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[00:00:04] Ian, Carol, I have wanted to meet you.
[00:00:07] I'm grateful you're here. Yeah, thank
[00:00:08] you.
[00:00:08] >> Thanks, man.
[00:00:09] >> Um,
[00:00:10] >> so I just want to understand one story.
[00:00:13] I want to know what we know about the
[00:00:16] biggest mass shooting in American
[00:00:18] history in Las Vegas, 2017. I spent a
[00:00:22] full year looking into it. Got nowhere.
[00:00:26] um other than increasingly skeptical of
[00:00:27] the story we were told, but I I really
[00:00:29] don't there's a lot I don't know. So,
[00:00:30] will you lay out what we do know?
[00:00:33] >> Yeah. Um I mean, first the most
[00:00:36] important thing to highlight is that I'd
[00:00:37] bet that a lot of people when you
[00:00:39] started that sentence don't know what
[00:00:41] the most deadly mass shooting in
[00:00:44] American history is [laughter] because I
[00:00:45] think that most Americans have forgotten
[00:00:47] about the Las Vegas shooting because it
[00:00:49] just got poofed right out of the news
[00:00:51] after like a week and they just never
[00:00:53] brought it up again basically. Um and
[00:00:55] then there was actually disinformation
[00:00:56] poured in to try to stop journalists and
[00:00:59] investigators and regular citizens from
[00:01:01] uncovering basic truths from getting
[00:01:03] basic disclosure.
[00:01:04] >> Um c can you be specific what what does
[00:01:06] that mean disinformation port of
[00:01:08] >> well I think we'll get there in the
[00:01:09] story. Um, and but before we start the
[00:01:12] story, it's important to give myself
[00:01:14] context in that I wasn't there and I
[00:01:16] wasn't researching at the time. And so
[00:01:18] the actual work of what we do know was
[00:01:20] done by a bunch of citizen journalists,
[00:01:22] a bunch of really incredible researchers
[00:01:25] at the time, which I'm going to try to
[00:01:26] kind of shout out as we go through it
[00:01:28] because I didn't do any of the original
[00:01:30] research. I came in long after the fact
[00:01:32] and did my research and found all of
[00:01:34] their work. And
[00:01:36] >> well, you have a talent for
[00:01:37] synthesizing. So I mean that's what I
[00:01:39] try to do is I'm good at I'm good at
[00:01:40] getting eyes on stories and a lot of the
[00:01:43] best researchers and journalists are
[00:01:45] just good at the information itself at
[00:01:46] the journalism and we we kind of need
[00:01:48] these different people in these
[00:01:50] different lanes to sort of help each
[00:01:51] other out and work together in order to
[00:01:53] get the story done but then also get it
[00:01:54] out to as many people as possible. And
[00:01:56] this one is so important, as I think
[00:01:58] we'll talk through here, not just in
[00:02:00] that it's the most deadly mass shooting
[00:02:02] in American history, but in that it has
[00:02:04] very direct political and geopolitical
[00:02:06] implications for what's happening today
[00:02:08] on the world stage. Um, depending what
[00:02:11] theory you subscribe to about what
[00:02:12] really happened. But um the basics of
[00:02:16] what happened is we're told that Steven
[00:02:18] Paddock, this disgruntled 60some like
[00:02:22] real estate guy, ex ex-gun guy, uh
[00:02:26] thought he was a hot shot but was
[00:02:28] failing at life and he was slipping in
[00:02:31] his mental health. He had a gambling
[00:02:33] problem and you know all these little
[00:02:34] explanations they kind of give after the
[00:02:36] fact and he wound up going to Las Vegas.
[00:02:38] Um, and there's so many places here
[00:02:40] where I'm going to have to sort of say
[00:02:42] first they told us this and then they
[00:02:43] told us this and then they told us this.
[00:02:45] >> And first they said he checked into the
[00:02:46] hotel the day before the shooting. Um,
[00:02:48] but it was later revised because it was
[00:02:50] obvious that he had checked in uh like
[00:02:52] five or 6 days before the shooting on
[00:02:54] the 25th of September. And he checks in
[00:02:57] and over a series of days he lugs up uh
[00:03:00] I think 22 bags of weapons and
[00:03:02] ammunition to his hotel room um suite
[00:03:04] 32135.
[00:03:06] He he had two suites, 32135 and 32136
[00:03:09] that were adjoining. And he rents it
[00:03:12] alone with no one else on the room,
[00:03:14] though we later learned that that wasn't
[00:03:15] true. And uh and he stocks it with all
[00:03:19] these weapons, which were mostly all AR
[00:03:21] platforms with bump stocks. Very
[00:03:23] important that you know they were bump
[00:03:25] stocks cuz that's evil and makes no
[00:03:26] sense. Um, and then there's this country
[00:03:29] music concert on October 1st, uh, down
[00:03:32] outside of the Mandalay Bay across the
[00:03:34] street in this big parking lot with
[00:03:36] thousands of attendees. And we'll kind
[00:03:39] of circle back to this endlessly, I
[00:03:41] think, as we unpack what really happened
[00:03:42] and what people really discovered about
[00:03:44] it. But, um,
[00:03:48] there's some stuff with the security
[00:03:49] guard that gets an alert about the doors
[00:03:52] or about, you know, what's going on in
[00:03:53] the room and he winds up up there and
[00:03:54] gets shot at through the doors. And
[00:03:56] initially we were told that that
[00:03:58] happened after the shooting, then it was
[00:04:00] revised to before, then it was during
[00:04:03] the shooting. So there's some security
[00:04:05] guard stuff in the hallway. But what the
[00:04:07] public found like experienced was
[00:04:09] they're at this Jason Aldine concert.
[00:04:11] And at 10:05 in the evening, a couple of
[00:04:15] distinct pops ring out over the concert
[00:04:18] that we have on on footage. We have
[00:04:19] footage of all sorts of around this
[00:04:21] story. And you can hear the pops,
[00:04:23] individual like pop pop pop pop pop pop
[00:04:26] pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop
[00:04:26] pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop kind of
[00:04:26] things and then about a minute later at
[00:04:30] uh 10:06 automatic gunfire just starts
[00:04:33] cracking in the night and people start
[00:04:35] to run they start to scatter.
[00:04:37] >> Uh Jason Aldine still doesn't realize
[00:04:39] what's going on because the concert is
[00:04:40] super loud and he's got his monitors
[00:04:42] going and all this stuff
[00:04:43] >> even though most of the eyewitnesses
[00:04:45] that were there
[00:04:46] >> claimed that the first shots sounded
[00:04:49] like they were coming from the stage.
[00:04:50] They sounded like they were very close
[00:04:52] is what witnesses described. They sound
[00:04:53] like they were coming at them like from
[00:04:55] right there at the stage. Um,
[00:04:58] by the second volley, which came a
[00:05:00] little less than a minute later, Jason
[00:05:02] Aldine realizes he gets pulled off stage
[00:05:04] and everyone's scattering. And then over
[00:05:07] the course of about 9 10 9 to 10
[00:05:09] minutes, 12 vols of automatic gunfire uh
[00:05:13] ring out in the night and are captured
[00:05:15] on body cams. They're captured on cell
[00:05:16] phone videos. They're captured on, you
[00:05:18] know, various recordings and you can
[00:05:20] hear them all across the Las Vegas
[00:05:22] strip.
[00:05:23] And then the official story is that
[00:05:26] Steven Paddock barricaded in his room up
[00:05:28] on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay
[00:05:30] who he's knocked out a window so he can
[00:05:32] shoot through the window. He's actually
[00:05:33] knocked out a window in both of these
[00:05:35] suites and he's running back and forth
[00:05:36] between them and shooting his
[00:05:38] bolt-action rifle and then shooting his
[00:05:40] bump stock ARs and spraying this concert
[00:05:44] with with bullets. and he allegedly shot
[00:05:47] more than a thousand rounds from that
[00:05:48] room. Um, used multiple ARs, even though
[00:05:53] one would have done the trick. And then
[00:05:58] allegedly he just got bored or sick of
[00:06:00] it and just committed suicide with no
[00:06:03] cops at the door, with no reason to
[00:06:05] stop, with no real explanation for why
[00:06:09] he stopped. He just stopped, shot
[00:06:11] himself in the head with a revolver, and
[00:06:13] that was the end of the shooting. And no
[00:06:16] other shooting took place. No other
[00:06:17] gunmen were there. No other things
[00:06:20] happened that night at all. That's the
[00:06:21] official narrative. Just this one guy
[00:06:23] with no motive, no manifesto, no
[00:06:27] explanation of why. Just did that and
[00:06:30] then checked out.
[00:06:32] In the meantime,
[00:06:34] the concerts tripping out. There's all
[00:06:36] sorts of other things that are
[00:06:37] definitively happening all across the
[00:06:38] Las Vegas strip in the air, at the
[00:06:40] airport, at the other casinos, which
[00:06:42] we'll get to. But um the police response
[00:06:45] to the alleged lone gunman is they this
[00:06:50] security guard that had come up and had
[00:06:52] gotten shot at, he had discovered that
[00:06:54] the door to that floor from the
[00:06:57] stairwell was bolted shut. Um, and so he
[00:07:00] had gone down, gone up the es the
[00:07:02] elevator and then at that point had
[00:07:04] gotten shot at through the door. Um, we
[00:07:07] found out that there was cameras kind of
[00:07:08] set up outside the room. So someone had
[00:07:10] visibility outside the room.
[00:07:12] But so the cops get up into the
[00:07:14] stairwell right by this guy's room and
[00:07:16] they are within a minute or two of the
[00:07:19] shooting ending. They're like outside
[00:07:20] the stairwell door that's barricaded and
[00:07:23] they're just waiting there. and they
[00:07:24] wind up waiting there allegedly for SWAT
[00:07:26] teams to show up so that they can bust
[00:07:28] through that door. And then over an hour
[00:07:31] after the shooting has ended and he's
[00:07:33] allegedly shot himself, finally the SWAT
[00:07:36] has the SWAT, which we'll get to, has
[00:07:39] busted through the stairwell door and
[00:07:40] they're on the floor and then they
[00:07:42] breach his hotel room door. Um, [snorts]
[00:07:45] and we have one body cam of this that is
[00:07:48] very suspicious and he's dead there on
[00:07:50] the floor and they secure the room and
[00:07:52] it's all over.
[00:07:55] But [clears throat]
[00:07:58] immediately the public was completely
[00:08:01] not with that explanation because
[00:08:03] everyone that had been there had
[00:08:04] experienced something completely
[00:08:06] different than that and everything that
[00:08:07] was coming out from the from the LVMPD
[00:08:10] um
[00:08:12] Las Vegas Metro Police Department. They
[00:08:15] had changed their their stories had been
[00:08:17] strange during the night. uh things that
[00:08:20] had obviously happened, things that were
[00:08:21] recorded on body cams, things that had
[00:08:24] been witnessed all across the Las Vegas
[00:08:26] strip were completely absent from what
[00:08:27] they were telling people had happened.
[00:08:29] And every single person that was there
[00:08:31] had heard the gunfire that was clearly
[00:08:34] not the firing of AR platforms. It was
[00:08:37] clearly some sort of, and I'm not the
[00:08:39] weapons expert on this, but there's lots
[00:08:41] of them there. It was a country music
[00:08:42] concert, and the consensus was that it
[00:08:44] sounded like beltfed machine guns of
[00:08:46] some sort. And when you watch the video
[00:08:48] footage, which is available online, and
[00:08:51] we'll talk about some cool resources
[00:08:52] online, the video footage very clearly
[00:08:55] can be heard that this is something
[00:08:57] else. But you can also hear that there's
[00:08:59] multiple guns being fired at once. And
[00:09:01] you can hear that some of these machine
[00:09:03] guns are in different locations while
[00:09:05] they're simultaneously firing just from
[00:09:07] the way they sound. You can hear lots of
[00:09:10] different stuff going on just in those
[00:09:11] 12 vols of automatic gunfire.
[00:09:14] But just to sort of tease
[00:09:17] out the audience on how many things
[00:09:19] we're going to have to talk about to get
[00:09:20] to the bottom of this. [snorts]
[00:09:23] We have, for example, at midnight, more
[00:09:26] than like an hour and a half after this
[00:09:28] guy's allegedly shot himself in the
[00:09:29] head, we have at least nine different
[00:09:32] police body cams that are public on the
[00:09:34] internet right now that you can go watch
[00:09:36] where all nine of them at 11:59, I think
[00:09:39] it is. All of them in different
[00:09:41] locations around the strip record like
[00:09:43] seven to five volleys of automatic
[00:09:45] gunfire somewhere down by the Bellagio.
[00:09:48] And I say 7 to five because some of
[00:09:50] their body cams capture the later five
[00:09:53] and some of them capture an earlier two
[00:09:55] as well. And in between there you can
[00:09:57] hear the police dispatch saying we got
[00:10:00] reports of shots of Bellagio, shots of
[00:10:02] Bellagio. And then all throughout the
[00:10:04] night there's all sorts of body cam
[00:10:05] footage talking about we've got a
[00:10:07] suspect at Tropicana. We got a gunman at
[00:10:09] Tropicana. We've got someone at
[00:10:10] Bellagio. We got someone in the Mirage.
[00:10:12] There's basically something is happening
[00:10:14] at various times throughout the night.
[00:10:16] Generally in a northward pattern at
[00:10:19] almost every casino on the strip. Um,
[00:10:22] some of them are far more corroborated
[00:10:23] than others. Like the Bellagio, there is
[00:10:25] dozens and dozens and dozens of 911
[00:10:28] calls. There's body cam footage with
[00:10:30] stuff like I just described. So, there's
[00:10:33] stuff happening in the casinos that
[00:10:34] clearly doesn't line up with one lone
[00:10:37] gunman in one window that's been dead
[00:10:39] for an hour, two hours by the time these
[00:10:41] reports are coming in. Then there's
[00:10:44] stuff that happens at the airport. Um,
[00:10:46] and there's lots of stuff that happens
[00:10:48] at the airport, but the simple tease of
[00:10:50] that is that we actually have the audio
[00:10:53] from the control tower, air traffic
[00:10:55] control,
[00:10:57] saying um I think it's about an hour.
[00:11:00] What would it be?
[00:11:01] It's not an hour. It's at 10:35. So
[00:11:04] Paddock allegedly kills himself
[00:11:08] somewhere around 10:16 to 10:18. At
[00:11:11] 10:35, air traffic control says we have
[00:11:13] a active shooter on the runway.
[00:11:15] >> On the runway.
[00:11:16] >> On the runway. And we have a really
[00:11:18] >> on the airport runway at the main. Yeah.
[00:11:22] Although they renamed it, but yeah. At
[00:11:23] McCarron Airport, the Harry Reed.
[00:11:24] >> Yeah. Which is right there next to the
[00:11:26] concert. It's like, you know, two
[00:11:27] blocks.
[00:11:27] >> That's an intown airport. But it's a
[00:11:29] huge airport. huge airport and at the
[00:11:31] time there is a police helicopter
[00:11:33] circling over top looking at trying to
[00:11:35] figure out what's going on at the
[00:11:36] airport cuz something big happened at
[00:11:38] the airport. But the footage that we
[00:11:40] eventually that journalists got released
[00:11:43] feels very doctorred because it it's
[00:11:46] it's pointing at one weird angle and
[00:11:47] it's spiraling around. So you only get
[00:11:49] very small glimpses of what's on the
[00:11:51] runway, but you do see several groups of
[00:11:53] people walking around on the runway and
[00:11:56] it's in infrared. And there's a couple
[00:11:58] of these groups of people that look like
[00:12:00] they're wearing black things. They have
[00:12:02] black things which in infrared is steel
[00:12:05] is, you know, no heat. So guns, body
[00:12:07] armor, those sorts of things would show
[00:12:09] up in black. So there's visual of stuff
[00:12:11] happening on the runway. There's air
[00:12:13] traffic control saying we have an active
[00:12:15] shooter on the runway. And then one
[00:12:16] minute later, someone comes onto that
[00:12:18] radio call and says, "I want you to kill
[00:12:19] the lights on this runway and that
[00:12:21] runway."
[00:12:23] >> Kill the lights.
[00:12:23] >> Yeah. Turn off the lights. And they
[00:12:24] turned off the lights at the airport for
[00:12:26] a certain amount of time. We don't know
[00:12:27] exactly.
[00:12:27] >> And that's recorded how long it's
[00:12:28] recorded. It's on audio.
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[00:13:50] If you thought you had a man with a gun
[00:13:53] somewhere at night, why would you turn
[00:13:55] off the lights? Well, the only reason
[00:13:57] that I would think of, the most obvious
[00:13:59] reason that I would think of is because
[00:14:01] you also are doing things there that
[00:14:03] will benefit you to have the darkness to
[00:14:06] get away or to finish what you're doing
[00:14:09] or something. Um, and we're going to
[00:14:11] come back to all that because there's
[00:14:13] what we were told happened and then
[00:14:15] there's what we have evidence did happen
[00:14:18] and then there's theories of how could
[00:14:21] you possibly explain all of that in a
[00:14:24] rational way that would actually fit it
[00:14:26] all together because right now the
[00:14:28] public has this experience with Charlie
[00:14:30] Kirk's assassination unfortunately where
[00:14:34] when a crime is committed obviously the
[00:14:36] actual explanation will explain all the
[00:14:38] facts.
[00:14:40] Some of them might be in weird
[00:14:41] coincidences. Some of them might just be
[00:14:43] crazy circumstances,
[00:14:46] but the actual explanation of what
[00:14:48] really did happen really does explain
[00:14:50] every single fact about a situation,
[00:14:52] right? Like that's just the nature of
[00:14:53] reality. You know what I mean?
[00:14:55] >> When you know the real explanation,
[00:14:57] everything fits. Um, and it can be
[00:15:00] bizarre. It can be anomalous sometimes,
[00:15:03] but it has to be that that real
[00:15:06] explanation will suddenly click into
[00:15:08] place. And
[00:15:09] >> in other words, the facts have to drive
[00:15:12] the explanation rather than the
[00:15:13] explanation driving the facts.
[00:15:15] >> Bingo. And so when it comes to Vegas,
[00:15:18] there's actually after citizens,
[00:15:21] journalists, media pushed so hard, they
[00:15:24] sued, they they went through years of
[00:15:26] fighting to get the most basic stuff
[00:15:28] released like autopsies, uh, body cam
[00:15:32] footage, audios, um, basic reports
[00:15:36] about, you know, police reports and such
[00:15:38] about what had happened, things that
[00:15:40] very much should have been public and
[00:15:42] forthcoming that weren't. Um, and they
[00:15:44] had to sue the LVMPD. They had to sue
[00:15:46] the coroner personally in order to get
[00:15:48] the autopsy of Stephen Paddock released.
[00:15:51] Um, I think he eventually wound up
[00:15:53] paying like $32,000 or something like
[00:15:55] that. And so after all that stuff got
[00:15:58] released, we actually have quite a bit
[00:16:00] like a huge body of evidence. It would
[00:16:03] take the average person months to
[00:16:05] acquaint themselves with all of this
[00:16:06] stuff. Um, which is why I gave that
[00:16:09] disclaimer at the start that I wasn't
[00:16:10] there and I wasn't one of the
[00:16:12] researchers at the start and I had to
[00:16:14] try to like become acquainted with the
[00:16:16] story after the fact, which is a
[00:16:18] monumental task. Um, and so I'm leaning
[00:16:20] on the shoulders of all these people
[00:16:22] that did all this incredible work to try
[00:16:24] to uncover this and then to theorize
[00:16:26] about what really happened.
[00:16:27] >> Um, and there's still a certain amount
[00:16:30] you're never going to get back when you
[00:16:31] look backwards at these kinds of things
[00:16:32] because so much gets covered up. That's
[00:16:34] right. so much requires you to have been
[00:16:36] there or to talk to the witnesses,
[00:16:38] whatever it is. And
[00:16:39] >> surprise, a number of the witnesses that
[00:16:41] were most vocal about the fact that
[00:16:43] there was more than one shooter actually
[00:16:44] died. Strange deaths in the weeks
[00:16:47] following, like people that were taking
[00:16:49] to Twitter or uh uh Facebook and being
[00:16:53] very vocal about their testimony that
[00:16:54] no, I guarantee you it was more than one
[00:16:56] shooter. I know it was more than one
[00:16:57] shooter. multiple different people that
[00:16:59] were doing that died in things like car
[00:17:01] crashes or of like uh weird medical
[00:17:04] conditions actually.
[00:17:05] >> Yeah. So um I don't know the number of
[00:17:07] exactly how many um because those are
[00:17:09] harder to trace down and confirm, but I
[00:17:11] know for a fact like for example there
[00:17:13] was a couple that uh died in a car wreck
[00:17:16] um that had been there and had survived
[00:17:18] and that had been the I think it was the
[00:17:20] husband that had been pretty vocal
[00:17:21] online about how there was more than one
[00:17:22] shooter and they're they're both in a
[00:17:25] car wreck and they die. Um, there's
[00:17:26] another woman that
[00:17:29] uh had been extremely vocal and had one
[00:17:30] of the most sort of viral multiple
[00:17:32] shooter testimonies that um I think that
[00:17:34] she died of a health thing. One of them
[00:17:37] one of them died of like a a random like
[00:17:40] kind of robbery shooting kind of thing.
[00:17:42] And and those ones are those things are
[00:17:44] harder and harder to uh confirm because
[00:17:49] there's not as much reporting about a
[00:17:50] single random person's death. Sort of
[00:17:52] like a a nobody, so to speak. And by
[00:17:55] then the apparent coverup was in very
[00:17:58] much full swing, but it's pretty well
[00:18:00] confirmed that at least a fair at least
[00:18:03] a handful of survivors that were vocal
[00:18:06] about the story being wrong happened to
[00:18:09] die. And maybe that's just all
[00:18:10] coincidences, but um there's no
[00:18:14] coincidental explanation for the number
[00:18:16] of things that don't fit that narrative
[00:18:20] that night.
