. We're asking you
[00:37:59] to investigate all of the myriad
[00:38:02] suspicious things that are documented
[00:38:05] here in these files and emails. Um, and
[00:38:07] instead of getting investigation, we're
[00:38:10] getting what looks like cover up,
[00:38:12] denial, distraction, anything. Anything
[00:38:15] but investigation. Um, and it kind of
[00:38:18] makes you wonder why.
[00:38:20] >> Well, it definitely makes you wonder
[00:38:21] why. And part of it is the political
[00:38:22] dynamic which, you know, poisons
[00:38:24] everything. And Trump is obviously
[00:38:27] sensitive to like partisan traps after
[00:38:30] the the Russian nonsense, which was a
[00:38:33] lie. Russia gate was a lie. By the way,
[00:38:34] Russia Gate was constructed, in my view,
[00:38:37] in part to cover up the origin of the
[00:38:41] DNC emails in 2016 and the John Podesta
[00:38:45] Gmail in 2016.
[00:38:47] >> Neither of which was done by Russia.
[00:38:51] >> Clearly, you know, there's a lot more
[00:38:53] there.
[00:38:54] >> We're not allowed to ask questions about
[00:38:56] Seth Rich. I don't know why. Seth Rich's
[00:38:59] parents don't own that story. I feel so
[00:39:01] sorry for them, of course, but I'm an
[00:39:02] American citizen. And if someone is
[00:39:03] murdered on the street in Washington, I
[00:39:05] we all have an interest in asking what
[00:39:07] was that. That's not an attack on his
[00:39:09] memory. It's a demand for justice in the
[00:39:12] name of every single American, not just
[00:39:15] his family. They don't get to shut it
[00:39:16] down. Sorry. Etc., etc., etc. Like
[00:39:18] there's all of this gets to the
[00:39:20] foundation of our system, which is
[00:39:22] justice. Is every citizen treated the
[00:39:24] same under the law or not? And if not,
[00:39:26] then we need to fix that. So, um, and I
[00:39:29] know that Trump is really worried. This
[00:39:30] is a trap laid for him. I'm sure it is,
[00:39:33] but let's set that aside and ask about
[00:39:36] the rest of us and whether our country
[00:39:38] can continue on the same basis um that,
[00:39:40] you know, we assumed we were living
[00:39:42] under, which is again, you know, one of
[00:39:45] equal justice under the law. So, um, can
[00:39:47] you just go through some of the
[00:39:49] questions and I think both of us are
[00:39:51] trying to be really responsible and
[00:39:53] fact-based here. Clearly there's
[00:39:54] nonsense in this document dump. Don't
[00:39:57] want to get trapped by it. Don't want to
[00:39:59] fall for it. Okay. But on the on the
[00:40:02] basis of things that we can say with
[00:40:04] some certainty are true or seem to be
[00:40:06] true. What are the questions that you
[00:40:08] having gone through this for several
[00:40:10] days now think that we should be asking
[00:40:13] following up on?
[00:40:15] Um well there's questions for a lot of
[00:40:17] different people and some of them are
[00:40:18] more serious and some of them are maybe
[00:40:20] less serious. Um, one of the biggest
[00:40:24] ones in many ways is
[00:40:27] how did we let Bill Gates be in charge
[00:40:30] of the medical decisions of our entire
[00:40:32] nation when apparently [laughter] he was
[00:40:34] trying to slip uh antibiotics to his
[00:40:38] wife secretly because he transferred
[00:40:40] sexually transmitted diseases from
[00:40:42] hookers on Jeffrey Epstein's islands to
[00:40:44] her. That is insane. And when you look
[00:40:47] back at the [laughter] absolutely just
[00:40:49] the crime against humanity that co was
[00:40:52] and you realize who Bill Gates is and
[00:40:55] who he who he's exposed to be in these
[00:40:57] emails, um that's atrocious, but that
[00:41:00] that's less of a question we need to ask
[00:41:02] and more of a person we need to just
[00:41:05] forget about forever. Right. [laughter]
[00:41:07] Well, first of all, I just bless you for
[00:41:10] saying that and you put it so well. This
[00:41:12] is the guy who was making health
[00:41:15] decisions for the entire world. And
[00:41:18] apparently from these emails, he's
[00:41:20] trying to slip a drug into his wife's
[00:41:23] drink because he infected her with a
[00:41:24] veneerial disease from a a Russian
[00:41:27] hooker. So yeah, I mean that's just like
[00:41:29] that's just amaz Thank you for saying
[00:41:30] that. It's amazing.
[00:41:31] >> Yeah, that's apparently that's
[00:41:33] apparently our health professionals um
[00:41:36] our pandemic response. But um but I I
[00:41:40] think that everyone that's in the files
[00:41:41] has a certain amount of answering to do.
[00:41:43] For example, Elon Musk and and to Elon's
[00:41:46] credit, at least he's out on Twitter um
[00:41:49] you know, at least putting his words
[00:41:51] forwards. I don't know is they all
[00:41:52] square with me when you actually read
[00:41:54] what he said in the emails versus what
[00:41:56] he's saying on Twitter is the truth.
[00:41:59] >> But like I haven't seen anything that
[00:42:02] directly completely 100% contradicts one
[00:42:04] another, so to speak. Um, so, so
[00:42:08] there's, you know, there's
[00:42:09] reconciliations of because that for
[00:42:11] people that don't have the context,
[00:42:12] there's a bunch of emails of Elon Musk
[00:42:14] trying to sort of organize going to
[00:42:16] party with Jeffrey Epstein, um, and
[00:42:18] explicitly saying, "No, I want to go to
[00:42:20] a wild party. I'm not trying to have a
[00:42:22] relaxing vacation. I'm really stressed.
