Tucker Puts Piers Morgan’s Views on Free Speech to the Ultimate Test

[00:00:00] Whatever happened to Britain or the UK [00:00:04] or England or whatever they're calling [00:00:05] it? We can't even agree on what it's [00:00:07] called. But England, the England that if [00:00:10] you're over 50, you grew up learning [00:00:12] about. The England that controlled the [00:00:14] world. The England that ran the largest [00:00:16] empire in human history. At the end of [00:00:19] World War I, Britain, which is an island [00:00:22] in a pretty unhospitable climate, [00:00:25] controlled [00:00:26] literally a quarter of the Earth's [00:00:29] surface. and not controlled in the way [00:00:31] the United States controls [00:00:34] the rest of the world with an implied [00:00:37] threat or with economic ties through [00:00:40] trade, but actually controlled with [00:00:41] administrators and people sitting at [00:00:44] desks with eye shades counting things [00:00:46] like actually controlled a quarter of [00:00:49] the Earth's surface. way more than Rome, [00:00:52] way more than the Mongols, way more than [00:00:54] anybody ever, or maybe in the future, [00:00:58] ever. Britain was the most powerful [00:01:00] country in the history of the world. And [00:01:02] then 25 years later, it was this kind of [00:01:04] sad, soggy welfare state, which is to [00:01:08] some extent what it still is, except [00:01:10] maybe even a little bit worse. [00:01:12] What happened? Well, there are a couple [00:01:15] levels in which to think about this. [00:01:16] first is just geopolitical [00:01:18] and I guess they spent a lot of money in [00:01:20] these wars and the ruling, you know, [00:01:22] half the class of Eaton 1910 was killed [00:01:24] in the trenches or whatever. You can [00:01:26] think of a lot of different ways to [00:01:27] explain what happened to Britain. The [00:01:30] fact remains, however, they won the two [00:01:33] biggest wars in human history. They won [00:01:35] and yet they're still greatly diminished [00:01:37] and to some extent humiliated. It's like [00:01:39] what is that? [00:01:42] So again the first can be described the [00:01:45] first explanation can be described [00:01:48] in economic terms. Well the United [00:01:50] States took over. The British Empire [00:01:51] just moved west to its child the US. [00:01:56] They just transferred the power and a [00:01:57] lot of the gold to this new country [00:02:00] which had its systems and some of its [00:02:02] customs. Okay. But there's something [00:02:04] kind of deeper actually. If that were [00:02:07] the whole story, then Britain would [00:02:10] still be recognizably Britain. The [00:02:12] English people would still be [00:02:13] recognizably English. They would just be [00:02:16] not in charge anymore. They would have [00:02:18] less money and less power, but the [00:02:21] country would be by any conventional [00:02:24] measurement thriving, just not running [00:02:27] the Bahamas and Hong Kong, you know, [00:02:31] Pakistan. [00:02:33] But that's not what's happened. [00:02:34] Actually, after winning the two biggest [00:02:37] wars in human history, Britain has [00:02:40] shrunken, not just physically, but in [00:02:43] some way that's hard to describe. Its [00:02:45] culture has changed. Some might say, has [00:02:48] been destroyed and it's become something [00:02:50] completely different. And what is that? [00:02:53] And by the way, why does it matter what [00:02:55] it is? Well, it matters because what's [00:02:58] happened to Britain, to England is also [00:03:02] happening to many countries in the West. [00:03:05] Certainly its heirs, the Anglosphere, [00:03:09] and that specifically would be [00:03:11] Australia, New Zealand, the United [00:03:13] States, Canada, Ireland. [00:03:17] It's happening to those countries, but [00:03:18] it's also happening to the rest of [00:03:20] Western Europe all at the same time. A [00:03:23] bunch of different profound, [00:03:27] never-seen before phenomenon are [00:03:29] happening to all of those countries and [00:03:31] again including ours here in the United [00:03:33] States. So it's worth understanding what [00:03:36] has happened to Britain. So maybe the [00:03:39] best image that describes it is the one [00:03:41] that we're about to show you. And in [00:03:42] case there's no context in the tape, [00:03:44] what you're watching is a woman being [00:03:47] arrested outside of an abortion clinic. [00:03:49] And keep in mind as you watch this, [00:03:51] she's not being arrested for throwing a [00:03:53] firebomb, a petrol bomb through the [00:03:56] window of this abortion clinic in the UK [00:03:59] or even for obstructing access to this [00:04:01] abortion clinic. No, she's being [00:04:03] arrested and taken to jail for praying [00:04:07] outside the abortion clinic. Watch this. [00:04:10] >> Before I ask you any questions about [00:04:11] what's going on today, I have to caution [00:04:13] you, which is just your rights, which is [00:04:14] you do not have to say anything. It may [00:04:16] harm your defense if you do not mention [00:04:18] one question. something that you later [00:04:19] on in court. Anything you do send me. Uh [00:04:22] what what are you here for today? [00:04:24] >> Uh physically I'm just standing here. [00:04:26] >> Okay. Why? Why here of all places? I [00:04:28] know that you don't live nearby. I [00:04:30] >> think this is an abortion center. [00:04:32] >> Okay. That's why you're is you standing [00:04:34] here part of a protest? [00:04:36] >> No protesting. [00:04:38] >> Are you praying? [00:04:39] >> I might be praying in my head. [00:04:42] >> Um so I I'll ask you once more. Will you [00:04:44] voluntarily come with us now to the [00:04:45] police station for me to ask you some [00:04:47] questions about today and other days [00:04:50] where there are allegations that you've [00:04:52] broken public spaces protection order? [00:04:54] >> If I've got a choice then no. [00:04:56] >> Okay. Well then you're under arrest [00:04:58] suspicion of failing to comply with the [00:05:00] public spaces protection order. [00:05:02] >> So what is that? It's hard to argue that [00:05:07] if your government is arresting people [00:05:09] for praying that you're watching a [00:05:11] political phenomenon because of course [00:05:15] praying is not simply a nonviolent act. [00:05:17] It's not even a physical act. It can't [00:05:20] possibly at least in secular terms [00:05:23] affect outcomes or harm anyone. Praying [00:05:26] for people can never be a crime. But it [00:05:31] is a crime in Great Britain. Literally a [00:05:33] crime. And the woman you saw is not the [00:05:35] only person who's been arrested for [00:05:37] doing it. So clearly we're watching a [00:05:38] spiritual phenomenon here. I there's [00:05:40] sort of no arguing it once you see [00:05:42] things like that. But what is that [00:05:45] spiritual phenomenon and what are its [00:05:46] effects on the people of this country? [00:05:48] And before we go further, we should just [00:05:50] say that if you visit the the UK as it's [00:05:53] now called or London, its capital and [00:05:55] completely dominant city, the first [00:05:56] thing you'll notice is actually pretty [00:05:58] nice. London is the nice parts of London [00:06:00] are as nice or maybe even nicer than any [00:06:03] city in the United States. Certainly [00:06:05] nicer than any city in Canada or [00:06:07] Australia. Much nicer actually. It's a [00:06:09] great city filled with lots of happy [00:06:10] people. [00:06:12] But broadly speaking, this country has [00:06:14] changed really, really dramatically. And [00:06:16] it's changed in ways that are [00:06:18] recognizable. [00:06:19] And here's what you recognize. The [00:06:22] people of Great Britain are going [00:06:23] through a series of crises [00:06:27] and they're all internal. Drug use, [00:06:31] alcohol use, their appearance has [00:06:34] changed. People are no longer as [00:06:35] wellkept. The streets, the landscape [00:06:39] is not tidy anymore. It's got lots of [00:06:41] litter and graffiti in some places. [00:06:45] And to technocrats, these are not [00:06:47] meaningful measures of anything. Who [00:06:48] cares if you've got graffiti? Does that [00:06:50] affect GDP? [00:06:52] Well, maybe, maybe not. But it's [00:06:55] definitely a reflection of how people [00:06:57] feel about themselves. People with [00:06:59] self-respect do not tolerate public [00:07:02] displays of disorder or filth or [00:07:05] graffiti or litter because they care [00:07:09] about themselves and their family. And [00:07:11] they understand intuitively as every [00:07:12] human being does that once you allow [00:07:15] chaos and filth in your immediate [00:07:17] environment, [00:07:19] you are diminished. So you just don't [00:07:21] allow that and no healthy society does. [00:07:24] But all through the West, these are not [00:07:26] just features, they're defining [00:07:27] features. All western cities are filled [00:07:30] with litter and graffiti and people who [00:07:33] look like they didn't bother to get [00:07:35] dressed this morning, but are instead [00:07:36] wearing their pajamas in Walmart. It's [00:07:38] not just in your town. It's everywhere [00:07:41] in what we refer to as the West. [00:07:44] The point that underlies all of this is [00:07:48] a really obvious one that too few people [00:07:50] say. This is the behavior of a defeated [00:07:53] people. This is what it looks like when [00:07:55] you lose. This is what it looks like [00:07:57] when you're on your way out to be [00:07:59] replaced by somebody else. This is what [00:08:01] it looks like to be an American Indian. [00:08:04] Now, one thing nobody in the United [00:08:06] States ever says about the American [00:08:07] Indians, except in the kind of pro- [00:08:09] forma white guilt way, is these weren't [00:08:12] just impressive people, and no, they [00:08:13] didn't write the Constitution before we [00:08:14] did. These were some of the most [00:08:16] impressive people, most self-reliant, [00:08:19] most dignified breed any account of [00:08:21] early American settlers, people who were [00:08:23] pushing west who came into contact with [00:08:25] Indians and yes, were often scalped and [00:08:27] forced to eat their own genitals and [00:08:29] roasted over fires. I mean, these were [00:08:31] cruel people. But even the people who [00:08:33] were in danger of being murdered by them [00:08:36] respected them because the indigenous [00:08:39] Americans had a great deal of [00:08:42] self-respect. They had what we call [00:08:44] dignity. [00:08:45] And now hundreds of years later, the [00:08:48] opposite is true. The poorest people in [00:08:51] the United States are American Indians. [00:08:53] Why? Because the federal government [00:08:54] hasn't given them enough. The federal [00:08:56] government is completely in charge of [00:08:59] the indigenous economy in the United [00:09:00] States and has been for over a hundred [00:09:02] years [00:09:04] and it hasn't worked. American Indians [00:09:07] are still the poorest. Why? Because the [00:09:10] Irakcoy and the Navajo weren't [00:09:11] impressive. No, they were the most [00:09:13] impressive. Again, read the account of [00:09:15] anyone who dealt with them. Even people [00:09:17] who are dodging their arrows thought [00:09:18] they were amazing people because they [00:09:20] were. [00:09:22] And now they are by many measures the [00:09:24] saddest people in the United States. Why [00:09:26] is that? Some inherent genetic [00:09:29] predisposition to patheticness. [00:09:32] They couldn't deal with modernity. They [00:09:34] probably could. They were defeated. [00:09:37] They were defeated. [00:09:40] And in some deep the deepest way they [00:09:44] wound up destroying themselves. And it's [00:09:46] not unique to them. That's the point. [00:09:47] And just to be completely clear, all of [00:09:49] this is observed with a great deal of [00:09:51] sympathy, not scorn. No one's mocking [00:09:54] the American Indians. Everyone should [00:09:55] feel bad about it for real. Again, not [00:09:57] in a silly white girl guilty way, but in [00:10:00] a real way. These are amazing people, [00:10:03] greatly diminished. [00:10:05] And the reason it's worth remembering is [00:10:06] the same thing is happening to the West. [00:10:09] So the beauty of Thanksgiving is that it [00:10:10] celebrates real food. I mean, at the [00:10:12] core of the holiday is actual food, not [00:10:14] synthetic garbage of the kind that is [00:10:17] almost irresistible. So, wouldn't it be [00:10:19] nice if the country embraced, if all of [00:10:20] us embraced actual food during the rest [00:10:22] of the year, ditching your standard and [00:10:24] truly disgusting American chip brands [00:10:26] for chips that aren't terrible for you [00:10:28] that have only three ingredients? That [00:10:29] would be Vandy Crisps. That'd be a great [00:10:32] place to start. Vandy is about reviving [00:10:36] real food. The kind your grandparents [00:10:38] ate and they look pretty spelt despite [00:10:40] the camels they smoked. Why? Cuz they [00:10:42] ate food that wasn't filled with [00:10:44] garbage. And in this case, Vandy Crisps, [00:10:47] three ingredients: pesticide-free [00:10:49] potatoes, sea salt, and 100% grass-fed [00:10:52] beef tallow. That's it. There's nothing [00:10:54] in there that's weird. No seed oils, no [00:10:56] mystery chemicals, just actual food. And [00:10:58] they taste amazing. If you don't believe [00:11:00] it, try the French onion flavor. We just [00:11:03] got a new shipment which go great with [00:11:04] our stock from Fanny's sister company, [00:11:07] Masa Chips, which clutter our garage [00:11:08] until we consume them, which we do. [00:11:11] Vandy is offering our audience a Black [00:11:13] Friday level offer of 25% off the first [00:11:16] purchase. Use the code Tucker for 25% [00:11:18] off your first order at vandyps.com [00:11:21] or head to masach.com. [00:11:24] Simply click the link in the video [00:11:25] description or to make it even easier, [00:11:27] scan the QR code for this offer. Or if [00:11:29] you don't want to go online, just go to [00:11:31] Sprouts Supermarket, your local Sprouts, [00:11:34] and they have them both. Stop by and [00:11:35] pick up a bag because they're great. And [00:11:38] it makes you realize, especially if you [00:11:40] travel a lot, that the problem is not [00:11:42] necessarily the immigrants. The problem [00:11:45] is what mass migration does to the [00:11:47] people who already live there. [00:11:51] They're the victims of it in a way that [00:11:53] again is hard to measure and sometimes [00:11:55] hard to notice, but totally real. So you [00:11:58] walk through this city, London, and it's [00:12:00] been completely transformed by [00:12:02] immigration, completely. And the numbers [00:12:03] are really, really clear. 