[00:18:21] And so now we've kind of covered the
[00:18:26] official narrative, lone gunman, no
[00:18:29] explanation. And that is their official
[00:18:31] explanation is that there was no why.
[00:18:32] They never figured out why. And that it
[00:18:35] ended by, you know, 1016 or 10:18 and
[00:18:40] that was it and nothing else is true.
[00:18:43] So
[00:18:44] after the fact, I'm come to this story
[00:18:47] trying to learn about it and I spend a
[00:18:49] number of days digging through various
[00:18:51] people's documentaries and various
[00:18:52] people's YouTube channels and various
[00:18:53] people's reporting about it. Uh sifting
[00:18:56] through kind of all the old material and
[00:18:57] I wind up on I I stumble across this
[00:18:59] website called vegasshootingmap.com.
[00:19:02] And I don't know who made
[00:19:03] vegshooting.com, but whoever they are,
[00:19:05] they are a hero cuz what they did is
[00:19:07] they made a website using Google's map
[00:19:10] tools to build a archived map that is
[00:19:15] actually overlaid over Google Maps that
[00:19:17] has little pins for every single piece
[00:19:19] of original documented, not literally
[00:19:21] every piece, but hundreds and hundreds
[00:19:23] of 911 calls actually sourced. click it
[00:19:26] and then you're at the 911 call
[00:19:28] listening to the audio timestamped out
[00:19:30] for when the first volley is, when the
[00:19:31] second volley is, when the third volley
[00:19:32] is, or it's a reported shooting at
[00:19:34] Tropicana and you can listen to the the
[00:19:36] audio of this 911 call and it's so it's
[00:19:38] like this invaluable resource of calls
[00:19:41] and autopsies, uh the death reports, um
[00:19:44] police body cam footage, cell phone
[00:19:46] videos. I don't know who made it.
[00:19:47] >> I mean, that is an enormous task.
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[00:21:00] >> Yeah. The amount of effort that went
[00:21:01] into making it might have been multiple
[00:21:02] people. Um and I've asked around a
[00:21:04] little bit and I've never gotten an
[00:21:05] answer as to who made it.
[00:21:06] >> Can you say the name of the site again
[00:21:07] in case people?
[00:21:07] >> Vegas shootingmap.com.
[00:21:09] >> Vegas shooting mapap. Now, whenever I
[00:21:10] type veg into my web browser, it
[00:21:13] suggests Vegas shooting map because I've
[00:21:15] been there so many times. Um, [snorts]
[00:21:17] and so for me, when I stumbled across
[00:21:19] that, that's a gold mine because any
[00:21:22] story that's been covered up, any story
[00:21:24] that you you suspect foul play in the
[00:21:27] reporting or in the me mainstream kind
[00:21:29] of narrative, the first thing you have
[00:21:30] to do is hone in on what are the
[00:21:32] documented primary source facts that we
[00:21:35] can read and understand and see and
[00:21:37] hear. And
[00:21:40] so then I just started sifting through
[00:21:41] and I started watching body cams and I
[00:21:42] started listening to 911 calls and I
[00:21:44] started re piecing it together for
[00:21:45] myself because I found there's a number
[00:21:47] of really great reporters that I'll
[00:21:49] credit throughout here like John Coen
[00:21:51] and Jason Goodman and Mindy Robinson and
[00:21:53] um and yourself. You did some on it too.
[00:21:55] Um Alex Jones did some on it.
[00:21:56] >> I got nothing but it didn't smell right.
[00:21:58] >> Well, you at least spoke up. You at
[00:22:00] least were someone that was in that
[00:22:01] mainstream media space that was not
[00:22:03] buying it because it was just it stank.
[00:22:07] And so there's all these people that
[00:22:08] have made media that synthesizes it and
[00:22:10] made media that speculates and takes it
[00:22:12] much much further, especially under the
[00:22:14] Saudi angle that we'll talk about. Um,
[00:22:16] but for me, I was like, I need to start
[00:22:19] with understanding the information and
[00:22:20] see if I can arrive at a similar factual
[00:22:24] understanding of like when I look at the
[00:22:26] original evidence without these
[00:22:27] narratives on it, do I arrive at a
[00:22:29] similar conclusion? And immediately it's
[00:22:31] it only takes you like five clicks on
[00:22:34] random pieces of evidence on that map to
[00:22:36] realize that it's clearly not a lone
[00:22:37] gunman in the Mandalay Bay because how
[00:22:39] would I have this massive cluster of 911
[00:22:42] calls coming from the Bellagio which is
[00:22:44] like I don't know like half a mile to a
[00:22:46] mile up the strip. It's like a giant
[00:22:48] block and a half. If you've ever been to
[00:22:49] Vegas, it's Vegas is a crazy place of
[00:22:52] gigantic monolithic buildings of sin
[00:22:56] that it it stretches on and on and on.
[00:22:58] And the Bellagio is way up on the
[00:23:00] northern end of the strip and the
[00:23:01] Mandandalay Bay is the southernmost
[00:23:03] building. And most of these calls come
[00:23:05] in an hour and more after Paddock has
[00:23:08] allegedly killed himself. And we're
[00:23:09] talking like people that work there.
[00:23:12] We're talking security guards. We're
[00:23:14] talking uh victims, people alleging that
[00:23:16] they've seen the shooter, describing the
[00:23:18] shooter, and it happens in multiple
[00:23:20] waves. And then a lot of them are
[00:23:21] clustered around, for example, those
[00:23:23] nine body cams that capture audio of
[00:23:26] multiple bursts of automatic fire while
[00:23:29] we're getting 911 calls from the
[00:23:30] Bellagio saying that there's active
[00:23:32] shooters at the Bellagio while the
[00:23:34] police dispatcher is saying we've got a
[00:23:35] shooter at the Bellagio. So when you dig
[00:23:39] into this primary source evidence, you
[00:23:41] very quickly realize that this is not
[00:23:44] just Paddock. It's not a lone gunman.
[00:23:46] And so once I familiarized myself with
[00:23:48] that, then I expanded out to like, okay,
[00:23:50] so then what did the people that did all
[00:23:51] this work, what did they conclude? What
[00:23:53] was their understanding of this evidence
[00:23:55] and where did they take a possible
[00:23:57] explanation? And that's where it gets
[00:23:59] really interesting and we don't know for
[00:24:01] sure, but uh but I think there's
[00:24:04] actually a pretty a pretty solid lead.
[00:24:07] Um and whatever it is, it's still at
[00:24:10] play in the modern the modern
[00:24:12] information space. Um
[00:24:15] because anytime you have one of these
[00:24:18] shootings or you know false flag events
[00:24:21] or anything that gets covered up on this
[00:24:23] scale, right?
[00:24:25] If you buy the mainstream narrative,
[00:24:28] all bets are off. You know, there's no
[00:24:29] facts there. There's no understanding of
[00:24:31] reality there. If you buy the mainstream
[00:24:32] narrative about 911, you have no level
[00:24:35] of understanding of even how many
[00:24:36] buildings fell or why they fell. Like,
[00:24:38] let alone who could have, you know,
[00:24:40] brought these towers down the way they
[00:24:41] came down. who could have, you know,
[00:24:43] guarded these hijackers the way that
[00:24:45] they were guarded all the way there,
[00:24:47] funded it, etc. But, um, once you
[00:24:52] realize that the mainstream narrative on
[00:24:54] one of these events is for sure not the
[00:24:56] whole story,
[00:24:58] then you actually open up to a whole
[00:25:00] world of uh, almost any explanation is
[00:25:04] possible, right? It's if it's a shooting
[00:25:06] and you don't even know who perpetrated
[00:25:08] it and you don't even know how many
[00:25:09] shooters there were. You don't even
[00:25:10] really know what guns were used and
[00:25:12] there's no forthcoming information of
[00:25:14] the authorities. Well, then journalists
[00:25:16] have a monumental task ahead of them,
[00:25:18] right? To a uncover the evidence and b
[00:25:21] try to fit any possible motive and
[00:25:24] perpetrator to the crime. And I think
[00:25:26] that's the most interesting question in
[00:25:27] the Las Vegas one in my mind is who has
[00:25:31] the motive to do such a horrible thing?
[00:25:34] Right.
[00:25:36] Because
[00:25:39] um well it depends what the goal was
[00:25:42] exactly like why are we doing this?
[00:25:44] Because if it's lone gunman paddock I
[00:25:46] mean a he can't do the things that we
[00:25:47] actually have evidence happened but like
[00:25:49] even if it's just a lone gunman why are
[00:25:50] you shooting down into a crowd of people
[00:25:52] even even a crazed shooter has a motive
[00:25:54] and you can trace that through their
[00:25:55] life.
[00:25:56] >> But when you realize that well no that's
[00:25:58] not all that happened. I mean, there was
[00:26:00] spraying of bullets down into this
[00:26:02] crowd, but then there was shootings
[00:26:04] happening at all these other hotels, at
[00:26:06] least at some of them. Even if some of
[00:26:08] these reports are fake, they can't all
[00:26:09] be fake. And then there's things
[00:26:11] happening at the airport that are that
[00:26:13] are strange that there's some shooting
[00:26:14] happening at the airport. So, it's like,
[00:26:16] are we is this a gang war between like
[00:26:19] the Italian mob and the Jewish mob? Is
[00:26:21] this a is this a CIA operation that went
[00:26:24] wrong? is like a Jason Bourne movie that
[00:26:26] then they're covering up the tracks of
[00:26:27] like Jason Bourne's like killing spree
[00:26:30] is this like a MSAD like operation and
[00:26:35] any of those things would need to fit
[00:26:37] the facts right and you can kind of try
[00:26:41] to like in lie of enough facts you can
[00:26:44] always try to fit you know the right you
[00:26:46] can try to fit a perpetrator to the
[00:26:47] facts and sort of invent explanations
[00:26:49] that will work but when the crime for
[00:26:52] for me what kind of kept sticking in my
[00:26:54] mind is how heinous
[00:26:57] the crime against these festival goers
[00:26:59] was that just did not seem to match the
[00:27:02] other stuff that was happening that
[00:27:04] night that was that because we don't
[00:27:06] have random women like shot in the face
[00:27:10] in the Tropicana and in New York New
[00:27:12] York and in the Bellagio at least we
[00:27:15] don't know of that if that happened it
[00:27:17] was all covered up there was shooting
[00:27:19] reported in all those places all these
[00:27:21] other hotels all down the strip at the
[00:27:23] airport and everything. And there are
[00:27:25] victims that are dead in other places.
[00:27:27] Mostly there's like over near the
[00:27:29] airport and kind of in a few hotels kind
[00:27:31] of in the direction of the airport.
[00:27:33] Couple down by the Tropicana who are
[00:27:35] dead.
[00:27:36] >> Yeah, it's and you have to sort through
[00:27:38] it really sift through it really
[00:27:39] carefully because some of them it could
[00:27:40] have I think were were confirmed to be
[00:27:43] festival goers that were hit and injured
[00:27:44] and escaping and then died of their
[00:27:47] injuries further out. And so, uh, they
[00:27:50] can be represented as having died like,
[00:27:52] you know, over there when technically
[00:27:53] they were shot at the festival, but not
[00:27:55] all of them. Um, and even at the
[00:27:57] festival, um, there's most of the deaths
[00:28:00] happen right in the middle of the
[00:28:01] festival grounds, but there's a a
[00:28:03] cluster of, uh, about six bodies that
[00:28:06] died at the far norththeastern side of
[00:28:09] the festival grounds. So, the opposite
[00:28:11] side of the Mandalay Bay where the
[00:28:12] shooter allegedly was. And they were
[00:28:14] across a barrier. They were on the other
[00:28:15] side of a barrier that obscured line of
[00:28:17] sight. So they were not visible to the
[00:28:19] Mandalay Bay and there's a cluster of
[00:28:20] four of them along a fence line there
[00:28:22] and then two in a parking lot like right
[00:28:23] next door that died right there that
[00:28:25] very much look like they were shot right
[00:28:27] there. Not that they escaped.
[00:28:28] >> And that would that be for a He was
[00:28:30] shooting 223 primarily but also 308.
[00:28:33] >> Yeah, they had multiple calibers in the
[00:28:34] room.
[00:28:35] >> Would that be out of range for the gun?
[00:28:38] >> Hey, I'm not the gun guy, but it
[00:28:40] certainly is there's there's no world
[00:28:42] where that's the shots that were taken.
[00:28:43] Some of the some of the rifles he
[00:28:44] allegedly shot with didn't even have
[00:28:46] scopes on them. He had he had rifles
[00:28:48] that did have scopes, but he also had
[00:28:49] rifles that didn't have scopes, and he
[00:28:51] had rifles that had bump stocks, and he
[00:28:52] had some rifles that didn't have bump
[00:28:54] stocks. And they alleged, the official
[00:28:57] story is that he switched back and forth
[00:28:59] between different rifles. And some of
[00:29:00] them he reloaded, and some of them he
[00:29:01] didn't. And some of them had scopes and
[00:29:03] some of them didn't. And he fired some
[00:29:05] of the ones that didn't have scopes at
[00:29:06] this massive range down into this crowd.
[00:29:08] Um, and we have a video from a police
[00:29:10] body cam right after the shooting,
[00:29:12] walking through this crowd with all this
[00:29:14] tragedy around them. and he's talking to
[00:29:16] someone, whether it's a medic or I'm not
[00:29:18] sure exactly who he's talking to, but
[00:29:20] they're commenting back and forth in a
[00:29:21] conversation about how many direct like
[00:29:23] center head shot there are, how many
[00:29:25] people like seem to have been executed.
[00:29:27] And the people in the crowd, almost all
[00:29:30] of them believe that there were shooters
[00:29:32] on the ground, that there were shooters
[00:29:33] coming into the into the event venue
[00:29:35] from the entrances and shooting into the
[00:29:37] crowd from the ground. And then
[00:29:39] journalists picked up on this and
[00:29:40] started researching it. And I believe
[00:29:42] John Coen did a lot of work on getting
[00:29:44] the autopsy data actually released and
[00:29:46] then analyzing and realizing that a
[00:29:47] bunch of these people were shot at
[00:29:49] parallel to ground trajectories, meaning
[00:29:51] that the shooter would have to be on the
[00:29:53] ground. Cuz if you're up in a hotel
[00:29:54] balcon, like in a hotel window at 32nd
[00:29:56] floor, the bullets will hit the ground.
[00:29:58] They'll be coming down. And there are a
[00:30:00] lot of people that were shot at that
[00:30:01] angle, and we'll talk about helicopters
[00:30:03] in a second,
[00:30:04] >> but there are a number of people that
[00:30:05] were shot parallel to the ground. And
[00:30:07] it's like, were they all bullets that
[00:30:09] ricocheted off the ground? and then like
[00:30:10] you know then went off and hit someone
[00:30:12] at a near parallel to ground angle. I
[00:30:15] doubt it. Then there was autopsies found
[00:30:17] where people were shot directly down
[00:30:18] from above like straight down through
[00:30:21] them. Um and so as researchers started
[00:30:24] to pull on these various threats
[00:30:26] >> like through the top of the head
[00:30:27] >> like through the like from the air above
[00:30:29] them and it didn't take like it didn't
[00:30:33] take until those autopsies came out. It
[00:30:35] was the very first day that people were
[00:30:37] already alleging that they believed
[00:30:38] there was helicopters shooting at them.
[00:30:39] And there's helicopters in the videos.
[00:30:41] You can see the helicopters in the
[00:30:42] videos. And the witnesses talk about
[00:30:44] helicopters having been there in the
[00:30:45] air. And a lot of them say that they
[00:30:47] suspect that the helicopters were
[00:30:48] shooting, that they felt like the
[00:30:49] helicopters were shooting at them. But
[00:30:52] then when you read the official story,
[00:30:54] the police reports, no mention of
[00:30:56] helicopters at all. None of that at all.
[00:30:58] It's just the lone gunman. And then when
[00:30:59] you look at the flight radar data from
[00:31:01] that night, there are a lot of
[00:31:03] suspicious helicopters that take off and
[00:31:06] land from and at the two helicopter
[00:31:08] operators in the airport there. Um,
[00:31:10] Sundance and uh,
[00:31:14] uh, I'm blanking on the one that
[00:31:15] Maverick. Sundance and Maverick.
[00:31:18] But there's also helicopters. John
[00:31:21] Cullen. Do you know who John Cullen is?
[00:31:23] >> John Cullen.
[00:31:24] >> Yeah. We're going to we're going to
[00:31:25] reference John Cullen's work a lot
[00:31:26] tonight cuz he's this like like deeply
[00:31:29] autistic type of researcher that just
[00:31:31] has a YouTube channel that very few
[00:31:32] people have ever heard of, but he he's
[00:31:34] the sheriff with like the glasses and
[00:31:36] and he's like a very funny guy, but he
[00:31:38] just like went after this story for
[00:31:40] years and years. And he's he's the type
[00:31:42] of detail oriented person that just that
[00:31:45] that would get the baseline. Like I'll
[00:31:47] watch every Sunday's flight patterns for
[00:31:49] 6 weeks so I can get the baseline
[00:31:50] [laughter] and then I'll track every
[00:31:51] single flight that went out this night
[00:31:53] so that I can understand what's in the
[00:31:54] air and then I'll look at every single
[00:31:56] footage and orient it on the map and get
[00:31:58] the get the lay with the time and then
[00:32:00] I'll know that like I know if I'm seeing
[00:32:02] a flight that's on the flight patterns
[00:32:03] or if it's this thing in the air that
[00:32:05] we're seeing in this footage is not
[00:32:06] documented. and and he went through all
[00:32:09] this work extensively to very thoroughly
[00:32:11] prove that there are many birds in the
[00:32:12] air that night that are not on the
[00:32:14] flight radar at all and they seem to
[00:32:16] have flashing coming from them. Um they
[00:32:18] they very much seem to be involved in
[00:32:21] what's going on. And so there's a lot of
[00:32:23] videos that are on that map I was
[00:32:25] referring to that as you watch, some of
[00:32:27] them are body cam and some of them are
[00:32:29] cell phone videos. And you can see these
[00:32:31] helicopters flying around behind the
[00:32:33] Mandalay Bay and back around and around
[00:32:35] behind the Mandandalay Bay and back
[00:32:36] around and you can see little flashes
[00:32:38] coming peppering kind of the night sky
[00:32:41] from in between the two hotels that are
[00:32:43] there clearly out in the sky um as
[00:32:46] though there was gunfire coming from an
[00:32:48] airborne craft of some sort.
[00:32:51] And so
[00:32:53] that got a lot of people thinking of who
[00:32:56] would that be and how would that happen
[00:32:58] and how would you get helicopters into
[00:33:00] one of the most busy metropolitan
[00:33:02] airspaces in the world that's like this
[00:33:05] is an extremely surveiled place. Um I
[00:33:07] mean not to mention the surveillance
[00:33:08] that we should have of all these
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[00:34:11] >> Las Vegas like leaks the world for CCTV,
[00:34:15] doesn't it?
[00:34:15] >> Yeah. And so none of that ever came out.
[00:34:17] None of it ever came out. So we have So
[00:34:19] here's the thing,
[00:34:21] >> which you know more about than me. MGM
[00:34:23] owns like, you know, 80% of the strip or
[00:34:26] whatever. I'm exaggerating, I think, but
[00:34:27] it's MGM owns a huge number of these
[00:34:29] casinos that are not named MGM.
[00:34:32] And
[00:34:34] there is footage of this occurring in
[00:34:36] one instance, but there's testimony of
[00:34:38] it happening left and right of a hotel
[00:34:41] employee that was working that night
[00:34:44] that was told that was basically forced
[00:34:46] to sign an NDA that says you're not
[00:34:47] allowed to talk about what happened last
[00:34:48] night. Nothing happened last night. Your
[00:34:50] lips are sealed. And it very much was a
[00:34:53] blanket gag order on all employees of
[00:34:56] these hotels. None of the hotels gave
[00:34:58] out any footage. They all just locked
[00:35:00] everything down. Um, and they even
[00:35:04] fought the police on the story to make
[00:35:06] the story become something that would
[00:35:07] not make them look bad. And an example
[00:35:10] of that is this security guy that I was
[00:35:12] saying got shot at that we're going to
[00:35:13] come back to.
[00:35:14] >> Yes.
[00:35:15] >> I remember this.
[00:35:16] >> Yeah. Uh, Jesus Campos. Jose Campos.
[00:35:18] >> Yes. Jose Campos.
[00:35:19] >> Jose Campos. So he the first version of
[00:35:23] his story was that he came up the door
[00:35:26] was bolted he went down he came up the
[00:35:27] elevator and then it was after the
[00:35:29] shooting had ended he gets shot at
[00:35:31] through this door um and then escapes
[00:35:35] then that didn't really like square for
[00:35:38] whatever reason and the police change
[00:35:39] the story to like oh no actually that
[00:35:42] was 3 minutes before the shooting
[00:35:43] started that he got shot at through the
[00:35:45] door so that must have been why Steven
[00:35:47] Paddock went crazy all at once is
[00:35:48] because he realized he was running out
[00:35:50] time and so they're like that's cool.
[00:35:52] That's our narrative that's going to
[00:35:53] work.
[00:35:54] >> But then MGM was like well f you because
[00:35:56] that makes us look like idiots,
[00:35:58] >> right?
[00:35:58] >> Because then what are we talk what are
[00:36:00] we doing here? Like then we would have
[00:36:01] had advanced notice if our security guy
[00:36:03] got shot at 3 minutes before the
[00:36:04] shooting started. We didn't have any
[00:36:05] response. So like that's not going to
[00:36:06] work. And so MGM actually got mad at the
[00:36:08] police and the police changed their
[00:36:09] story again to be no actually Jesus uh
[00:36:13] Jose Campos got shot at about 40 seconds
[00:36:15] after the shooting started. during the
[00:36:17] shooting volleys is when they that's the
[00:36:19] third and final version of the official
[00:36:21] story of Jose Campos
[00:36:23] and Jose Campos put out a statement that
[00:36:25] was something like I do not contest that
[00:36:29] statement. That was like his official
[00:36:32] statement very much canned and then just
[00:36:34] like poof he was gone
[00:36:37] obviously.