[00:42:24] I want a wild party." Um, no big deal if
[00:42:26] it's a bunch of young girls. Um, but
[00:42:28] also, it doesn't appear that they ever
[00:42:30] actually managed to make that connection
[00:42:33] happen for a party. Um, they kept
[00:42:35] missing each other. he did have lots of
[00:42:37] meetings with him. Um, so there's those
[00:42:39] sorts of reconciliations that need to
[00:42:40] happen. And then there's the overt lies
[00:42:43] um like Peter Teal's um connections to
[00:42:45] Jeffrey Epstein that have repeatedly
[00:42:47] been a moving goalpost of I kind of knew
[00:42:50] him and I was kind of introduced to him
[00:42:51] to like actually you you've got a whole
[00:42:53] bunch of emails with him. Actually, he
[00:42:55] funded your venture capital firm with
[00:42:58] you know hundreds of thousands of
[00:42:59] dollars. Actually, clearly this
[00:43:01] relationship was much more extensive
[00:43:03] than you uh displayed at first. The same
[00:43:06] is true of Howard Lutnik. Um Howard
[00:43:08] Lutnick, who you know is the commerce
[00:43:10] secretary right now, neighbor of Jeffrey
[00:43:12] Epstein, is on video in interview
[00:43:15] explicitly explicitly saying that I met
[00:43:19] him once way back and immediately knew
[00:43:22] he was a creep and me and my wife had to
[00:43:25] go and we never talked to him ever
[00:43:27] again. never saw him, never know,
[00:43:29] whatever. That's not true. He's in the
[00:43:32] emails obviously like going to the he
[00:43:34] took his family to the island. They were
[00:43:36] hanging out together. They're going to
[00:43:37] parties together. So there there's a
[00:43:38] whole spectrum of um scandal for various
[00:43:42] people that I think needs to be answered
[00:43:44] for individually. And then there's sort
[00:43:48] of the collective government answering
[00:43:51] that needs to be done for the the
[00:43:55] current administration and all of the
[00:43:57] various cuz you know let's be clear the
[00:44:00] partisanship we are it is so pastime for
[00:44:03] partisanship right now. This is an
[00:44:05] American issue. It's not a left or right
[00:44:06] issue. It's not just a Trump issue. It's
[00:44:08] not just a Bill Clinton issue. It's an
[00:44:10] everyone issue. It's a corruption issue.
[00:44:12] And if there's if there's anything that
[00:44:13] should bring Americans together, it is
[00:44:15] harm to our children. And it is
[00:44:17] subversion of our nation using the harm
[00:44:20] of those children. And there's a bunch
[00:44:23] of people in Trump's circle and around
[00:44:25] him that are very much implicated in
[00:44:28] these files. There's obviously a bunch
[00:44:30] of Democrats that are super implicated
[00:44:31] in these files. Everyone all around
[00:44:32] Clinton, Clinton himself in insanely
[00:44:35] implicated. Um, so it's not about which
[00:44:38] side is which. It's to me the question
[00:44:41] there is it's about our government
[00:44:43] institutions answering to how have you
[00:44:46] let this corruption seep in and rot this
[00:44:48] out at its core. Um and in many ways I
[00:44:51] think the heart of who needs to answer
[00:44:53] for that is our law enforcement
[00:44:55] institutions, our FBI and our DOJ. And I
[00:44:58] can't think of anybody who I'm more
[00:45:01] disgusted by right now in our government
[00:45:03] than Cash Patel and Pam Bondi for their
[00:45:07] gross misrepresentation of what this is
[00:45:09] and their their blatant blatant moving
[00:45:12] of goalposts on the way here and um what
[00:45:16] to me in my opinion looks like direct
[00:45:19] obfiscation of B now that we've seen
[00:45:21] these files now that we've read these
[00:45:23] documents go back and rewatch what Pam
[00:45:27] Bondi said, what Cash Patel said, what
[00:45:30] Dan Bonino said about how there's no
[00:45:33] evidence that he trafficked girls to
[00:45:35] anyone. There's no there's no evidence
[00:45:36] that he worked with anyone in any big
[00:45:38] conspiracy. Um, it it's it's
[00:45:41] mind-blowing that
[00:45:44] see these files and we don't even have
[00:45:46] them all yet and that's what you would
[00:45:48] come up with. Um,
[00:45:51] >> so well, and to your to your last point,
[00:45:53] we don't have them all yet. My
[00:45:55] understanding is a little over three
[00:45:57] million I think documents. However
[00:45:59] that's measured. They're not documents.
[00:46:01] They're digital images. Whatever.
[00:46:03] >> Um but that there are a million or more
[00:46:06] than a million more. This is like one
[00:46:08] trunch in a series.