100 years ago [00:12:05] was 100% European white. Now it's less [00:12:08] than 40%. Okay, that's massive, [00:12:11] unprecedented demographic change. Got [00:12:13] it. And the immigrant areas are [00:12:16] absolutely poorer than the traditionally [00:12:17] white English areas. Absolutely. There's [00:12:20] just no question about it. [00:12:22] But wealth as measured by the government [00:12:26] is not the only measurement. [00:12:28] Actually, and this is true in the United [00:12:30] States too, lots of immigrants who have [00:12:32] a lot less money than the native [00:12:35] population seem a lot more balanced and [00:12:38] happy both because this is a huge [00:12:40] upgrade for them just in terms of like [00:12:42] annual income and standard of living, [00:12:43] but it's more than that. They're not [00:12:45] defeated. They don't hate themselves. [00:12:49] And if you have traditional nationalist [00:12:52] opinions in the United States, I can [00:12:53] confirm this personally, you're never [00:12:55] going to be stopped on the street and [00:12:57] screamed at by some Guatemalan who's [00:12:59] like, "You are racist for having your [00:13:00] views on immigration." No, they'll [00:13:02] probably agree with you. Actually, the [00:13:04] only people who ever get mad at you are [00:13:07] the people who already hate themselves. [00:13:08] And it's always famously some private [00:13:11] equity wife or somebody who should be [00:13:12] happy about how things are going because [00:13:14] they're in the portion of the population [00:13:15] that's benefiting from it, but they're [00:13:17] not happy. They're angry. [00:13:20] What is that? That exact same thing is [00:13:24] going on in this country. Exact. [00:13:29] And it's part of a very recognizable [00:13:32] syndrome. And it's the most destructive [00:13:35] of all. History is just filled with [00:13:37] examples of people who get invaded and [00:13:40] clubbed to death and have their women [00:13:42] stolen from them. And they're fine. [00:13:46] They're fine. [00:13:48] It's the people who feel defeated inside [00:13:51] who no longer exist [00:13:53] and that is happening to the west [00:13:57] and it's measurable. What other society [00:14:02] hates its own national symbols? [00:14:06] It's only happening in the west only in [00:14:08] Great Britain. [00:14:09] This is coming to be true in the United [00:14:11] States. It's already true in Canada and [00:14:13] Australia. What other country finds it [00:14:15] embarrassing to fly their national flag? [00:14:18] What are you saying if that embarrasses [00:14:20] you? You don't hate the flag, you hate [00:14:22] yourself? [00:14:24] And it's obvious because people who have [00:14:28] dignity, self-respect, who believe in [00:14:29] their own civilization want to continue [00:14:31] it. How do you do that? By talking about [00:14:34] it a lot? No. By continuing it through [00:14:37] reproduction. [00:14:39] No one is preventing the West from [00:14:41] reproducing. [00:14:43] And people have come up with these [00:14:44] conspiracy theories like, "Oh, they're [00:14:45] doing it. They're No, we're doing it to [00:14:47] ourselves. [00:14:50] What else is abortion? [00:14:52] It's not empowering for women." Of [00:14:53] course not. That's absurd. Anyone who [00:14:55] believes that is an idiot. Abortion is [00:14:58] the way to stop people from reproducing. [00:15:00] So is birth control, by the way. Of [00:15:02] course. So is convincing people that [00:15:04] their dumb job is more important than [00:15:06] having kids. It's not. It never will be. [00:15:08] Any person who can get clarity for a [00:15:10] second will recognize that. It's only [00:15:13] about stopping you from having more of [00:15:15] you. And is there anything that's a [00:15:19] clearer, [00:15:21] crystalcle [00:15:23] representation of how you feel about [00:15:25] yourself than how you feel about having [00:15:27] kids? And by the way, it's not just [00:15:29] because they're selfish and they want to [00:15:30] go on vacation and don't want to pay for [00:15:31] children or they're worried about how [00:15:33] much it might cost. Notice that none of [00:15:35] these impoverished immigrants living on [00:15:37] SNAP and housing subsidies, they don't [00:15:38] seem worried about it at all because [00:15:41] they know it'll be fine. By the way, [00:15:44] most of the time it will be fine. [00:15:47] They're having kids when much more [00:15:49] affluent natives are not [00:15:52] because they believe in themselves and [00:15:54] their culture, their civilization. [00:15:56] They'd like to see it continue. It's the [00:15:57] most basic of all human desires. [00:16:00] So here in Great Britain, which has [00:16:02] about a 40% abortion rate, 40% of all [00:16:06] conceived children are killed. Who's [00:16:08] doing that? [00:16:10] It's not the immigrants [00:16:12] because they don't hate themselves. [00:16:14] They're not defeated. They're ascendant. [00:16:17] And so they can see the future. They [00:16:18] they know that they may not live to [00:16:20] experience it, [00:16:23] but they're still fully human. And they [00:16:25] know you plant the tree not because you [00:16:27] can bask in its shade, but because your [00:16:28] grandchildren will. This is the most [00:16:30] obvious of all human instincts and the [00:16:32] most basic. [00:16:34] But the native population in Britain is [00:16:37] not debating abortion because it's not [00:16:38] even a debate here. Everyone agrees it's [00:16:40] just an affirmative good of course to [00:16:42] eliminate your own people. Absolutely. [00:16:44] Again, no one's making them do this. [00:16:45] They've decided to do that themselves. [00:16:49] But now their most enthusiastic campaign [00:16:52] is for state sponsored suicide. [00:16:56] They've already done this in Canada. [00:16:57] It'll come to the United States. What is [00:17:00] that? That's an entire people saying we [00:17:04] should exit the stage. Our time is done. [00:17:08] It's over. Let's go. Someone else will [00:17:10] take our place. Not the first time [00:17:12] that's ever happened. This is what [00:17:14] defeated people do. This is what happens [00:17:16] when you break people inside. [00:17:18] And maybe it'll just reach its terminus. [00:17:21] Maybe there's no way to stop it. The [00:17:23] great replacement theory. Yeah. A [00:17:25] theory. Okay. No, it's it's the realest [00:17:29] thing there is. [00:17:31] And it's happening not because unseen [00:17:33] hands are orchestrating it, though they [00:17:35] are, but because the native peoples of [00:17:38] all these countries are participating in [00:17:39] it enthusiastically and then enforcing [00:17:42] its rules against anyone [00:17:44] who questions it. So, in Great Britain, [00:17:47] if you were to say, "Wait, what the hell [00:17:49] is this? This looks nothing like the [00:17:50] country I grew up in." Guess who's going [00:17:52] to arrest you? Your fellow Britain. The [00:17:55] ones whose great-grandparents lived [00:17:57] here. The whites. 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So, it's with [00:19:35] these questions in mind that we decided [00:19:37] to sit down with Piers Morgan. Piers [00:19:39] Morgan we known for a long time, cable [00:19:41] news host. [00:19:43] Had a debate with him last year, ran [00:19:45] into him in an elevator in the Middle [00:19:47] East and decided to sit down and had a a [00:19:50] really spirited and interesting [00:19:51] conversation with him in which I [00:19:53] attacked his country with the with the [00:19:55] the fury of someone who secretly loves [00:19:58] the country and hates what it's become. [00:20:00] And so we're back here in his hometown [00:20:02] and decided to have this conversation [00:20:04] and it follows in just a second. But [00:20:06] before it begins, just want to be super [00:20:07] clear about something. Piers Morgan is [00:20:09] clearly wedded has decided to remain [00:20:12] wedded to the neoliberal version of the [00:20:14] world where you're not allowed to say [00:20:15] certain things and you have to repeat [00:20:16] certain pieties and it's all pretty [00:20:18] embarrassing obviously. [00:20:20] But in fairness, [00:20:22] Pierce Morgan has single-handedly done [00:20:24] more for free speech, which is [00:20:25] disappearing in Great Britain, than any [00:20:27] other Britain. He has done more for free [00:20:30] speech than any other person in this [00:20:31] entire country. Just want to say this [00:20:33] out loud because it's absolutely true. [00:20:35] And he's done it the oldfashioned way by [00:20:37] allowing other people onto his platform, [00:20:40] onto his show to debate, people who have [00:20:44] no other venue to say what they think. [00:20:47] And you may dis you may disagree with [00:20:48] 50%, agree with the other 50%. It [00:20:50] doesn't even matter. That debate, the [00:20:52] real debate about issues that really [00:20:53] matter that nobody else in this country [00:20:55] is allowed to talk about are taking [00:20:57] place at scale on Piers Morgan's show. [00:21:00] So if you watch this and you think Piers [00:21:02] Morgan has no idea what side is up, why [00:21:05] is he defending the indefensible, keep [00:21:06] in mind that here, and this is an [00:21:09] authoritarian country where disagreement [00:21:11] is no longer allowed. You go to jail for [00:21:13] it by the thousands. People go to jail [00:21:14] for it every year. He alone is keeping [00:21:17] it open. So God bless Piers Morgan with [00:21:19] that. Here's Piers Morgan. Pierce, [00:21:21] thanks for doing this. Taking time. [00:21:22] >> Welcome to my city, [00:21:24] >> which I've been so mean to, including in [00:21:26] a conversation with you last winter in [00:21:29] the Middle East, and I'm attacking Great [00:21:30] Britain. And I just I just want to [00:21:32] apologize and tell you the truth about [00:21:33] how I feel, which is I think that [00:21:35] English culture and civilization is the [00:21:37] highest level ever achieved by man in [00:21:39] history. I really believe that. Um, [00:21:42] everything about it. It's religion, it's [00:21:44] language, it's literature. We've [00:21:46] American society's never produced [00:21:48] literature. I'm embarrassed to say like [00:21:50] what the Brits produced. And so it was [00:21:53] out of sadness and frustration and a [00:21:55] sense of connection to your civilization [00:21:57] that I went on the rant about how much I [00:22:00] hate it. But it was it was it was hate [00:22:03] born of frustrated love and [00:22:04] >> I'm just amazed you're here alive. I [00:22:07] DIDN'T THINK YOU [00:22:08] >> WELL, THEY'RE SO PASSIVE now and [00:22:09] everyone's like bisexual. What are they [00:22:11] going to do to me? Nothing. But um so [00:22:14] but I just want to and I know you love [00:22:16] it. You're a product of it. What is it? [00:22:18] How would you describe English culture? [00:22:21] >> I I would say it's not as bad as many [00:22:24] Americans think it is. And it's not as [00:22:27] good as many people here when they [00:22:30] launch impassion defenses of our country [00:22:33] and our culture and the way things have [00:22:34] gone would like to pretend it is. It's [00:22:36] kind of somewhere in the middle. There's [00:22:38] definitely been a significant change in [00:22:41] the fabric of the country, in the makeup [00:22:43] of the country, in the types of people [00:22:45] who've come here, the volume of people [00:22:47] who've come here. That's obviously had [00:22:50] an effect on what this country is. Now, [00:22:53] the the debate to be had is whether this [00:22:56] has been in totality a force for good or [00:22:59] bad. I took your views, your stride and [00:23:01] views about it when we met in in Saudi. [00:23:03] Um, and I and I pushed back quite hard [00:23:05] because I live here half of the year at [00:23:08] least, most of that time in London. [00:23:10] >> It's always been a very multicultural [00:23:13] city. There's no doubt about that. And I [00:23:14] don't walk the streets as Tommy Robinson [00:23:16] would like. [00:23:17] >> It's not always been a multicultural. I [00:23:18] actually pulled the numbers. It is not [00:23:20] very recent. Yeah. Maybe right after you [00:23:22] were born. [00:23:22] >> In my lifetime. I was born in the [00:23:24] mid60s. But, you know, the way Tommy [00:23:25] Tommy Robinson who has a big following [00:23:27] in America, the way he talks about it is [00:23:29] not something I recognize. Having said [00:23:31] that, as I've always said about him, [00:23:33] there are issues that he's raised which [00:23:35] are perfectly legitimate. The biggest [00:23:37] one is population. You know, in the 50s [00:23:39] with a population of just under 50 [00:23:41] million people and a lot of the [00:23:43] infrastructure like the National Health [00:23:44] Service, the NHS once lorded as the [00:23:47] greatest health system in the world now [00:23:49] has to deal with a population of nearly [00:23:50] 70 million. That is a dramatic increase [00:23:53] in the volume of people in this country. [00:23:55] And the simple truth right now is our [00:23:57] public services are creaking at the [00:23:59] seams and in some cases like the NHS [00:24:03] pretty well at breaking point. And that [00:24:05] is why there is so much agitation about [00:24:08] the simultaneous ongoing issues with [00:24:12] immigration, both illegal with this [00:24:15] ridiculous fast of these small boats [00:24:16] popping up on the south coast on from a [00:24:19] channel from France all the time. when [00:24:21] the weather's good, they just stream in [00:24:23] hundreds, sometimes thousands a week [00:24:26] illegally into the country. But also [00:24:28] legal migration and how we've abjectly [00:24:30] mishandled that since really the turn of [00:24:32] the century. You can chart it back to [00:24:34] the Tony Blair years when they pretty [00:24:36] well opened the the gates to everyone in [00:24:38] Eastern Europe. Way too many people came [00:24:40] in way too fast. And then after that, [00:24:43] there's just been a complete lack of any [00:24:45] form of control. And we now have a [00:24:47] situation where they've had to try and [00:24:50] put the brakes on legal migration coming [00:24:52] in because two years ago we had a net [00:24:54] migration in this country of nearly a [00:24:56] million people. Now it's not racist as [00:24:59] some people are trying to brand it to [00:25:01] say that that is alarming. a country [00:25:04] like ours, if you don't have an [00:25:06] effective border, if you have 50 60,000 [00:25:09] people a year coming in as they are [00:25:10] illegally on these boats and then you [00:25:12] have a net migration of legal migrants [00:25:16] coming in of nearly a million people, [00:25:18] the already crumbling infrastructure is [00:25:20] going to come under obviously enormously [00:25:23] higher pressure. So, it's been a series [00:25:26] of governments, left and right, I have [00:25:28] to say, starting with the Blair [00:25:30] government with what they did with [00:25:31] Eastern Europe and then coming forward [00:25:33] to successive Conservative governments [00:25:35] and now uh the current Labor government. [00:25:37] All of whom, in my opinion, have handled [00:25:40] this so badly that inevitably we now [00:25:42] have a lot of people in the country [00:25:44] going, "What the hell is going on?" I [00:25:46] wonder though, I mean everything you [00:25:47] said is so clearly true and it was Tony [00:25:49] Blair really the lowest probably tied [00:25:53] with Boris but really one of the worst [00:25:54] prime ministers leaders of any country [00:25:56] ever. But I wonder I often hear people [00:25:59] say well it's about the NHS National [00:26:01] Health Service. It's about the roads. [00:26:03] It's about you know NHS is like a very [00:26:06] new creation. It's a post-war creation. [00:26:08] It was never going to work. It's never [00:26:10] worked anywhere. The Brits were so kind [00:26:12] of pathetically proud of it but it was [00:26:13] the whole thing. [00:26:14] >> It did work. But for for a time there [00:26:17] was a time. [00:26:17] >> By the way, if you if you walk out of [00:26:19] here and you fall over and you break [00:26:20] your leg, you'll get treatment quickly. [00:26:22] >> That's great. But the health outcomes [00:26:23] were never uh were never better than the [00:26:25] United States. It didn't actually didn't [00:26:26] actually work. But whatever you could [00:26:27] argue, but the cost of it, [00:26:29] >> but what's different is that for your [00:26:32] whole life, you've been told that what [00:26:34] is Britain what is this project about? [00:26:36] It's about the National Health Service. [00:26:39] That's kind of aiming a little low. Like [00:26:42] who cares about some bureaucratic [00:26:43] structure? What about England? What [00:26:46] about the culture? Like, so in my mind [00:26:48] as a PG Woodhouse reader, lifelong, [00:26:51] >> self-restraint, duty, [00:26:54] >> courage, [00:26:56] >> patriotism rooted in your religious [00:26:58] faith, our Lord the King, a phrase that [00:27:02] was common until recently. All of that [00:27:04] seems to be gone. [00:27:05] >> Well, hang on. We're still a very [00:27:07] majority Christian country, right? Still [00:27:10] 40 odd percent of the country are [00:27:13] Christians, right? That's a fact. [00:27:16] >> So when I hear America, [00:27:17] >> whatever that means, I mean, [00:27:18] >> well, it means [00:27:19] >> you get arrested for praying outside an [00:27:20] abortion clinic. That's not a Christian [00:27:21] country. [00:27:23] >> There are there are there are nearly 50% [00:27:24] of the country identify as Christian. Um [00:27:27] the the more concerning thing for those [00:27:30] who have faith is that nearly 40% now [00:27:33] have no religious belief whatsoever. [00:27:35] Right. Right. Uh then we have a lot of [00:27:37] other religions. There's a slight [00:27:38] amplification of for example the number [00:27:40] of Muslims in the country. There there [00:27:42] are nearly four million Muslims in in [00:27:44] the country and that represents about 6% [00:27:48] of the population but 43 or 4% of the [00:27:52] population are still Christian. So I do [00:27:55] I do think again that the [00:27:57] overamplification of the Islam problem [00:28:01] as people put it or the you know the [00:28:02] Muslim problem has been massively [00:28:04] overstated. That's an op. Obviously [00:28:07] >> hate the Muslims. No, I I we know where [00:28:09] that's coming from. I don't like it. I [00:28:11] hate it. [00:28:12] >> In my high street alone in West