[00:36:38] >> Wait, didn't he wind up in Mexico?
[00:36:40] >> Yeah, there was a thing where he was
[00:36:42] going to test his car to Mexico.
[00:36:44] >> Yeah. I think it was that he was going
[00:36:46] to do a bunch of news stories and he was
[00:36:48] kind of like lined up for a bunch of
[00:36:49] news hits and then he just like
[00:36:51] >> actually he went to Mexico. Who knows?
[00:36:54] But then he got brought back and did
[00:36:55] Ellen is what it was, right?
[00:36:57] >> Yes.
[00:36:57] >> And he got brought back to do Ellen.
[00:36:59] Ellen was sponsored by the casinos
[00:37:01] because you had all the slot machines.
[00:37:02] >> The ultimate deep stater.
[00:37:04] >> So he did one Ellen interview where
[00:37:05] Ellen fed him all of his lines and then
[00:37:07] he disappeared
[00:37:08] >> and that became the narrative for him.
[00:37:10] >> Has he ever emerged to tell a story?
[00:37:12] >> Not that I know of. Um, and to be fair,
[00:37:14] I haven't done enough digging into his
[00:37:15] story yet. There's I mean, to be fair, I
[00:37:17] still I feel like I could spend another
[00:37:19] year digging into this, and I still
[00:37:21] would only be approaching the kind of
[00:37:22] expertise that some of these other guys
[00:37:23] have about it because they did devote
[00:37:25] years and years and years to this. Um,
[00:37:28] and there's just so much to learn and to
[00:37:30] look at because it's such a crazy event
[00:37:32] with so many pieces of evidence. and and
[00:37:36] Campos is this one really interesting
[00:37:37] one that exposes a lot of elements of
[00:37:39] what was going on here in that you had
[00:37:41] the hotel the hotel's interests in their
[00:37:43] reputation, their money, whatever was
[00:37:45] going on. You have the way that hotel
[00:37:47] employees were a part of this thing but
[00:37:49] then had to, you know, represent after
[00:37:51] the thing. You have the police narrative
[00:37:53] involved in his story. And you have a
[00:37:55] really important detail just in that
[00:37:57] like a let's think it through. If the
[00:38:01] sounds that we all hear in those videos,
[00:38:03] this like
[00:38:05] is happening inside of that hotel room
[00:38:07] and you can hear it all across the Las
[00:38:09] Vegas strip. It's like these are
[00:38:11] deafening sounds. Obviously,
[00:38:13] >> if Jose is in the hallway right outside
[00:38:16] of that door, you damn well better
[00:38:18] believe he remembers. If that was
[00:38:21] happening when he got shot at,
[00:38:23] >> someone's opens up with automatic
[00:38:25] weapons. It it resonates.
[00:38:26] >> Yeah. It's not like Campos doesn't
[00:38:28] remember.
[00:38:29] >> Thought there were fireworks. It's not
[00:38:30] like he changed his story cuz he didn't
[00:38:32] know if there was this cacophony of
[00:38:34] automatic gunfire happening across the
[00:38:36] door. Obviously, that is a shifting
[00:38:39] narrative to meet various needs of
[00:38:41] whatever the narrative builders need.
[00:38:43] Um, but the the the nature of him
[00:38:47] getting shot through that door is
[00:38:48] interesting once you start to put away
[00:38:50] the mainstream narrative and just look
[00:38:51] at all the information as it is and try
[00:38:54] to figure out what the hell was this and
[00:38:55] what went on here. and and we'll have to
[00:38:58] kind of rewind at the beginning to
[00:38:59] unpack that because there's a lot of
[00:39:00] facts that we haven't even talked about
[00:39:02] yet that become very important. But
[00:39:05] trying to figure out what happened with
[00:39:07] him and why he got shot through the door
[00:39:08] at that moment and maybe even when he
[00:39:10] did get shot through the door, that's
[00:39:12] interesting because it involves the fact
[00:39:14] that there was cameras rigged up outside
[00:39:16] the door facing into the hallway to
[00:39:18] surveil the hallway for whatever to
[00:39:20] protect whatever was happening inside
[00:39:21] the room. They weren't recording video,
[00:39:23] but they were live. You know what I
[00:39:25] mean? So, so whoever was watching their
[00:39:27] feeds could see the other side could see
[00:39:29] the hallway. And so, as a security guard
[00:39:31] approaches this door whenever he
[00:39:33] approached it, um, I mean, based upon
[00:39:35] the fact that the first testimony was
[00:39:37] that it was not when gunfire was
[00:39:39] happening actively, I would assume that
[00:39:40] he approached the door when there was no
[00:39:42] automatic gunfire happening actively.
[00:39:44] Um, but I don't know. But whoever's in
[00:39:47] the room doing whatever they're doing,
[00:39:49] and it was guaranteed it was definitely
[00:39:50] more than one person, and we can talk
[00:39:52] about the door locks in a minute. they
[00:39:54] see a security guard on these cameras
[00:39:56] and their response is to shoot a round
[00:39:59] of fire through the doorway at him to
[00:40:01] get him to go away um or to kill him,
[00:40:04] you know, whatever.
[00:40:06] >> And that's really weird. That's really
[00:40:08] interesting because
[00:40:11] obviously it implies that whatever's
[00:40:12] happening in the room, you need him to
[00:40:13] not come in. You need him to not knock
[00:40:15] obvious. So obviously there's something
[00:40:16] happening in the room that needs to be
[00:40:18] finished before the heat comes. But like
[00:40:22] we have pretty strong evidence at this
[00:40:24] point that Paddock was dead by then.
[00:40:26] Paddock was not a part of this. And
[00:40:29] whatever was happening in the room, it's
[00:40:31] like what was happening in the room?
[00:40:32] What were you doing that needed to be
[00:40:34] finished before the heat came to that
[00:40:36] room? Because they had taken the time to
[00:40:39] put this tiny little L bracket, this
[00:40:41] little metal L bracket on the stairwell
[00:40:42] door so people couldn't come up the
[00:40:44] stairs onto the floor right next to
[00:40:45] their room. But it was like a little
[00:40:46] Home Depot thing. It was not the kind of
[00:40:48] thing you need the SWAT team to bust
[00:40:49] down. Um, and they'd rigged up these
[00:40:52] cameras.
[00:40:53] And so then it's like like, okay, your
[00:40:55] your brain, if you don't take the
[00:40:56] narrative, the mainstream narrative at
[00:40:58] all, it's like what what is this? Is
[00:40:59] this like a heist? Is this like a casino
[00:41:01] heist or something? Um, which is not
[00:41:02] what I think it was. But it's just if
[00:41:04] you start to ask like what could that be
[00:41:06] that's happening in that room? Is this
[00:41:07] like Oceans 11 and they need to like
[00:41:09] protect part of their heist or something
[00:41:10] until they get away with the jewels?
[00:41:12] It's like maybe that starts to explain a
[00:41:14] piece of this. But that's what I mean by
[00:41:15] like when you look at the original
[00:41:17] evidence and you try to square it with
[00:41:19] like an explanation that fits it all, it
[00:41:21] starts to get pretty fascinating and
[00:41:23] pretty weird. And in order to do that,
[00:41:25] we have to rewind past Campos back to
[00:41:27] the start because we know for a fact
[00:41:30] that Paddock wasn't alone in that room.
[00:41:32] And we know for almost complete certain
[00:41:35] fact that he was dead before any of this
[00:41:37] even happened,
[00:41:38] >> any of the shooting happened.
[00:41:38] >> Yeah. Before any of the shooting
[00:41:39] happened. And just to kind of wet our
[00:41:42] whistle on that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um,
[00:41:44] we don't know it for fact fact, but the
[00:41:46] actual official photo of of um Paddock
[00:41:49] dead in the room like overhead looking
[00:41:51] down at him with the blood stain,
[00:41:53] there's very clearly two blood stains.
[00:41:55] It's very clearly a dry blood stain
[00:41:57] that's been like dried into the carpet
[00:41:59] that is one color and then a fresh like
[00:42:01] glistening red blood stain that is much
[00:42:04] smaller and fresher and redder over top
[00:42:08] of it. And there's blood on his chest in
[00:42:10] that photo for some reason. Although if
[00:42:12] you commit suicide, shoot yourself in
[00:42:15] the head, there's no reason why you
[00:42:16] would have a giant singular blood stain
[00:42:18] on your chest.
[00:42:19] >> No.
[00:42:20] >> Um
[00:42:21] >> and and so really quickly, while we're
[00:42:23] in this room here at that moment, let's
[00:42:25] unpack some of the other things that
[00:42:27] very much just debunk this regular
[00:42:29] narrative that are hard evidence that
[00:42:30] you can view for yourself.
[00:42:33] The SWAT team that they were waiting for
[00:42:35] to breach his room, they never came. Um
[00:42:38] although Las Vegas has one of the
[00:42:40] largest SWAT teams in America, one of
[00:42:41] the largest SWAT teams in the world,
[00:42:43] they never came. The actual team that
[00:42:45] breached his room, we have one body cam
[00:42:47] that shows it and they put out a report
[00:42:48] saying who was in the the breaching
[00:42:50] party, it was one SWAT officer, I think
[00:42:52] it was two K-9 officers whose dogs they
[00:42:54] left back in the cars and then a bunch
[00:42:56] of other police officers that just kind
[00:42:58] of like hodgepodgeed in there. And that
[00:43:00] becomes very important later when you
[00:43:02] start to ask where the were the
[00:43:03] SWAT officers? What were the SWAT doing?
[00:43:06] because they were doing something but
[00:43:08] they didn't they they the story is that
[00:43:10] they're waiting for the SWAT team and
[00:43:11] the mainstream media at first tried to
[00:43:12] run with like this crazy like CNN
[00:43:14] actually has a clip that I can give to
[00:43:16] you where the next day or two days later
[00:43:18] CNN is like tells a fantasy about how
[00:43:20] the SWAT team busted down the door and
[00:43:22] Paddock tried to fight his way through
[00:43:23] them and they had a gun battle and
[00:43:25] Paddock shot one of the SWAT guys in the
[00:43:27] leg and he got out into the hall before
[00:43:29] they neutralized him. Yeah, they just
[00:43:30] like literally made up fantasy on CNN
[00:43:33] live and we I have the recording. I'll
[00:43:35] give it to you. And and obviously that
[00:43:37] none of that happened at all. And we
[00:43:39] know now from eventual release of files,
[00:43:41] documents, and you know, a body cam that
[00:43:45] it was only one SWAT guy and all these
[00:43:47] other police officers. And so we have
[00:43:49] this body cam from officer Bitskco that
[00:43:52] they had to fight to get released. And
[00:43:54] we only have one because they told
[00:43:56] everyone to turn their body cams off.
[00:43:58] And that happened multiple times
[00:43:59] throughout the night. And I've got the
[00:44:00] clips and I can share them with you. Um,
[00:44:02] and they are on that map that I was
[00:44:03] telling people about. so other people
[00:44:04] can go and find them for the for
[00:44:06] themselves too where like a bunch of
[00:44:08] officers are like around about to do
[00:44:10] something and there's a couple instances
[00:44:12] throughout the night where this happens
[00:44:13] where then they kind of are like all
[00:44:14] right body cam's off body cam's off body
[00:44:15] cam's off and they're all going around
[00:44:17] and turning off their body cams and for
[00:44:19] whatever reason I'm not sure if we ever
[00:44:20] found out why it's possible we did Bitco
[00:44:23] didn't turn his off so officer Bitco's
[00:44:26] body cam he's one of the canine officers
[00:44:28] that does exist and we do have body cam
[00:44:30] footage of the breach and they breached
[00:44:32] the door and one of them accidentally
[00:44:34] They shoot three rounds like just
[00:44:37] like they just tripping out. Um [snorts]
[00:44:40] even though the official story is like
[00:44:41] Paddock wasn't alive. He was already
[00:44:42] dead on the ground. He had been dead
[00:44:44] there for an hour. Um there was no
[00:44:46] reason to shoot his rifle, but they were
[00:44:48] just hyped up I guess. So they breach
[00:44:50] the door. Three rounds go off really
[00:44:52] fast, which is kind of a nothing.
[00:44:55] And then they enter the room. And when
[00:44:58] they enter the room, they're looking for
[00:44:59] the window where this guy's shot out of.
[00:45:01] And you can watch it on the body cam.
[00:45:02] And they go to the windows and they pull
[00:45:04] the curtains back and they're like,
[00:45:06] "Nope, I have no broken window. No, it's
[00:45:08] not broken. No, no window." And they
[00:45:10] pull the other curtains back and they're
[00:45:11] looking and they all are like, "There's
[00:45:12] no broken window. There's no no window."
[00:45:15] And they're standing right. So we have
[00:45:16] crime scene photos showing the floor
[00:45:20] with the hammer that he allegedly used
[00:45:21] to break this window open cuz Las Vegas
[00:45:24] has like crazy glass that you can't just
[00:45:25] break. So he allegedly brought this
[00:45:27] special hammer that'll break that glass.
[00:45:29] And we have a photo of that hammer with
[00:45:31] broken glass all over the floor with
[00:45:32] just shell casings. Shell casings. Shell
[00:45:34] casings. Just all because there's a
[00:45:36] thousand shell casings in this
[00:45:37] room at this point. Plus 4,000 unspent
[00:45:40] rounds that he just got bored and didn't
[00:45:42] want to shoot and just checked out. So
[00:45:45] in the photo, we see the the ground next
[00:45:47] to the curtain of the window with the
[00:45:49] hammer with all this broken glass and
[00:45:51] all these shell casings. But in the body
[00:45:54] cam footage of them going into his room
[00:45:56] when that photo should already it should
[00:45:57] already be exactly like the photo shows
[00:45:59] us. They can't find the window and
[00:46:01] they're not stepping on any broken glass
[00:46:03] or any shell casings at all. They're
[00:46:05] looking for it. They can't find it. And
[00:46:06] there's like six officers looking for
[00:46:08] this window.
[00:46:09] >> How long did it take for that body cam
[00:46:10] footage to come out after the shooting?
[00:46:12] >> You know, I don't know exactly, but I
[00:46:14] believe it was months and months and
[00:46:16] months. It might have been a year or
[00:46:17] more.
[00:46:17] >> I think that's right.
[00:46:18] >> Yeah. Right. Because it was never
[00:46:19] supposed to come out. It was never even
[00:46:20] supposed to exist. All coverage, as you
[00:46:22] said at the very outset, all coverage of
[00:46:24] the shooting had just died and was never
[00:46:26] spoken.
[00:46:26] >> Yeah, it lasted like four or five days
[00:46:27] and there's you can see graphs, people
[00:46:29] have kind of charted the number of
[00:46:30] stories about it and it's just like
[00:46:32] everyone's talking about it for two days
[00:46:33] and then just gone, completely gone. And
[00:46:37] then YouTube started putting started
[00:46:40] banning accounts for talking about it.
[00:46:42] Uh,
[00:46:42] >> come on.
[00:46:43] >> All the different social media agencies
[00:46:44] started banning accounts for it. Yeah.
[00:46:46] And I have screenshots of
[00:46:48] >> on what grounds
[00:46:49] >> of things that are because
[00:46:52] um well the grounds was spreading
[00:46:54] dangerous conspiracy theories and
[00:46:55] misinformation. Um but there had
[00:46:58] happened to have been a active shooter
[00:47:00] drill that was done in the area like the
[00:47:03] week before or something like that. The
[00:47:04] day before I think it was the day
[00:47:06] before. And so they've been recruiting
[00:47:08] crisis actors for this active shooter
[00:47:11] drill that was being run in the area,
[00:47:13] which
[00:47:15] you know, if you learn enough about
[00:47:17] these kinds of events, you realize that
[00:47:18] drills are a huge red flag. But I
[00:47:22] believe what did what was done is that
[00:47:25] then they accused these conspiracy
[00:47:27] theorists of basically doing the Sandy
[00:47:29] Hook thing and they they strawmaned the
[00:47:32] the journalism that was happening to say
[00:47:35] you're claiming that no one died and
[00:47:37] that's so evil because you're saying
[00:47:40] that they're all crisis actors and so
[00:47:43] we're going to ban you. And that's not
[00:47:44] what anyone was saying. No one was
[00:47:45] saying that no one died. No one was
[00:47:47] saying that it was all crisis actors,
[00:47:49] but they sort of finagled the one thing
[00:47:51] into the other thing into the other
[00:47:53] thing to say, well, there was an active
[00:47:55] shooter drill, so it was all legit, and
[00:47:56] you're all saying it was fake, which
[00:47:58] they weren't. And so, you're banned. And
[00:48:00] so, a bunch of channels got taken down,
[00:48:01] a bunch of journalists got got uh banned
[00:48:04] off of platforms. Um, and they did their
[00:48:05] best to shut it all down, but people
[00:48:07] didn't stop. People just kept digging
[00:48:09] and digging.
[00:48:10] >> That is crazy.
[00:48:11] >> Yeah. So, they they breach, they can't
[00:48:13] find the window. About a minute later,
[00:48:15] they breach the other room. And this is
[00:48:17] another impossibility with the official
[00:48:20] story. Paddock rents these two suites.
[00:48:22] One is like the master suite on the
[00:48:24] because the those towers, they're kind
[00:48:26] of like these threepronged towers and
[00:48:28] you can rent this suite that's at the
[00:48:29] end of the tower where you have like the
[00:48:31] the 180 degree windows of the whole of
[00:48:33] the tower and he rents the one facing
[00:48:35] out towards this um event.
[00:48:38] >> But he also rented well it's not exactly
[00:48:40] facing towards it's like next to. Then
[00:48:41] he also entered the room right next door
[00:48:43] and he had they're adjoining and so
[00:48:44] there's a door that connects the two.
[00:48:47] And
[00:48:48] the official story is that the windows
[00:48:51] in both rooms were broken out and that
[00:48:53] he was shooting through the one room
[00:48:55] with his bolt-action rifle to try to
[00:48:57] blow up the fuel tanks over at the
[00:48:58] airport and he failed to do so. But he
[00:49:00] he was in the other room shooting his
[00:49:01] bolt-action rifle. Then he was running
[00:49:02] back to the other room with his ARs and
[00:49:05] rapid fire bump stocking with his bump
[00:49:07] stock that never jammed.
[00:49:10] >> [snorts]
[00:49:10] >> Um, that's the official story. But then
[00:49:12] the police get in there and the side
[00:49:14] room is bolted from the other side and
[00:49:17] he's the only one that's there. There's
[00:49:18] no one else in the rooms apparently. And
[00:49:21] the way they say that is because his
[00:49:22] room was bolted from the inside. The
[00:49:24] side room but but the side room was also
[00:49:26] bolted and they had to breach it with
[00:49:27] explosive breaching charges. And it's on
[00:49:29] you can see it on camera.
[00:49:31] And so
[00:49:33] so he was magic is what you're saying.
[00:49:34] >> He was magic, right? Because you can't
[00:49:37] bolt your side room from the other side
[00:49:40] while you're in a mass shooting spree
[00:49:42] and then wind up in your room and shoot
[00:49:44] yourself in the head.
[00:49:46] >> You can't do it. And so there's all
[00:49:48] these little things that
[00:49:49] >> physics intervenes.
[00:49:50] >> Exactly. That physics and and just
[00:49:52] reality intervenes once the evidence
[00:49:53] started to come out. And they've never
[00:49:55] really acknowledged any of that. That's
[00:49:56] all just kind of acknowledged it. No.
[00:49:58] >> I mean, how could you? There's no
[00:49:59] acknowledging to be done.
[00:50:02] >> Yeah. And by the way, by then, Lombardo
[00:50:04] was busy being chief of police in
[00:50:06] Lahina, if I'm not mistaken.
[00:50:08] >> You're not mistaken.
[00:50:09] >> Right.
[00:50:10] >> Yeah.
[00:50:10] >> So, he was at his next important job.
[00:50:13] >> Where is he now?
[00:50:15] >> I don't know. That's a good question.
[00:50:16] Someone should track him down and maybe
[00:50:18] move far away from him. But so that
[00:50:22] that's the room and just the room, just
[00:50:25] the footage of that, just that is enough
[00:50:27] to say it's all it's all horseshit and
[00:50:29] you have to go back to square one and
[00:50:31] start over with what actually did
[00:50:33] happen. And no one who put out that
[00:50:35] story, no official in charge, either
[00:50:38] Clark County Sheriff's,
[00:50:40] LVMPD,
[00:50:42] FBI, no one has ever explained how
[00:50:45] Steven Paddock could have locked himself
[00:50:47] out,
[00:50:47] >> not to my knowledge,
[00:50:48] >> of his adjoining sweep.
[00:50:50] >> Yep. But they also they also don't
[00:50:52] explain how
[00:50:55] the locks appear to have been tampered
[00:50:58] with. There's a whole bunch of weird
[00:51:00] lock. So someone I forget his name. I
[00:51:02] have them sourced in my in my notes. Um
[00:51:06] he got the door logs from the hotel. I I
[00:51:10] don't know if he had a source at the
[00:51:11] hotel or something, but he got the
[00:51:12] official because the Las Vegas's
[00:51:14] surveills everything. And they have logs
[00:51:16] of the do of the locks of every single
[00:51:18] room of when it's when it's closed, when
[00:51:20] it's open, whether it was open from the
[00:51:21] inside or the outside, the deadbolt
[00:51:23] status. And they have the time recorded
[00:51:25] and everything. And there's there's a
[00:51:29] shot heard by a witness earlier in the
[00:51:31] day at like 3:00 in the afternoon, 3:30
[00:51:33] in the afternoon, which is kind of maybe
[00:51:35] related, but it's sort of a different
[00:51:36] story. But then throughout the day there
[00:51:39] in the afternoon, the deadbolts start
[00:51:41] doing really weird things where it's
[00:51:43] like open, close, open, close, open,
[00:51:45] close. And then at one point it um what
[00:51:49] does it do? The
[00:51:52] door is opened from the inside, logged,
[00:51:55] and then the next log is deadbolt
[00:51:57] unlocked. Meaning that after some weird
[00:52:00] deadbolt stuff has been happening, then
[00:52:02] at a certain point it displays something
[00:52:05] that's physically impossible, which is
[00:52:07] that the door was opened before it was
[00:52:08] unlocked and then it was unlocked, which
[00:52:13] would imply based upon this is what
[00:52:15] other researchers, you know, kind of
[00:52:17] gathered at the time, and I would agree
[00:52:18] based on what I've seen of the evidence
[00:52:20] that they pulled out is that that means
[00:52:22] that you have just hacked the key card
[00:52:24] system so that you can maybe remotely be
[00:52:27] unlocking and locking these doors or you
[00:52:29] have some sort of altered access to
[00:52:31] these rooms. And that would start to
[00:52:34] explain how
[00:52:37] the locks could be locked from the
[00:52:38] inside with no one in there, right?