[00:46:10] >> It's a little unclear. We were told
[00:46:11] there'd be we were told that they had
[00:46:13] over 6 million. Um and and so now that
[00:46:16] we have 3 something million,
[00:46:19] speculatively there's several more
[00:46:21] million to go. Um, but we don't really
[00:46:23] know, as far as I'm aware, exactly what
[00:46:25] they have. And one thing that I I think
[00:46:28] we're at a time where it's important to
[00:46:30] remind the American people, cuz a lot of
[00:46:31] people actually don't didn't follow the
[00:46:33] story for a long time. A lot of people
[00:46:34] like didn't read the the literature
[00:46:36] that's been written on the case in the
[00:46:38] past. Um, and a lot of people don't
[00:46:41] realize that it came out in the Gla
[00:46:43] Maxwell trial, um, sworn FBI testimony,
[00:46:45] like the testimony of FBI agents. It
[00:46:47] came out that when they first raided uh
[00:46:50] Jeffrey Epste's home and they found all
[00:46:52] those binders with all of those CDs in
[00:46:54] them that we have we now have photos of
[00:46:56] of like Cam did not scan, Cam did not
[00:46:58] scan. We've got all the the binder
[00:47:00] photos with all the different little
[00:47:01] photos in it. Um
[00:47:03] they at first found those binders and
[00:47:06] all those CDs and all those drives and
[00:47:08] they photographed them all and did not
[00:47:09] take them with them because it was not
[00:47:11] within the scope of their warrant. They
[00:47:13] left and left all of that material there
[00:47:16] with Jeffrey Epste's staff at his place
[00:47:18] and then they later asked them to send
[00:47:21] it to them and it was sent to the FBI by
[00:47:24] Jeffrey Epstein's people and they had no
[00:47:25] way to corroborate if any of it was
[00:47:29] untampered with basically. Um they
[00:47:31] didn't even raid several of his
[00:47:33] properties and and some of the
[00:47:36] properties that they did raid they
[00:47:37] basically had advanced warning um namely
[00:47:40] the island. So, it's important to
[00:47:43] remember that A, we don't have all the
[00:47:45] documents that they actually do have
[00:47:48] yet, but B, the actual documents that
[00:47:51] they do have is built on such a pathetic
[00:47:54] original collection of evidence. Um, not
[00:47:57] not because like all the FBI agents were
[00:47:59] corrupt and didn't want to do it, but
[00:48:01] because something in the system,
[00:48:03] something in the nature of how the how
[00:48:06] this thing was protected uh, prevented
[00:48:09] any real acquisition of evidence where
[00:48:12] where maybe they could have gotten
[00:48:15] I'm sure they could have gotten a lot,
[00:48:16] but you're not going to get a whole lot
[00:48:18] when you raid the pedophiles mansion and
[00:48:20] say, "Hey, would you send me all your
[00:48:22] hard drives in a week? I would love to
[00:48:23] take a look at them." Right? Um, and so
[00:48:25] that when that came out in the Gla
[00:48:27] Maxwell trials a couple years ago, it
[00:48:29] was just sort of like a big slap in the
[00:48:31] face um to the whole the whole idea that
[00:48:35] we're ever going to get any real justice
[00:48:37] here. Um, kind of reminded me of like MK
[00:48:40] Ultra of uh what we have from the MK
[00:48:43] Ultra documents is mind-blowing and
[00:48:45] messed up and completely unbelievable.
[00:48:47] But people often forget that actually
[00:48:49] Dick Helms is B. Our understanding at
[00:48:53] this point is that Dick Helm's burned
[00:48:55] and destroyed well over 90% of the
[00:48:57] actual files that once existed about it.
[00:49:01] So, um, we're we're dealing with a slice
[00:49:03] of a slice of a picture at this point.
[00:49:06] >> MK Ultra um, you know, approaching 60
[00:49:09] years ago, this stuff is like I mean,
[00:49:12] some of these files are seven years old.
[00:49:15] Um, and the people engaged in these
[00:49:18] colloquies are still around. by the way,
[00:49:21] I know some of them. Um, which gets to
[00:49:23] the other point, which is like how was
[00:49:26] Jeffrey Epste at the center of
[00:49:28] everything, every global? I mean, he was
[00:49:31] going back and forth on Libya, you know,
[00:49:34] he's going back and forth in the global
[00:49:35] financial crisis. It's like there's
[00:49:38] really deeply involved in the global
[00:49:40] financial crisis. He was actually
[00:49:42] selling CDOS's.
[00:49:44] >> Okay. So, c can you just I mean there's
[00:49:46] so much here and I hope when I'm Yeah.
[00:49:49] you know, we're in the same place. We go
[00:49:51] through this in much greater detail, but
[00:49:53] can you just tell us what we know about
[00:49:54] that Jeffrey Ebstein's involvement or
[00:49:57] intersection with the global financial
[00:49:59] crisis? What's that?