London, [00:28:15] most of the businesses would have Muslim [00:28:17] employees there or people. [00:28:18] >> But also, how is hate the Muslims better [00:28:20] than hate the Christians or hate the [00:28:22] Jews? It's all the same. No, it's the [00:28:24] same. [00:28:24] >> And I've heard you I've heard you say, [00:28:25] and this is the point I come from. [00:28:29] >> Hatred is hatred is hatred. I totally [00:28:30] agree. It doesn't matter who you're [00:28:31] hating. The moment you're in the hate [00:28:33] game, then I think you're losing [00:28:35] whatever argument is you're trying to [00:28:36] have. [00:28:37] >> I totally agree. And but moving off from [00:28:39] hate and getting back to the world I [00:28:41] live in, which is fear and distrust and [00:28:43] gut level loathing. [00:28:44] >> Yeah, [00:28:45] >> it's the secular people who are the [00:28:47] problem. I've never had an argument with [00:28:49] a Muslim and with an actual Muslim. I'm [00:28:51] from Bangladesh. I'm a Muslim. [00:28:52] >> We probably agree on a lot. It's the [00:28:54] secular self-hating whites [00:28:56] >> that stand up from the table and leave [00:28:58] when I'm eating with them here. Just [00:28:59] saying. And that's true in my country, [00:29:01] too. But but leaving that said, I'm just [00:29:02] sort of wonder and so I'm not hating on [00:29:04] the Muslims at all. [00:29:06] >> Bad Muslims are bad everybody. [00:29:08] >> I just think a country is more than its [00:29:10] bureaucratic systems and certainly more [00:29:12] than the NHS which I will never think is [00:29:15] impressive. Sorry. Or your metric system [00:29:17] which [00:29:17] >> I do think you're wrong about that. [00:29:19] >> May maybe I [00:29:21] not wrong about the state of it now. I [00:29:22] mean I I'll give an example. What [00:29:25] wouldn't have happened in the 60s and [00:29:27] 70s with NHS is what happened to my both [00:29:30] my parents recently. So my mother had a [00:29:32] heart attack, [00:29:33] >> right? [00:29:33] >> And ended up being put on a trolley in [00:29:36] an accident and emergency unit but out [00:29:39] on the corridor [00:29:41] >> with 30 other people on trolley. It was [00:29:43] Densian. This was like a third world [00:29:46] country. [00:29:47] >> And she got hardly any treatment at all [00:29:49] while she was there. Now, when she [00:29:50] eventually got up, and this is the apex [00:29:53] of the NHS for me, laid bare. When she [00:29:55] eventually got into the heart unit, she [00:29:57] got incredible treatment on the NHS. [00:30:00] Didn't cost her anything. She got fixed [00:30:02] up and repaired. Turned out she had a [00:30:04] blocked artery and she was home in 48 [00:30:06] hours and was great. My father broke six [00:30:08] ribs recently. Again, the same story. [00:30:11] Just kept waiting on trolley and so on. [00:30:13] This is going on all the time because it [00:30:15] cannot deal with the volume of [00:30:16] >> people. We have the same problem in our [00:30:18] country. All the community hospitals are [00:30:19] closing, right? And our emergency rooms [00:30:21] are unusable because of illegal [00:30:23] immigration. I agree with you [00:30:24] completely. I'm just saying if you have [00:30:26] a country whose main source of pride is [00:30:28] it's like healthare system. [00:30:29] >> I don't think it is. I I I [00:30:30] >> really cuz in the 50 years I've been [00:30:32] coming here, no matter what you say, [00:30:34] they're like, "Have you heard about our [00:30:35] healthare system?" It's like I thought [00:30:36] you were about the greater glory of God [00:30:39] and like subduing the world for [00:30:41] civilization and the English language [00:30:42] and our literature and history. 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[00:32:11] Actually, a lot of our universities are [00:32:13] in the top 10 in the world. So, [00:32:15] comparative to our size, which is about [00:32:17] a sixth of the size of the United [00:32:19] States, maybe between maybe fifth and [00:32:21] sixth, but comparative to our size, we [00:32:24] continue in many areas to bat above our [00:32:27] population strength. [00:32:28] >> The the Brits in the Middle East, in [00:32:30] Dubai specifically, are like one of the [00:32:32] engines of the economy. They're amazing [00:32:34] people. I'm actually one of them, half. [00:32:36] So, I I agree. You'll never get me to [00:32:38] say the Brits aren't unusual. you cited. [00:32:40] Funny enough, I that does resonate with [00:32:42] me. [00:32:43] >> We have lost a lot of equalities, I [00:32:45] think, collectively as a country, which [00:32:48] did make this country great. And [00:32:49] >> that's what I'm saying. [00:32:50] >> Yeah. But I I agree I agree with you [00:32:52] about that because I do think that it's [00:32:54] become a bad thing to be patriotic about [00:32:56] our country. There's a huge war about [00:32:58] waving the Union Jack flag. I never see [00:33:01] that war raging in the same way in [00:33:03] America, right? There's a lot of I mean, [00:33:04] I'm giving an example, [00:33:06] >> but it will. That's why that's why I'm [00:33:07] doing this interview. [00:33:08] >> But it may well. Yeah. You know, it was [00:33:09] very interesting when um I did Celebrity [00:33:12] Apprentice. It's where I met Donald [00:33:13] Trump and this was back in, you know, [00:33:16] 2008 and uh the the organization that I [00:33:20] raised money for because it was a [00:33:22] charitable thing. You had to have a [00:33:23] charity was the Intrepid Fallen Heroes [00:33:25] Fund and they had a base down in San [00:33:27] Antonio. So, I went down there and I [00:33:29] remember distinctly coming off the plane [00:33:32] and seeing a load of people with flags [00:33:35] and I couldn't work out what was [00:33:36] happening. I knew it wasn't for me. [00:33:38] American flags. And it turned out that [00:33:40] they were there greeting every single [00:33:43] serviceman and woman who came off the [00:33:44] planes from whichever war zone they come [00:33:47] from because there was a big center [00:33:49] there. A lot of military service people [00:33:51] living in San Antonio. A lot of them [00:33:53] also being treated for serious injuries [00:33:54] and so on. And they were just applauding [00:33:57] and thanking them for their service as [00:33:58] they came off these planes. You'd never [00:34:00] see that anywhere in the UK. That just [00:34:02] doesn't exist as a concept to do that. I [00:34:05] was very struck by that. And you know, I [00:34:07] I do think America generally is a lot [00:34:10] more proudly patriotic than we've [00:34:13] become. We've become almost ashamed of [00:34:15] being British in a way that I don't [00:34:16] like. I think we should be prouder of [00:34:18] ourselves and prouder of what we've [00:34:20] achieved and prouder of what we could [00:34:21] be. But one of the reasons why people [00:34:23] don't feel that pride, I think it's [00:34:25] because we've had a succession of what I [00:34:27] would say are pretty hopeless [00:34:29] politicians who dragged us into a place [00:34:31] where people don't like it. [00:34:33] >> I I get it. But maybe you got those [00:34:34] politicians because the people hate [00:34:36] themselves. [00:34:37] >> I don't that we hate ourselves. We're [00:34:38] just I think I don't know. I think we've [00:34:40] had a shockingly mediocre tier of [00:34:42] politicians. [00:34:43] >> But I mean, the sort of increase in [00:34:46] British massochism, which has famously [00:34:48] been part of your sexual retinue for [00:34:51] centuries, gain me more. Um, [00:34:55] >> no, that's just true. As you well know, [00:34:58] I don't know. [00:34:58] >> Americans love a bit of spanking. [00:35:01] >> No, not in the boarding school way. [00:35:02] Anyway, whatever the point is, that has [00:35:06] increased dramatically since the Second [00:35:08] World War. And I have done a couple [00:35:12] segments on the Second World War that [00:35:13] have been very kind of shallow and not [00:35:15] even really talking about the details or [00:35:16] whatever. You're a Holocaust. Obviously, [00:35:19] I'm not. Whatever that means. Hitler [00:35:21] killed a ton of Jews. That's terrible. [00:35:25] So that's been a diversion really that [00:35:28] specific conversation from a much more [00:35:30] important broader conversation about [00:35:32] what that word did to the west. And I I [00:35:35] think it's totally objectively fair to [00:35:36] say the west by specifically by which I [00:35:39] mean your country which is really the [00:35:41] seat of the west [00:35:43] has been in decline since the war. So [00:35:45] like what is that? Do you know? [00:35:47] >> I mean I wouldn't say it's been in [00:35:49] decline since the war. There was a lot [00:35:50] of recovery after the war. It was a [00:35:52] devastating war. I mean, you know, one [00:35:54] of the most extraordinary aspects of [00:35:56] that war is that Winston Churchill, who [00:35:58] many people here to this day believe, [00:36:01] you know, pretty well single-handedly [00:36:02] rallied the morale of the people here to [00:36:04] help us defeat the Nazis, albeit with [00:36:07] obviously America's help. That he in the [00:36:10] end at the end of the war, he got thrown [00:36:11] out of office because so many people [00:36:13] came back to a really bad lifestyle, a [00:36:16] lot of imp impoverishment, a lot of, you [00:36:18] know, homelessness and so on. Well, [00:36:20] maybe. Were there other reasons like [00:36:21] >> No, no, it was that was why they took it [00:36:22] off. [00:36:23] >> Did Germany attack you first? Is that [00:36:25] what happened? [00:36:26] >> What do you mean? [00:36:27] >> Did Germany attack Britain? Is that how [00:36:28] you got into war with Germany? [00:36:31] >> Germany attacked Poland. [00:36:33] >> Oh, but not the UK. [00:36:34] >> No. [00:36:34] >> Oh, okay. Cuz that that they wanted they [00:36:37] wanted. [00:36:37] >> So, you voluntarily joined the war? [00:36:39] >> Yes. [00:36:40] >> Okay. Right. I'm not defending Hitler, [00:36:42] of course, but it's just a fact that you [00:36:44] weren't attacked. So when you say that [00:36:47] Churchill saved Britain, well, Britain [00:36:50] got into the war voluntarily. [00:36:53] >> Well, voluntarily. One of our well, one [00:36:55] of our neighboring European countries [00:36:57] was attacked and it was quite it was [00:36:59] quite clear that Adolf Hitler and the [00:37:01] Nazis wanted to take over Europe. This [00:37:04] was an existential threat to Europe and [00:37:06] therefore to the UK. So, [00:37:07] >> so you're arguing that he would have [00:37:09] come for the UK 100%. [00:37:11] >> Even though [00:37:12] >> I think it's very naive to [00:37:12] >> your politicians and he and there's like [00:37:15] not one person who was saying that in [00:37:17] 193940. [00:37:18] >> No, Neville Chamberlain wasn't cuz he [00:37:19] totally misread what was going on. [00:37:21] Winston Churchill completely read [00:37:23] correctly what was going on and came out [00:37:24] of the wilderness to actually come and [00:37:26] save us. I think without him [00:37:28] >> I think you signed a treaty with Poland [00:37:29] that locked you into a course of action [00:37:31] that destroyed your country. I'm just [00:37:33] saying [00:37:33] >> you don't honestly think the Nazis would [00:37:34] have stopped at Poland. I I have no [00:37:37] idea. I'm just saying. [00:37:38] >> Yes, you do. Okay. Come on. [00:37:39] >> I'm Look, I I'm just going by what [00:37:42] contemporaneous sources said. [00:37:44] >> I have no idea. Hitler invaded Russia, [00:37:47] so obviously that's deranged and [00:37:49] incredibly destructive. So, I don't [00:37:51] know. It's the truth. [00:37:53] >> He was focused on communism. No one [00:37:55] doubts that this was not a communist [00:37:57] country. But I'm just saying Britain [00:37:58] voluntarily joined the war. It was a war [00:38:01] that you were not involved in and you [00:38:02] got in. But my question is why did it [00:38:06] destroy Britain? I don't understand as [00:38:07] the victor name destroy it didn't [00:38:09] destroy Britain. [00:38:10] >> Well, look outside in the city of [00:38:12] London. [00:38:13] >> Hang on. There's Look, it's Tower [00:38:15] Bridge. It's the Tower of London. [00:38:16] Magnificent. [00:38:17] >> Well, it changed London. [00:38:19] >> Why do you look at this and see a [00:38:21] wrecked country? I don't. [00:38:22] >> Well, I don't see an English country. [00:38:23] So, we're in the city. What do you mean [00:38:25] that? What do you mean by that? [00:38:27] >> It's not Well, people whose ancestors [00:38:29] built Stonehenge are not here anymore. [00:38:31] So, the city of London is 36% white, and [00:38:33] that's happened in the last, I don't [00:38:34] know, 40 years. [00:38:35] >> But, but England is about 70% white. [00:38:39] >> England. Yes. Okay. Well, it was it was [00:38:42] 99% 1945. [00:38:43] >> Okay. So, we've evolved. [00:38:45] >> But you're on the way to becoming the [00:38:46] minority in the country. So, no one [00:38:48] wants to say that. I think you can get [00:38:49] arrested for saying that here. [00:38:51] >> That's not white supremacy. This is the [00:38:53] indigenous population of the country. [00:38:55] It's a statistical fact that I think by [00:38:57] 2,100 [00:38:59] uh we will be a uh minority white [00:39:02] country. [00:39:03] >> 2063 as of today. [00:39:04] >> Well, I read a bit later, but [00:39:05] >> but these are dynamic numbers, so they [00:39:07] change. [00:39:07] >> But here's my here's my question for [00:39:08] you. So what? [00:39:10] >> Well, um let me refer to the beginning [00:39:12] of our conversation when you said that [00:39:14] the people who live in a country define [00:39:16] the character of that country. And then [00:39:17] you said, "Yes, all the things for which [00:39:19] we were famous and in which we had [00:39:21] pride, like our stoicism, our concern [00:39:23] for others, our tidiness, the cleanest [00:39:26] country in the world, now it's pretty [00:39:28] filthy." All those things change when [00:39:30] you get new people moving there. You [00:39:32] said that. I mean, you're the racist, [00:39:33] not me. So, I'm just using I'm using the [00:39:36] parameters that you said. [00:39:38] >> I did not say that that was down to [00:39:41] >> No, you didn't say white people coming [00:39:43] to the country. [00:39:44] >> Well, that's who I believe that. No, but [00:39:46] that's what you said. You said [00:39:48] >> No, I said there was creaking pressure [00:39:49] on public services from the increased [00:39:52] population. [00:39:53] >> You also maybe foolishly admitted the [00:39:54] truth. You could get arrested for this. [00:39:56] I know the stakes are high, but you said [00:39:58] that when the people who live in a [00:40:00] country change, so does the culture, [00:40:01] which is like the most obvious. It's [00:40:03] like when it rains out, it gets wet. [00:40:04] That's not a controversial observation, [00:40:06] but it's illegal here because it is [00:40:08] true. [00:40:08] >> And my only point is not against I've [00:40:11] already said I like the Bangladeshies [00:40:13] better than I like the liberal whites in [00:40:14] your country a lot more. They've never [00:40:15] yelled at me. I'm not attacking them. [00:40:18] I'm just saying the things that made [00:40:20] Britain Britain England England. Is [00:40:22] there still in England? I have no idea. [00:40:23] Um those are going away because they're [00:40:25] different people living here. And if you [00:40:27] think that those are good things in the [00:40:28] same way that the Swedes or the Chinese [00:40:30] or the people in Burundi and Chad, they [00:40:33] like like their culture. It's their [00:40:35] ancestors culture and now it's gone. And [00:40:36] like why can't we say that's bad? [00:40:38] >> Well, because you may think it's bad. I [00:40:40] have [00:40:40] >> It's good. [00:40:41] >> I love living in a very multicultural. [00:40:43] >> But you're rich. I mean, you're rich. [00:40:45] You go to the white parts of London, [00:40:47] they're exactly the same as they were [00:40:48] when I was a child. I've been coming [00:40:49] here for 50 years. They're exactly the [00:40:50] same. The neighbor I'm saying is exactly [00:40:51] the same. [00:40:51] >> Which do you think is a white part of [00:40:53] London? [00:40:54] >> I'm not going to tell you. [00:40:55] >> Well, that's a little test for you. [00:40:56] Which which area of London do you think [00:40:58] is white? [00:40:58] >> The one I'm staying in right now. The [00:41:00] one the one where my relatives live. [00:41:02] It's uh [00:41:02] >> where [00:41:03] >> I'm not going to say. [00:41:04] >> No, you don't want to say cuz you know [00:41:05] that I'll immediately say, "Come on, [00:41:07] there's loads of non-white people living [00:41:08] there. There's no [00:41:09] >> By the way, I'm not against there's no [00:41:11] exclusively white area around. [00:41:14] Christmas season is here and although [00:41:15] it's a bit of a cliche, it really is [00:41:17] important to keep Christ in Christmas. [00:41:19] Should we focus on cookies and presents [00:41:21] or on the reason we're doing this, which [00:41:24] is Jesus? Obviously, the point is Jesus. [00:41:27] That's the whole point. That's the only [00:41:29] point. And all the decency and good [00:41:31] cheer of this holiday comes from Jesus. 