[00:52:42] Because if you throw away the garbage
[00:52:44] Steven Paddock story, you still have to
[00:52:47] explain how you wound up with two suites
[00:52:49] with a dead man inside with the bolts
[00:52:51] locked from the inside and no broken
[00:52:54] windows
[00:52:55] >> on either side. Yeah. On either side.
[00:52:58] Well, actually, that's that's a I
[00:53:00] believe we aren't entirely clear because
[00:53:02] we have some helicopter footage, we have
[00:53:04] some body cam footage, and we have this
[00:53:06] narrative. I believe that the
[00:53:08] window in the other suite was broken
[00:53:10] out. Um, and I think that we have that
[00:53:13] on the helicopter footage and I think
[00:53:15] you can kind of see it. Like it's a
[00:53:18] little hard to make it out and like some
[00:53:19] of the photos taken from the ground that
[00:53:20] night, but there are some HD photos
[00:53:22] where you can kind of make out that it
[00:53:23] looks like there is kind of a broken
[00:53:24] window in the other room, but it's
[00:53:26] Paddock's room where the majority of the
[00:53:28] gunfire allegedly came from. That's
[00:53:30] where you see this police entrance where
[00:53:32] they can't find the window that's broken
[00:53:34] out and all that. So, so I guess the
[00:53:38] picture that emerges is one in which the
[00:53:40] facts not only don't
[00:53:42] support the narrative, the story, but
[00:53:45] they're like completely at odds. It's
[00:53:48] not a close call. It's not like, oh, did
[00:53:50] I see someone in the grassy null? I'm
[00:53:52] not sure. Let's look at the
[00:53:54] >> It's not like Butler where you have to
[00:53:55] get, you know, 10 miles of the reporting
[00:53:57] to be like, wait, what is with these
[00:53:58] cell phones?
[00:53:58] >> This is just transparently fraudulent.
[00:54:01] >> Yeah. Like right in the in the original
[00:54:03] video evidence, you can see the
[00:54:05] helicopters in the original footage that
[00:54:07] people put out from their cell phones.
[00:54:09] You can hear in the original evidence
[00:54:11] that was all over the internet that
[00:54:13] night. You can just hear the gunfire and
[00:54:15] know that it's not ARS with bump stocks.
[00:54:18] It's just not right. And then you can
[00:54:21] obviously hear all the testimony from
[00:54:22] all the people of all of these other
[00:54:24] things that happened that night that are
[00:54:26] complete lies. They're all made up. It's
[00:54:28] all just It's just people hearing echoes
[00:54:32] >> two hours later.
[00:54:33] >> Why wouldn't So this is why I went out
[00:54:35] to Las Vegas twice in 2017, but then
[00:54:37] just got caught up in life.
[00:54:39] >> There's always more stories.
[00:54:40] >> Yeah. Or short attention span. It's I'm
[00:54:43] not making excuses, but um
[00:54:46] but I didn't realize that the corpus of
[00:54:48] counter evidence was was so enormous. It
[00:54:51] certainly merits an FBI investigation.
[00:54:53] >> It certainly does. But here's the thing
[00:54:54] is I think they know everything that
[00:54:56] happened.
[00:54:57] >> What? But was there ever an official FBI
[00:54:59] investigation?
[00:55:00] >> Um, well, yeah. Uh, it depends on how
[00:55:02] you define it. The FBI was involved in
[00:55:05] the original investigation and I believe
[00:55:06] that the FBI did rule on, you know, a
[00:55:08] certain element of this and then the
[00:55:09] LVMPD put out their own report as well
[00:55:12] and they put out a behavioral analysis
[00:55:13] of Paddock uh like a year later or
[00:55:15] something like that. Um,
[00:55:17] >> and I remember his well two things but
[00:55:19] there but the FBI signed off on the
[00:55:22] totally absurd official conclusion.
[00:55:24] Yeah, they did. Okay.
[00:55:25] >> I believe so. And B, his brother, I
[00:55:28] remember, got busted for kitty porn.
[00:55:30] >> Yeah. I don't actually know much about
[00:55:32] that.
[00:55:32] >> I don't either, but I just having lived
[00:55:34] in DC my whole life, I associate
[00:55:37] >> it was it was a while after the fact,
[00:55:38] right?
[00:55:39] >> Yeah. And it's like a joke in
[00:55:42] Washington. The kitty porn I mean, kitty
[00:55:43] porn is disgusting and I couldn't be
[00:55:45] more opposed to it. I hate pornography
[00:55:47] in general, but kitty porn specifically
[00:55:50] has a reputation in DC, not among
[00:55:53] ignorant people, but among people who
[00:55:55] pay attention as like the hallmark of a
[00:55:57] of a manufactured story, like, "Oh, he
[00:55:59] got arrested for kitty porn. He can't
[00:56:00] talk or whatever." And as soon as I
[00:56:01] heard that, I was like,
[00:56:02] >> George Zinn at
[00:56:04] >> very much like George assassination. So
[00:56:06] >> people were laughing about that. Oh, I
[00:56:08] know. Oh, of course the guy's busted for
[00:56:09] kitty porn. Of course,
[00:56:11] >> shut him up. get him away from the
[00:56:13] >> I'm not Look, I have no specific
[00:56:14] evidence
[00:56:15] >> about George Zinn or about Steven
[00:56:18] Paddock's brother, but that is a very
[00:56:20] well-known It's a joke. It's a cliche.
[00:56:23] >> Yep. And especially when it's just so
[00:56:25] coincidental that it's like, yeah, there
[00:56:27] are sickos out there, but is it just is
[00:56:29] is it always that the, you know, brother
[00:56:31] or associated, the witness, are they
[00:56:33] always the ones? Are they the
[00:56:34] >> They're always into kitty porn. Um, and
[00:56:36] you can't can't talk to them. But it so
[00:56:39] you kind of bring us back to an
[00:56:40] interesting place here where once you
[00:56:43] throw the narrative out, you're like,
[00:56:44] "All right, where do you even start with
[00:56:45] this?" And for me, where you start is
[00:56:47] Steven Paddock is like, "Who is this
[00:56:50] guy? Who is he really?" And uh I need to
[00:56:54] do even more in this. There's when back
[00:56:56] when I got into this story, there was
[00:56:58] just a million directions and I didn't
[00:56:59] go far enough down him. And I was doing
[00:57:00] that again more recently a little bit.
[00:57:02] Um because who is Steven Paddock, right?
[00:57:05] Why the did he would he even have
[00:57:07] been there? Because it's it is factual
[00:57:09] that he did have all these guns in the
[00:57:10] room. It is factual that he did rent the
[00:57:12] room and he was there and and there's,
[00:57:15] you know, the the picture emerges a
[00:57:16] little more when you look into his
[00:57:18] backstory. Um, which is the basics is
[00:57:20] that
[00:57:22] he was 60ish years old at this point.
[00:57:24] And back in like the ' 80s into like the
[00:57:29] late '8s, he had worked at a defense
[00:57:31] contractor that was a predecessor to I
[00:57:33] believe it was Loheed Martin. Um, and I
[00:57:36] it's not like he was like, you know,
[00:57:37] some commando shooting guns as far as
[00:57:39] I'm aware. I think he was, you know, in
[00:57:41] some sort of office element of this
[00:57:44] defense contractor. Um, and then he
[00:57:48] I I don't I forget if he hopped directly
[00:57:50] into uh real estate. I think he had one
[00:57:52] sort of like intermediary where he was
[00:57:54] doing uh not sales but he was still kind
[00:57:58] of like adjacent to the defense industry
[00:57:59] kind of end of the 80s and then he got
[00:58:01] into real estate. Um and then allegedly
[00:58:04] he developed a gambling problem and so
[00:58:07] he had you know a net worth of several
[00:58:08] million dollars allegedly but then he
[00:58:10] allegedly gambled it down over time. Uh
[00:58:13] there's a lot of dispute over whether he
[00:58:14] was making lots of money gambling or not
[00:58:17] >> but um
[00:58:17] >> I remember that.
[00:58:18] >> Yeah. Right. But but that little detail
[00:58:21] about him having worked in the defense
[00:58:23] industry in the past and then going into
[00:58:26] like the the nondescript real estate is
[00:58:29] like that's not suspicious on its face.
[00:58:31] You know, lots of people change careers
[00:58:32] over time. But it is a little
[00:58:34] interesting that a guy that used to work
[00:58:36] and I I don't have any proof of what I'm
[00:58:38] about to say. This is just kind of
[00:58:38] conjecture based upon that. But it's
[00:58:40] interesting that a guy that used to work
[00:58:42] in the defense contracting industries
[00:58:43] back in kind of his prime years, like
[00:58:45] you know, in his 30s sort of. Um,
[00:58:49] then he goes into sort of a nondescript
[00:58:53] industry where your income can be fluid
[00:58:54] and things, you know, you can kind of be
[00:58:56] traveling, you can be in property, all
[00:58:58] these things. And then he winds up with
[00:58:59] what what looks like an awful lot like a
[00:59:01] kind of deep state sort of an arms deal
[00:59:02] sort of thing. An arms deal that's
[00:59:04] involved in this absolute mass shooting.
[00:59:07] Um that that does give me pause and
[00:59:09] question of like was he a private
[00:59:12] citizen that was stock because we'll get
[00:59:16] into the evidence that he thought he was
[00:59:18] doing an arms sale in a little bit. But
[00:59:20] I believe that he thought he was going
[00:59:22] to sell those guns and I think that's
[00:59:24] why he had them all there. Um and that
[00:59:26] comes down to the three women that were
[00:59:27] on the room with him.
[00:59:29] But
[00:59:31] the moment that you realize that you're
[00:59:32] being lied to about him being the
[00:59:34] shooter, you need an explanation for why
[00:59:35] the hell is he there with all these
[00:59:36] guns because, you know, like I
[00:59:38] don't I've been to Vegas and I didn't
[00:59:40] bring, you know, a whole arsenal of
[00:59:42] weapons with me and a whole arsenal of
[00:59:45] loaded magazines as well,
[00:59:46] >> right? I mean, you don't bring, you
[00:59:48] know, six rifles to go deer hunting or
[00:59:50] any any How many rifles did he have?
[00:59:52] >> Uh, I believe it was 25 rif Well, it was
[00:59:56] what was it? It was 25 weapons in the
[00:59:58] room, I believe, was the final count.
[01:00:00] Might have been 24 in the room. Um, and
[01:00:02] he had one revolver and one boltaction
[01:00:04] rifle, and then all the rest were AR
[01:00:06] platforms. Um, and then he also had a
[01:00:09] whole bunch of weapons at his other two
[01:00:10] houses as well. He had like 25 other
[01:00:12] guns at his other houses. Uh, and he
[01:00:14] just bought a bunch for this.
[01:00:15] >> And he was knowledgeable about guns. I
[01:00:17] remember that.
[01:00:18] >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
[01:00:19] >> So, who were the three women and why do
[01:00:21] we think he was planning to sell them?
[01:00:23] >> Well, at first they didn't exist. Um,
[01:00:26] but then investigative journalists dug
[01:00:29] and dug and dug and they found out that
[01:00:32] there were three other women on the
[01:00:34] hotel reservation officially. Their
[01:00:36] their names were on the hotel
[01:00:37] reservation. The hotel knew they were
[01:00:38] there and I believe that they were
[01:00:40] checked into the side suite basically is
[01:00:43] my assumption. Um, I don't know if that
[01:00:44] was proven or not, but the sides suite
[01:00:46] was booked with Steven Paddock's
[01:00:48] girlfriend's credit card, Mary Lou
[01:00:50] Danley. Um, and these three women I I
[01:00:54] have their names written down. We know
[01:00:55] their first names because it was their
[01:00:56] first names were said, I believe it was
[01:00:58] on one of the police body cameras that
[01:01:00] was eventually released during the
[01:01:01] night, but we don't know their last
[01:01:02] names. They uh witnesses described
[01:01:06] having allegedly seen him gambling that
[01:01:09] day or the day before
[01:01:11] with women that looked to be uh of
[01:01:14] Hispanic descent or like Central South
[01:01:16] American descent. And so their names
[01:01:19] kind of match. Maybe they were some sort
[01:01:21] of Latina um women.
[01:01:25] He had tannerite in his car is a key
[01:01:27] piece of this. He had 50 lbs of
[01:01:29] tannerite in his car,
[01:01:30] >> which is usually used when you want to
[01:01:33] make things go boom. Not like I'm going
[01:01:34] to blow up a building, but like we're
[01:01:36] going to go shoot in the desert and have
[01:01:38] a great time.
[01:01:39] >> 50 lbs is a lot of tannerite.
[01:01:40] >> It's a lot of tannerite.
[01:01:41] >> So tannerite is
[01:01:42] >> But he also had a lot of guns.
[01:01:44] >> Ammonium nitrate.
[01:01:45] >> Yeah. And you can buy it in gun stores
[01:01:48] and it detonates not with fire but with
[01:01:52] velocity with force. And uh so you hit
[01:01:54] it with a with a rifle round and it
[01:01:56] explodes and it's
[01:01:58] >> powerful and 50 lbs is enough to take
[01:02:00] your house out. Yeah. And so we don't
[01:02:02] really know why he had that or what he
[01:02:03] was doing with it,
[01:02:05] but my understanding is that Tannerite
[01:02:08] can be used for lots of things, but it
[01:02:10] is often used to like stage like a fun
[01:02:12] gun shooting moment of like
[01:02:14] >> I've never seen it used for anything
[01:02:15] other than that. And it's it's
[01:02:16] dangerous. I mean, for sure. I've had
[01:02:18] some problems with it. [laughter]
[01:02:20] >> It's definitely powerful.
[01:02:22] >> Yeah. And so, um, [clears throat]
[01:02:25] the tannerite, a lot of people
[01:02:27] speculated, um, and I tend to defer to
[01:02:29] their speculation about it because I
[01:02:30] have never shot tannerite. I don't know
[01:02:32] about it. Um, people speculated that
[01:02:35] given these multiple kind of, um,
[01:02:39] points of information is that maybe one
[01:02:43] line of reasoning would be that he
[01:02:44] thought he was selling a bunch of
[01:02:46] weapons to someone rich.
[01:02:48] This is not something that's fact-based
[01:02:50] like we know for sure. But we do know
[01:02:52] that three women
[01:02:54] first name only that we're not supposed
[01:02:55] to talk about were registered to this
[01:02:57] room as well. And we do know that he had
[01:03:01] the room full of guns and we do know
[01:03:03] that he didn't do the shooting. Um at
[01:03:05] least I feel pretty confident that I
[01:03:06] know that. And so then it's like well
[01:03:08] why the hell would you have a room full
[01:03:10] of guns? And it is not uncommon to sell
[01:03:12] guns in Las Vegas. Um I mean go to Shot
[01:03:15] Show, right? And so one possible
[01:03:17] explanation that might start to put some
[01:03:19] of those pieces into place is maybe he
[01:03:20] met some beautiful girls that knew a guy
[01:03:23] something along those lines that was
[01:03:24] like, "Hey, I know this really rich guy
[01:03:26] that wants to buy some guns and you know
[01:03:27] guns, right?" Maybe he got honeypotted.
[01:03:29] Maybe it was some sort of operation
[01:03:31] targeting him to recruit him for this
[01:03:33] thing. Um because you know you don't
[01:03:35] have to just explain it from Stephen
[01:03:37] Paddock's brain of like why is this
[01:03:39] maybe arm sale happening but you have to
[01:03:41] explain it from like the big picture
[01:03:42] explanation of why did whatever
[01:03:45] organization orchestrated all of this
[01:03:47] why did they get Steven Paddock into
[01:03:49] that room to do that thing right I lean
[01:03:52] towards speculatively
[01:03:54] that he was probably selected as a psy
[01:03:57] for being some like you know kind of
[01:03:59] vulnerable unimportant guy that was you
[01:04:03] know down on his luck a little bit maybe
[01:04:04] and wanted to make some money selling
[01:04:06] guns who maybe he was more involved.
[01:04:08] Maybe he had some intelligence
[01:04:09] connections. I don't know. But I suspect
[01:04:12] that he was basically recruited by some
[01:04:13] hot girls to sell some guns to someone
[01:04:16] rich or something along those general
[01:04:18] lines. And so he's bringing all these
[01:04:20] guns to Vegas or he's, you know,
[01:04:21] stocking his room with all these guns to
[01:04:22] go out and shoot in the desert the next
[01:04:24] day maybe. Um he didn't bring the
[01:04:26] tannerite up to his room. He left the
[01:04:27] tanite in the car. But you if you went
[01:04:30] to Vegas, you probably wouldn't leave an
[01:04:33] arsenal of guns in your car. You would
[01:04:35] want those secured in your room.
[01:04:37] >> Um, and he has all these magazines
[01:04:39] loaded, right? All these magazines are
[01:04:42] loaded. And that would make sense if
[01:04:44] he's trying to do a mass shooting. But
[01:04:45] the moment that you realize that the
[01:04:47] evidence just does not support him doing
[01:04:49] the mass shooting, then it's like, well,
[01:04:51] why are the magazines all loaded? Why is
[01:04:53] this arsenal here ready like this? And
[01:04:55] if you were going to go shoot in the
[01:04:56] desert, that would be a thing you would
[01:04:58] do is you would load a bunch of
[01:04:59] magazines. Um, so hard to we we don't
[01:05:02] know exactly why those pieces fit
[01:05:04] together, but that's one of the most
[01:05:06] common theories is that these three
[01:05:08] women that were on the room with him um
[01:05:11] in the side probably [snorts]
[01:05:14] that they probably had some sort of
[01:05:15] middleman connection cuz how do women
[01:05:17] >> see any motive? I mean, did the
[01:05:19] authorities ever give us a hint of a
[01:05:22] motive? Because to murder strangers.
[01:05:25] >> No, they objectively said, "We have no
[01:05:27] idea what the motive was."
[01:05:28] >> They said that way.
[01:05:28] >> No. Yeah, exactly. They they And you can
[01:05:31] watch um our favorite sheriff,
[01:05:35] he has a couple different versions of
[01:05:38] the quote of like, "We figured out the
[01:05:39] what, the when, the where, the who. The
[01:05:41] one thing we don't know is the why."
[01:05:43] >> But the why is the one thing that
[01:05:44] matters. And that's so often a theme
[01:05:47] that runs through these things. And when
[01:05:48] there is a clearly articulated motive as
[01:05:50] in a manifesto, sometimes it's
[01:05:53] suppressed. It's like I mean Osama bin
[01:05:55] Laden's manifesto was suppressed. It's
[01:05:57] still being it's still being suppressed
[01:05:58] >> even though it went viral on TikTok
[01:05:59] recently,
[01:06:00] >> right? So I do think it's essential to
[01:06:02] know what he used a weapon. Of course he
[01:06:04] did. He killed people. I know. But why?
[01:06:08] I've got a million weapons. I would
[01:06:09] never kill anybody. So what's the
[01:06:11] difference between me and him? That's
[01:06:12] that's the thing you need to know. You
[01:06:14] bring up Osama bin Laden right as it's a
[01:06:15] good time to start talking about the
[01:06:16] Saudi angle on this thing which is super
[01:06:19] interesting. Um because you're right the
[01:06:21] why for Steven Paddock is non-existent
[01:06:23] and that's the official narrative is
[01:06:24] that there's no idea why.
[01:06:25] >> Can I just give the context to the
[01:06:26] political context? This is less than a
[01:06:28] year after Trump's election.
[01:06:29] >> Yeah.
[01:06:30] >> This is a Jason Aldine concert. These
[01:06:32] are Trump voters.
[01:06:33] >> Jason Aldine is not a political activist
[01:06:36] but he's open about his politics and
[01:06:37] they're Trump aligned. He's also a great
[01:06:39] guy.
[01:06:39] >> Yeah,
[01:06:40] >> I will say. But um so these are Trump
[01:06:42] voters who get killed. At the time, less
[01:06:45] than year after Trump's election, all
[01:06:46] anyone's talking about is Trump. People
[01:06:48] are extremely exercised about it.
[01:06:51] >> So it's hard to ignore that kind of
[01:06:53] >> I think it's impossible to ignore it.
[01:06:55] Um,
[01:06:58] but
[01:06:59] and here's where we get into these like
[01:07:01] there's different theories and and they
[01:07:04] all hold certain amounts of weight and
[01:07:05] merit, but most of them sort of have a
[01:07:09] hole in that they explain this piece but
[01:07:11] none of that pieces. They explain this
[01:07:13] thing but not that, right? And so one
[01:07:16] possible narrative is it's like a
[01:07:18] government false flag to get gun
[01:07:21] control, right? just like do a mass
[01:07:22] shooting, construct a mass shooting
[01:07:24] incident, and then more gun control. And
[01:07:27] there's a a similar compelling kind of a
[01:07:29] concept of more mass surveillance. And
[01:07:32] Vegas is a really compelling place to
[01:07:33] put, you know, experimental mass
[01:07:35] surveillance technology because you get
[01:07:37] the whole world comes to Vegas, you get
[01:07:39] all sorts of different uh genetic like
[01:07:41] compositions of people that flood in and
[01:07:44] it's all private property where you can
[01:07:46] kind of do your thing. And so two
[01:07:48] parallel story lines of like kind of a
[01:07:50] false flag to bring in more more of the
[01:07:51] gun control or more of the surveillance
[01:07:53] or both. And that would be a reasonable
[01:07:56] >> Can I just ask you just ask you question
[01:07:57] for a sec? Just I I thought about this
[01:07:59] at the time trying to think through what
[01:08:01] is this and the gun gun control is
[01:08:04] almost always the first thing
[01:08:06] >> Democrats call for when there's a mass
[01:08:07] shooting. They leverage the death of
[01:08:09] other people for a policy aim. Of
[01:08:10] course, always famously. Sandy Hook and
[01:08:12] the rest.