[00:50:02] >> Um, well, the intersection with the
[00:50:04] global financial crisis specifically is
[00:50:06] a wild story that to be truly told, you
[00:50:09] need to put the evidence on screen as
[00:50:10] well, but the short version is that he
[00:50:13] had a he had a company called Liquid
[00:50:15] Funding Limited that was doiciled in the
[00:50:17] Bahamas. um that was partially owned by
[00:50:20] Bear Sterns. Um and Bear Sterns, you
[00:50:23] know, is where he had come up for a long
[00:50:24] time. And Liquid Funding Limited was
[00:50:27] selling CDOS um the the same types of
[00:50:31] CDOS that eventually caused the global
[00:50:33] financial crisis. It was capitalized at
[00:50:36] I believe hund00 million and uh allowed
[00:50:40] to sell 20 billion with a beat of
[00:50:43] CDOS's. Um, and I actually just was
[00:50:45] looking at that statistic earlier today
[00:50:48] because it's the this is the craziest
[00:50:49] story. And that little CDO factory that
[00:50:54] Jeffrey Epste was running um tied into
[00:50:57] Bear Sterns. And if you recall, Bear
[00:50:58] Sterns was one of the, you know, the
[00:50:59] first to collapse, right? That shut down
[00:51:03] in the months directly preceding Bear
[00:51:06] Sterns starting to collapse. and Jeffrey
[00:51:08] Epstein
[00:51:10] uh redeemed all of those cos, all of
[00:51:15] those assets. That's the terms are I I
[00:51:18] don't know the technical terms for what
[00:51:19] he did, but basically he he made a run
[00:51:21] on the bank on those exact assets that
[00:51:23] were the exact problem. Um and he was
[00:51:26] tied into the exact bank that was
[00:51:28] financially distressed. And then he
[00:51:30] wound that whole company, Liquid Funding
[00:51:32] Limited, up and disappeared. And
[00:51:36] later JP Morgan, the bank that he later
[00:51:39] worked with after, you know, Bear Sterns
[00:51:40] was his early banking career and then he
[00:51:42] later was doing all of his
[00:51:44] moneyaundering and banking and referring
[00:51:45] of people at JP Morgan. They came in,
[00:51:48] swooped up Bear Sterns for pennies on
[00:51:49] the dollar. They also later spun uh
[00:51:51] liquid funding limited back up. There's
[00:51:53] a whole um there's a very overt
[00:51:57] financial paper trail that Jeffrey
[00:52:00] Epstein was
[00:52:02] better acquainted with the problem than
[00:52:04] almost anyone in the world because he
[00:52:06] was deeply inshed in Bear Sterns and
[00:52:08] knew the leadership of Bear Sterns very
[00:52:09] well and he understood CDOS and he was
[00:52:11] selling CDOS's and then he just so
[00:52:13] happens to wind his whole shop up and
[00:52:15] close it down and redeem it all right at
[00:52:19] the moment when things are about to go
[00:52:21] bust. Um, so that's that's a wild rabbit
[00:52:24] hole and it's very interesting,
[00:52:26] >> but um but I mean what is I mean that
[00:52:30] that suggests well it doesn't suggest
[00:52:33] it's like direct evidence of if I'm
[00:52:35] assuming we can verify what you're
[00:52:36] saying
[00:52:38] >> that like the biggest events in the
[00:52:40] world are actually not quite as organic
[00:52:43] or accidental
[00:52:45] as we're led to believe and that you
[00:52:48] know this is like puppet master stuff. I
[00:52:50] mean, it it is. I don't know what to
[00:52:52] say. I don't want this to be true, but
[00:52:54] that's what it looks like.
[00:52:56] >> Yeah. And um the reason why I feel
[00:52:57] comfortable saying that is because I
[00:52:59] actually did produce an entire YouTube
[00:53:00] video on teleprompter with my sources
[00:53:02] directly in front of my face. They're on
[00:53:04] screen. It's on my YouTube right now.
[00:53:05] Yes. Um I think it's titled Jeffrey
[00:53:07] Epstein knew or he knew. And um I put it
[00:53:11] out
[00:53:12] >> middle to late last year. And walked
[00:53:14] through, you know, document by document.
[00:53:16] um not not that we know for sure, not
[00:53:18] that he like you know schemed it with
[00:53:20] his Illuminati buddies, but he was right
[00:53:21] at the heart of it, had all the
[00:53:23] knowledge of it. He was deeply connected
[00:53:24] to all the parties in it and then like
[00:53:26] the timing is just so coincidental. Um
[00:53:29] and yeah, it does start to make you
[00:53:31] wonder about how much of our how much of
[00:53:33] our global events are orchestrated
[00:53:35] versus not. But then, you know, you
[00:53:37] think about the global pandemic and you
[00:53:39] think about like we've got documents in
[00:53:41] the Epstein files that they're talking
[00:53:43] about getting a war in Ukraine started
[00:53:45] and how that's going to be good for
[00:53:46] business. And so you these files have a
[00:53:48] lot of these world events sort of woven
[00:53:50] throughout them um either directly or
[00:53:53] indirectly. It's it's sometimes hard to
[00:53:55] say, but um the reason I think why
[00:53:58] Jeffrey Epste is at the center of so
[00:54:00] many of these things and at the center
[00:54:01] of so many circles and at the center of
[00:54:03] so many, you know, important and
[00:54:05] powerful networks in our world is
[00:54:06] because Jeffrey Epstein was a
[00:54:08] professional money launderer. Um there
[00:54:10] sort of is this there's this facade as
[00:54:13] though we don't know how Jeffrey Epste
[00:54:15] made his money. And then there's also a
[00:54:17] lot of people that will erroneously
[00:54:18] report that Jeffrey Epste made his money
[00:54:21] in legitimate ways but then, you know,
[00:54:22] got into crime or whatever. It's like
[00:54:24] that is that that is not true. Jeffrey
[00:54:26] Epstein went from legitimateish banking
[00:54:30] at Bear Sterns where he was managing
[00:54:32] private wealth for clients and then in
[00:54:33] the 80s he went into his like missing
[00:54:35] years where he said that he was a bounty
[00:54:37] hunter for billionaires. But we have
[00:54:39] lots and lots of evidence that during