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Get 3 months for free at [00:42:18] hallow.com/talker. Experience greater [00:42:20] peace and stillness this Christmas. I am [00:42:23] not now, nor have I ever been. And let [00:42:24] me just restate. I think I have a lot [00:42:27] more in common with the Pakistani cab [00:42:30] driver than I do with the average [00:42:33] Guardian staffer who's white. I [00:42:36] >> You're inferring. You're inferring that [00:42:37] the more I'm not inferring anything. [00:42:39] Well, you're you're a friend. The more [00:42:40] multicultural that Britain has become in [00:42:42] terms of other ethnicities coming to [00:42:44] live here, then the worse it's got. And [00:42:47] I'm saying those two things in my view [00:42:50] are not automatically linked. [00:42:52] >> There are lots of white people who [00:42:54] behave very badly in this country. [00:42:55] >> Well, I've met them and they yell at me. [00:42:57] So, yes, I just for the fifth time, [00:43:00] >> I have more in common with the sincerely [00:43:04] religious Pakistani cab driver than I do [00:43:06] with anyone who works at the Times of [00:43:07] London. That is just a fact. I don't [00:43:09] like those people. I don't want to eat [00:43:11] with them and they're white. So, all [00:43:13] true. All I'm saying is the qualities [00:43:16] that made Britain the greatest country [00:43:18] in the world were linked directly to the [00:43:20] people who live here. And so, of course, [00:43:22] by definition, multicultural means less [00:43:25] of some cultures because there's [00:43:27] delilution of the dominant culture. And [00:43:28] you it can [00:43:29] >> there are lots of people who are [00:43:31] non-white who've been born and raised in [00:43:33] this country who've contribute [00:43:35] contributed brilliantly. I would never [00:43:37] deny that [00:43:37] >> success of this country who've risen to [00:43:39] the top positions in top industries [00:43:42] whether it's music [00:43:43] >> so defensive. I'm not attacking the [00:43:44] non-whites [00:43:46] because you're worried about getting [00:43:47] arrested. I get it. And by the way, [00:43:48] >> worried about being arrested [00:43:50] >> when they rush in the door with no guns, [00:43:52] LITTLE PUPPIES WITH THEIR STICK. [00:43:53] >> They might if they know you're here [00:43:54] >> probably. [00:43:55] >> I'm not worried about [00:43:56] >> I got hassled at your airport again. And [00:43:58] yeah, always. [00:43:59] >> Well, for being Tucker Carlson, [00:44:01] >> you know, we don't know. It's just it's [00:44:03] the AI, I guess. Uh but [00:44:04] >> No, wait. I love that. what happened to [00:44:06] you? [00:44:06] >> You know, I was like, go see the [00:44:08] attendant. And by the way, the attendant [00:44:09] was some Pakistani woman who was like, [00:44:11] oh, we're so glad you're here, [00:44:14] which I don't THINK I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN [00:44:16] from the liberal white lady. So again, [00:44:18] once again, I'm not attacking anyone on [00:44:20] the basis of their race. [00:44:21] >> But you're saying that our culture has [00:44:23] changed because we've had other cultures [00:44:25] come here. Is that your position? [00:44:26] >> Well, it's not my position. It's a fact. [00:44:28] And you just said it. [00:44:29] >> I think I think our [00:44:30] >> So it's better. So, what about British [00:44:32] culture didn't you like and has been [00:44:34] improved by new cultures? [00:44:36] >> Oh, not much. [00:44:37] >> Tell me what didn't you like before? [00:44:38] What are you glad is gone from the [00:44:39] Britain you grew up [00:44:40] >> in? Let me tell you, if you came to [00:44:41] London in the 50s and 60s, the food was [00:44:44] crap. Absolute crap. [00:44:46] >> Well, it was that way in the ' 80s when [00:44:47] I was [00:44:48] >> inedible. Right now, we have some of the [00:44:50] best gastronomy. [00:44:51] >> Amazing. Some of the most expensive, [00:44:52] too. I wonder is everyone eating there? [00:44:54] >> No, I can TAKE [00:44:55] >> I PAID $1,000 for dinner. You're a [00:44:58] wealthy man leading a very wealthy [00:44:59] lifestyle. Holy [ __ ] Come with me. Come [00:45:02] with me to Brick Lane. Come with me to [00:45:03] Brixton. I'll give you a proper meal. [00:45:05] >> I love it. You You and I will go to the [00:45:07] tough parts of TOWN AND EAT STREET FOOD. [00:45:08] But [00:45:09] >> I can give you a great [00:45:10] >> But are you really saying I'll take you [00:45:12] to the top end of Portoello Market, [00:45:14] right? You come with me if you want to [00:45:15] risk death walking up to Portoello [00:45:18] Market. I'll take you and give you some [00:45:20] street food and you'll spend. [00:45:21] >> I've been to Porttoello Market and by [00:45:22] the way, it's a point of fact I'm quite [00:45:25] popular there. I will say that IN HILL [00:45:27] >> I FEEL NO FEAR AT all [00:45:29] >> in Notting Hill. [00:45:30] >> Yeah, I will eat [00:45:31] >> Oh man, I [00:45:32] >> thought they they they're so liberal [00:45:34] there. [00:45:34] >> Don't Don't even get me going. [00:45:35] >> Even I get a hard time up there. [00:45:37] >> I think they secretly love me cuz they [00:45:39] know that they've been naughty. [00:45:41] >> But whatever my theories aside, here's [00:45:43] my point. What about British culture, [00:45:46] apart from the boiled menu, which was [00:45:50] repulsive, do you think? But the the [00:45:52] national character and let me say it [00:45:54] again. Tidiness, [00:45:56] >> self-restraint, [00:45:57] >> selflessness, [00:45:59] >> courage, [00:46:00] >> fairness, [00:46:01] >> the British system was imported around [00:46:03] the world on the basis of one concept, [00:46:05] fairness. [00:46:06] >> That comes from the Magna Carta. [00:46:07] >> I think a lot of [00:46:08] >> has this become a fairer society. It's [00:46:09] become completely unfair. You put [00:46:10] [ __ ] Julian Assange in prison for [00:46:12] years without charges because the CIA [00:46:14] told you to. We have had a massive [00:46:15] rising issue with the suppression of [00:46:17] free speech. [00:46:18] >> Which is a fairness issue, [00:46:19] >> but that has nothing to do with [00:46:21] ethnicity or polit. So what does it have [00:46:23] to do with do you think? [00:46:24] >> It has to do with a very ridiculously [00:46:28] draconian view of what free speech. [00:46:29] >> Where does that come from? You've never [00:46:30] had that [00:46:31] >> governments. No, but of course, but [00:46:34] those are attitudes that grow from the [00:46:36] population or else you would have a [00:46:37] revolution. This is the country that [00:46:39] you're no wrong. The population does not [00:46:42] want this suppression of free speech. [00:46:44] They may not, but they keep voting for [00:46:46] the fascists every time. Whether it's [00:46:48] Boris, [00:46:49] >> whether it's Boris or whether it's [00:46:51] Boris. [00:46:52] >> No, [00:46:53] >> he's a buffoon. It doesn't mean he's not [00:46:55] an authoritarian. [00:46:56] >> He wants It's funny you mentioned the [00:46:58] word buffoon. So I once interviewed [00:46:59] >> I mean that's actually a matter [00:47:01] >> doesn't know how many children he has. [00:47:02] >> I'm going tell you why I know. Because I [00:47:03] once I once interviewed him for GQ and I [00:47:05] said, "Boris, this is 20089." I said, [00:47:08] "Boris, I've always thought that lurking [00:47:11] beneath the buffoon exterior lies a [00:47:14] sharp, calculating political mind that [00:47:15] wants to be prime minister." He wasn't [00:47:17] even a a sort of politician at the time. [00:47:19] He looked at me and he said, "Well, you [00:47:20] must consider the the possibility that [00:47:23] lurking beneath the buffoon exterior is [00:47:25] an actual buffoon." [00:47:28] >> True. [00:47:28] >> So, so he was right. [00:47:29] >> No, he was [00:47:30] >> I can't say we weren't warned. [00:47:31] >> But the point is, look, it's not like [00:47:34] >> he's not a fascist though, Boris [00:47:35] Johnson. He's an authoritarian, [00:47:36] >> but it diminishes the word fascist when [00:47:38] you say that about people. I get annoyed [00:47:40] with [00:47:40] >> what what is fascism actually? I mean, [00:47:42] we're we meaning the collective west, [00:47:44] meaning the allies, meaning Roosevelt [00:47:46] and Churchill, meaning America and its [00:47:49] cousins in the UK were fighting against [00:47:50] an authoritarian system. [00:47:52] >> It wasn't just about race hate. It was [00:47:54] about full control of a population. We [00:47:56] were arguing against that and fighting [00:47:57] against, of course, we were also funding [00:47:58] it when we sent money to Stalin, but [00:47:59] whatever. It was never fully consistent. [00:48:02] But that's what we tell ourselves. And [00:48:03] now that's what you have. M [00:48:04] >> there were three times as many people [00:48:06] arrested in the UK [00:48:08] >> last year for speech crimes as were [00:48:11] arrested in Putin's Russia and you have [00:48:13] half the population. So this is much [00:48:15] more authoritarian than Putin's Russia. [00:48:17] >> No, it's not. [00:48:18] >> Well, how is how is it not? That's [00:48:19] ridiculous. [00:48:19] >> If you have three times as many arrests [00:48:21] for speech crimes, it's more [00:48:22] authoritative. [00:48:22] >> I've not seen that stat. If that is [00:48:24] true, it's because we have been so [00:48:26] appalling in protecting free speech. [00:48:28] >> Well, you're appalling. I'm not No, no [00:48:30] debate there. I'm just saying as a m [00:48:32] like how do you define authoritarian? [00:48:34] >> The idea that we are living here in a [00:48:36] more authoritarian state than Russia [00:48:39] >> if you're no come on those are the [00:48:40] numbers. [00:48:41] >> You don't believe that? [00:48:42] >> Uh look I believe in science. I believe [00:48:45] in science. [00:48:46] >> You think England is more authoritarian [00:48:47] than Russia. [00:48:47] >> I think you're more likely to be [00:48:49] arrested for a speech crime in Great [00:48:51] Britain. Indeed times as likely. [00:48:53] >> What would happen if you criticize if [00:48:54] you go on if you went on the airwaves [00:48:56] here tonight? [00:48:56] >> I'm an American. They're not going to [00:48:57] mess with me. [00:48:58] >> No. But if you went on the airwaves here [00:48:59] tonight and you start abusing and [00:49:02] hammering and mocking and criticizing [00:49:03] our prime minister, which by the way [00:49:05] many people are doing, [00:49:06] >> I'll give you a question. If you did [00:49:08] that, what would happen to you? [00:49:10] >> Nothing. [00:49:11] >> Exactly. [00:49:11] >> But what if I said I thought gay sex was [00:49:13] disgusting and should be illegal? And if [00:49:15] you [00:49:15] >> Wait, hold on. HOLD ON. THAT'S NOTHING, [00:49:17] PRIME MINISTER. HOW ABOUT I'M OPPOSED TO [00:49:19] SOLDERING THAT? [00:49:20] >> I HAVEN'T FINISHED MY QUESTION. And if [00:49:21] you went to Moscow and you went on the [00:49:24] airwaves and you did that about Putin, [00:49:25] what would happen? [00:49:26] >> You'd be in trouble, [00:49:27] >> right? So there's a difference. That's [00:49:29] an authoritarian state. [00:49:30] >> No, no. That's a straightforward. This [00:49:31] one is not. That's a straightforward. [00:49:32] >> This is a flawed democracy. [00:49:34] >> No. This is global homo. That is No, no. [00:49:36] This is global homo. [00:49:38] >> It is. It's global homo. This is [00:49:39] >> What do you mean? [00:49:40] >> I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell [00:49:41] you. This is a concept that you need to [00:49:42] understand. This is the Yes, you do. [00:49:46] >> This is the authoritarianism [00:49:48] of the present and future. And it's not [00:49:51] it's the feline passive aggressive [00:49:53] female version that doesn't tell you [00:49:54] what it is. They don't march into your [00:49:56] town in jack boots and put a rifle [00:49:57] against your face and [00:49:58] >> they do that in Russia [00:50:00] >> for sure. It's much more straightforward [00:50:01] >> and they kill you and you fall off a [00:50:03] building suddenly. [00:50:04] >> Oh, you kill tons of people. You kill [00:50:05] tons of people. [00:50:06] >> I don't disagree. [00:50:07] >> Oh, yeah. You do a lot. Yeah. [00:50:09] >> Right. So, let's let's stop with the [00:50:10] killing people because you kill tons of [00:50:11] people. But, as you well know, cuz you [00:50:14] know the people who do it and I do too. [00:50:16] >> No, I'm saying there's something [00:50:19] more offensive about an authoritarianism [00:50:22] that will not admit what it is. So [00:50:24] instead, people are arrested here and [00:50:26] thrown into jail. And I've I've been to [00:50:27] Bel Marsh prison. It's awful. [00:50:29] >> I've been there. [00:50:30] >> It's awful. It is. [00:50:31] >> But you walk in [00:50:33] >> and there are all these signs about [00:50:34] Trans Acceptance Week. [00:50:37] >> It is fascism wrapped in the Human [00:50:41] Rights Campaign Rainbow logo. It's [00:50:44] >> not any different from what we were [00:50:47] fighting against. Arresting you for [00:50:49] saying something they don't want. [00:50:50] >> I certainly believe this has been my big [00:50:52] criticism of the woke left. I wrote this [00:50:54] book called woke is dead which is more [00:50:55] an aspiration than a reality at the [00:50:57] moment. But the the point I was making [00:51:00] was that the woke left became in the end [00:51:04] like the very fascist they profess to [00:51:05] hate most. They literally behaved like [00:51:08] fascists. [00:51:09] >> Anyone that deviated from their [00:51:10] worldview. [00:51:11] >> I don't want you to devalue the term. [00:51:12] >> No, no, I'm not. I'm explaining I'm [00:51:14] explaining the I'm explaining the [00:51:15] hypocrisy of the left. [00:51:16] >> No, I get it. which I think we can [00:51:18] probably agree with is if you start to [00:51:19] behave like the very people you claim [00:51:20] you hate most, you are a brazen [00:51:22] hypocrite. [00:51:23] >> It's not just the left, it's the right [00:51:25] unfortunately. I agree. Some of the [00:51:27] rights doing it as well. I agree. Um [00:51:28] hypocrisy is hypocrisy, isn't it? [00:51:30] Wherever you see it. Um, and I I do [00:51:32] think that this [00:51:34] the way I would categorize what's [00:51:36] happened here is successive governments [00:51:38] right and left have pandered to a weird [00:51:43] sentiment driven by very vocal but small [00:51:46] numbers of people that we have to start [00:51:48] getting into the suppressing free speech [00:51:50] business. And it's been a catastrophic [00:51:52] failure which has diminished this [00:51:54] country. What we're beginning to see is [00:51:56] the coming out of that. And I'll give an [00:51:58] example. When Graeme Lahan, the [00:51:59] comedian, [00:52:00] >> Yeah. the father Ted Genius, right? And [00:52:02] he decided to take on this whole trans [00:52:04] issue head on. And bit like JK Rowling, [00:52:06] he got shamed, vilified, canceled. He [00:52:09] lost everything. He lost his family, he [00:52:11] lost his jobs, he lost everything. [00:52:12] Became unemployable, completely [00:52:13] canceled. And he ca he did some jokes on [00:52:17] X back in April and they were Yeah. They [00:52:21] were just like harmless, right? He [00:52:23] talked about a trans woman coming into a [00:52:26] into a woman's space. harmless to you as [00:52:28] a non-trans person but genocidal to the [00:52:30] trans community [00:52:31] >> which again is ridiculous. So he he he [00:52:33] did a joke about a trans woman coming [00:52:35] into a a woman's space and he said what [00:52:38] you should kick him in the balls, right? [00:52:39] It was a joke. It was an earbuckle joke. [00:52:42] If you're over sensitive, you go. Most [00:52:45] people just laughed and took it for what [00:52:46] it was. Some kind of joke that wouldn't [00:52:48] even be considered