[01:08:13] >> They didn't do it that much after this.
[01:08:15] No, they shut the hell up real fast.
[01:08:17] >> Exactly. And I noticed that at the time.
[01:08:19] >> Real fast. Yeah, they did try to bring
[01:08:22] in more mass surveillance technology in
[01:08:24] Las Vegas. They brought in more like
[01:08:25] body scanners and stuff. They tried to
[01:08:27] do this big new techno thing in Vegas.
[01:08:31] But it basically failed because no one's
[01:08:33] going to walk through the airport
[01:08:34] scanner. Like they actually installed
[01:08:36] some of these like lido scanners in
[01:08:37] Vegas the following years. But like no
[01:08:40] one's going to walk through that every
[01:08:41] time they're trying to get into their
[01:08:42] hotel or go to the casino floor and all
[01:08:43] this It's like that's just not
[01:08:45] good for business. So ultimately that
[01:08:47] that initiative basically backfired at
[01:08:49] least in those big overt measures. But I
[01:08:53] I don't know what kind of increased
[01:08:55] biometric scanning and cameras and
[01:08:57] surveillance technology kind of got sold
[01:08:59] to all those casinos after the fact. Um
[01:09:02] we we know that Las Vegas is one of the
[01:09:04] most surveiled places on the planet and
[01:09:05] it was that night too despite the fact
[01:09:07] that we have none of the footage. We
[01:09:08] have none of that surveillance. But um
[01:09:11] but that's where it's like certain PE
[01:09:13] like it would make sense to be like if
[01:09:15] you're a conspiracy theorist is like oh
[01:09:17] it's a gun control false flag but then
[01:09:19] they're not going to push the gun
[01:09:20] control. And furthermore, why are you
[01:09:23] going to false flag like attack all the
[01:09:25] concert goers and then have this further
[01:09:28] engaged conflict of multiple suspected
[01:09:30] gunmen all across the Las Vegas strip
[01:09:33] over at the airport mysterious
[01:09:35] helicopters that we know are up there.
[01:09:36] It's like it doesn't explain any of that
[01:09:39] at all. Right.
[01:09:40] >> You would just literally if it was about
[01:09:42] gun control, you would actually just
[01:09:43] have a Steven Paddock type character get
[01:09:45] a rifle and walk into the crowd and
[01:09:46] start shooting.
[01:09:47] >> All right. So that's where it's like,
[01:09:49] okay, we need to square all these weird
[01:09:51] pieces and how do we square all of these
[01:09:53] weird pieces? And so you might think
[01:09:57] about things like a heist gone wrong or
[01:09:59] a this g like a lot of the other
[01:10:01] versions that are more like, you know,
[01:10:02] the average person might come up with
[01:10:04] them. um cuz you kind of see movies,
[01:10:06] right? And and if you kind of just like
[01:10:08] glance at all the evidence, you might be
[01:10:10] like, "Oh, it's like if Oceans 11 got
[01:10:12] really messed up in real life." But it's
[01:10:14] not because in Oceans 11, there's no
[01:10:16] reason to murder 60 concert goers with
[01:10:19] automatic gunfire probably coming from
[01:10:21] helicopters. That would never be a part
[01:10:23] of a heist. Like, you would never do
[01:10:26] that. And furthermore, how would you
[01:10:28] convince any American, no matter how
[01:10:29] slimy? Like how would you even convince
[01:10:31] like Hillary Clinton and Anthony Weiner
[01:10:33] if they got into the helicopter
[01:10:34] together? Like are they going to shoot
[01:10:36] like automatic gunfire into 60 civilians
[01:10:39] out of the helicopter? Like
[01:10:41] >> probably not. Let's be real. Like I know
[01:10:44] we don't like them, but
[01:10:46] >> but like you need to square
[01:10:47] >> that's a big step.
[01:10:48] >> Who the hell would shoot all of these
[01:10:51] concert goers? And how do you square the
[01:10:53] concert shooting with whatever else was
[01:10:56] happening?
[01:10:58] And this is where I stumbled across the
[01:11:00] work largely of John Cullen and Jason
[01:11:02] Goodman got big into this as well and a
[01:11:04] bunch of other people did too. U Mindy
[01:11:06] Robinson mentioned it a bit in her
[01:11:07] documentary and many many more that I'm
[01:11:10] that I'm not mentioning right now. Um
[01:11:13] but John and Jason they really dug into
[01:11:17] this for a long time for many many years
[01:11:20] and they teased out this narrative over
[01:11:22] time. And when I first stumbled across
[01:11:23] it, I didn't have the depth of
[01:11:26] understanding or the uh the context of
[01:11:29] political awareness and intelligency
[01:11:32] kind of history to really understand
[01:11:34] what they meant. And so I heard it as
[01:11:36] like the baseline and we'll we'll tease
[01:11:39] this out a fair bit I think but the
[01:11:40] baseline of the theory is like Muhammad
[01:11:42] bin Salman the crown prince of Saudi
[01:11:43] Arabia is in Vegas for you know the
[01:11:46] night um or whatever and he's staying at
[01:11:50] his uh cousin's hotel which is the upper
[01:11:53] floors of the Mandalay Bay the Four
[01:11:54] Seasons. uh Alwali bin Talal was owned
[01:11:58] 45% of that hotel chain at the time and
[01:12:01] so he's like staying in the hotel and so
[01:12:03] it was an assassination attempt on him
[01:12:06] and there's we'll we'll dig this out a
[01:12:08] lot uh to try to understand what we do
[01:12:10] and don't know about it and let people
[01:12:11] make their own minds but the first
[01:12:14] encountering of it when I thought about
[01:12:16] it I was like so that would explain an
[01:12:20] assassination attempt on someone like
[01:12:22] bin Salman might explain all this
[01:12:24] gunfire across the strip where there's
[01:12:26] like an evacuation happening and there's
[01:12:28] operatives running around and there's
[01:12:29] like two because all those shootings and
[01:12:32] all these hotels where there's no
[01:12:34] civilian victims really to note that to
[01:12:38] me implies two armed forces fighting
[01:12:40] each other. You know what I mean? Just
[01:12:43] like basic logic is if you have a bunch
[01:12:45] of gunfire going off all across a city
[01:12:48] and no civilians are getting shot then
[01:12:50] it's because you have people with guns
[01:12:51] shooting at people with guns. Um, I
[01:12:54] would assume
[01:12:57] and and so it's like, okay, that
[01:12:59] explains maybe that kind of stuff. Maybe
[01:13:00] it explains the airport stuff. Maybe it
[01:13:02] explains like an evacuation. It explains
[01:13:03] helicopters like turning off their
[01:13:05] transponders and hovering over the
[01:13:06] Mandandalay Bay, which we saw them do,
[01:13:08] um, and didn't see them do, so to speak.
[01:13:10] So, it explains a lot of these pieces,
[01:13:12] but it's like, but how does that explain
[01:13:14] shooting up the concert? It's like, at
[01:13:17] first it was like, are they shooting up
[01:13:18] the concert to create like to trigger
[01:13:19] his evacuation protocol? That doesn't
[01:13:21] make sense. It's like I don't get it.
[01:13:24] And it's because I didn't understand the
[01:13:26] historical context of Saudi Arabia and
[01:13:27] of Wahhabiism and of al-Qaeda and of the
[01:13:30] power struggle that had been raging in
[01:13:32] Saudi Arabia for
[01:13:35] years at that point. Um, and had really
[01:13:37] intensified right at that moment and I
[01:13:40] still don't understand it because it's
[01:13:42] so freaking complicated. Um but
[01:13:46] once you look at Saudi Arabia and their
[01:13:49] history, their royal structure, their
[01:13:52] political structure and the political
[01:13:55] seismic shift that has happened around
[01:13:58] the Solomon line right now,
[01:14:02] that piece starts to click into place
[01:14:04] because when you look at something so
[01:14:06] horrid as the Las Vegas shooting, who is
[01:14:10] going to shoot like 20year-old girls in
[01:14:13] the face with just reckless abandon like
[01:14:16] that. That is like the definition of a
[01:14:18] terrorist attack. And so if you don't
[01:14:20] know anything about the the incident,
[01:14:23] how do you even come up with a
[01:14:24] perpetrator that could ever bring
[01:14:26] themselves to do such a thing? It's like
[01:14:28] is it North Korea? Is it Russia? Is it
[01:14:31] Iran? Is it, you know, who hates
[01:14:33] American people that much?
[01:14:34] >> The American brain can only explain that
[01:14:36] by attributing it to a crazed lone
[01:14:38] gunman who's seized by mental illness or
[01:14:41] something. But the American brain cannot
[01:14:43] fathom any organized group
[01:14:45] >> exactly
[01:14:46] >> of people doing something
[01:14:47] >> and certainly not like our own like you
[01:14:49] can be the craziest conspiracy theorist
[01:14:51] with like literally wrapped in tin foil
[01:14:52] sitting in your own microwave but you
[01:14:55] still can't like it is still not a
[01:14:57] legitimate argument to say that like a
[01:14:59] CIA officer is going to get onto that
[01:15:01] helicopter and shoot a minigun at
[01:15:02] civilian not a chance.
[01:15:04] >> Nope. And if I start believing that, I'm
[01:15:06] leaving. And
[01:15:06] >> no, like even the most horrendous, like
[01:15:08] even Henry Kissinger, Hillary Clinton,
[01:15:10] take your pick of like the most vile
[01:15:12] people in American history, they're not
[01:15:13] going to do that.
[01:15:14] >> And so it's like, who would?
[01:15:18] And
[01:15:20] when you look at the history of Saudi
[01:15:23] Arabia and the sort of waring factions
[01:15:25] of their religious and political
[01:15:26] ideology and the Wahhabiism
[01:15:29] hardliners that very much
[01:15:34] are sort of aligned beside al-Qaeda and
[01:15:38] that are sort of where al-Qaeda like
[01:15:40] >> you know fractioned off from and you
[01:15:42] know this far more than me that is very
[01:15:46] much an ideology that is perfectly okay
[01:15:48] with killing western young people with
[01:15:50] reckless abandon.
[01:15:51] >> And the interesting thing is that NBS
[01:15:54] Muhammad bin Salman then the the crown
[01:15:55] prince still still technically the crown
[01:15:57] prince but the man who runs Saudi um I
[01:16:00] mean he's just crushed them
[01:16:02] >> he's changed everything
[01:16:03] >> since then just crushed them but but
[01:16:05] specifically he's gone after
[01:16:07] >> specific people
[01:16:07] >> those people.
[01:16:08] >> So let's let's unpack this little
[01:16:10] >> Wait before we go further just the the
[01:16:12] key question. Do we know that he was in
[01:16:14] Vegas that day?
[01:16:14] >> No we do not. And there's this there's
[01:16:16] this one video that that question hinges
[01:16:18] around because people started to talk
[01:16:20] about this theory, you know, in the
[01:16:22] months following this um and in the
[01:16:23] years following it. And this video
[01:16:25] emerged and went viral. And I have
[01:16:27] questions over whether this was
[01:16:28] orchestrated in order to discredit the
[01:16:30] theory as often happens where when a a
[01:16:34] theory that we're not supposed to talk
[01:16:35] about gains power and steam and
[01:16:36] traction, people start talking about it,
[01:16:38] you release something that is supposed
[01:16:41] to be a piece of that theory that is
[01:16:42] easily disprovable, right? And this
[01:16:45] video goes viral of
[01:16:46] >> I'm watching that right now.
[01:16:48] >> Exactly. Right. This video goes viral of
[01:16:51] this evacuation that happens that night
[01:16:54] where there's these two guys surrounded
[01:16:56] by armed police officers clearly like
[01:16:59] clearing the area, evacuating out of a
[01:17:02] one of the hotels and someone gets it on
[01:17:04] cell phone camera and the two guys that
[01:17:07] are not police officers that are not
[01:17:09] armed. One of them is wearing red shoes
[01:17:11] and a white baseball jersey and he's
[01:17:12] carrying a little bag that's like looks
[01:17:14] like an important Las Vegasy kind of
[01:17:16] money or something bag and the other
[01:17:18] guy's in a suit. And the the idea is
[01:17:22] it's like is this guy in the white
[01:17:24] jersey Muhammad bin Salman? Which is at
[01:17:26] first it's like what are you talking
[01:17:27] about? Like
[01:17:29] dressed like that? I don't think so. But
[01:17:32] I I who knows maybe it was constructed
[01:17:34] to be like he's in disguise. The short
[01:17:36] version is we know for a fact that that
[01:17:37] was not Muhammad bin Salman. was one of
[01:17:39] the uh like chiefs of security at that
[01:17:42] hotel. Um and he posted online was like,
[01:17:44] "No, that's me. These are my shoes. I'm
[01:17:45] a sneaker head. Like, here's all the
[01:17:47] corroboration you could ever need.
[01:17:48] That's me." I was called into work cuz I
[01:17:50] live nearby. And because they had not
[01:17:53] yet cleared that building, I came in
[01:17:55] with that team as they cleared the
[01:17:56] building. And then you can see in the
[01:17:58] video right at the end of the video, the
[01:17:59] cops keep going straight and and him and
[01:18:01] his and the guy in the suit, they veer
[01:18:03] off to the right towards something. And
[01:18:04] they and they have a little dialogue
[01:18:05] where it's like, "Hey, you going go to
[01:18:07] the offices?" and they go to their
[01:18:08] offices to start working on the crazy
[01:18:11] security situation that they're in the
[01:18:12] middle of. And so that video is not at
[01:18:15] all related. It has nothing to do with
[01:18:17] it. But it got fed into the narrative
[01:18:19] right at this critical moment where I
[01:18:22] suspect that it was supposed to
[01:18:23] discredit this make sort of like muddy
[01:18:25] the waters of this question of was bin
[01:18:28] Salman in Las Vegas at that time. And I
[01:18:31] have not even begun to scratch the
[01:18:32] surface of the research that these other
[01:18:34] folks have done over years of trying to
[01:18:36] verify where he was that night. And the
[01:18:38] best that anyone has gotten as far as
[01:18:40] I've seen is that there's a hole in his
[01:18:42] schedule where no one knows where he
[01:18:43] was. And we know that he was other
[01:18:45] places before and we know he was other
[01:18:47] places after. But those that specific
[01:18:49] little window of time, a couple days
[01:18:51] around Las Vegas around October 1st,
[01:18:53] 2017, no verification of where he was at
[01:18:56] all. So we do not know. So Iben Sadad
[01:18:58] that like founded the Kingdom of Saudi
[01:19:01] Arabia, he had a bunch of sons and it's
[01:19:03] been his sons ever since. And so the
[01:19:05] king of Saudi Arabia has been getting
[01:19:07] older and older and older because as one
[01:19:08] has abdicated or been overtaken,
[01:19:10] whatever, it's just been like first they
[01:19:12] were in their 30s and now they're in
[01:19:13] their 40s and now they're in their 60s
[01:19:14] and now they're in their 70s and now uh
[01:19:16] King Salman took took off like office. I
[01:19:18] said office cuz I'm American. He took
[01:19:20] the throne in his 80s. Right? So the
[01:19:23] last three kings of Saudi Arabia, King
[01:19:25] Fod, King Abdullah, and King Solomon,
[01:19:28] super relevant to the current power
[01:19:30] struggle that's happening. And King Fod
[01:19:32] was 82 to 2005. Um,
[01:19:37] I'm no expert on religion, on Islam, on
[01:19:42] Saudi American politics, but it's not
[01:19:44] hard to figure out that King Fod was
[01:19:47] pretty hardliner. And a lot of these
[01:19:48] guys are pretty damn hardliner. this
[01:19:50] kind of Wahhabiism, this very like very
[01:19:53] uh conservative religious um government
[01:19:57] that they run. And King Fod,
[01:20:01] he oversaw a whole bunch of terrorism.
[01:20:04] And like let's let's not forget that
[01:20:06] yeah, there's a lot of things that
[01:20:08] happened on 911 that I don't think the
[01:20:09] official narrative accounts for, but we
[01:20:11] do know for a fact that Saudi Arabia was
[01:20:14] very involved. Like Saudi Arabia
[01:20:16] represented what was it like 17? What
[01:20:19] was it? It was 17 of 19 I think. Yeah,
[01:20:21] >> I think it was less than 17. I think it
[01:20:23] was 15 or 16 out of 19, but it was a
[01:20:25] significant number, right?
[01:20:27] >> Overalling majority majority, the
[01:20:29] hijackers, whatever role they really
[01:20:31] played, you know, whatever conspiracy
[01:20:32] theory you want to be on. And then Saudi
[01:20:34] Arabia also was involved in sort of the
[01:20:37] intelligence around it. They were
[01:20:38] involved in they they were baked in. And
[01:20:40] when you get deeper into sort of like
[01:20:42] the CIA's analysis, postmortem analysis
[01:20:44] of what happened, Saudi Arabia
[01:20:45] stonewalled the hell out of them. I
[01:20:47] mean, like Osama bin Laden was born out
[01:20:50] of this sort of Saudi Wahhabi mindset
[01:20:54] and he like took it in this direction um
[01:20:56] towards politics away from just
[01:20:58] religious perspective and towards
[01:20:59] political violence and political uh
[01:21:02] movement kind of born out of America
[01:21:05] getting in there and doing what we
[01:21:06] always do, right? And there's all sorts
[01:21:08] of depth there that I don't understand,
[01:21:10] but it's you don't have to understand
[01:21:11] all the depth of it to know that
[01:21:15] has an interesting relationship with
[01:21:18] that era because
[01:21:22] whether he was, you know, regardless of
[01:21:24] how involved he was during that era,
[01:21:26] Osama bin Laden was creating and growing
[01:21:30] al-Qaeda and doing whatever it is you
[01:21:33] think al-Qaeda was involved in, not just
[01:21:35] in 9/11, but in all these other terror
[01:21:37] attacks. too. And
[01:21:40] and so these hardliners, these brother
[01:21:42] kings,
[01:21:44] there's this divide that emerges um in
[01:21:48] more recent times
[01:21:50] with King Solomon and his son Muhammad
[01:21:54] bin Salman, right? And there's other
[01:21:56] people that are sort of aligned with
[01:21:57] them, but they're obviously the two
[01:21:58] figureheads of this this newer Saudi
[01:22:00] Arabia. They are very different.
[01:22:03] Muhammad bin Salman especially, but King
[01:22:05] Salman has been very much more
[01:22:06] progressive. And Muhammad bin Salman is
[01:22:07] very much like he wants to give women's
[01:22:09] rights and he's like throwing giant
[01:22:10] music festivals and he's trying to, you
[01:22:12] know, move their investments away from
[01:22:14] just oil.
[01:22:15] >> They're allowing alcohol.
[01:22:16] >> Exactly. They're doing all these things
[01:22:18] that are that from the hardliners
[01:22:20] perspective, you're destroying the
[01:22:23] faith. You're destroying the nation.
[01:22:24] You're destroying
[01:22:25] >> in the regional context, he's been
[01:22:26] radical for sure. And there is there's a
[01:22:29] lot of articles, news articles from the
[01:22:31] Middle East predating the Las Vegas
[01:22:34] shooting like in the in the years and
[01:22:36] months like there's some of them that
[01:22:37] are two years ahead of that where it's
[01:22:39] it's princes because there's thousands
[01:22:40] of these princes but some of them are
[01:22:42] very important and some of them are
[01:22:43] lesser important and there were very
[01:22:46] important princes basically creating
[01:22:48] like kind of manifesto level uh texts
[01:22:52] saying like we need to stop these
[01:22:54] weaklings from taking over and
[01:22:57] destroying the kingdom. And basically
[01:22:59] calling on these hardliners to get
[01:23:01] together and kick these guys out and
[01:23:02] deal with them. And there is a history
[01:23:04] of political violence. Back in I think
[01:23:06] it was the '60s was the first time that
[01:23:08] the king was assassinated. And he was
[01:23:10] assassinated by his nephew. I believe it
[01:23:13] is. I believe it was his cousin.
[01:23:14] >> I think that's correct. And ever since
[01:23:16] it's I mean even before that, but ever
[01:23:18] since it has very much been this Game of
[01:23:20] Thrones kind of place where you have a
[01:23:21] kingdom that has religion baked in. It
[01:23:24] has this oil wealth. It has uh and it
[01:23:27] has this history growing of political
[01:23:29] violence and of infighting for the
[01:23:32] throne, vying for the
[01:23:33] >> high stakes stuff. Yeah, for sure.
[01:23:34] >> Very high stakes. And so as you approach
[01:23:37] the Las Vegas shooting, and this is
[01:23:38] stuff that John Coen and Jason Goodman
[01:23:40] dug a ton into, and you can go to John
[01:23:43] Cullen's YouTube channel and dig back
[01:23:44] through it all because he did it all in
[01:23:45] these like one-hour long podcast and
[01:23:48] sort of exposees that takes a long time
[01:23:49] to get through, but he very much lays
[01:23:51] out his version of the theory. He's not
[01:23:53] the only one, but he's the most he's the
[01:23:55] most deep into this theory. Um, and I
[01:23:57] very much think it's the most likely. I
[01:23:59] think it's the most fleshed out and
[01:24:01] logical theory. Um, all the way from
[01:24:04] explaining why we saw terrorism that
[01:24:06] night, but also why we saw these other
[01:24:09] things, but also it fits into this
[01:24:11] historical perspective of what was
[01:24:12] actually happening in Saudi Arabia at
[01:24:14] the time that we as Americans aren't
[01:24:15] aware of because
[01:24:18] the secession
[01:24:20] had just shifted. bin Salman, King
[01:24:23] Salman, not Muhammad bin Salman. King
[01:24:25] Salman was on the throne. He took the
[01:24:27] throne uh what was it in 2015, I
[01:24:30] believe.