[00:54:41] that time he was working with arms
[00:54:43] traffickers, Douglas Lee, Anon Koshogi,
[00:54:45] and Robert Maxwell and getting into
[00:54:48] moneyaundering for arms dealers because
[00:54:50] he was exceptionally good at complex
[00:54:53] financial transactions using
[00:54:54] derivatives, using tax havens, using uh
[00:54:57] charitable uh structures of complex
[00:55:00] charitable organizations like the Bill
[00:55:01] and Meinda Gates Foundation, the Clinton
[00:55:03] Global Initiative, and he got better and
[00:55:05] better throughout his career at uh
[00:55:08] basically committing complex financial
[00:55:10] frauds like the tower financials fraud
[00:55:11] that he was a major part of. And so when
[00:55:15] you get to the end of that line and he
[00:55:17] is getting into the actual human
[00:55:18] trafficking side of it, the blackmailing
[00:55:20] side of it, um money launderers are the
[00:55:23] node that all criminal networks have to
[00:55:26] flow through. Moneyaundering is the
[00:55:28] network, the node that any because it's
[00:55:31] not just like moneyaundering for
[00:55:32] criminal stuff. It's also if a
[00:55:35] billionaire wants to shelter their taxes
[00:55:37] or wants to pay less in taxes. And you
[00:55:40] can read the reporting about how Jeffrey
[00:55:42] Epstein referred Bill Gates and Sergey
[00:55:45] Brin and uh Benjamin Netanyahu and Larry
[00:55:49] Summers to JP Morgan for banking
[00:55:52] services. He referred a bunch of the
[00:55:54] wealthiest, most powerful people in the
[00:55:56] world to JP Morgan for banking services,
[00:55:58] right? which is completely nonsensical
[00:56:03] if you take it at face value. But when
[00:56:06] you realize that that's like how when
[00:56:09] you're in high school and you need to
[00:56:10] like know the guy that knows the weed
[00:56:13] dealer in order to get into like you
[00:56:15] know the back door. It's like you need
[00:56:17] you need that trust network in a
[00:56:18] criminal space because criminals have to
[00:56:20] operate on trust. And so that it's like
[00:56:23] you know a guy that knows a guy to get
[00:56:24] you in the back door for the the back
[00:56:26] door of the banking system is what that
[00:56:28] looks like to me. Um and who would know
[00:56:31] that better than Jeffrey Epstein. And so
[00:56:35] you there's there's this false narrative
[00:56:39] that we don't know how he made his
[00:56:40] money. We don't know what the network
[00:56:42] like we don't that we don't know don't
[00:56:43] know don't know. And what that means is
[00:56:45] that those people have not read what we
[00:56:47] do know. Um and there's a lot we still
[00:56:49] don't know. But uh how Jeffrey Epste
[00:56:52] made his money and why he was at the
[00:56:54] center of so much is not not the great
[00:56:56] mystery that it once was anymore. So
[00:56:58] here's my big picture concern is that
[00:57:01] you know all all these our country and
[00:57:05] the entire west um you know the the
[00:57:08] structure is representative democracy
[00:57:10] some version of that like the people
[00:57:12] rule and it is therefore these are all
[00:57:16] voluntary systems like people
[00:57:17] participate in the system they pay their
[00:57:18] taxes they obey the law they vote they
[00:57:22] abide by the results of those elections
[00:57:25] like all this is just voluntary because
[00:57:26] we all believe that despite corruption
[00:57:29] and imperfection, the systems themselves
[00:57:31] are legitimate, they're kind of run on
[00:57:34] the basis of what they tell us they're
[00:57:36] doing, like this is all for our benefit.
[00:57:40] If people decide that like it's all
[00:57:44] fake, it's all totally corrupt. Our
[00:57:47] welfare has nothing to do with why these
[00:57:50] systems are running. It's all like a
[00:57:52] scam.
[00:57:54] I don't know like what happens then when
[00:57:57] you know this much about the corruption
[00:58:00] can any of these systems continue and I
[00:58:03] should just say for whatever it's worth
[00:58:04] it I like a lot of these systems I grew
[00:58:06] up with them like I'm for democracy I'm
[00:58:08] for you know transparent justice and all
[00:58:10] that stuff I'm not for tearing it all
[00:58:12] down but I I just I'm starting to wonder
[00:58:14] like can any of this keep going now that
[00:58:16] we know a lot of the truth
[00:58:19] >> yeah that is the million-dollar question
[00:58:21] and think um so I'm 33 years old right
[00:58:24] now and I'm sort of of the 9/11
[00:58:26] generation and
[00:58:28] >> um I shudder to imagine how a
[00:58:31] 21-year-old must feel today or a
[00:58:33] 15year-old must feel today because even
[00:58:36] at my age um as sort of like a still
[00:58:40] younger kind of adult um moving into
[00:58:42] like my generation is supposed to be
[00:58:44] moving into leadership roles and moving
[00:58:46] into positions of of taking on the
[00:58:48] mantle of like leading our country in
[00:58:50] the next you know 5 to 10 years And we
[00:58:53] all grew up in this world where the
[00:58:56] first thing we knew as like young
[00:58:58] thinking adults was 9/11. And every
[00:59:00] event since then has felt like a facade.
[00:59:03] It's all felt like lies. It's all felt
[00:59:05] like deception. And it's culminated in
[00:59:07] this moment where we get this massive
[00:59:09] dump of information that just explicitly
[00:59:12] tells us that all the way back to Bill
[00:59:14] Clinton's presidency and even before in
[00:59:16] a lot of ways um our government has been
[00:59:20] blackmailed on behalf of a foreign
[00:59:24] malign malignant sort of an interest
[00:59:27] that then when we all we all see in 2019
[00:59:33] that this guy gets charged, they get all
[00:59:35] this evidence It is now 2026.
[00:59:38] That is 7 years of the American
[00:59:41] government doing absolutely nothing with
[00:59:44] this with this case. Not prosecuting
[00:59:47] anyone except for Galain a little bit.