remotely [00:52:50] controversial 10 years ago. When he [00:52:52] arrived at Heathrow airport several [00:52:54] months later, he was arrested by five [00:52:56] armed police officers and taken off to [00:52:58] the cells. And I just found that utterly [00:53:01] shocking. So, I'm not pretending there's [00:53:03] not been a massive problem about free [00:53:04] speech. But what was interesting and [00:53:06] encouraging was the public backlash, [00:53:08] hence my book title, Woke is dead. The [00:53:11] public backlash was so ferocious that [00:53:14] within a week the police said, "We're [00:53:15] not going to prosecute Linen." And [00:53:17] actually, they said further, "We're [00:53:19] never going to prosecute anyone for this [00:53:22] kind of thing again." [00:53:23] >> That was a moment when I went, we're [00:53:25] finally getting a bit of [00:53:26] >> That's not So, the trans thing is [00:53:28] absurd. It's so absurd that like it's [00:53:30] easy for people to say that's absurd. [00:53:33] >> What's actually happening here, as I [00:53:34] think you know, is the society is being [00:53:36] changed by its leaders against the will [00:53:37] of the population. The population hates [00:53:39] it. They've always hated it. No [00:53:40] population wants radical demographic [00:53:42] change. None. [00:53:44] And so it's been so profound since 1997 [00:53:48] under Tony Blair that you're not allowed [00:53:50] to note that your country is being taken [00:53:52] from you. Okay? So you can criticize [00:53:55] traies all you want. You cannot [00:53:56] criticize Israel, as you know. You're [00:53:59] not allowed to criticize demographic [00:54:01] change, and you can't criticize the rest [00:54:03] of the fabled LGBT community. And if you [00:54:04] don't believe me, listen to this story, [00:54:06] which is like it's unbelievable. This is [00:54:07] from the Daily Mail, which is like kind [00:54:10] of a ridiculous publication, but I [00:54:11] >> I love the Daily Mail. [00:54:12] >> I do too. I I there's a lot about it I [00:54:14] like, but I mean, it's like absurd. But [00:54:15] anyway, Elizabeth Penny from Tranmir, [00:54:19] have you read about this? [00:54:20] >> Go on. [00:54:20] >> She's a mother of four. I think she's a [00:54:22] nurse, and she gets beaten up by her [00:54:24] boyfriend. He beats her She goes to the [00:54:26] hospital and she texts someone, a buddy [00:54:31] of hers, a friend of hers, a girlfriend [00:54:32] of hers, and describes the man who beat [00:54:35] her up and send her to the hospital as a [00:54:37] quote [ __ ] He's a [ __ ] [00:54:41] >> And she's arrested and convicted of a [00:54:44] hate crime. [00:54:45] >> The guy who beat her up is not arrested [00:54:48] or convicted. And then she goes through [00:54:50] this whole kabuki, which is now [00:54:52] required, where she prostrates herself [00:54:54] before the judge. I'm sorry. It was not [00:54:55] a homophobic rant. By the way, you're [00:54:57] allowed to be homophobic if you want in [00:54:58] a free country. You can have any view [00:54:59] you want. But no, because she used the [00:55:01] word [ __ ] she's arrested and the guy [00:55:04] who punched her in the face was not. [00:55:06] That story tells you everything. [00:55:09] >> Well, I don't know that story. If it's [00:55:11] exactly [00:55:11] >> Daily Mail, baby, pictures of her and [00:55:13] everything. [00:55:13] >> Not doubting it. I'm just saying I need [00:55:14] to look into it. But if that is how [00:55:16] you've told it, obviously it's [00:55:17] ridiculous. [00:55:18] >> Would you say the word [ __ ] on camera? [00:55:20] >> No. [00:55:20] >> Why? [00:55:21] >> Cuz I [00:55:22] >> You don't want to get arrested, do you? [00:55:23] >> I want to be arrested. [00:55:25] cuz it's so harmful to people. Is that [00:55:26] like gay bashing? Like what's wrong with [00:55:28] that? [00:55:28] >> Actually, my whole issue with the whole [00:55:30] trans debate, for example, is you don't [00:55:32] need to slide into actually saying [00:55:34] derogatory stuff about trans people to [00:55:36] make the point that women's rights [00:55:37] should be protected. You don't need to [00:55:39] >> Well, I agree. [00:55:40] >> So, so what I don't believe in I don't [00:55:42] believe in needlessly, you know, [00:55:44] smearing. [00:55:45] >> I'm not smearing anybody. I just think [00:55:46] >> But why would you use that word? [00:55:48] >> [ __ ] I just did. [00:55:49] >> But would you use [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [00:55:51] >> Okay. But but why? And I'm using it [00:55:52] because you're not allowed to. Because [00:55:54] you're [00:55:54] >> I'm allowed to [00:55:55] >> go ahead. [00:55:56] >> I don't want to [00:55:56] >> say I love gay people, [ __ ] [00:55:58] >> I'm I'm allowed to. I just choose not [00:56:00] to. [00:56:01] >> This chick just got arrested for it and [00:56:03] convicted. So that doesn't have a [00:56:04] chilling effect on your ability. [00:56:06] >> But there are people watching this who [00:56:08] will be offended by the use of the word. [00:56:09] >> Surely will. I'm not anti-gay. I never [00:56:10] have been. I can use any freaking word I [00:56:12] want. [00:56:13] >> By the use of the word chick. [00:56:16] >> CHICK. [00:56:17] >> OKAY. I WONDER HOW DARE YOU BE SO SEXIST [00:56:20] comparing women to chicks. [00:56:21] >> How about this? Let my life, the way [00:56:23] that I actually live and treat people be [00:56:25] the testament to my heart. That's how I [00:56:27] feel. [00:56:27] >> And if I've mistreated someone, [00:56:29] >> I don't think you I don't believe I [00:56:31] don't you correct me if I'm wrong. I [00:56:33] don't believe you would call a gay [00:56:34] person a [ __ ] to their face. [00:56:36] >> Not in a mean way. By the way, the only [00:56:37] people I ever hear use the word [ __ ] [00:56:39] are gay. Ever. [00:56:40] >> Just like the only people you ever hear [00:56:42] use the nword are black. [00:56:43] >> Right. [00:56:44] >> Period. [00:56:45] >> Right. So if you spend any time around [00:56:47] gays and I have spent a lot of time [00:56:49] around gays who of course I work in [00:56:51] television. I mean half our staff was [00:56:52] gay and they're great people [00:56:54] >> and they're the only ones who ever SAID [00:56:55] [ __ ] HE'S A [ __ ] and be like [00:56:59] I have no need to say the word actually [00:57:00] it's kind of an ugly word to be totally [00:57:02] >> honest. You know the argument they use [00:57:04] which is and I [00:57:04] >> well they don't use it. They use THE [00:57:06] WORD CONSTANTLY AND I'VE WORKED WITH [00:57:07] THEM MY WHOLE LIFE. [00:57:08] >> WELL I WROTE A COLUMN FOR EXAMPLE about [00:57:10] the use of [00:57:10] >> but I'm not allowed to use it but you [00:57:12] are. I don't play those games. [00:57:13] >> Listen I got to make a point. I wrote a [00:57:14] I read a column for the Mail actually [00:57:16] about the use of the N-word and the [00:57:18] Washington Post did a huge report on [00:57:20] this and said that every day on Twitter [00:57:22] as it was then the N-word was used half [00:57:24] a million times but almost exclusively [00:57:27] by young African-American men. [00:57:30] >> So it's cool. [00:57:31] >> Well, they they would argue and I [00:57:33] understood the argument. It's their [00:57:35] they've reclaimed that word. [00:57:37] >> I don't believe in universal rights [00:57:38] either. I think certain standards should [00:57:40] apply to certain people based on their [00:57:41] blood and but don't apply to everybody. [00:57:45] >> What do you mean? [00:57:47] >> I mean THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. [00:57:48] >> NO, NO, you [00:57:50] >> the standards have to be absolute or [00:57:51] they're not standard. [00:57:52] >> I was about to make my argument that I [00:57:54] made in [00:57:54] >> Sorry, YOU'RE GETTING ME SO WOUND UP. [00:57:56] >> NO, NO, BUT I actually made the point in [00:57:57] the column that I don't think that [00:57:59] works. I don't think you reclaim it. [00:58:01] What you actually do is you empower [00:58:03] genuine racists to say, "Well, if [00:58:05] they're using that word, I'm going to [00:58:07] use it." And so I felt it was an [00:58:09] entirely self-defeating reclamation of [00:58:12] that offensive word. I would say the [00:58:13] same to gay people. If you constantly [00:58:15] use the f word uh in your own, [00:58:18] >> what's the f word? [00:58:19] >> You know what we've just been saying? If [00:58:20] you want to keep saying it, you keep [00:58:21] saying it. I'm not going to keep saying [00:58:22] >> it's worse than [ __ ] isn't it? [00:58:24] >> Uh to a gay person. From a straight [00:58:26] person. Yes. [00:58:28] >> Have from a straight person, but not [00:58:29] from the gay person. [00:58:30] >> That's my point. I don't. [00:58:32] >> So I thought we I understand the [00:58:34] reclamation argument that they put up [00:58:36] that if they [00:58:37] >> reclamation [00:58:38] >> then they're reclaiming the word and [00:58:39] they're disempowering it as an [00:58:41] offensive. [00:58:41] >> I don't care. I think that's kind of [00:58:42] amusing actually. I sort [00:58:44] >> I just don't think it works. I think the [00:58:45] more these words get used then the more [00:58:47] >> But is it really about words? I guess [00:58:49] what I'm saying is I think it empowers [00:58:51] people who are genuinely racist or [00:58:52] homophobic to then use those words. [00:58:54] >> Okay, they're genuinely racist and [00:58:55] homophobic. I don't care. Why don't you [00:58:56] pick up the trash? Okay, that's kind of [00:58:58] how I feel. And stop letting people from [00:59:00] countries where they can't speak English [00:59:02] come to your country by the millions. [00:59:03] Like, [00:59:04] >> don't the material things matter? Don't [00:59:06] the actual things matter? Your father [00:59:08] lying on a cot in a public hospital. [00:59:09] >> I do think that people when they come to [00:59:11] a country should try and learn the [00:59:12] language, [00:59:13] >> of course. But no, but what I'm not, [00:59:14] again, I'm not attacking anybody. I'm [00:59:16] just saying the whole debate about what [00:59:18] words are allowed and by whom [00:59:21] >> is first of all insane because again [00:59:23] standards mean nothing unless they apply [00:59:25] to everyone because we believe in human [00:59:27] rights not group rights or ethnic [00:59:29] rights. We're against that cuz we're [00:59:30] against the Nazis, right? [00:59:31] >> Mhm. [00:59:32] >> So there's that. But it's also a [00:59:34] distraction from what actually matters. [00:59:36] If your dad is spending hours I'm sure [00:59:38] he was a he was a Britney. He spent his [00:59:39] whole life here paying taxes and that's [00:59:41] what he gets. [00:59:42] >> It's like we should be having [00:59:43] >> completely unacceptable. But it is [00:59:45] acceptable. That's the problem. And [00:59:46] instead, we're arresting that girl for [00:59:49] saying [ __ ] [00:59:49] >> Well, the two things [00:59:50] >> or as we say here, the f- word. [00:59:51] >> Yeah. Look, I like I said, I don't know [00:59:53] that story. I'll look into it. But I I [00:59:54] do if that is [00:59:55] >> She look like a [ __ ] user to you. She [00:59:57] looks too nice. [01:00:00] >> Come on. Sorry. [01:00:02] >> Behave yourself. [01:00:02] >> No, I can't. I [01:00:03] >> I know you can't. [01:00:04] >> They're making me want to say that [01:00:07] because it's so outrageous that you [01:00:10] would arrest someone for a word. [01:00:12] >> No, I agree. And like we actually have [01:00:15] to put ourselves at risk to [01:00:16] >> I agree. [01:00:17] >> Yeah, [01:00:17] >> I agree with you. [01:00:18] >> Well, then help me now. Let's let's do [01:00:20] let's let's have a moment of self [01:00:22] liberation. [01:00:22] >> I think you're beyond help. [01:00:23] >> Hold my hand. Hold my hand. We're going [01:00:24] to say [ __ ] together. You ready? [01:00:26] >> No, we're not. [01:00:27] >> Do you say gay and [ __ ] [01:00:28] >> Huh? [01:00:28] >> Do you say gay and [ __ ] [01:00:30] >> I say gay. I wouldn't use the R word. [01:00:34] >> I wouldn't. I personally wouldn't. [01:00:36] >> Are you my choice? By the way, [01:00:38] >> you think it should be legal to abort a [01:00:39] down syndrome baby? I I am exercising my [01:00:42] free speech right not to use that word. [01:00:43] >> I totally agree. I actually don't use [01:00:44] the nword ever because I think it's [01:00:46] ugly. I just don't [01:00:47] >> by your own [01:00:48] >> I don't [01:00:50] >> I kind of agree. I'm not even I'm mostly [01:00:52] making fun to make a point. I actually [01:00:54] think that [01:00:55] >> we should not kill people because they [01:00:56] have Down syndrome. I think they're [01:00:58] beautiful people and I think when you [01:00:59] get to heaven it'll probably be filled [01:01:00] with people with Down syndrome because [01:01:01] they are pure in spirit. I'm not joking [01:01:03] even a tiny bit. I really believe that. [01:01:05] But people who think it's okay to [01:01:07] genocide everyone with Down syndrome [01:01:08] through the alpha feta protein test are [01:01:11] lecturing me because I'm using the word [01:01:12] [ __ ] It's like maybe we're missing [01:01:14] the real argument. That's all I'm [01:01:15] saying. Does that make sense? [01:01:17] >> It does. Although I'm pro a woman's [01:01:19] right to choose what to do with her [01:01:20] body, [01:01:21] >> including [01:01:21] >> and bear in mind [01:01:22] >> aborting someone cuz he's [ __ ] [01:01:23] >> Well, in this country to be clear, [01:01:26] abortion is a very settled issue. [01:01:28] >> George Galloway doesn't believe in [01:01:29] >> Well, no, but honestly, it's not a [01:01:31] contentious issue. in America. I know in [01:01:33] America it's a ferociously contentious [01:01:35] issue. It is simply not one in this [01:01:37] country. [01:01:37] >> Maybe that's part of the problem. [01:01:38] >> I don't I don't think it's a problem at [01:01:39] all. [01:01:40] >> Who's having the abortions here? [01:01:42] >> Well, a lot of people have abortions [01:01:44] here, [01:01:44] >> right? It's pretty overwhelmingly though [01:01:46] people whose grandparents lived here. [01:01:47] Have you ever noticed that? [01:01:48] >> Who's people? Who? What? [01:01:49] >> It's the native population having the [01:01:51] abortions. It's not immigrants not [01:01:52] having a ton of abortions. I mean, if [01:01:54] you look at the numbers, [01:01:54] >> I don't know. I don't know the [01:01:55] demographic, [01:01:56] >> but that's true everywhere. And I just [01:01:58] at a deeper issue. So like what is the [01:02:01] loss of the will to live? Why if you're [01:02:04] not have and you're a huge exception to [01:02:05] this. I know you've procreated as have [01:02:08] I. [01:02:09] >> God bless us both. But a lot of na [01:02:12] nativeborn Brits do not have many [01:02:16] children if any. It's also true in the [01:02:17] United States. It's especially true in [01:02:18] Canada. [01:02:19] >> Well, I think I think this is becoming a [01:02:20] massive issue and Elon Musk has been [01:02:22] right about this. The biggest problem is [01:02:24] not as we all assumed overpopulation in [01:02:26] the world but underpopulation because a [01:02:29] lot of people now especially as the [01:02:31] changing way society has gone with many [01:02:34] more women working and so on that the [01:02:36] number of children that are being born [01:02:38] actually in places like the UK and the [01:02:41] US is reducing quite marketkedly [01:02:43] projected for the next 50 years and [01:02:45] you're seeing in some countries in Asia [01:02:48] for example it's getting [01:02:49] catastrophically low very fast and this [01:02:51] is going to be a massive South Korea. [01:02:53] >> Yeah, it's going to be [01:02:53] >> there will be no South Koreans in 100 [01:02:55] years. Only be North Koreans. What does [01:02:57] that tell you? [01:02:57] >> Well, it's not a good not a good moment. [01:02:59] >> No, but where's that I I totally agree [01:03:02] with you and with Elon? And again, I [01:03:04] feel like we've all done our part to [01:03:05] reverse that trend. But I feel like we [01:03:08] spend no time asking why is this? [01:03:11] >> Well, don't you think it's as simple in [01:03:12] most cases as the changing work [01:03:15] practice? If you went 1950s, 1950s in [01:03:18] the UK, most women didn't work. Now when [01:03:20] women go out to work a lot more, they [01:03:21] probably don't have the time to have [01:03:24] three, four, five children as you use. [01:03:26] >> There's no doubt. They can't afford it. [01:03:27] Child care is more in the United States. [01:03:30] It's more expensive