[01:24:31] Yeah, 2015. Salman takes the throne and
[01:24:36] he changes the succession.
[01:24:39] Uh I believe it was earlier in 2017. It
[01:24:42] was like maybe six months or so before
[01:24:45] the Vegas shooting and he changed it
[01:24:49] from one of these hardliner guys to his
[01:24:53] son bin Salman, Muhammad bin Salman.
[01:24:56] It's very confusing with these names. If
[01:24:57] you're American, you don't um you're not
[01:24:59] used to Arab names.
[01:25:02] But then the moment that bin Salman gets
[01:25:03] in there, there is reporting about his
[01:25:06] actions. There's you you have to kind of
[01:25:08] triangulate it from watching what he
[01:25:09] does, but he immediately starts to
[01:25:11] consolidate power. And um one of the
[01:25:13] examples is he moves to dismantle their
[01:25:17] sort of intelligence apparatus and move
[01:25:19] it under the the uh the jurisdiction of
[01:25:22] their like defense department sort of
[01:25:24] which he's the head of. Um and the guy
[01:25:26] that was in charge of the intelligence
[01:25:27] apparatus at the time was one of these
[01:25:29] hardliners from one of these other kind
[01:25:30] of family lineages. And so it's things
[01:25:32] like that where he's like he's kicking
[01:25:34] people out of their positions. He's
[01:25:36] changing around who's in charge of
[01:25:37] positions and he's trying to take away
[01:25:39] power from these various uh hardliners
[01:25:42] that have had it out for him for years
[01:25:44] and do not want this shift to take
[01:25:46] place. Um so he's replaced a guy that
[01:25:50] doesn't want him there and now he's the
[01:25:52] crown prince. He's going to he's going
[01:25:53] to take the throne and his dad might
[01:25:56] abdicate at any time, right? His dad is
[01:25:58] in his 80s. um at any moment he could
[01:26:01] either die or get sick or just decide
[01:26:04] that he's over it and his son is now the
[01:26:05] king. And so Ben Solomon's not a dumbass
[01:26:08] and he knows that he needs to do
[01:26:10] something about all these opposing, you
[01:26:13] know, family members that are actively
[01:26:16] trying to take him out and they've been
[01:26:18] talking about trying to take him out for
[01:26:19] a long time. And what I just explained
[01:26:21] about the uh the head of intelligence
[01:26:23] and that the nature of the power of the
[01:26:24] intelligence networks, that's just one
[01:26:26] piece of what he's doing here. And he's
[01:26:28] doing that for months leading up to the
[01:26:30] 2017 uh to the date of October 1st when
[01:26:34] this shooting happens. And when the Las
[01:26:37] Vegas shooting happens,
[01:26:40] it's right in the middle of this this
[01:26:43] building of tension, this shifting of
[01:26:46] power that we think is over there,
[01:26:48] right? It's over in Saudi Arabia,
[01:26:50] obviously, and it's understandable that
[01:26:52] that would be happening in Saudi Arabia.
[01:26:53] So, we kind of have a burden of proof to
[01:26:55] explain why would this be happening in
[01:26:56] Las Vegas. And I don't know if we've met
[01:26:58] that burden of proof in the way the
[01:27:00] theory has developed over the years of
[01:27:02] people kind of digging into this and
[01:27:03] trying to piece it apart. But alw bin
[01:27:07] Tal, one of the richest of all of the
[01:27:08] Saudi princes, he's like I mean I guess
[01:27:11] it's changed over the years, but he's
[01:27:12] we're talking like a multi
[01:27:13] multi-billionaire. In 2017, he was like
[01:27:15] the 40someth richest person in the world
[01:27:17] by Forbes or whoever. Um something like
[01:27:20] 16 or 17 billion net worth if I remember
[01:27:22] correctly.
[01:27:24] He is like the Saudi Bill Gates is the
[01:27:27] way a lot of people referred to him. And
[01:27:28] he owned a 45% stake in the Four Seasons
[01:27:33] Hotel chain. And the Four Seasons Hotel
[01:27:35] chain owns well they like co-operate the
[01:27:38] top I think six floors of the Mandalay
[01:27:40] Bay above where Paddock was um allegedly
[01:27:44] where Paddock's room was.
[01:27:46] And so the theory started to dig into
[01:27:49] people started to look at this like,
[01:27:50] well, so we have a faction, this sort of
[01:27:53] Wahhabi hardliner faction that we know
[01:27:55] would willingly kill massive numbers of
[01:27:58] Americans for whatever reason. Even if
[01:28:00] it's just incidental to something else,
[01:28:02] they would be happy to kill Americans.
[01:28:04] It's not like every Saudi Arabian person
[01:28:06] is this way. That's not what's being
[01:28:07] claimed by anyone. It's that there are
[01:28:10] there are people with legitimate
[01:28:12] terroristic ideologies in those factions
[01:28:14] >> and they're very opposed to NBS.
[01:28:16] >> They're very opposed to MBS. They to
[01:28:18] them it's an existential threat. They
[01:28:20] need to and they're not quiet about
[01:28:22] that. They have been talking about that
[01:28:23] for 2 years and more.
[01:28:25] >> Um and the clock is ticking because
[01:28:28] NBS's dad is going to abdicate and NBS
[01:28:30] is going to take the throne. And NBS
[01:28:32] knows this. And so in the months leading
[01:28:33] into this shooting, NBS is actually
[01:28:35] going after them. He's seizing some of
[01:28:37] their money. He's restricting their
[01:28:38] travel. He's reallocating power and
[01:28:40] consolidating power very actively and
[01:28:42] overtly. Not like we have to assume this
[01:28:45] was happening. We know that those things
[01:28:46] were happening. [snorts] And so their
[01:28:49] their clock is ticking ticking and their
[01:28:51] window of power and freedom is closing
[01:28:53] cuz they're getting their travel
[01:28:55] restricted. They're getting their, you
[01:28:56] know, elements of power being taken from
[01:28:58] them. And so you actually are looking at
[01:29:01] a faction that is willing to do the
[01:29:03] thing we see being done with motive to
[01:29:06] do it in the time frame that we see it
[01:29:08] done in.
[01:29:09] And then we have this window of lack of
[01:29:12] information of where was MBS at the
[01:29:14] time. And we don't know. We we talked
[01:29:16] about that video that was probably just
[01:29:18] kind of misinformation fed in. We do not
[01:29:20] know if he was in Las Vegas at the time.
[01:29:22] No one has shown anything to prove that
[01:29:23] he was or wasn't. It is worth noting
[01:29:25] that his brother uh his son KBS is KBS
[01:29:29] his son or his brother. Khaled bin
[01:29:31] Salman, he was the ambassador to
[01:29:33] America. Yeah,
[01:29:34] >> I think he's his I think he's his
[01:29:35] younger brother.
[01:29:36] >> I think that's correct.
[01:29:37] >> Um Khaled bin Salman, I think is his
[01:29:38] name. He is the ambassador to the United
[01:29:40] States for Saudi Arabia. And he is very
[01:29:43] much in the same faction. So
[01:29:46] various people think that this has to do
[01:29:48] with MBS. Some people think it has to do
[01:29:49] with his brother Khaled bin Salman, but
[01:29:52] we don't really know if they're there or
[01:29:54] not.
[01:29:56] But right after this mass shooting
[01:29:59] happens and whatever the hell it was,
[01:30:03] bin Salman goes on this what was called
[01:30:06] the Saudi purge and it includes the
[01:30:08] night of a thousand swords as this like
[01:30:10] kind of mythical night where he he my
[01:30:14] understanding is that he invites all of
[01:30:15] the crown princes in for something like
[01:30:18] it was like what was it? they were going
[01:30:20] to um unveil something or he had this
[01:30:25] like weird event planned. Oh, it was
[01:30:27] that they were going to give uh
[01:30:30] citizenship to an AI robot named Sophia.
[01:30:34] It's this very bizarre little side quest
[01:30:36] where he's like, "We're going to be the
[01:30:37] first nation to give citizenship to a
[01:30:39] robot is my understanding here." And so
[01:30:41] it's like this big like and everybody
[01:30:43] come here and we're going to have this
[01:30:44] big party kind of thing. And then he
[01:30:46] locks them all in a hotel and he car and
[01:30:50] there's this whole there's all this lore
[01:30:52] and legend around it that like you have
[01:30:54] to kind of sort through to figure out
[01:30:55] what really happened and what is like
[01:30:56] storytelling. But it's what really did
[01:30:59] happen is that over that night and then
[01:31:01] the weeks and months following he seized
[01:31:03] billions and billions and billions of
[01:31:05] dollars of assets from all of these
[01:31:06] hardliner guys. all these guys that are
[01:31:09] aligned with these people that had been
[01:31:10] slighted, people that had been rep like
[01:31:12] that he had sort of stepped in their
[01:31:14] places of people that would hate him and
[01:31:16] want him dead. And it it totaled up to
[01:31:17] almost $200 billion confirmed that he
[01:31:20] that he has seized from all these
[01:31:21] different people over the you know that
[01:31:23] this year two time frame here after the
[01:31:26] shooting he uh a couple of them die in
[01:31:30] mysterious things like plane like uh
[01:31:32] helicopter crashes. Um, some of them are
[01:31:35] so for example there's this I guess it's
[01:31:38] a story but it's like corroborated by a
[01:31:40] bunch of reporting and journalism and I
[01:31:42] think it's intentionally leaked out
[01:31:44] because he wants bin Salman wants
[01:31:46] everyone to know this story that he
[01:31:49] takes Alwali bin Tal the guy that owns
[01:31:51] the Four Seasons Hotel with the richest
[01:31:53] of all of these hardliner princes that
[01:31:55] is against him and he strings him up by
[01:31:59] his feet and he actually gets Blackwater
[01:32:01] guys apparently military contractors
[01:32:03] from Blackwater, American military
[01:32:05] contractors over there and they torture
[01:32:07] him. They hang him up by his feet and
[01:32:08] they torture him for who knows how long,
[01:32:10] maybe days, um, beating him and and all
[01:32:13] this stuff and humiliating him. And we
[01:32:15] don't really know what comes of it, but
[01:32:17] his assets are stripped. Um he's
[01:32:20] basically his power is neutered and
[01:32:23] that's done to a a number of people but
[01:32:26] there's a lot of lore around what was
[01:32:27] done to bin Talal and there's a lot of
[01:32:30] theorizing by American journalists
[01:32:32] around this Las Vegas shooting that bent
[01:32:33] Tal might have been sort of the big
[01:32:35] money and sort of the the big guy behind
[01:32:39] a big element of the planning of this
[01:32:40] thing because it starts to be the theory
[01:32:44] starts to be maybe it was an
[01:32:45] assassination attempt on bin Salman or
[01:32:48] his other
[01:32:50] we don't know for sure but what we do
[01:32:52] know is there was another assass there
[01:32:54] was an assassination attempt later that
[01:32:56] year I think it was in uh or I guess it
[01:32:58] would have been the next year it was in
[01:33:00] June of the of 2018 I believe and it was
[01:33:03] at the palace in Riad and there's video
[01:33:07] footage of it and once again it's like
[01:33:10] one of these moments where actually it's
[01:33:12] like automatic gunfire going off and
[01:33:13] like like kind like I don't know if
[01:33:15] there's explosions but it's like and
[01:33:17] they they stormed the the palace and
[01:33:19] tried to kill Muhammad bin Salman. And
[01:33:21] actually, it's pretty well speculated
[01:33:24] that he actually got shot at some point
[01:33:25] in that uh assassination attempt because
[01:33:28] he disappeared from the public eye for
[01:33:30] like 8 weeks or 12 weeks or something
[01:33:32] like that.
[01:33:33] >> [snorts]
[01:33:33] >> Um, and so,
[01:33:36] so you start to put these pieces of this
[01:33:38] puzzle together, just the contextual
[01:33:41] stuff around it, where we don't know for
[01:33:43] sure that he was there that night, and
[01:33:44] we don't really have evidence of
[01:33:47] anything super concrete Saudi there
[01:33:50] until we talk about the helicopters.
[01:33:53] But we do have context for this turf,
[01:33:56] this war over immense power and wealth.
[01:33:58] And we do have context for why they
[01:34:01] might be there in this hotel, this
[01:34:03] location. We do have context for there
[01:34:05] are assassination attempts happening on
[01:34:07] his life um obviously by those factions.
[01:34:10] And then a year to the day to the almost
[01:34:13] to the hour maybe after the Las Vegas
[01:34:17] shooting happens, Jamal Kosigible gets
[01:34:20] chopped up into little pieces
[01:34:23] over in the embassy.
[01:34:23] >> That was a year to the day.
[01:34:25] >> To the day,
[01:34:26] right? Was it was it in 2018 or was it
[01:34:28] after that? Was it 2019 or 2020?
[01:34:30] >> I don't I don't recall. I think it was
[01:34:32] around 2018.
[01:34:33] >> I think it was 18. And what I but what
[01:34:35] I'm remembering is specifically John
[01:34:36] Coen's reporting on this because he this
[01:34:38] is one of the things that he zeroed in
[01:34:39] on that people then were like whoa.
[01:34:42] Because when you account for the time
[01:34:44] zone difference from where he was he in
[01:34:47] Turkey, I think it was.
[01:34:48] >> He was in Istanbul.
[01:34:49] >> In Istanbul, right? And when you account
[01:34:50] for the time difference, it's like
[01:34:52] pretty damn close to actually cuz he got
[01:34:54] he got chopped up. I believe it was on
[01:34:56] October 2nd, but when you account for
[01:34:58] the time difference, it was actually the
[01:34:59] night of October 1st, the exact
[01:35:02] anniversary of this
[01:35:04] shooting, this possible assassination
[01:35:07] attempt. It's like, okay, well, what
[01:35:08] does Jamal Kosigible have to do with
[01:35:10] this? Well, the Kosogible family is this
[01:35:14] deep power family in Saudi Arabia. Um,
[01:35:17] Anan Koshogi famously was this one of
[01:35:19] the world's most powerful arms
[01:35:21] traffickers that did business with
[01:35:22] Jeffrey Epstein and sold Trump his boat
[01:35:24] and all these things. Um, but they were
[01:35:26] tied in much more significantly
[01:35:28] politically than that. And Jamal
[01:35:30] specifically before he was a journalist,
[01:35:33] you know, working for the Washington
[01:35:34] Post, he was actually working for the
[01:35:37] head of Saudi intelligence, um, I guess
[01:35:40] doing journalism for him, right? And
[01:35:43] then you actually go further back and
[01:35:46] some of these guys dug up reporting and
[01:35:48] photographs, news reporting with
[01:35:50] photographs that he was actually in the
[01:35:51] Mujahaden hanging out holding a rocket
[01:35:53] launcher way back in the day.
[01:35:55] >> Well, he certainly supported those
[01:35:57] elements. There's no doubt about it.
[01:35:58] Even though his life didn't mirror their
[01:36:01] their beliefs, but there's no I don't
[01:36:05] know the answer, but there's no question
[01:36:08] that he was not murdered because of his
[01:36:10] Washington Post columns.
[01:36:12] Exactly. It's
[01:36:13] >> like so stupid.
[01:36:14] >> And so the question becomes
[01:36:14] >> he was critical of NBS and the
[01:36:16] Washington Post like they care.
[01:36:18] >> Exactly.
[01:36:19] >> No, there's more than that.
[01:36:20] >> And so then you start to ask yourself
[01:36:21] the question is like what why was he
[01:36:24] murdered? Not just murdered, but why was
[01:36:25] he murdered so brutally and
[01:36:28] intentionally in a place that was like a
[01:36:30] public spectacle. And it looks like it's
[01:36:32] to send a message. It very much looks
[01:36:35] like it's to send a message. And you
[01:36:37] start to wonder like, okay, well, when
[01:36:40] he does the night of the thousand
[01:36:42] swords, when he grabs when he, you know,
[01:36:44] confiscates all these people's wealth,
[01:36:45] he strings bin Tal up by his feet and
[01:36:48] beats him and then seems to
[01:36:49] intentionally let that story get out.
[01:36:52] Um, and then this really public murder
[01:36:55] of this other guy that's aligned with
[01:36:56] those factions happens on the like
[01:36:59] one-year anniversary of this event. you
[01:37:01] start to see this triangulation of
[01:37:04] vengeance of something there. And this
[01:37:09] is obviously speculation to connect all
[01:37:10] of these things, but this context
[01:37:12] matters because again, 60 people were
[01:37:15] murdered and there is an explanation and
[01:37:17] it's obviously not the mainstream
[01:37:19] narrative. But then you have to explain
[01:37:21] how did 60 people die and why. And there
[01:37:24] there's a reason for everything. Even if
[01:37:26] it's like even if it's an asteroid just
[01:37:28] boom random collision, there's still an
[01:37:30] explanation for why it happened. And so
[01:37:33] you need to find a scenario that
[01:37:36] actually is reality that does fit with
[01:37:39] the facts that are true that explains
[01:37:42] the horrific thing that we saw. And
[01:37:44] you're starting to see the reason why
[01:37:46] this theory took so much root and why so
[01:37:47] many people are interested in it, myself
[01:37:50] included, is that it explains how you
[01:37:53] could do something so horrible to
[01:37:54] innocent American civilians. But it also
[01:37:57] explains all the other weird operations.
[01:37:59] Not that we know for sure what happened
[01:38:01] in all those hotels, but that you start
[01:38:03] to understand why you would have,
[01:38:06] you know, reports of armed gunmen in
[01:38:08] like tactical gear over there and over
[01:38:11] there and over there at the airport. why
[01:38:13] you have these weird helicopters going
[01:38:14] on. Okay, so the helicopters. So I said
[01:38:18] just to recap super quick,
[01:38:21] >> the story you're telling is remarkable,
[01:38:22] by the way. Um, and it it does seem to
[01:38:25] fit
[01:38:26] >> all kinds of disperate pieces together
[01:38:28] into what appears like a coherent hole,
[01:38:30] but you don't know. So I said, "Do we
[01:38:32] know that MBS or his brother or any of
[01:38:34] his relatives were in town that day?"
[01:38:36] No, we don't. But you said there's the
[01:38:39] question of the helicopters, which I
[01:38:41] think you've already made a compelling
[01:38:42] case were involved in the shooting.
[01:38:44] >> Yeah.
[01:38:45] >> What do you mean? What helicopters?
[01:38:47] >> So,
[01:38:49] we know that there are helicopters in
[01:38:50] the air that don't show up on on the
[01:38:52] transponder data. And we know that
[01:38:54] there's weird transponder data on
[01:38:55] helicopters that came from the Maverick
[01:38:58] and Sundance helicopter tour operators
[01:39:00] and all that.
[01:39:02] But
[01:39:04] the question is is
[01:39:08] even before you have seen John Cohen's
[01:39:10] research on the fact that there's some
[01:39:11] helicopters that never have transponders
[01:39:13] on that aren't on any of the flight
[01:39:14] radar data as in like there's literal
[01:39:16] ghost helicopters there that seem to be
[01:39:18] shooting. Before you even know that, if
[01:39:21] you're speculating that like there's
[01:39:22] some foreign assassination kind of
[01:39:24] attempt in there and there's helicopters
[01:39:26] involved, it's like, well, where the
[01:39:27] hell did they get the helicopters? How
[01:39:29] do you get helicopters halfway around
[01:39:30] the world from Saudi Arabia? like you
[01:39:32] can't just fly over the ocean in a
[01:39:33] helicopter and go shoot someone.
[01:39:36] And so these guys started to look into
[01:39:39] it. And this is very this is directly
[01:39:41] taken from the research of John Coen and
[01:39:42] Jason Goodman um who did amazing work on
[01:39:45] this stuff. Uh like we all owe them a
[01:39:48] great debt on this because they started
[01:39:50] to look where would they like are there
[01:39:52] helicopters around and they stumbled
[01:39:54] across a thing called Operation Red
[01:39:56] Dawn. It turns out that for the entire
[01:40:00] month of August, the month before, well,
[01:40:04] one whole month before the shooting, um,
[01:40:08] this hotel called the W in Las Vegas was
[01:40:10] rented out for the Saudi Royal Air Force
[01:40:14] because they were bringing their guys
[01:40:16] over to actually do a giant training
[01:40:19] operation, a joint training operation in
[01:40:21] this thing called Operation Red Dawn in
[01:40:23] the desert outside of Las Vegas.
[01:40:26] Um,
[01:40:29] simultaneous to that, Saudi Arabia had
[01:40:32] done this gigantic weapons deal with
[01:40:34] American defense contractors and I mean
[01:40:37] America because you have to go through
[01:40:38] our government in order to do those
[01:40:40] contracts as you know and they had
[01:40:42] bought a whole bunch of military
[01:40:43] hardware from various defense
[01:40:45] contractors and that included a whole
[01:40:47] bunch of helicopters from Boeing and
[01:40:50] there's this new kind of helicopter that
[01:40:52] had just been designed by Boeing called
[01:40:54] the AH6i. I that was just finishing its
[01:40:58] first run of production and it had not
[01:40:59] been delivered to anyone else yet in the
[01:41:01] world. Um, and you can look these things
[01:41:02] up. They're these like compact. They're
[01:41:05] like combat stealth reconnaissance
[01:41:08] helicopters designed to be extremely
[01:41:10] mobile, extremely small. You can you can
[01:41:12] fold the rotors up and pack them into a
[01:41:14] shipping container like on a truck and
[01:41:16] they can just slide right into a truck
[01:41:17] back. Um, but they also can have
[01:41:20] miniguns on them. They are extremely
[01:41:22] stealthy. They're very quiet. They're
[01:41:24] very small. They have like just two
[01:41:25] seats in them. Um, so they are sort of
[01:41:29] uh a a really specific type of
[01:41:32] helicopter that was just getting
[01:41:33] finished in 2017. Like they were
[01:41:36] delivering their first shipments in
[01:41:37] 2017. And they were actually there at
[01:41:40] this operation, Operation Red Dawn,
[01:41:42] where the entire Saudi Royal Air Force
[01:41:44] was in the Las Vegas area just like a
[01:41:47] month before this shooting goes down.