[00:59:50] Not not asking any questions, no
[00:59:51] investigations, no where where like
[00:59:54] we're told that this is America. We're
[00:59:55] told that this is, you know, the
[00:59:56] greatest country on earth. And what what
[00:59:58] you would expect then from any decent
[01:00:00] country or any decent person if you
[01:00:02] shrunk this down to a smaller kind of a
[01:00:05] frame of reference is you would expect
[01:00:07] that you deal with it. You you you deal
[01:00:09] with it. You don't let people abuse
[01:00:11] children. You don't let people blackmail
[01:00:13] your politicians. You don't let people
[01:00:15] control your financial networks through
[01:00:17] coercion and bribery and and control
[01:00:19] like this. And so when people in their
[01:00:22] 20s and 30s and and everyone of every
[01:00:25] age sees that for for decades now our
[01:00:30] nation has been co-opted from the inside
[01:00:34] and then when they find that co-option
[01:00:37] and then still nothing is done. In fact,
[01:00:39] it's actually actively covered up um for
[01:00:42] almost 20 years now since the initial uh
[01:00:46] sweetheart deal.
[01:00:49] Yeah. I don't know how you um I don't
[01:00:51] know how you come back from that. And
[01:00:54] that's where it feels a little bit more
[01:00:56] like um you remember that there's a
[01:00:58] famous tape that goes around of Yuri
[01:01:01] Bezmanov I think his name is describing
[01:01:03] KG subversion,
[01:01:04] >> subversion of a nation and the stages of
[01:01:07] subversion.
[01:01:08] >> Um it's I I I kind of shudder to to
[01:01:12] think this part of it all through. But
[01:01:14] it really does make me feel like like
[01:01:17] almost like we've been cast from worth
[01:01:21] being controlled to now just being
[01:01:24] subverted. Because when you've been that
[01:01:26] deeply compromised for that long, it's
[01:01:29] it's almost reminds me of like the man
[01:01:32] that has let his values slip for so
[01:01:34] long, has been lost in the bottle for so
[01:01:36] long, or has been cheating for so long
[01:01:38] that that once the lies all come out,
[01:01:41] once the the pain all comes out, it's
[01:01:43] like there's there's no man left.
[01:01:45] There's no which is is like that's an
[01:01:48] unacceptable state of being. That's an
[01:01:50] unacceptable answer. I'm trying to raise
[01:01:51] a family in this country. I'm trying to,
[01:01:54] you know, raise children. I'm trying to
[01:01:56] have a future. And so, so there like I
[01:02:01] think there's people at all different
[01:02:02] stages of grief with this thing and and
[01:02:05] rage with this thing. Um, and I think
[01:02:07] that maybe people that skew olders maybe
[01:02:11] skew more towards like trying to ignore
[01:02:14] it. Um, and I think that people that
[01:02:15] skew younger maybe also like like giving
[01:02:21] up about it, but but I'm somewhere in
[01:02:23] the middle where it's like rage because
[01:02:26] this is like I'm we're supposed to have
[01:02:28] a future here and and I'm I'm of the
[01:02:30] generation that's supposed to be here to
[01:02:32] do something about it. And everyone in,
[01:02:35] you know, from my generation up to like
[01:02:37] Cash Patel's generation, for example,
[01:02:41] everyone of power is seems to be just
[01:02:43] complicit or weak and spineless or
[01:02:46] unwilling to do something, unable to do
[01:02:48] something. Um, so I don't know what the
[01:02:51] solution is, but it's just it's
[01:02:53] unacceptable to me that there isn't one.
[01:02:56] >> Well, that's right. But you also like in
[01:02:59] at the end of what you just said, you
[01:03:00] said people younger than you
[01:03:04] just accept it. I mean, older people
[01:03:06] can't deal with it. It's too much. It's
[01:03:08] too different from what they previously
[01:03:09] believed. And I understand they they're
[01:03:11] tormented by it. Like I I don't believe
[01:03:13] this. It's all crazy.
[01:03:14] >> And by the way, I'm probably close to
[01:03:16] that generation. I am closer than you
[01:03:18] are. And I kind of felt that way. This
[01:03:20] is too crazy. This can't be real. I took
[01:03:23] my kids to brunch at Comet Pizza. I know
[01:03:24] the guys who own it. like there's no way
[01:03:27] this can be real, right? I mean, I'll
[01:03:28] just admit it. I felt that way. I was
[01:03:30] wrong, obviously. So, but I get that.
[01:03:32] But much more disturbing is not just
[01:03:35] that boomers are, you know, out of it.
[01:03:38] We knew that. But that young people
[01:03:41] >> are just like so basically have been
[01:03:43] made, let's just be honest, so decadent
[01:03:46] in their thinking that they're just
[01:03:47] like, "Yeah, of course, you know, like,
[01:03:49] of course we're ruled by satanic
[01:03:51] pedophiles." It's like, how terrible is
[01:03:55] that that people are growing up in this
[01:03:57] country just assuming that the most
[01:03:59] grotesque crimes are the way things are?