than I think any [01:03:32] other expense. But um for young people [01:03:34] with children, [01:03:35] >> of course, you're right. But there's [01:03:37] also something a little bit deeper than [01:03:38] that. It's like it used to be just [01:03:41] axiomatic that reproducing was not just [01:03:44] your duty, but your greatest joy. That [01:03:46] was the way you [01:03:47] >> create the next generation. continue [01:03:49] your civilization and that has died [01:03:52] since the second world war and not just [01:03:54] in the [01:03:54] >> no I think it's [01:03:56] >> world but yeah so but [01:03:58] >> that is like a profound change [01:04:00] >> what is inargument actually look like I [01:04:01] said the population here has gone from [01:04:03] 50 million to 70 million since the ' 50s [01:04:06] the the really worrying graph is what [01:04:08] happens in the next 50 years [01:04:10] >> but that growth in population has been [01:04:13] almost exclusively from immigration and [01:04:15] true in the United States and Canada is [01:04:17] just like a completely different [01:04:18] country. [01:04:19] Nothing like that has ever happened in [01:04:21] the history of the world. Why is this [01:04:23] happening? [01:04:25] >> Well, what in terms of people traveling [01:04:26] around? [01:04:27] >> No. In terms of people deciding not to [01:04:30] pass on their genes, committing mass [01:04:31] suicide, cuz that's what that is. [01:04:33] >> Well, [01:04:34] >> yeah. Our families lived in this village [01:04:35] for 2000s, the beginning of recorded [01:04:37] history in this country, [01:04:39] >> unlike mine. You have a native [01:04:40] population. You're [01:04:41] >> because no one could. [01:04:42] >> You're the Cherokee of this island. [01:04:44] Okay. Yeah, I don't want to give you a [01:04:45] history lesson, but 100 years ago, you [01:04:47] know, we everyone travel by horse and [01:04:49] car. There was no airplane. You couldn't [01:04:51] leave the country. You couldn't go to [01:04:52] other places. But rather like tribes [01:04:55] 2,000 years ago who used to literally [01:04:57] just sit in their little area or [01:04:59] wherever it may be, eventually they [01:05:01] ventured out. And so evolution before [01:05:04] that, I'm not I would never argue [01:05:05] against flew here actually. [01:05:06] >> Yeah. Right. Of course. So once you're [01:05:08] able to do that, obviously people are [01:05:10] going to go exploring. They're going to [01:05:11] want to try and live in other places. [01:05:13] The question then becomes how enriching [01:05:15] or damaging or both and in what levels [01:05:19] is an influx of people from other [01:05:22] ethnicities, other cultures, other [01:05:24] countries? I would say on balance, [01:05:26] London in particular has been almost a [01:05:29] template actually for tolerance and [01:05:32] cohesion and multiculturalism at its [01:05:35] best. [01:05:36] >> The stabbings you're talking about? [01:05:37] >> Well, and let's talk about the [01:05:38] stabbings. The murder rate in London, do [01:05:40] you know what it is compared to any [01:05:41] major city in America? [01:05:42] >> Probably much lower, I would think. Way [01:05:45] lower testosterone level here. I mean, [01:05:46] you can feel it, too. That's true. [01:05:48] Actually, every time. Oh, I'm aware. I'm [01:05:50] aware. But look, I'm not [01:05:51] >> You have the worst murder rates. [01:05:53] >> Oh, I know. And by the way, we always [01:05:55] have, which is interesting. And there [01:05:56] are a lot of factors for that. And it's [01:05:58] one of the saddest things in my country. [01:05:59] I would never defend [01:06:00] >> the violent the murder rate in London, [01:06:01] for example. I checked before I came and [01:06:02] saw you cuz I thought you [01:06:03] >> you think London's a better city than it [01:06:05] was 40 years ago, 50 years ago. Well, [01:06:06] statistically the murder rate is is [01:06:08] actually been plummeting in London. [01:06:09] >> Do you know anything? [01:06:10] >> I'm good. I tell you the problem in [01:06:11] London, what we really need in London. [01:06:13] >> Wait, do you think it's a better city [01:06:15] than it was 40 years ago? For real? [01:06:16] >> Yeah. [01:06:17] >> You think Siddiq Khan's better than what [01:06:18] you had before? [01:06:19] >> I think Sadi Khan is somebody who's won [01:06:22] two more terms after his first because [01:06:26] actually he's not done as bad a job as [01:06:28] people say. [01:06:28] >> Oh, that's nor has he done as well, no [01:06:31] nor has he done as good a job as as he [01:06:33] would like you to believe. But certainly [01:06:34] in things like tackling murder, I give [01:06:36] him credit. In tackling things like the [01:06:38] clean air, where some of the burs here [01:06:41] were the most polluted. [01:06:42] >> You have no factories. You don't make [01:06:44] anything. How? All you do is banking. [01:06:45] How could there be dirty air? What are [01:06:47] you even talking about? There's no [01:06:48] manufacturing. You lost automotive. You [01:06:50] lost aerospace. You lost You lost [01:06:53] everything. Steel. It's clean air [01:06:55] because [01:06:56] >> people are idle. They're delivering food [01:06:58] to people who work at banks. There's [01:06:59] more there is there is more there is [01:07:02] more traffic now in London than there [01:07:04] was even four years ago. [01:07:05] >> I'm sure. [01:07:06] >> Right. So that's called tourism. [01:07:07] >> So my burough Kent and Chelsea for [01:07:09] example, one in 12 people there was a [01:07:11] big study on this a few years ago. One [01:07:13] in 12 people were dying from pollution [01:07:15] related illness. Right. I had a lot of [01:07:17] issues which I thought were allergy [01:07:19] issues. Eventually I was told right [01:07:21] here's what you should do. Check your [01:07:23] air quality app every morning. When it's [01:07:25] really high don't go out and shut the [01:07:26] windows. Secondly, get air purifying [01:07:29] machines in your house for the rooms you [01:07:31] use. I did both. Guess what? I've had no [01:07:33] problems since and I didn't have any [01:07:34] allergies. [01:07:35] >> Well, that's amazing. [01:07:36] >> And all it cost was the total [01:07:37] destruction of your economy. So, why do [01:07:40] you think the air was polluted before? [01:07:42] Because people were burning. [01:07:43] >> Economy has not been destroyed. We're [01:07:44] still one of the biggest economies in [01:07:45] the world. [01:07:45] >> What What is the economy here? What's it [01:07:47] based on? [01:07:48] >> What do you mean? [01:07:49] >> Like, what what's the British economy? I [01:07:50] say I I look at the economy of I don't [01:07:52] know Wales in 1900 and it's like it's [01:07:55] coal. They mines. They did coal. people [01:07:56] burn it. That's what their economy is. [01:07:58] Look at the economy of Sheffield or [01:08:00] Birmingham 100 years ago. Well, of [01:08:01] course, it was steel making. What's the [01:08:03] economy? [01:08:04] >> There's still a lot of manufacturing in [01:08:05] the UK. A lot of [01:08:06] >> But as as a percentage, your [01:08:08] >> percentage of manufacturing could be a [01:08:09] lot less. [01:08:10] >> A lot less. It's almost non-existent, [01:08:12] right? So, [01:08:13] >> we still have one of the biggest [01:08:14] economies in the world now. [01:08:15] >> But what is that economy based on? [01:08:17] >> A lot of things. [01:08:18] >> Okay. What's the main one? [01:08:19] >> Well, under the city, there's a lot of [01:08:20] manufacturing. [01:08:21] >> That's the main one. [01:08:22] >> Well, there's a lot of technology stuff [01:08:24] going on. There's a lot of scientific [01:08:25] stuff going on. It's a lot of all sorts [01:08:26] of industries. [01:08:27] >> You haven't you haven't mentioned the [01:08:28] biggest one by far. [01:08:29] >> Well, go on. [01:08:30] >> Was lending money to people. It's [01:08:32] banking. [01:08:33] >> Banking. Yeah. [01:08:34] >> OKAY. [01:08:35] >> THAT'S NUMBER WE'RE IN THE CITY OF [01:08:36] LONDON RIGHT NOW. [01:08:37] >> How many things are being made in the [01:08:39] city of London other than debt? [01:08:40] >> It's one of the financial hubs of the [01:08:41] world. We're right in the city here. I [01:08:43] >> I know we're sitting in the city of [01:08:44] London right now. Run by city con. [01:08:46] >> Right. [01:08:47] >> Um [01:08:47] >> but again, it's not as bad as people [01:08:48] think it is. [01:08:49] >> But but hold on. Is that really an [01:08:50] economy? If your economy is real estate, [01:08:54] that's London's other big economic [01:08:56] >> center, is buying and selling and [01:08:58] leasing pieces of property again and [01:09:00] again to different people. [01:09:02] >> Nothing's being created. [01:09:04] >> But that's not true. That's not true. We [01:09:06] are creating things here. A lot of [01:09:07] things [01:09:07] >> like what? [01:09:08] >> There's a lot of money. [01:09:08] >> Bara. Okay. Yeah, there's a lot of [01:09:10] course there's a lot of money because [01:09:11] people around the world stash their [01:09:13] money here because it's a system based [01:09:15] on there's a lot of manufacturing. Not [01:09:17] as much as there was 80 years ago. [01:09:19] >> How much is in London, man? your biggest [01:09:21] city, the [01:09:21] >> I don't know the percentages, so we'd [01:09:23] have to check. [01:09:24] >> Pretty much unless you're talking about [01:09:26] like burritos being manufactured or [01:09:29] whatever. I I don't think there's really [01:09:30] any. [01:09:31] >> The bigger problem for us is not what [01:09:33] economy we're doing. It's how we manage [01:09:35] the economy. [01:09:36] >> So, it doesn't matter where the money [01:09:37] comes from. [01:09:37] >> No, it does. But successive governments [01:09:39] have dragged us to a place where we have [01:09:41] almost zero growth. Without growth, you [01:09:43] can't have a successful thriving [01:09:45] country. [01:09:45] >> That's not true. Have you been to Japan? [01:09:47] It's like the most successful thriving [01:09:48] country in the world. that has had no [01:09:50] growth for a long not real growth. And [01:09:52] we've gotten these lectures from the [01:09:53] bankers for like 30 years. Japan is [01:09:55] dying. You ever go to Japan? You get [01:09:57] there four-year-old girls in the subway [01:09:58] alone. There's not one speck of litter [01:10:00] in all of Tokyo. And it's one of the [01:10:02] biggest cities in the world. 12 million. [01:10:04] It's an incredible society. It's the [01:10:06] opposite of New York, London, [01:10:09] >> Baltimore, Detroit. It's incred. I know [01:10:12] you've been there and I know you've had [01:10:13] these naughty forbidden thoughts like, [01:10:14] "Wait a second. I thought we dropped a [01:10:16] bomb on them. How are they so great?" [01:10:17] >> No, no, no. I like I like going to [01:10:19] Tokyo, but [01:10:19] >> no growth. How'd they do that with no [01:10:21] growth? I was assured by libertarian [01:10:23] ECONOMICS IF WE HAD NO GROWTH THINGS [01:10:24] WOULD BE BAD. WELL, LOOK AT THIS. [01:10:25] >> I LIKE going to Japan, but I wouldn't [01:10:27] swap it for London, [01:10:29] >> right? Fair. You're you're English. [01:10:31] That's kind of the point, right? This is [01:10:32] your homeland. [01:10:33] >> I genuinely do love London. [01:10:35] >> No, I bet you do. [01:10:35] >> When I lived in America full-time, I [01:10:37] really missed a lot of the [01:10:38] >> I hope so. This is where your ancestors [01:10:40] are from. I get it. That's the whole [01:10:42] point. That's the whole argument I'm [01:10:43] making. It matters where you're from. [01:10:45] The culture really matters. It's not [01:10:47] about growth. It's not about any of this [01:10:49] crap. It's about do I am I on the same [01:10:51] page with my neighbor? Do we have [01:10:52] something in common? Do we have the same [01:10:54] gut instincts about things? Those are [01:10:55] the most important questions there are. [01:10:57] >> But economic prosperity raises all the [01:10:59] ships. [01:11:00] >> Is that has that been true here? [01:11:01] >> It should be true. [01:11:02] >> Is there more poverty in London now than [01:11:04] there was 40 years ago? [01:11:05] >> There's more child poverty. [01:11:07] >> Yes, I know. [01:11:08] >> In fact, the child poverty rate is worse [01:11:09] here than it is in America. [01:11:11] >> A lot worse. [01:11:12] >> The general poverty rate. [01:11:13] >> So, how is this so great? Even though [01:11:14] they have [01:11:15] >> child poverty rate is actually uh lower [01:11:17] than it is in America, but child poverty [01:11:19] specifically. [01:11:20] >> Is there anything that matters other [01:11:21] than child poverty? I mean, not really. [01:11:24] So, [01:11:24] >> I agree. [01:11:25] >> Look, I'm not slagging on I love your [01:11:27] country. I really thought a lot about [01:11:28] this since I was so mean. [01:11:31] >> During that conversation, I was just [01:11:33] wounded because I feel like the [01:11:35] destruction of Britain has effects on [01:11:38] our entire Anglo civilization. [01:11:40] >> Did you actually look out and see a [01:11:41] destroyed country? [01:11:42] >> No, this is beautiful. I mean, this is [01:11:44] again, this is the rich part of town. [01:11:46] >> I could take you I could take you to [01:11:47] Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, [01:11:50] Cardiff. I could take you to [01:11:51] >> How they doing? [01:11:52] >> They're all doing great. Much better [01:11:54] than you think. Honestly, Tucker, you'll [01:11:56] walk around. You'll see the pubs packed, [01:11:58] the restaurants packed, the theat's [01:11:59] packed. You'll see people having a great [01:12:01] time. Go out on a Friday night in [01:12:02] London. Go to go to the Devonshire in [01:12:05] Soho, the best Irish pub in town. Four [01:12:08] deep in the streets. Everyone having a [01:12:09] great time. [01:12:11] 20,000 pints of Guinness being sold [01:12:13] every week. [01:12:14] >> I could say that there are so many [01:12:16] things about London I really like. I've [01:12:18] been here 3 days again visiting [01:12:19] relatives who [01:12:20] >> genuinely feel threatened walking [01:12:22] around. [01:12:22] >> No, not at all. AGAIN, WHAT'S WHO'S [01:12:24] going to do anything? Pakistanis are all [01:12:26] super nice to me and the whites are all [01:12:28] kind of craving and sad. No, you're [01:12:30] totally safe here, man. It's not that at [01:12:33] all. It's just that it's dirty. [01:12:35] >> It's what? [01:12:36] >> It's dirty. [01:12:37] >> Oh, come on. American cities aren't any [01:12:39] cleaner than London. They're dirtier. [01:12:40] They're dirtier. And it's one of the [01:12:42] great tragedies. And I can't get anyone [01:12:44] to care. [01:12:45] >> Nobody cares any. [01:12:47] >> So that to me, if I went to your bedroom [01:12:50] right now, I [01:12:50] >> Sorry. [01:12:51] >> I'm not going. I'm not going. Especially [01:12:52] after the whole [ __ ] thing. It's like [01:12:54] I'm uncomfortable. I get it. I get it. I [01:12:56] get it. And you said you were so [01:12:57] liberal. But um but if I went to your [01:12:59] house unannounced, I bet I would find it [01:13:01] tidy and clean. [01:13:02] >> And I bet I would find that not just [01:13:03] because you have a housekeeper. I don't [01:13:04] even know if you do, but because you [01:13:05] care. Because you have self-respect. [01:13:07] >> That's why you shave. But I agree with [01:13:09] that point. I think the self-respect [01:13:11] part, I totally agree with you. We've [01:13:12] lost that. We've lost the I think the [01:13:14] British. [01:13:15] >> We're legendary for our politeness, our [01:13:17] manners, our calm that has gone. We've [01:13:20] really [01:13:20] >> That's everything. [01:13:21] >> No, but I totally agree with you. So [01:13:23] when you talk about the cultural stuff [01:13:24] that I really regret that has gone out [01:13:26] of fashion, if you like, it is things [01:13:28] like that. It's things like, you know, a [01:13:30] British person used to speak well and [01:13:32] open doors for women and things like [01:13:34] that. Now that's frowned upon, right? [01:13:36] They're kind of screaming. Radical [01:13:37] feminists have made it almost a taboo [01:13:39] thing. Young men in particular do not [01:13:41] know how to behave. When I'm out with [01:13:43] them, I notice they don't stand up when [01:13:45] women walk into a room or to a table. [01:13:47] They don't open doors for women and [01:13:48] stuff because they've been conditioned [01:13:49] to think this might be toxic masculinity [01:13:51] and all this [ __ ] That kind of [01:13:53] stuff really worries