[01:41:49] Um, like one two to one month before the
[01:41:52] shooting goes down. And
[01:41:55] people did all sorts of digging into
[01:41:57] like the description of the helicopters
[01:41:58] from victims and the the what these
[01:42:00] helicopters look like. They've got this
[01:42:02] giant camera bulb on the bottom. But the
[01:42:04] fact is that it's like, oh, wait a
[01:42:05] minute. There's literally Saudi
[01:42:07] helicopters stationed right over there
[01:42:09] in the desert just to hop away from
[01:42:12] Vegas for this giant operation where the
[01:42:14] Saudi like Royal Air Force is literally
[01:42:16] been on location just before this thing
[01:42:19] goes down. And those helicopters are
[01:42:22] specifically a kind of helicopter. You
[01:42:24] couldn't do this with a Blackhawk, for
[01:42:25] example. But you could pack one of those
[01:42:27] helicopters into a box truck and drive
[01:42:29] it off into the desert and just park it
[01:42:31] there and no one would ever know there's
[01:42:32] a helicopter parked there cuz it's
[01:42:33] inside of a box. And then you can just
[01:42:35] take it out, unfold the rotors, and
[01:42:37] you're off.
[01:42:39] >> Amazing.
[01:42:40] >> And so it's like, wait a minute, what?
[01:42:42] Because because again you have to remind
[01:42:44] yourself that that in
[01:42:46] journalism in the pursuit of truth
[01:42:50] you have to find true circumstances
[01:42:52] which you can evidence
[01:42:54] hopefully corroborate as well by
[01:42:56] multiple sources that explains what
[01:42:58] you're seeing. And what we saw is we
[01:43:02] have footage of helicopters. We have
[01:43:04] reports of helicopters
[01:43:07] and we have flight transponder data that
[01:43:09] seems to indicate
[01:43:11] at least some helicopter activity that's
[01:43:13] suspicious from the airfield. But pretty
[01:43:17] good evidence that there's helicopters
[01:43:18] that aren't even transpondered on. And
[01:43:21] when you hear that gunfire, it's like,
[01:43:23] "Oh, that would explain why the gunfire
[01:43:25] sounds like beltfed m machine guns cuz
[01:43:28] that's what's on these kinds of
[01:43:29] helicopters." That would explain why we
[01:43:32] see these flying things coming around
[01:43:34] behind the Mandandalay Bay and going
[01:43:36] with little lights in the back like off
[01:43:38] in the darkness. That would explain why
[01:43:40] there's trajectories of fire that are
[01:43:42] coming down directly from overhead on
[01:43:44] some of these people. Yes,
[01:43:45] >> that would explain why
[01:43:47] like it would start to fit into a
[01:43:49] narrative where at at the helicopters
[01:43:51] that we do know were on the transponder
[01:43:53] data, [snorts] there's a couple groups
[01:43:55] of them, there's one group of three that
[01:43:57] takes off earlier in the night. They
[01:43:58] take off from by the tour helicopter
[01:44:00] operator and they fly over to the
[01:44:02] Mandalay Bay and hover over top of it
[01:44:04] and they turn their transponders off.
[01:44:06] And their transponders are off for the
[01:44:07] entire shooting. And then their
[01:44:08] transponders turn back on after the
[01:44:10] shooting is over and they fly over and
[01:44:12] join this group of eight that are taking
[01:44:15] off in the minutes after the shooting
[01:44:17] and flying north away from the strip.
[01:44:20] >> We know that.
[01:44:21] >> Yeah, it's on Yeah, the you can go and
[01:44:23] watch all the footage. people record
[01:44:24] multiple people corroborated it and
[01:44:25] recorded it from flight radar 24 at the
[01:44:28] time. Now, uh, transponder data is only
[01:44:31] historically kept for up to like 3
[01:44:33] years, I think. And Flight Radar 24 is
[01:44:35] the most has the widest time horizon. If
[01:44:38] you pay the $500 membership, um, you can
[01:44:41] get, I think, three years of data. So,
[01:44:42] it's long gone now from public access,
[01:44:45] but many many different journalists uh
[01:44:48] published video footage of these uh this
[01:44:51] transponder data, corroborated it
[01:44:53] between each other. And yeah, we we know
[01:44:56] that
[01:44:57] lots of weird helicopter stuff happened
[01:44:59] on the transponder data. And then that's
[01:45:02] where John Cullen took it one step
[01:45:03] further and triangulated everything and
[01:45:05] and realized that he pretty well proved
[01:45:07] that even aside from that, we have
[01:45:08] helicopters that aren't those ones at
[01:45:11] times when we know where all those ones
[01:45:13] are. And there's I still see a
[01:45:14] helicopter in this footage right now
[01:45:16] that has flashing what looks like
[01:45:18] gunfire. Um, [snorts]
[01:45:20] we also have a plane on that transponder
[01:45:22] footage that is flying under the call
[01:45:25] sign of a Southwest Boeing 747
[01:45:28] and it flies over the airport and then
[01:45:30] does a right turn the way a helicopter
[01:45:31] would and then flies over the Mandalay
[01:45:33] Bay or I guess it was the Delano, not
[01:45:35] the Mandalay Bay for this one and then
[01:45:36] it hovers over the Delano for a while
[01:45:39] and then it goes off and it's under the
[01:45:42] call sign of a Southwest passenger plane
[01:45:44] like a Boeing 747
[01:45:46] that also was somewhere else at the time
[01:45:48] >> but it's a helicopter.
[01:45:49] It's obviously a helicopter just by the
[01:45:51] way it flies when it's obviously a
[01:45:53] helicopter because it
[01:45:54] >> so fixed wing aircraft don't hover.
[01:45:55] >> Yeah. Yeah. You know, you know,
[01:45:57] >> they tend to fall out of the sky you fly
[01:46:00] around America on that one can't hover.
[01:46:02] But this one could. This one though was
[01:46:04] apparent,
[01:46:07] you know, passenger plane. It flew and
[01:46:10] took a hard right turn at speed over top
[01:46:13] of the airport and then went and hovered
[01:46:14] over the Delano uh and then went took
[01:46:17] off. So, we have all this weird
[01:46:19] going on in the air and
[01:46:22] and so it starts to corroborate the idea
[01:46:24] that helicopters are involved and
[01:46:26] there's more than and there appears to
[01:46:28] be more than one thing of helicopters
[01:46:30] going on because you can't you can't
[01:46:32] explain helicopters shooting civilians
[01:46:34] from helicopters that are taking off
[01:46:35] from Sundance and uh I always forget the
[01:46:39] other one. Um from these like tour
[01:46:42] operators, right? Um,
[01:46:45] Maverick and Sundance are very much a
[01:46:48] part of the community there. They run
[01:46:49] tours all over the all over Vegas every
[01:46:52] single day. Their helicopters are known
[01:46:54] at the airport. The air traffic control
[01:46:56] knows them. They talk to them all the
[01:46:57] time, right? And we do have some weird
[01:46:59] going on with air traffic control.
[01:47:01] We do have the audio of air traffic
[01:47:03] control. And air traffic control didn't
[01:47:05] even know that the shooting was happened
[01:47:07] until like several minutes after it had
[01:47:09] finished. And we have the audio of it.
[01:47:11] It's it's almost tragic as the shooting
[01:47:14] is happening, they're just directing
[01:47:15] traffic like normal. And then as the
[01:47:18] shooting is sort of finishing, um like
[01:47:20] right around 1014, 10:15, 10:16, air
[01:47:24] traffic control starts asking the
[01:47:26] helicopter operators cuz there's these
[01:47:27] tour operators that are apparently
[01:47:28] launching tour helicopters at the time.
[01:47:30] It's like, "Hey, Sundance or Maverick,
[01:47:33] can can you see what's happening over at
[01:47:34] that concert over there? What's going
[01:47:35] on? I see a lot of it's like police
[01:47:37] lights and stuff." and they're like kind
[01:47:38] of chattering back and forth of like,
[01:47:39] "Yeah, I think the concert just got out,
[01:47:40] but unbeknownst to them, 60 people are
[01:47:42] dead on the ground and the shooting has
[01:47:44] already fully happened and everything
[01:47:45] is, you know, at least that part of
[01:47:48] everything is done." And then they start
[01:47:51] to get like in the next like 8 minutes,
[01:47:53] they start to realize what the hell's
[01:47:54] going on. And then air traffic control
[01:47:57] starts rerouting everybody and starts
[01:47:59] trying to deal with it, keeping the
[01:48:00] runways clear. And then it's like the 30
[01:48:02] minutes later where air traffic control
[01:48:03] comes through and says, "We have an
[01:48:04] active shooter on the runway." And then
[01:48:05] they ask to turn the lights off.
[01:48:08] So that's where it became like if
[01:48:12] helicopters are shooting people, you
[01:48:13] need to figure out where those
[01:48:14] helicopters came from because they
[01:48:16] almost certainly didn't come from these
[01:48:17] tour helicopter operators,
[01:48:19] >> right?
[01:48:20] >> Where we haven't even talked about the
[01:48:21] shooting that happened in those hangers,
[01:48:23] by the way, that was
[01:48:24] >> shooting in the hangers.
[01:48:25] >> Multiple people reported shootings in
[01:48:26] those hangers and in other hangers in
[01:48:28] the airport as well, but we can come
[01:48:30] back to that.
[01:48:31] >> Wait, were those Do we know anything
[01:48:33] about those shootings? All we know is
[01:48:34] that there were three different 911
[01:48:37] calls that came in sequentially that
[01:48:39] were from relatives and friends of
[01:48:41] people that were in the hangers because
[01:48:42] apparently the people in the hangers
[01:48:44] were trying to call 911 and couldn't get
[01:48:45] through almost as though they were being
[01:48:47] jammed or something like that somehow
[01:48:49] got comms out or something and that and
[01:48:51] so it was like a boyfriend of a girl
[01:48:52] that was in there and it was reported
[01:48:54] that there was a woman down who had been
[01:48:56] shot. Um we don't know if she died or
[01:48:59] not. We don't we don't have an autopsy
[01:49:00] from any woman that died in those
[01:49:01] hangers, but it was that a woman had
[01:49:04] been shot and that there were gunmen in
[01:49:06] the hangers somewhere and there was a
[01:49:08] bunch of civilians trying to hide from
[01:49:10] them, trying to sort of like like run
[01:49:12] and hide from
[01:49:13] >> Is this during the shooting at Mandalay
[01:49:15] Bay?
[01:49:15] >> This those calls all come after the
[01:49:17] shooting at Mandalay Bay
[01:49:19] >> by a woman down. Okay. So, it's not like
[01:49:22] I mean this whole time I'm thinking,
[01:49:23] well, maybe it's just the echo of shots
[01:49:27] fired into the
[01:49:28] >> We have a woman down in that hanger. We
[01:49:30] have uh we have guns picked up in the
[01:49:32] street and handed to police officers in
[01:49:34] other parts of the city. We have
[01:49:36] >> long guns.
[01:49:37] >> No, no, pistols. Um there are magazines
[01:49:39] that are found in other parts of the
[01:49:40] city. Um around the concert venue,
[01:49:42] there's uh AR magazines. There's a
[01:49:45] magazine found out in front of the
[01:49:47] Tropicana. There's a bunch of casings
[01:49:48] found in uh in the parking lot of the
[01:49:50] Tropicana. Um and I've got all sorts of
[01:49:53] video footage of this stuff that I'll
[01:49:54] give to you and you can splice in
[01:49:55] wherever you want. Um and then people
[01:49:58] can go on to that map that I talked
[01:50:00] about and like the vast majority of what
[01:50:01] I'm referring to is on that map and you
[01:50:03] can actually click on it and see the
[01:50:05] footage original for yourselves. And
[01:50:06] then there's also all the gunfire that
[01:50:08] was recorded after the fact and the
[01:50:09] chatter of uh of armed suspects uh
[01:50:12] gunmen in all sorts of places being
[01:50:14] observed. We we know very well that
[01:50:16] there were lots of other things
[01:50:18] happening, but we don't have a lot of
[01:50:20] other bodies except for this woman in
[01:50:22] the uh helicopter hanger um that was
[01:50:27] allegedly shot. We don't know she died.
[01:50:29] >> We don't know anything about her.
[01:50:30] >> I I don't know anything about her. Yeah.
[01:50:32] I don't think that we ever got any
[01:50:33] answers on that.
[01:50:34] >> This is the craziest story ever. Um and
[01:50:37] the craziest part is how people just
[01:50:39] sort of let it let it go and didn't
[01:50:41] Biggest mass shooting in American
[01:50:43] history. We never talk about it. No one
[01:50:44] ever followed up on any of this stuff.
[01:50:46] >> No federal agency ever said, "Wait a
[01:50:48] second. We're going to cut off highway
[01:50:49] funding unless you answer these
[01:50:50] questions."
[01:50:51] >> Well, what did happen after it, which is
[01:50:54] kind of where we were there, is that MBS
[01:50:57] goes on this purge of his political
[01:51:00] opposition in Saudi Arabia. The next
[01:51:03] time that Trump flew to Saudi Arabia, he
[01:51:05] got the sword dance welcome, right? Do
[01:51:07] you remember that?
[01:51:08] >> I do.
[01:51:09] >> Yeah. that that is like not a thing you
[01:51:11] just give out to Donald Trump because
[01:51:13] you like him. That is a whole different
[01:51:15] level of respect in Saudi Arabia is my
[01:51:16] understanding. That's where we get that
[01:51:18] photo of Trump with his hand on the
[01:51:19] globe with the other Saudi guys is from
[01:51:21] that trip.
[01:51:22] Also simultaneous to that, Muhammad bin
[01:51:26] Salman invested a what appears to be $2
[01:51:29] billion with a fund started by Jared
[01:51:32] Kushner uh in the year following this
[01:51:35] this shooting, which is an interesting
[01:51:38] choice. Um I mean it's not a completely
[01:51:42] unthought unthinkable choice, but a lot
[01:51:44] of alignments start to happen. Trump has
[01:51:46] been very prombbs for a long time. And
[01:51:49] Alwi, this other guy who owned the the
[01:51:52] uh the Four Seasons and got strung up by
[01:51:54] his feet, he's hated Trump for a long
[01:51:56] time. And there's you can actually he
[01:51:57] there's archived tweets of his that are
[01:51:59] like like Trump, you're a idiot.
[01:52:01] Why would you do this kind of stuff? Um
[01:52:03] [snorts] and so
[01:52:06] after
[01:52:08] this shooting in Vegas, you start to see
[01:52:12] deep alignments strengthen between
[01:52:14] Trump's government and bin Salman and
[01:52:17] bin Salman's government and bin Salman
[01:52:18] is rounding up his political opposition.
[01:52:20] He's modernizing Saudi Arabia. He's
[01:52:22] trying to turn them away from just oil
[01:52:24] and this old Wahhabi way of thinking.
[01:52:27] And it's obvious like from a American
[01:52:30] uh national defense and national
[01:52:32] security standpoint, that's like one of
[01:52:33] the most obvious things you could ever
[01:52:35] desire is for Saudi Arabia to stop being
[01:52:38] sympathetic to al-Qaeda style terrorism,
[01:52:41] right? Because there are factions in
[01:52:43] Saudi Arabia that are still very much
[01:52:44] like no f the infidels. Certainly not
[01:52:46] all of them
[01:52:47] >> for sure. And but you never thought you
[01:52:49] would see it in Saudi Arabia because
[01:52:50] it's the seat of their religion because
[01:52:52] Mecca Medina the top two holy places are
[01:52:55] in the country. Right. So they didn't
[01:52:57] have it was believed that government
[01:52:59] didn't have the latitude
[01:53:00] >> to become more pro- western because
[01:53:03] every Muslim has to go to Mecca. So
[01:53:05] >> exactly.
[01:53:06] >> Um
[01:53:06] >> and so it's an interesting moment in the
[01:53:08] political shifting of the Middle East.
[01:53:10] the world changing
[01:53:12] >> and that's as like the Middle East is
[01:53:14] rising in wealth uh through not all the
[01:53:16] best means like uh there's a whole other
[01:53:18] episode to do about the genocide in
[01:53:19] Sudan and the gold being smuggled to the
[01:53:22] UAE which is uh atrocious but you can
[01:53:24] see it's like it feels like a currency
[01:53:27] shift is coming and it feels like the
[01:53:29] Middle East is rising into their like
[01:53:31] modern incarnation
[01:53:33] >> and it feel it feels like all these
[01:53:34] things are happening
[01:53:36] >> but may I just ask one thing just to I
[01:53:38] mean it's an amazing
[01:53:40] explanation, true or not, but the piece
[01:53:42] that's missing in my mind is why if you
[01:53:45] wanted to murder Muhammad bin Salman,
[01:53:47] would you shoot up a Jason Alen concert?
[01:53:49] That is a good question and that's the
[01:53:51] question that first got me hung up on
[01:53:53] this whole theory. And I don't really
[01:53:56] know. I It's still the most endearing
[01:53:58] mystery of the whole thing to me in that
[01:54:00] we have we've aligned on a story that
[01:54:03] has a perpetrator that we know is
[01:54:05] perfectly morally capable of doing so.
[01:54:08] Like essentially we're saying like kind
[01:54:09] of the most extreme jihadi terrorist
[01:54:12] factions. Yeah. From that that uh that
[01:54:16] is possible but it's like that still
[01:54:18] doesn't explain why it would be a part
[01:54:19] of the plan. Right. And different people
[01:54:22] come to different theories here and none
[01:54:24] of them really satisfy me. Uh
[01:54:28] one is that we have rounds that were
[01:54:30] fired at the fuel tanks at the airport.
[01:54:33] So across from the Mandalay the
[01:54:35] Mandandalay Bay across diagonally ahead
[01:54:38] of it is the concert but across directly
[01:54:40] is the airport beyond the concert and
[01:54:43] there's these giant white fuel tanks
[01:54:45] these giant metal white fuel tanks over
[01:54:47] there that got shot by uh boltaction
[01:54:50] fire and uh I mean the police story is
[01:54:54] that one of them penetrated but didn't
[01:54:56] ignite but it was they they say that
[01:54:58] officially eight rounds were fired at
[01:55:00] the fuel tanks. I don't know how they
[01:55:01] know, eight specifically. Two of them
[01:55:03] hit the fuel tanks, didn't ignite. And
[01:55:06] so there's a certain kind of faction of
[01:55:08] people that think that the goal was to
[01:55:10] ignite those fuel tanks and basically
[01:55:11] explode them, which to me speaks to
[01:55:14] distraction or chaos, like cause
[01:55:16] pandemonium as some reasonable some part
[01:55:19] of a plan. There's a lot of reasons why
[01:55:21] you might want pandemonium in the in an
[01:55:23] ex in something like this, but um it's
[01:55:26] hard to say what that means. But in that
[01:55:30] theorizing, you could then say, "Okay,
[01:55:32] well, if the tanks don't ignite, then
[01:55:34] just shoot the concert goers. That'll
[01:55:35] cause pandemonium." That that's never
[01:55:38] really satisfied my my question or
[01:55:40] curiosity. So, the idea that it was a
[01:55:42] diversion makes I mean, of course,
[01:55:44] >> it does make sense to
[01:55:45] >> do we have any evidence? So, if the
[01:55:48] crown prince was in the hotel, he likely
[01:55:50] would have been above Steven Paddock in
[01:55:52] the Four Seasons portion of the hotel.
[01:55:56] And is so do we have any evidence
[01:55:58] anything weird was going on up there?
[01:56:01] >> Not to my knowledge other than the fact
[01:56:04] that we have helicopters that
[01:56:08] we have helicopters that took off from
[01:56:10] the tour operator, three of them early
[01:56:12] on before everything started that go fly
[01:56:16] over top of the Mandalay Bay and then
[01:56:17] turn their transponders off and they're
[01:56:19] off for the entire duration of the
[01:56:20] shooting.
[01:56:22] Don't really know what happens there.
[01:56:24] Um, we have helicopters that appear to
[01:56:26] be shooting that are circling around the
[01:56:28] Mandalay Bay in the footage and we have
[01:56:31] much later we have reports of a armed
[01:56:34] gunman. First, it's a possible suspect
[01:56:36] on the fourth floor of the Mandalay Bay.
[01:56:38] We're talking like an hour to an hour
[01:56:39] and a half later. And then just shortly
[01:56:41] after that first call. Uh, and it's a
[01:56:44] it's I'm pretty sure this one was
[01:56:46] reported by police, not not like a 911
[01:56:48] call, but like on police radio. I could
[01:56:50] be wrong about that. is it's first it's
[01:56:52] a suspect and then it escalates and a
[01:56:54] few minutes later it's like we have an
[01:56:55] we have a armed uh gunman in the on the
[01:56:58] fourth floor of the Mandalay Bay and
[01:57:00] then we have no
[01:57:02] no follow up on that. We have no context
[01:57:04] of what happened there. Whether that was
[01:57:05] real or not, we don't know. But other
[01:57:08] than that, there's actually a serious
[01:57:09] lack of anything happening in the
[01:57:11] Mandalay Bay. There is the explosive
[01:57:13] breaching of the of the police team
[01:57:16] getting in there. the one SWAT guy with
[01:57:18] his team breaching into Paddock's room.
[01:57:21] Um, that's a question. We don't know.
[01:57:24] But other than that, there's not a whole
[01:57:25] lot of like reported activity.
[01:57:27] >> Right.