[01:04:03] It's uh terrifying. It's absolutely
[01:04:06] terrifying. It's like um it's like the
[01:04:09] generation of children born into the
[01:04:11] camp that have never known anything
[01:04:13] else, [clears throat] right? They've
[01:04:16] never known the freedom. They've never
[01:04:17] known, you know, the sunlight. And and
[01:04:21] for me, somewhere in the middle there,
[01:04:24] when I look at what that what that
[01:04:27] future looks like, if you let that
[01:04:29] subversion slide into one more
[01:04:31] generation,
[01:04:33] it it's like is is it maybe that you
[01:04:35] never come back out? Do you never have a
[01:04:37] respectful country again? Do you never
[01:04:38] have the will to stand on your two feet
[01:04:41] and stand up for your your rights as a
[01:04:43] human again? because
[01:04:46] I'm somewhere in the middle there where
[01:04:47] like I I I at least remember when we all
[01:04:50] believed that we had a country and when
[01:04:51] we all believed that there was
[01:04:52] democracy, when we all believed that
[01:04:54] there was something going on here um and
[01:04:56] that we would have a future and looking
[01:04:59] at young people growing up starting to
[01:05:02] accept that this is just the way it is
[01:05:04] and that nothing will ever be done. Um,
[01:05:06] I shudder to think of if this generation
[01:05:09] doesn't pull it together and and do
[01:05:11] something about this and instead we let
[01:05:14] the next generation grow into just
[01:05:18] being sedated by all the flashing lights
[01:05:22] and the phones and the Tik Toks and the
[01:05:25] whatever else and and just kind of
[01:05:28] sliding into the soma of it all, so to
[01:05:31] speak. Um, that is the most horrifying
[01:05:34] idea in my mind ever. And I that's like
[01:05:37] rage against the dying of the light.
[01:05:38] That is there is no worse fate in my
[01:05:41] opinion. Like I death before um before
[01:05:45] sort of that slide down into the matrix,
[01:05:47] so to speak. Um and I it does feel like
[01:05:50] this is the time. It feels like it's
[01:05:52] >> well but when is the time if not when
[01:05:54] three million documents come out?
[01:05:59] So obviously we're just I mean I'm you
[01:06:02] know traveling we're not this just
[01:06:05] happened. You can't process this stuff
[01:06:07] quickly enough. I mean this is we're
[01:06:10] just touching the surface of what's
[01:06:13] there trying to sort through what's true
[01:06:15] and what's not or even just to absorb it
[01:06:17] like what's in those documents. So, this
[01:06:19] is just the beginning, but I'm I'm
[01:06:20] grateful that you do this because I I
[01:06:22] think you're an honest man and I measure
[01:06:24] that with one in one simple test. Are
[01:06:28] you willing to admit if you're wrong?
[01:06:29] And you have demonstrated again and
[01:06:31] again. If you think you're wrong about
[01:06:32] something, you'll just say, "I think I
[01:06:33] was wrong about it." So, that's what an
[01:06:34] honest man does. So, I think you're
[01:06:36] honest. I think you're obviously very
[01:06:37] smart. You see the big picture um and
[01:06:40] you care. So, I just want to end on two
[01:06:43] questions.
[01:06:45] Where for people trying to assess this
[01:06:48] is a place to get more information about
[01:06:51] these documents?
[01:06:53] Like where as a practical matter like
[01:06:55] where can you go to find you can't just
[01:06:57] like scroll through Twitter all day like
[01:06:58] where can you find stuff the primary
[01:07:01] documents and two
[01:07:02] >> what threads are you you personally Ian
[01:07:05] Carol following up on like really
[01:07:08] getting into in greater detail and where
[01:07:10] can people find them?
[01:07:12] Um, my recommendation for where people
[01:07:16] should go to look into this for yourself
[01:07:19] is
[01:07:21] to double check for yourself basically
[01:07:23] is you should pair two things together.
[01:07:27] One should be the primary source and it
[01:07:29] should always be the primary source
[01:07:31] which is justice.gov/epstein /pstein and
[01:07:33] you should have that website open and
[01:07:36] you should have the search bar right
[01:07:37] there and anytime you see a real on
[01:07:40] Instagram or a Tik Tok or something on
[01:07:42] X,
[01:07:43] >> you can pause that and you can
[01:07:45] screenshot it and you can zoom in and
[01:07:47] you can look at the words that are in
[01:07:48] that email or in that correspondence.
[01:07:50] And if you string together three, four,
[01:07:53] five words exactly as they appear in
[01:07:55] what you're seeing and you put those
[01:07:57] words into the search bar, you'll find
[01:07:58] that email immediately because there's
[01:08:00] only so many emails that have thank you
[01:08:02] for including me last night in it. And
[01:08:04] if you type thank you for including me
[01:08:05] last night into that search bar, you'll
[01:08:07] pull up this one that I have on my
[01:08:09] screen right now where it ends with it
[01:08:11] was fun to catch up with all the girls.
[01:08:13] And so that is a way that you can
[01:08:14] anytime you see someone referencing
[01:08:16] something that's in these files, take a
[01:08:18] quotation out, plug it into that search
[01:08:20] bar and double check it for yourself
[01:08:21] because there's a lot of stuff like it
[01:08:24] went super viral that Jeffrey Epstein
[01:08:27] was Zoron mom Donny's dad which is not
[01:08:30] true at all and it was just like running
[01:08:32] away with this mad um you know social
[01:08:36] media energy. So double check things for
[01:08:38] yourself. Um that's where I would go. I
[01:08:41] mean, and so that with that in mind,
[01:08:43] then you're, you know, you're equipped
[01:08:44] to go watch YouTubers and go watch Tik
[01:08:47] Toks and go scroll X if you want to and
[01:08:49] just, you know, absorb it however you
[01:08:51] want to absorb it. Just remember to
[01:08:53] think for yourself and double check for
[01:08:54] yourself and and take your time because
[01:08:56] there's so much here that a lot of
[01:08:59] people are jumping on narratives too
[01:09:00] quick. A lot of people are chasing
[01:09:01] clicks too much and um it's going to
[01:09:04] take months and maybe even years if you
[01:09:07] know the DOJ if the DOJ doesn't help for
[01:09:09] us to actually unravel everything that
[01:09:11] is in there. So take your time. Um as
[01:09:13] for me, I'm actually working on a tool
[01:09:17] designed to help everyone do this. Um
[01:09:20] we're naming it web after Gary web and
[01:09:22] we're going to give it out to everybody.