me. [01:13:55] >> Do you ever wonder where it comes from? [01:13:57] >> Um cuz I know the answer, but I'm going [01:13:59] to let [01:13:59] >> Well, you're going to say it's [01:14:00] multiculturalism, but a lot of the other [01:14:02] cultures that have come here actually [01:14:04] have far more politeness. I agree. I [01:14:06] agree completely. [01:14:07] >> So that's the Yeah, [01:14:08] >> that's exactly my point is that the cost [01:14:11] >> is to the invaded. [01:14:13] >> You're being invaded. You already said [01:14:14] they're both showing up uninvited. [01:14:16] That's called an invasion. It's happened [01:14:18] a lot through history. [01:14:19] >> And it's the people who are conquered, [01:14:22] who are vanquished, who suffer. The [01:14:23] immigrants all seem kind of happy. It's [01:14:25] better than Bangalore, you know, or [01:14:26] wherever. [01:14:27] >> You don't feel conquered. [01:14:28] >> Well, you but you are though. I mean, if [01:14:30] people are showing up in boats in your [01:14:31] country, know I don't know what to do [01:14:33] about them. Well, how about sink them? [01:14:35] What? Just put [01:14:36] >> to put it in to put it in perspective. [01:14:38] >> Lord Nelson would put [01:14:39] >> put it in perspective. In the last 5 [01:14:41] years, we've had about 200,000 people [01:14:43] come over our southern border. In the [01:14:45] last 5 years in America, until Donald [01:14:47] Trump got a grip of it, you had [01:14:49] apparently 10 million come over the [01:14:51] southern border. [01:14:51] >> Oh, more. [01:14:52] >> Right. So, I'm afraid there is no [01:14:54] comparison. We have a little problem. [01:14:56] You had a gigantic problem. [01:14:58] >> Let Let me add an amen. as we say in the [01:15:00] black church that I totally agree and [01:15:02] that's why Britain is so interesting [01:15:04] because for two reasons. One, the people [01:15:06] who are being invaded and replaced are [01:15:09] the native population. They're the [01:15:11] Irakcoy of the British Isles. They've [01:15:13] been here forever. Their ancestors bones [01:15:15] are at Stonehenge. There's no debate [01:15:16] about that, though. They pretend [01:15:18] otherwise, but that's just a fact. So [01:15:19] eliminating indigenous populations is [01:15:21] like kind of a sin, I thought, but it's [01:15:23] happening here and in Ireland and in [01:15:24] Scotland and in Wales. [01:15:26] A B [01:15:27] >> Hang on, they're not being eliminated. [01:15:29] Of course they are. Look at the birth [01:15:30] rates. What are their birth rates? [01:15:32] >> That's not an elimination. [01:15:33] >> Of course it is. Over time it is. [01:15:35] >> But that is people taking a decision [01:15:36] about their own lives and not having [01:15:37] enough children or as many as they used [01:15:39] to have. [01:15:40] >> Well elimination. [01:15:43] No one's forcing them. No. [01:15:44] >> No one's telling the white population of [01:15:46] this country you can't have more than [01:15:48] one child. [01:15:48] >> Well, that's kind of the point that I'm [01:15:49] making. [01:15:50] >> No, they're not the [01:15:52] >> Well, whatever they're doing, I mean, [01:15:53] they're they're certainly encou they're [01:15:55] aggressive. They're aggressively [01:15:58] encouraging homosexuality. Use the f [01:16:00] word and you go to jail. No. WHAT? WHAT [01:16:02] IS THAT? [01:16:03] >> YOU CAN'T. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO'S IN [01:16:04] CHARGE, WHO CAN'T YOU CRITICIZE? You [01:16:05] can't USE THE WORD [ __ ] [01:16:07] >> NO one's aggressively encouraging [01:16:08] homosexual in jail FOR USING A NAUGHTY [01:16:11] WORD ABOUT GAYS. DUDE, THEY'RE not [01:16:12] encouraging IT. WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT [01:16:13] IS? [01:16:14] >> What's wrong with homosexuality? [01:16:17] >> Well, if you encourage it and the rate [01:16:20] goes up, people have fewer kids. I don't [01:16:22] know. You did you do biology? So, just [01:16:24] to be clear, most gay people don't have [01:16:26] kids. [01:16:27] >> That's the point I'm making. They don't. [01:16:28] >> So, if all of a sudden you have more [01:16:30] people being gay, which you do a lot. [01:16:33] >> No, you don't. People don't pretend to [01:16:35] be gay. [01:16:35] >> Do you have the internet? [01:16:36] >> Huh? [01:16:37] >> I don't know. I'm not saying they're [01:16:38] pretending. I'm saying you've got way [01:16:40] more. [01:16:40] >> Yeah. You're gay, right? [01:16:42] >> Well, you know, we used to say that, but [01:16:44] >> You don't think so? [01:16:45] >> Well, I used to think that, but all of a [01:16:47] sudden you're [01:16:48] >> getting lots of people putting their [01:16:49] hand up saying they're trans. That's a [01:16:50] different issue. [01:16:51] >> Oh, IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT [01:16:52] PART OF the continuum. It's not like [01:16:54] gender isn't real. I can pretend [01:16:58] >> it's if you're gay, you're gay. [01:17:00] >> Well, you know, we were told that and I [01:17:02] believed a lot of things. [01:17:03] >> Do you not believe that? [01:17:03] >> Well, it's it's demonstrabably not true [01:17:05] because science tells us that. [01:17:06] >> You think people are making it up? [01:17:07] >> I don't think they're making it up at [01:17:08] all. So, [01:17:09] >> what's your point? [01:17:09] >> I think that you can be moved in that [01:17:12] direction through propaganda and [01:17:13] pornography. [01:17:14] >> Oh, come on, Vic Tucker. [01:17:15] >> Well, then then how do you explain? [01:17:17] >> Is there anything that would make Could [01:17:19] I make you gay? [01:17:21] How hard do you want to try? [01:17:23] >> Not hard. I can tell you. [01:17:24] >> That's the spirit, Pierce. There's a [01:17:26] limit. EVEN AN OPEN-MINDED MAN LIKE YOU, [01:17:28] YOU KIND OF HATE THE GAYS. I MAKE YOU I [01:17:29] MAKE A LITTLE GAY JOKE AND YOU'RE LIKE, [01:17:30] "OH, I'M NOT GOING TO BE GAY." OH, NO. [01:17:33] >> WHY ARE you using a gay slur? That's [01:17:34] fine. It [01:17:36] >> Well, first of all, it the context [01:17:37] matters. I, as I've told you, I mean, [01:17:39] that's like coffee table conversation [01:17:41] between the gays. I work with that fox [01:17:43] [ __ ] [01:17:44] >> So, if it's okay with them, it's okay [01:17:46] with me. It's just it it's sort of like [01:17:47] it's sort of like racism. Only the white [01:17:50] think people can be persuaded to be gay. [01:17:52] >> Well, then why don't you explain the [01:17:55] two-fold or three-fold increase in [01:17:57] self-identified homosexuals in the [01:17:58] United States? [01:17:59] >> I can. They used to be repressed. It [01:18:00] used to be illegal in this country until [01:18:01] the mid-60s. You literally went to jail. [01:18:04] So, all through Hang on, hang on. You [01:18:05] literally were put in a prison cell if [01:18:08] you were openly [ __ ] [01:18:09] >> That was more here actually. You guys [01:18:10] did Oscar Wild. We didn't. But you also [01:18:13] absolutely shocking. [01:18:14] >> Yeah, it was terrible. you you ruled the [01:18:15] world um at the time and now you're a [01:18:17] joke dependent on four known banks [01:18:20] because everyone's gay so it's like a [01:18:21] great trade [01:18:21] >> allowing so allowing allowing gay people [01:18:23] to be openly gay is is why we recommend [01:18:26] >> blocking masculinity is the fastest ways [01:18:30] to servitude [01:18:32] any Pakistani that's why I like the [01:18:33] Pakistan you talk to a Pakistani cab [01:18:35] driver and you're like why are you gay [01:18:37] and they will start laughing because [01:18:38] they've watched the video and they're [01:18:39] like I'm not gay I'm a man [01:18:42] ask a single Britain why are you gay [01:18:43] they like well I'm gay, but it would be [01:18:45] okay if I was. [01:18:46] >> And it's like there's no masculine [01:18:48] self-respect at all. [01:18:50] >> You're sounding quite homophobic. [01:18:52] >> I'm not afraid of gays at all. I'm just [01:18:54] asking actually. [01:18:55] >> You don't even We don't actually think [01:18:56] they really exist by the sound of it. [01:18:58] >> Well, they exist. [01:18:59] >> No, but are they real? Do is their [01:19:00] sexuality genuinely sleeping with dudes? [01:19:03] >> Are they well and women? Are they [01:19:05] attracted to members of the [01:19:07] >> dude? The lesbian thing is way [01:19:08] overblown. [01:19:08] >> Actually, there are a lot of lesbians. [01:19:10] >> How many? [01:19:11] I haven't counted recently this [01:19:13] conversation. [01:19:14] >> Not recently. [01:19:14] >> This is so great. You're going to get so [01:19:16] [ __ ] arrested after this. It's going [01:19:17] to be unbelievable. [01:19:18] >> No one's arresting me. [01:19:19] >> Okay. [01:19:20] >> No one's arresting me, but I'm just [01:19:22] curious whether you think that gay [01:19:23] people let me let me let me [01:19:25] >> actually are gay or whether you think [01:19:26] they've been somehow turned. [01:19:27] >> Well, for the third time, I think it's [01:19:29] completely sincere, [01:19:30] >> right? [01:19:30] >> Completely sincere. The question, not [01:19:32] saying you have a problem with it. I'm [01:19:34] merely saying you get fewer children [01:19:37] when more people are gay. [01:19:38] >> You don't. [01:19:39] >> Well, actually, you do. People aren't [01:19:41] gay. Just more people are gay. Wait, [01:19:44] hold on. You don't get fewer people. [01:19:46] Stop. Okay. Was it like 30% of the [01:19:48] population always like in Roman times? [01:19:50] About 30%, would you say? [01:19:52] >> I'm just saying. [01:19:53] >> No, it was like this is [01:19:54] >> the falling birth rates have nothing to [01:19:56] do with [01:19:56] >> If you have more if you have more gays, [01:20:00] >> do you have fewer children? [01:20:01] >> We don't have more gays. We have way [01:20:04] more gays. [01:20:04] >> No. No. We have more people who are not [01:20:06] afraid to say they're gay. [01:20:08] >> They're letting their freak flag fly. [01:20:09] They are actually gay, Tucker. They just [01:20:12] haven't been able to admit it. [01:20:14] >> So why isn't that the case like in Asia? [01:20:17] >> What do you mean? [01:20:18] >> I don't think there's no Asian country [01:20:20] and they're not all like putting gays in [01:20:22] jail. Malaysia might be. Korea's not. [01:20:25] South Korea. Why? Why is their [01:20:27] self-described homosexuality rate so [01:20:29] much lower than yours? Japan, same. [01:20:31] >> Because culturally it is not a thing. [01:20:34] >> So it's genetic. You think it's genetic? [01:20:35] >> No, it's cultural. [01:20:36] >> No. No. People become gay. the last [01:20:38] World Cup. How do you become gay? [01:20:40] >> Let me give you the World Cup is coming. [01:20:42] The World [01:20:42] >> Talk about soccer. [01:20:43] >> I'M I'M TELLING YOU WHY. [01:20:44] >> TALK ABOUT THE GAY THING. [01:20:45] >> I'm telling you why. [01:20:46] >> How do they become gay? WHY ARE YOU GAY? [01:20:48] >> ONE IN four countries in the last World [01:20:50] Cup actually uh outlaw being homosexual. [01:20:54] It's criminal offense. Do you think [01:20:55] that's right? [01:20:56] >> I don't care. [01:20:57] >> We should care. [01:20:58] >> Okay. I really care. [01:20:59] >> You've had people arrested for using the [01:21:01] word [ __ ] That's who I feel sorry [01:21:02] for. This chick from Britain. [01:21:03] >> So, do so. Right. So, you feel very [01:21:05] exercised about that. She's in Great [01:21:07] Britain. She's not in some primitive [01:21:09] theocracy. [01:21:09] >> Are you not as exercised about people [01:21:11] being arrested and putting a prison cell [01:21:12] for their sexuality if they're gay? [01:21:16] >> Why do you feel as angry about that? [01:21:17] >> Cuz it's not my culture. It's not my [01:21:19] country. It's not. [01:21:20] >> Come on. [01:21:21] >> Why don't I'm not for arresting any I'm [01:21:23] for arresting very few. [01:21:24] >> You think people should be arrested for [01:21:25] their sexuality? [01:21:25] >> OF COURSE NOT. [01:21:26] >> WHY DO YOU AGREE with me? [01:21:28] >> You're talk about Okay. I will not as a [01:21:30] also a talk show host. You're not going [01:21:32] to get me off my path. And my path leads [01:21:34] to this question. How do people become [01:21:38] gay? Why [01:21:39] >> they don't become gay? [01:21:41] >> Why are they born gay? [01:21:42] >> Yes. [01:21:43] >> How does that work? [01:21:45] >> They're born gay. [01:21:46] >> How? [01:21:47] >> They have a sexual attraction. I [01:21:49] understand the manifestations. The [01:21:50] symptoms. [01:21:51] >> The symptoms. [01:21:52] >> Yeah. The symptoms. The symptoms. The [01:21:53] symptoms of my [01:21:54] >> They're born gay. [01:21:56] >> Okay. So, that means it's [01:21:57] >> You may not want to. No. No. That means [01:21:59] that. [01:21:59] >> No. I'm I'm just asking how it works. [01:22:01] So, there's a gay gene. [01:22:02] >> You said you worked with lots of gay. [01:22:04] >> Hold on. Hold on. There's a gay view. [01:22:05] >> You had this conversation with actual [01:22:07] gay people. [01:22:07] >> Yeah. A lot of them say, "I got [01:22:08] molested. That's why I'm gay." In fact, [01:22:10] a really good friend of mine who's gay. [01:22:11] So, I got molested. That's why I'm gay. [01:22:13] >> All gay people are gay because they got [01:22:14] molested. [01:22:14] >> No, I don't think that, [01:22:15] >> but I am wondering. I don't know the [01:22:17] answer, [01:22:18] >> but I was [01:22:19] >> I would say the absolute majority of gay [01:22:21] people are gay because they are actually [01:22:24] attracted to members of their own sex. [01:22:26] >> No, no, but again, that's a manif [01:22:29] thing. [01:22:29] >> You're not. Let's Let's just do science [01:22:30] for 30 seconds. Of course, you're right. [01:22:33] That's the definition of gay. I'm [01:22:34] attracted to someone of my of my same [01:22:36] sex. [01:22:36] >> Believe that. [01:22:37] >> Do I believe that they're attracted to [01:22:38] people from their own sex? [01:22:39] >> Yes. [01:22:39] >> Well, obviously they have sex with them. [01:22:40] So that's what attract. [01:22:41] >> So what's the big deal? Why do you care? [01:22:43] >> My question because the self reported [01:22:47] incidence of it has risen. So we were [01:22:49] told 30 years ago and I I have a good [01:22:51] memory. It's about 10%. But the actual [01:22:53] self [01:22:53] >> because people were being mer listen [01:22:56] listen then but the self-report rate was [01:22:58] like 5% then it's 10% now it's like 30%. [01:23:00] >> So my question is were they all born [01:23:02] that way? 30% of a population is born [01:23:06] homosexual. As an evolutionary matter, [01:23:08] you tell me how that works. How do you [01:23:10] reproduce? [01:23:10] >> It's not 30% of the population [01:23:12] >> in the United States. In a lot of [01:23:12] places, it is 30%. [01:23:14] >> IT'S NOT 30%. [01:23:16] >> WAY HIGHER HERE BASED ON THE VIBE. [01:23:18] >> What is way higher is the number of [01:23:19] people compared to where does it come [01:23:21] from? 30 years ago. [01:23:22] >> Is it genetic? And where's the gene? [01:23:24] >> 30 years ago, gay people were [01:23:25] persecuted. [01:23:26] >> I know. I've heard the story. WE WERE [01:23:28] COMMEMORATING STONEWALL THE OTHER DAY AT [01:23:29] MY HOUSE. You know, I'm on board with [01:23:31] all of this stuff. Yeah, the candle [01:23:33] light vigil. We always do it every year. [01:23:34] Every February 9th, we I arrest my kids [01:23:37] in this kind of mock Stonewall thing. [01:23:39] >> What do you do if one of your kids [01:23:40] >> THEY SAY, "I JUST WANT TO BE FREE." AND [01:23:42] THEN I UNLOCK THE HANGERS. [01:23:43] >> WHAT HAPPENS if one of What happens if [01:23:44] one of your kids says they're gay? [01:23:46] >> I love my kids no matter what. I love my [01:23:47] kids no matter what they do. They're my [01:23:50] children. [01:23:50] >> Would you think someone had turned them [01:23:51] into a gay person or would you accept [01:23:53] them as [01:23:54] >> I'm a journalist, so I actually want to [01:23:55] know what the real answer is, not the [01:23:56] [ __ ] propaganda answer. [01:23:58] >> What would you say to them? [01:23:59] >> I I don't know. That's why I'm asking [01:24:01] you. You say people are born gay what [01:24:03] you would do. [01:24:03] >> You don't want TO ANSWER BECAUSE YOU [01:24:04] don't have an answer because YOU KNOW [01:24:06] YOUR ANSWER IS MY [ __ ] [01:24:07] >> NO, MY ANSWER IS CORRECT [01:24:08] >> THAT THEY'RE BORN THAT way and they're [01:24:09] born gay. [01:24:10] >> Then is there a gene for it? And you [01:24:12] know there isn't. So tell me a gene. [01:24:15] It's it it it's