[01:09:25] Um where we're just going to put all the
[01:09:26] documents in and cross reference them
[01:09:28] all. It's we're kind of like using a
[01:09:30] bunch of complex AI cuz I wanted to do
[01:09:32] it and my buddy was like, "Hey, we can
[01:09:33] build that way better." Um, and so
[01:09:37] basically building a tool where instead
[01:09:38] of just having a search bar, you can
[01:09:41] have conversations with all the
[01:09:42] documents, but actually have them
[01:09:43] primary sourced right there so that when
[01:09:46] you want to know what's in the
[01:09:47] documents, you can get summaries of
[01:09:49] them, you can ask questions about, you
[01:09:50] can search them all, but actually have
[01:09:51] the original primary sources there. Um,
[01:09:54] so that's actually what I'm kind of like
[01:09:56] diving into really hard this week
[01:09:58] because it's, you know, I can search for
[01:10:00] the word pizza and pull up 851 results
[01:10:03] and open them one by one all day long,
[01:10:06] but ultimately this this data set is
[01:10:07] just way too vast and we need to make
[01:10:10] tools that let journalists dig through
[01:10:12] it in complex ways because obviously the
[01:10:14] DOJ
[01:10:16] wanted it to be let's say that I suspect
[01:10:20] that the DOJ was not very interested in
[01:10:22] making them very accessible as noted by
[01:10:25] them not giving us zip downloads to even
[01:10:27] download them with this time. So trying
[01:10:29] to make them more accessible for myself.
[01:10:31] >> Can I suggest a thread, you know, for a
[01:10:36] a younger, more energetic man to follow
[01:10:37] up on?
[01:10:38] >> Absolutely.
[01:10:39] >> And that's Ebstein's fixation on
[01:10:42] genetics
[01:10:43] and biotechnology.
[01:10:46] >> And it's very clear to me, well much is
[01:10:48] not clear to me at all. And I and I
[01:10:50] don't understand this this category very
[01:10:52] well. I'm not a scientist or a
[01:10:53] geneticist, but I have noticed not just
[01:10:56] with Epste, but with a bunch of people
[01:10:57] in Epstein's orbit, there is a fixation
[01:11:00] on genetics and and changing genetics
[01:11:02] and improving people and cloning and
[01:11:06] >> really kind of tampering with the
[01:11:08] material of life in a way that someone
[01:11:10] who believed he was God would or someone
[01:11:12] who's involved um you know in the
[01:11:15] supernatural would. I mean, there's
[01:11:17] there's really heavy stuff here and um
[01:11:20] and that that really really matters and
[01:11:21] I have not seen anybody go into that in
[01:11:24] a methodical way at all.
[01:11:27] >> Yeah, I absolutely agree. It's there's a
[01:11:30] bunch about genetics and there's
[01:11:31] actually some stuff about transgenderism
[01:11:32] in there. Um that's very fascinating and
[01:11:35] tend to look into that. And then one
[01:11:37] other thread that you remind me of that
[01:11:39] I'm I was digging I've been digging into
[01:11:41] actually for a couple years now and then
[01:11:43] was just producing more on because
[01:11:44] there's a bunch more on it is his
[01:11:47] Hollywood media connections
[01:11:50] um through this woman named Peggy Seagal
[01:11:53] that is she is one of Hollywood's most
[01:11:56] famous madams that had her book of
[01:11:58] contacts that was getting Epstein into
[01:12:00] all these parties and um she's one of
[01:12:03] those nodes of this connection this this
[01:12:05] network that was immediately pushed to
[01:12:08] the side and hidden in the shadows like
[01:12:10] no one she was blacklisted from all of
[01:12:12] Hollywood immediately. Um and I am very
[01:12:15] suspicious about why that was and why
[01:12:17] that still is. And um so so there's just
[01:12:20] loose threads in so many directions. Um
[01:12:24] and I kind of get led by what's the most
[01:12:26] like for example the genetics what's the
[01:12:28] most like messed up or scary or sketchy
[01:12:32] um direction that he's going. And then
[01:12:34] the other thing that kind of pulls me in
[01:12:35] a direction is what's the most uh
[01:12:38] where's the where's the dig that looks
[01:12:40] like there's the most in it about
[01:12:42] whatever topic. Um and so those are two
[01:12:45] that very much have my attention
[01:12:48] >> in Carol. Thank you for taking the time
[01:12:49] to do this. Again we're just at the at
[01:12:51] the very beginning but I just I felt
[01:12:53] like a lot of us maybe all of us are
[01:12:55] being manipulated
[01:12:57] um in the way that we respond to these
[01:13:00] files. Clearly we are. And so I just
[01:13:02] wanted to stop and reorient what do we
[01:13:05] know is true at this early time and how
[01:13:06] should we be thinking about it. And as
[01:13:08] usual, you just delivered. So thank you.
[01:13:11] >> Thanks a lot, Tucker. Appreciate it.
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