the code that determines [01:24:18] your physical and emotional [01:24:20] characteristics. You have blue eyes [01:24:21] because you have a gene for blue eyes. [01:24:24] >> If someone is gay, then there should be [01:24:26] a gene that we can isolate and say it's [01:24:27] the gay gene. And science has been [01:24:28] looking for the gay gene for a long [01:24:30] time. And my question is, where is it? [01:24:31] I'm waiting on my gay gene. I ordered a [01:24:33] gay gene and IT HASN'T ARRIVED. WAIT, [01:24:35] WHERE'S MY GAY GENE? [01:24:36] >> Doesn't mean like you might be. [01:24:38] >> Yeah, I'm waiting for my gay gene. And [01:24:39] if there isn't a gay gene, then it's [01:24:41] totally within bound. It's not [01:24:42] homophobia. It's not hate. I don't want [01:24:44] to arrest people in Liberia or whatever [01:24:46] the hell you're talking about. [01:24:48] >> I just want to know what is this? And no [01:24:50] one will answer the question. And I [01:24:52] don't know why. It's weird, right? Why [01:24:54] can't we have a non-emotional [01:24:55] conversation with why are you gay? as [01:24:58] they say in Nigeria. Why are you gay? [01:25:00] And no one will answer it. [01:25:01] >> Well, in Nigeria, it's a criminal [01:25:02] offense to be gay. I [01:25:03] >> I don't know. [01:25:04] >> You think there aren't gay people in [01:25:05] Nigeria? I haven't been there in a [01:25:07] while. [01:25:07] >> Of course there are gay people in [01:25:08] Nigeria. [01:25:09] >> Where does it come from? And you can't [01:25:10] answer the question. [01:25:11] >> But if they admit they're gay, they get [01:25:12] put in prison. [01:25:14] >> That can't be right. Right. You're a [01:25:15] guy. [01:25:17] >> Putting someone in prison because he [01:25:18] says he's gay. Of course, I'm against [01:25:19] that. I mean, please. [01:25:20] >> Not because he says he's gay. To an [01:25:22] extreme third world. [01:25:24] >> You guys don't bring Nigerians here, do [01:25:26] you? There were a lot of Nigerians here. [01:25:28] >> What? [01:25:29] >> You import gay haters into your country? [01:25:31] I thought you were for the gays. [01:25:33] >> NO, I'M SERIOUS. WHY WOULD YOU IMPORT? [01:25:35] You're just telling me that the [01:25:36] Nigerians are bad and you said you [01:25:37] basically hate Nigerian. [01:25:38] >> As you know, Tucker, there are lots of [01:25:39] countries around the world with [01:25:40] different laws to hear different [01:25:42] >> But why would you import them if you [01:25:43] love the game? Why would you import [01:25:45] people? [01:25:45] >> Because when they come here, they have [01:25:47] to abide by our laws. That's how it [01:25:49] works. [01:25:49] >> And your values. So, what are those [01:25:50] values? [01:25:51] >> No, actually, you don't have to come [01:25:52] here with our values. Oh, [01:25:54] >> you have to come here and abide by our [01:25:55] laws [01:25:57] >> and your laws include not using the word [01:25:59] [ __ ] That's against the law. [01:26:00] >> I just think why would you do that and [01:26:02] just be offensive for the sake of it? [01:26:03] >> I I totally agree with you. I never use [01:26:05] that word. I'm just being honest. I [01:26:06] never use that word ever. [01:26:08] >> I think it's maybe the first time I used [01:26:09] it since the 80s. [01:26:10] >> But it's not a matter of custom. It's a [01:26:12] matter of law because this woman, mother [01:26:14] of four, w in prison for it. [01:26:17] >> So if that's going to be the law, [01:26:20] >> it's obviously like the most import. so [01:26:21] important to you that people not insult [01:26:23] gays in any way. You can insult [01:26:25] straights. [01:26:25] >> You can insult gays as much as you like. [01:26:27] >> Well, no, you can't. You get arrested. [01:26:29] You [01:26:29] >> I don't know that story. I'm going to [01:26:30] look into it. But as I said to you, I'm [01:26:32] going to hand it to you right here. Here [01:26:33] it is. [01:26:34] >> I don't think people should be arrested [01:26:35] for using words like that. I agree. [01:26:37] >> There should be social disapproval. [01:26:38] >> You should be allowed to be hateful [01:26:40] under freedom of speech. [01:26:42] >> I totally agree. [01:26:42] >> You know, if you're not actually [01:26:43] inciting violence against people, which [01:26:46] is a different thing. [01:26:47] >> We should agree. If you if I say go and [01:26:49] stab Tucker Carlson and he's staying at [01:26:51] this hotel right now, it's a criminal [01:26:53] offense. There's already a law and [01:26:54] statute in both our countries for that. [01:26:56] >> So, I can tell that we were both born in [01:26:57] the 1960s cuz we totally agree on the [01:26:59] underlying human right, which is the [01:27:02] core human right, which is the right to [01:27:04] conscience and self-exression. And both [01:27:06] of us are on exactly the same page. [01:27:07] Where I lose you is your whole world is [01:27:10] crumbling around you. I'm worried that's [01:27:12] going to happen in my country, which is [01:27:13] why I'm hassling you. [01:27:14] >> My whole world's great. In fact, it [01:27:16] couldn't be better. The restaurants are [01:27:17] better. I totally get it. That's what [01:27:18] matters. [01:27:19] >> If I'd known you in town yesterday, I'd [01:27:20] have taken you to the Emirates Stadium [01:27:22] to watch my football team Arsenal beat [01:27:24] our North London rival. It was the most [01:27:26] joyous, magnificent experience [01:27:29] imaginable. You would have seen a [01:27:31] multicultural crowd roaring as one. [01:27:36] Jews, Muslims, white, black, gay, [01:27:40] straight, all joined as one as Arsenal [01:27:43] fans. It's what the church used to be [01:27:44] except they charge you admission. I get [01:27:46] it. I know what bread and [01:27:47] >> circus actually the church used to [01:27:49] charge you admission in the old uh [01:27:52] >> we we had Martin Luther for that and we [01:27:53] were trying to fix that and Henry VII [01:27:55] played along. So God bless you for that. [01:27:56] But here's the point. [01:27:59] >> No, but here's my point. If I took you [01:28:00] to the Devonshire for a pint of [01:28:02] Guinness, you'd love it. If I took you [01:28:03] to Arsenal to a massive multiculture [01:28:06] fans, you'd love it. 60,000 people, no [01:28:09] trouble, no aggravation. [01:28:10] >> I'm here voluntarily. I love it. I just [01:28:12] don't want it to evaporate into [01:28:14] >> It's not evaporating. [01:28:15] >> Okay. [01:28:16] >> Why aren't you more panicked that [01:28:18] thousands of people thousands [01:28:21] >> by their own admission, the admission of [01:28:22] the of the British government arrested [01:28:24] every year for saying words, not [01:28:26] threats. Words. [01:28:27] >> I am. I've expressed my [01:28:28] >> So why doesn't someone try to overthrow [01:28:29] the government? I don't understand. How [01:28:31] can they treat you like slaves? [01:28:32] >> They carry on down that road. [01:28:33] >> Well, they are carrying it out. It's [01:28:34] thousands a year and it's getting more [01:28:36] >> and they will be voted out of office. I [01:28:38] see him. Yes. [01:28:39] >> That's how [01:28:40] >> is that what Winston Churchill would [01:28:41] say? I think Winston Churchill said, [01:28:42] "Even if a strong man tries to take [01:28:45] Poland, a country we've got nothing to [01:28:46] do with, not even close to here, we're [01:28:48] going to risk the lives of our citizens [01:28:51] to liberate Poland." [01:28:53] >> Poland is closer to here than your home [01:28:55] is to New York. [01:28:56] >> Yes, that's true. That's true. [01:28:57] >> So, it's all relative. So, if [01:28:59] >> Well, it's a tiny little Lego Europe. I [01:29:01] get it. [01:29:01] >> If Maine got attacked, would you expect [01:29:02] people in New York? [01:29:03] >> Poland has nothing to do with [01:29:04] >> Maine got attacked, would you expect [01:29:06] people in New York to help you? [01:29:07] >> It's the same country. Okay, but you're [01:29:10] actually [01:29:10] >> kind of a big distinction. My country is [01:29:13] quite large. [01:29:13] >> We were part of Europe, the same [01:29:15] continent. [01:29:15] >> We were not part of I call [ __ ] on [01:29:18] that. In 1940, you were not part of [01:29:20] Europe. [01:29:20] >> You don't think Well, of course, we're [01:29:21] on definitely not part of the continent [01:29:23] of Europe. [01:29:24] >> You are not on the continent if you're [01:29:25] an island, dude. Off the continent, [01:29:27] separated by a body of water. Do you [01:29:30] know what it's called between you and [01:29:31] France? It's called the English Channel. [01:29:32] You are not part of Europe. That is not [01:29:34] true. My ancestors lived here. You were [01:29:36] not You were England. part of Europe. [01:29:38] >> France was considered exotic and crazy. [01:29:40] That's where the prostitutes and the [01:29:41] cheese eaters lived. It's only the [01:29:43] brainwashing of Tony Blair and all these [01:29:45] technocrats since have convinced you [01:29:46] European. You're way better than [01:29:48] European. You're an ancient Germanic [01:29:51] Celtic people who ruled the world. Do [01:29:53] you remember that in your wooden ships? [01:29:55] Anyway, but the point is [01:29:58] >> the point [01:30:00] serious [01:30:02] some crap sometimes. Anyways, it's [01:30:05] totally come on [01:30:06] >> with the mask from Maine, White Pines. [01:30:08] But the point is, [01:30:10] >> your country went to war to preserve [01:30:13] human rights in another country you had [01:30:15] nothing to do with, but human rights are [01:30:17] evaporating in your own country and it's [01:30:19] cool because you have soccer games with [01:30:21] foreigners at them and good barata. And [01:30:23] I'm just saying maybe something about [01:30:25] the heroic British spirit has been [01:30:27] diminished with time. That's all I'm [01:30:28] saying. But there is a very lovely [01:30:29] quaint notion being built up in the [01:30:31] United States driven by people like [01:30:33] Tommy Robinson here. [01:30:34] >> Who's Tommy Robinson? [01:30:35] >> You know Tommy Robinson? [01:30:36] >> He seems like a fraud to me. [01:30:37] >> Well, he's not even Tommy Robinson. His [01:30:39] name's Steven Yaxley. It's not even his [01:30:41] real name. He's also convicted of [01:30:43] multiple crimes, thuggery, fraud. [01:30:46] >> I don't even know anything about him, [01:30:47] but he doesn't seem like he's that [01:30:48] >> into we would call him a little [ __ ] [01:30:51] stirer, right? However, yes, [01:30:52] >> but the real people here, the actual [01:30:54] Britain, [01:30:55] >> this idea that that he's driven that [01:30:57] we're on the verge of some sort of civil [01:30:58] war here. Do you feel that when you walk [01:31:00] around? [01:31:00] >> No, because that's my POINT. YOU'RE SO [01:31:02] PASSIVE. THEY take your human rights [01:31:04] away and you're like, "Oh, defending [01:31:06] Ukraine is so important. We're so proud [01:31:07] to have defended Poland's territorial [01:31:09] integrity 80 years ago." It's like, [01:31:11] great. I'm so glad. [01:31:12] >> I'm very proud of that. I apparently, [01:31:14] but it's all a kind of displacement [01:31:16] where you're taking your own [01:31:17] frustrations with yourselves and your [01:31:19] own cowardice and sort of living in this [01:31:21] Walter Midi world. We're like, "No, [01:31:23] actually, we're brave. We're going to [01:31:24] defend Ukraine." It's like, "What about [01:31:25] defend yourselves against the monsters [01:31:28] defending Ukraine?" [01:31:30] >> It's like eighth on the list. Defend [01:31:32] yourself. Defend your human rights. They [01:31:34] can't put you in jail for saying naughty [01:31:35] words. [01:31:36] >> Sure. [01:31:36] >> Period. [01:31:37] >> I agree. [01:31:37] >> So march on the capital. Get these [01:31:39] people out. Scare them. [01:31:40] >> Yeah. do to them what you did to the [01:31:43] Germans in Poland which you would like [01:31:45] to do to the Russians and [01:31:47] >> but the way we are a democratic society [01:31:50] with a democratic government [01:31:51] >> how is it democratic nobody wants [01:31:53] >> when if a government overreaches and I [01:31:56] think on free speech they've lost the [01:31:57] plot if they do they will get I can [01:32:00] guarantee you voted out of [01:32:01] >> when was the last time Britain's voted [01:32:03] for millions of foreigners to come to [01:32:05] their country [01:32:06] >> well you don't you vote for a government [01:32:08] that makes [01:32:08] >> well you don't ever vote for that so the [01:32:09] biggest thing that And what happened in [01:32:11] your history? Nobody voted for people. [01:32:13] People flag up what their policies are [01:32:14] going to be. But actually what it's been [01:32:16] is a systematic failure to control our [01:32:19] borders going back I would say 25 years. [01:32:21] That's really what's happened. [01:32:22] >> Just all I'm saying is it doesn't seem [01:32:24] democratic. It doesn't seem that's what [01:32:25] the people want at all. [01:32:27] >> I agree. It's now become a massive [01:32:29] issue. And the big issue actually is [01:32:32] because they put a lot of these [01:32:34] so-called asylum seekers and many of [01:32:35] them are not. They're economic seekers [01:32:38] who want a better life. I don't blame [01:32:40] them. It's a great country to come to. [01:32:42] But a lot of them are being put in [01:32:44] really nice quality hotels and they're [01:32:46] while they're being processed sometimes [01:32:48] for 2 years, 3 years, they're living a [01:32:51] very comfortable, luxurious life in [01:32:53] neighborhoods where there is real abject [01:32:56] poverty. And that is what is causing a [01:32:58] lot of unrest. And I get that. And I [01:33:00] have great sympathy with the people who [01:33:02] live in those areas who are really [01:33:04] struggling to feed their kids who are [01:33:05] seeing these people coming in on the [01:33:07] boats illegally and being put in f fancy [01:33:10] hotels. That has to stop. And you also [01:33:12] have to process these people a lot [01:33:14] quicker for their sake and for the [01:33:16] countries. Are you a genuine asylum [01:33:17] seeker? I never want this country to be [01:33:19] a place that rejects genuine asylum [01:33:21] seekers. Why? [01:33:22] >> Well, because actually I believe that we [01:33:24] have a duty to take care of people who [01:33:26] are genuinely free. [01:33:27] >> How about your own people? What about [01:33:28] fleeing war torn countries where we [01:33:30] started the war? What about people [01:33:31] >> stop starting worse? You're doing it [01:33:33] again. [01:33:33] >> Okay, but one of us opposed the Iraq war [01:33:35] at the time and it wasn't you. [01:33:37] >> I've been atoning for it ever since. I [01:33:39] was one of the worst. [01:33:40] >> I led the campaign here against the Iraq [01:33:42] war. Cost me my job in the end. But I [01:33:44] led the I led a front page assault on [01:33:46] that. [01:33:47] >> You should stick with that. You should [01:33:48] stick with that. [01:33:48] >> Well, I agree. I I take a lot of I I [01:33:50] like to look at each war in isolation. [01:33:53] Well, I do. I get it. I get it. Pers, I [01:33:57] know you've got a job. You've been so [01:33:58] gracious in defending your country. [01:34:01] >> By the way, I meant to start with this [01:34:05] until today. I had no idea that you [01:34:08] appeared on Dancing with the Stars. [01:34:09] >> I didn't. That's AI. [01:34:11] >> Somebody tweeted the clip today with two [01:34:13] friends of mine. Len Goodman, sadly no [01:34:16] longer with us. Bruno Tonioli, ripping [01:34:18] you a new one. [01:34:19] >> Of course, your dancing. I got TO [01:34:22] >> I DON'T I DON'T REALLY think there had [01:34:23] their attacks had much to do with my [01:34:24] appearance stars. I'm just suspecting. [01:34:27] >> Well, you are many. Well, I got to be [01:34:29] there was a point. You didn't really do [01:34:30] much dancing. And as Bruno put it, the [01:34:33] problem started when you actually [01:34:34] danced. [01:34:35] >> You know, honestly, [01:34:36] >> has your dancing improved? [01:34:38] >> My dancing is pretty good. I have a [01:34:40] little trouble taking instruction, but [01:34:42] you know, I would just say what they [01:34:44] always say when the nude pictures of the [01:34:46] porno tape emerge years later. I was [01:34:47] young and I needed the money. Okay. [01:34:51] Pierce Morgan, ladies and gentlemen, [01:34:52] thank you for spending all [01:34:53] >> Welcome to my country. It is it is a [01:34:56] lovely country. 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