[01:57:28] >> One thing that uh I believe it was Colin
[01:57:30] again that noticed this is in the photos
[01:57:34] of the room, he noticed that there were
[01:57:37] loaded AK-47 magazines, AK style
[01:57:40] magazines, but there was no AKs in the
[01:57:42] room
[01:57:44] >> and they were loaded with 7.62 62 by 39.
[01:57:46] They were full. They were completely
[01:57:48] filled. Um, as though you were as though
[01:57:51] you had had AKs that you were going to
[01:57:53] go shoot in the desert, whatever the
[01:57:55] actual explanation for why Paddock
[01:57:56] thought he was there, whatever that was.
[01:57:59] He speculates I don't I don't have a
[01:58:01] better explanation, but John Coen
[01:58:03] speculates that
[01:58:06] the shot that we hear earlier in the day
[01:58:07] that was reported by someone on the
[01:58:09] floor, they said it was like 3:30 or so.
[01:58:12] Someone reported that they heard a shot
[01:58:15] in the Mandalay Bay, a single shot. He
[01:58:18] speculates that that's when Steven
[01:58:20] Paddock was killed. That
[01:58:23] they get in, they open his door. Whether
[01:58:25] it's whether they've already manipulated
[01:58:26] the key cards or they just knock and
[01:58:28] walk in and shoot him, I don't know. But
[01:58:30] this he speculates that that's when
[01:58:31] Paddock was actually killed. But if you
[01:58:34] are if if you're playing out this
[01:58:36] narrative to try to make that make
[01:58:37] sense, if you are Saudi hit squads and
[01:58:42] you walk into this room of paddocks
[01:58:44] filled with all these weapons, you're
[01:58:46] going to pick up the one you're familiar
[01:58:47] with, right? That would make that would
[01:58:50] make sense in my mind.
[01:58:51] >> It would. Has the I should have asked
[01:58:53] this earlier. Has the hotel ever
[01:58:54] released all the relevant surveillance
[01:58:55] footage?
[01:58:56] >> Not a single ounce of it. No. Even
[01:58:59] though there is endless surveillance
[01:59:00] footage, obviously.
[01:59:01] >> Of course. Every every And and it's not
[01:59:03] that they release they didn't release
[01:59:05] footage that disproved people. It's not
[01:59:07] that that that there was 911 calls and
[01:59:09] we were all people were conspiracy
[01:59:10] theorizing. It was like something
[01:59:12] happened in the Bellagio. So they
[01:59:14] released footage that showed nothing
[01:59:15] happened in the Bellagio. That's not
[01:59:17] what happened. They didn't release
[01:59:19] anything
[01:59:20] at all.
[01:59:22] Not
[01:59:23] >> that's incredible.
[01:59:24] >> Yeah. Yeah. And they put gag orders on
[01:59:27] all of their employees and everything.
[01:59:29] It was just this who
[01:59:32] Uh I actually don't remember um at the
[01:59:36] time
[01:59:37] I'm trying to remember if this guy was
[01:59:41] publicly traded.
[01:59:42] >> He got Yeah. This guy got into politics.
[01:59:43] The CEO of MGM he um he sold off Oh
[01:59:48] yeah. Oh yeah. Man, this is the thing
[01:59:50] about this story is there's so many
[01:59:51] details that are like what the The
[01:59:54] CEO of MGM I should almost refer to my
[01:59:56] notes. He sold off 80% of his MGM stock
[02:00:00] like six months before the shooting
[02:00:03] happened. It was uh
[02:00:07] I'm probably gonna get the numbers
[02:00:08] wrong. It was a lot of money, but the
[02:00:09] number 80% I feel pretty dang confident
[02:00:11] about. He sold a shitload of his MGM
[02:00:13] stock in the months leading into this
[02:00:15] shooting. I think it was 6 months
[02:00:16] before. Um he later on was chosen to be
[02:00:22] the head of the COVID task force in Las
[02:00:24] Vegas if I remember correctly. There's a
[02:00:26] lot of insider stuff like that of like,
[02:00:28] >> okay, what the hell is going on?
[02:00:30] >> Has anyone ever asked do you know like
[02:00:33] the US government, the Saudi government
[02:00:35] about any of this?
[02:00:38] >> I mean, other than, you know,
[02:00:40] journalists online, like podcasters that
[02:00:42] have sort of like posed the question,
[02:00:44] um, John John Coen is very fond of
[02:00:46] posing the question. Mindy Robinson made
[02:00:48] a documentary where like she
[02:00:49] rhetorically posed the question very
[02:00:51] angrily of like like what the is
[02:00:53] this guys? Like are we ever going to get
[02:00:55] answers? are you are you ever going to
[02:00:56] answer for this? And obviously there's
[02:00:58] no response to any of that as far as
[02:01:00] I've ever seen. Um I don't think anyone
[02:01:02] has ever really posed the question. And
[02:01:04] I think that
[02:01:05] there, you know, you could explain it as
[02:01:07] a conspiracy theorist of like they never
[02:01:09] it's like they're not going to tell us
[02:01:10] about 911, so why would they? But if you
[02:01:13] when you go the thing that's really
[02:01:14] interesting in my mind about this Saudi
[02:01:16] theory, um which is very much just a
[02:01:18] theory, is that it does explain why it
[02:01:20] would be geopolitically relevant and
[02:01:22] sensitive to this day.
[02:01:24] >> Oh. And why? Like because then you're
[02:01:26] actually talking about US Saudi
[02:01:29] relations right now with the soontobe
[02:01:32] king of Saudi Arabia. You're talking
[02:01:34] about Trump's family relationships
[02:01:37] because Trump was the president at that
[02:01:38] time and he was fresh in and I'm sure
[02:01:40] that he had something to do with if
[02:01:41] that's what happened. I'm sure that
[02:01:43] Trump had something to do with the
[02:01:44] response and the security and whatever
[02:01:47] happened. Um, but then you're also
[02:01:49] talking about USIsrael relations because
[02:01:52] bin Salman's relationship with Israel is
[02:01:54] very different than these this more
[02:01:56] hardliner old school factions
[02:01:58] relationship with Israel, right? And so
[02:02:00] there's all of these relationships that
[02:02:02] shift
[02:02:04] around Trump's presidency in the United
[02:02:07] States and his relationship to bin
[02:02:09] Salman and bin Salman's ascendancy in
[02:02:12] Saudi and their relationship to everyone
[02:02:14] else in the Middle East, which is so
[02:02:15] critical. And so it's like, well, that
[02:02:17] does start to explain in my mind why it
[02:02:20] might not just be that they're covering
[02:02:22] it up because they're embarrassed and
[02:02:24] don't want to tell you, but they might
[02:02:25] actually have this sort of like trump
[02:02:28] card, so to speak, of national security.
[02:02:30] There's like a legitimate reason why
[02:02:31] we're covering this up. So everybody
[02:02:32] shut your mouths
[02:02:33] >> because it's hard like how do you cover
[02:02:35] so those would be the victims in this
[02:02:38] attempted murder if in fact that's what
[02:02:40] it was. I have seen that before where
[02:02:43] people are on the wrong side of, you
[02:02:46] know, an act of violence or the victims
[02:02:48] of it, but they don't want to talk about
[02:02:49] it.
[02:02:49] >> Well, not especially when you're a king
[02:02:50] of some a kingdom so powerful, you don't
[02:02:52] want to expose a weakness. You don't
[02:02:54] want to and also
[02:02:55] >> I've I've seen that
[02:02:56] >> you don't want to I mean, you certainly
[02:02:57] don't want to expose, let alone the what
[02:03:01] is it? Methods, techniques, and of you
[02:03:04] know, the things that intelligence
[02:03:05] agencies don't want to ever give away.
[02:03:06] It's like the way we do covert
[02:03:08] operations and covert extractions and
[02:03:10] all that. But even beyond like giving
[02:03:12] away state secrets like that, it's like
[02:03:14] you also don't want to expose all of the
[02:03:16] collateral damage that was caused in the
[02:03:18] wake of this thing.
[02:03:19] >> Oh, right. Exactly.
[02:03:20] >> Because inevitably, so let's just
[02:03:22] imagine that Muhammad Salman, they tried
[02:03:24] to kill him in Vegas and he was the good
[02:03:26] guy in the story even though, you know,
[02:03:28] that is not what's being said here. Um,
[02:03:30] life is all shades of gray. But it's
[02:03:33] there's almost no version of that story
[02:03:35] where a civilian isn't killed because of
[02:03:37] his team as well and you know an
[02:03:39] American isn't killed because because
[02:03:42] you know the SWAT team wasn't there to
[02:03:43] do that because they were over there
[02:03:44] doing that which by the way where the
[02:03:46] was the SWAT team right? So, now
[02:03:47] that we've gone through all of this
[02:03:50] narrative and and evidence just like
[02:03:52] kind of teasing out and then we come
[02:03:54] back to where was the SWAT team, it
[02:03:57] makes a lot more sense, I bet, in the
[02:03:59] audience's mind. And this is for me.
[02:04:00] This was how my own digging into it
[02:04:02] happened because I came into this naive
[02:04:04] and I look at all this journalism and
[02:04:07] early on I stumble across the body cam
[02:04:09] footage of them breaching the room and
[02:04:11] it doesn't really stick out to me that
[02:04:13] there's only one SWAT guy with them even
[02:04:15] though I acknowledged it but it was like
[02:04:17] that's weird. But then like after this
[02:04:20] snaking journey through trying to learn
[02:04:21] all these other elements of what was
[02:04:23] going on and you start to learn about
[02:04:24] the airport and you learn about the
[02:04:25] other hotels and you learn about the
[02:04:27] possible extraction of like a king. Then
[02:04:30] it's like okay so where was the SWAT
[02:04:32] team?
[02:04:32] >> The possible extraction of a king. Do we
[02:04:34] have any suggestion that that happened?
[02:04:36] >> No. No we do not know. And honestly now
[02:04:39] that I'm mentioning it and I'm kind of
[02:04:40] thinking it through right now. One of
[02:04:42] the only like and I'm not saying this is
[02:04:44] concrete evidence. I'm actually saying
[02:04:46] the opposite because one of the most
[02:04:48] concrete pieces of evidence is that the
[02:04:49] SWAT team was not at the place where
[02:04:52] they should have been. They should have
[02:04:53] been at Steven Paddock's door. This is
[02:04:55] the most This is one of the most uh
[02:04:57] decorated, experienced, and wellunded
[02:05:00] biggest SWAT team one of the biggest
[02:05:01] SWAT teams in America. And they had one
[02:05:03] guy, they had one shooter in one room
[02:05:04] that they should have been breaching.
[02:05:07] But when you actually look at the true
[02:05:09] story, there's all these other things
[02:05:10] happening that might have needed their
[02:05:12] attention more. But
[02:05:14] my understanding is that SWAT is
[02:05:16] actually used for protection of highle
[02:05:18] dignitaries, used for extraction of high
[02:05:21] level like that's the kind of thing that
[02:05:23] I could imagine them actually being
[02:05:25] diverted to, right? Because if this
[02:05:27] event was this more complex thing of
[02:05:29] some sort,
[02:05:30] >> they're not going to send them to
[02:05:31] Stephen Paddock's room. That actually
[02:05:32] that's the last place you want to send
[02:05:33] your SWAT team,
[02:05:35] >> right? Especially once the shooting from
[02:05:37] Paddock's room has stopped because if
[02:05:39] you're already getting reports of
[02:05:41] something going on at the airport or
[02:05:43] like if what we're talking about is
[02:05:45] happening at all then you're probably
[02:05:47] getting reports directly from this
[02:05:49] whoever highle dignitary or person
[02:05:51] that's trying to be assassinated.
[02:05:52] There's probably deeper levels of intel
[02:05:54] being fed to whoever makes the decision
[02:05:56] of where the SWAT team goes.
[02:05:58] >> And so it's you suddenly have a pretty
[02:06:00] obvious explanation of like the SWAT
[02:06:02] team wasn't there because something more
[02:06:03] important was happening.
[02:06:04] >> Yes. And I don't think and we know the
[02:06:06] SWAT team wasn't at the concert. We
[02:06:09] don't have evidence of the SWAT team
[02:06:10] being at the hotels. I don't have any
[02:06:12] evidence of them being at the airport.
[02:06:14] Although we don't really have enough
[02:06:15] evidence to say whether they were or not
[02:06:17] at the airport, but where were they?
[02:06:20] Because that actually I think is one of
[02:06:21] the biggest pieces of this puzzle.
[02:06:23] >> And he would have secret service as
[02:06:24] well.
[02:06:25] >> Right.
[02:06:26] >> So you said about 60 people were killed.
[02:06:28] >> Yeah.
[02:06:29] >> Over hundred I know were shot.
[02:06:31] >> Yeah. I think it was 400 plus were were
[02:06:33] wounded in total.
[02:06:34] >> So that's a lot of survivors. That's a
[02:06:36] lot of families of the of the murdered.
[02:06:38] Have any of them raised these questions.
[02:06:41] >> A lot of them did early on and I think a
[02:06:43] lot of them still do, but a lot of
[02:06:45] people I think feel voiceless and in a
[02:06:47] lot of ways are voiceless. If no one's
[02:06:48] going to go to you, if the media is not
[02:06:50] going to investigate it, if there's
[02:06:52] never going to be a federal
[02:06:53] investigation, then they have no
[02:06:56] recourse. And so what wound up happening
[02:06:58] was independent media started going to
[02:07:00] them. So there was no in the
[02:07:02] >> I mean I was in the fabled mainstream
[02:07:05] media at the time. I don't remember
[02:07:07] anyone really pushing on this very hard.
[02:07:09] Do you know of anyone?
[02:07:10] >> As far as I'm aware, you're the one that
[02:07:12] pushed the hardest.
[02:07:13] >> It wasn't that hard. Yeah.
[02:07:15] >> We did get um hassled by the police in
[02:07:18] Las Vegas, which was striking because
[02:07:21] yeah, you work at Fox News, basically
[02:07:23] pro cop. All the cops know that, you
[02:07:26] know. I've never had any problem with
[02:07:27] any cop. They're always so nice. And I
[02:07:30] think the only time I've ever had a in
[02:07:31] the last 20 years anyway I've ever had a
[02:07:34] hostility from the police was in Las
[02:07:36] Vegas and they tried to block us from
[02:07:38] our camera position which was in a
[02:07:40] vacant lot. I'll never forget this and
[02:07:42] it was at night and they they tried to
[02:07:44] make us leave and
[02:07:45] >> I thought that's I remember saying to
[02:07:47] producer, man, we've never gotten that
[02:07:48] treatment.
[02:07:49] >> Interesting. Were you was it on any
[02:07:51] specific lot like
[02:07:53] >> Yeah, it was part of it was a camera
[02:07:54] shot. We were uh you know we were fa I
[02:07:57] was doing like a standup facing the area
[02:08:00] where the shooting took place
[02:08:02] >> and um
[02:08:04] >> they just weren't about it.
[02:08:06] >> No. And they were weird about it too.
[02:08:08] Really weird about it and hostile
[02:08:10] >> and uh I that was just so striking
[02:08:13] because again if you work at ask anyone
[02:08:15] who works at Fox you know you see cops
[02:08:17] and they're just so nice because
[02:08:18] everyone hates cops except you know the
[02:08:20] Fox News anchors. That's their view
[02:08:22] anyway. So I' I'm never I never
[02:08:23] experienced that before.
[02:08:24] >> Yeah. Yeah. And it was
[02:08:26] >> it was weird.
[02:08:26] >> The whole government just shut up about
[02:08:28] it and the mainstream media. It was like
[02:08:30] 3 days later the story just died. Most
[02:08:32] most horrific mass shooting in American
[02:08:34] history. And those victims like a lot of
[02:08:37] them are still alive, but they're
[02:08:39] paralyzed. A lot of them have brain
[02:08:40] damage. A lot of them like lost limbs or
[02:08:42] eyes or things like that. It's it's a
[02:08:44] real tragedy and it's easy to get into
[02:08:46] conspiracy land only with it. Um, and I
[02:08:49] do think it's important to try to
[02:08:50] uncover what really happened. obviously
[02:08:52] to try to dig out what the hell is this?
[02:08:55] But it's also it's it's easy to lose
[02:08:57] sight of the fact that like that was
[02:08:59] hundreds of Americans and then by
[02:09:01] extension thousands of Americans
[02:09:03] thousands and thousands of Americans
[02:09:04] whose lives will never be the same
[02:09:06] because of that who lost family members,
[02:09:08] lost loved ones and they and these were
[02:09:10] like it it's really sad on that map um
[02:09:14] that I was telling you about Vegas
[02:09:16] shooting map they have death reports of
[02:09:19] a b of like all the victims pinned onto
[02:09:21] the map and it gives you like their age,
[02:09:24] their name, their profession, and in
[02:09:27] some cases it gives you a little
[02:09:28] description of who they were and what
[02:09:29] their life was like and what they were
[02:09:30] doing. And it's just so sad to read
[02:09:33] because like a lot of them is like was
[02:09:35] there with her boyfriend to celebrate
[02:09:36] their anniversary, like was a
[02:09:37] kindergarten teacher or you know, things
[02:09:39] like that. That's just
[02:09:41] >> and and that's where it really hits home
[02:09:42] where it's like you need you need an
[02:09:45] explanation that that explains why
[02:09:46] something so evil would happen.
[02:09:48] >> Yes. And I think that's the endearing
[02:09:50] question that keeps the investigation
[02:09:52] open, but it's also the endearing
[02:09:54] question that makes it makes it so that
[02:09:56] it wasn't solved by just like these
[02:09:58] basic explanations because we easily
[02:10:01] debunked the mainstream narrative. But
[02:10:03] then there was lots of other sort of
[02:10:04] like halfbaked versions of maybe it's
[02:10:07] this, maybe it's this, but none of them
[02:10:08] explained how evil it was and none of
[02:10:10] them explained the scope and scale of
[02:10:12] what it was. And to this day, there's no
[02:10:14] there's no one proven theory. Um, I've
[02:10:16] just sort of laid out what is the most
[02:10:19] explored and I think by my standard the
[02:10:21] most credible version of a theory. Um,
[02:10:24] and a lot of people are pretty much on
[02:10:26] that theory at this point that they
[02:10:27] think that that's the the the one that
[02:10:29] is a version of true. Um, but it's not
[02:10:32] the only theory and uh it's far from
[02:10:36] proven. That's for sure. And it wouldn't
[02:10:39] be I mean there's the thing you ask like
[02:10:42] has there ever been any investigators?
[02:10:44] I'm sure the government already knows.
[02:10:46] >> Of course,
[02:10:46] >> like that's the reason why you get the
[02:10:48] cover up of this magnitude is because
[02:10:49] they know. They know what happened.
[02:10:50] >> It's obvious. Whenever there's not an
[02:10:52] investigation,
[02:10:53] it's not because no one's interested.
[02:10:55] >> Yeah.
[02:10:56] >> Um and we've seen that a lot. In fact,
[02:10:58] we've seen it so much that you sort of
[02:10:59] wonder at what point it's just
[02:11:02] impossible to have like a functioning
[02:11:04] justice system
[02:11:06] >> because nobody believes anything.
[02:11:07] >> Yeah. And it's just over and over again
[02:11:10] when something happens, we feel like
[02:11:12] we're not like like Charlie Kirk is
[02:11:15] months months ago now and to this day I
[02:11:19] think the most Americans still feel like
[02:11:21] we don't have an honest set of answers.
[02:11:24] Um whether you believe it was Tyler
[02:11:26] Robinson or you believe it was some
[02:11:28] version of some other conspiracy. I
[02:11:30] think that a lot of people feel very
[02:11:31] underwhelmed by the way it was handled
[02:11:34] by cash, the way it was handled by every
[02:11:37] government official involved. And that
[02:11:39] should have been the most basic one.
[02:11:40] Well, Sue, I didn't want to talk about
[02:11:42] this because I'm,
[02:11:44] >> you know, I know everyone involved very
[02:11:45] well and
[02:11:47] >> I feel emotional about it and I'm going
[02:11:49] out, you know, day after tomorrow to
[02:11:51] speak at Turning Point at Charlie's
[02:11:52] request.
[02:11:54] >> But, um, I don't So, my the hostility
[02:11:57] that I I don't know what that was. The
[02:12:00] onus is on the government to prove it
[02:12:02] was a lone gunman. Okay? It's that's up
[02:12:04] to them, not up to me.
[02:12:05] >> That's their job.
[02:12:06] >> I'm not accusing anybody. I don't know
[02:12:08] exactly what happened. there was a lot
[02:12:11] of evidence that Tyler Robinson was
[02:12:13] involved, at least from what I read.
[02:12:15] >> Yeah.
[02:12:16] >> Um, if those text messages are real and
[02:12:17] the murder weapon is, you know, like I'm
[02:12:19] willing to believe anything, but I do
[02:12:21] think it's up to them to prove it to us.
[02:12:24] >> Yeah.
[02:12:25] >> Here's what I don't understand. There's
[02:12:27] been an enormous amount of rage,
[02:12:30] uh, you know, different people with
[02:12:32] different views getting mad at each
[02:12:34] other. There's been almost no pressure
[02:12:37] on federal law enforcement to cough up
[02:12:40] the freaking facts and to tell a story
[02:12:43] that makes sense just in that's got
[02:12:44] internal coherence that like, oh, that
[02:12:46] makes sense. Like, I get it.
[02:12:48] >> Exactly.
[02:12:48] >> And there's no pressure on them. Even
[02:12:50] the question of motive, like again,
[02:12:52] >> I want to believe it was a lone gunman
[02:12:54] who was a or something. I want to
[02:12:57] believe that.
[02:12:58] >> A lot better of an answer. A lot more
[02:12:59] comfortable.
[02:13:00] >> 100%. I want that. BY THE WAY, I'm a
[02:13:03] middle-aged man. I'm a normie. I don't
[02:13:05] want to believe anything other than what
[02:13:07] they tell me.
[02:13:08] >> But they've made it impossible for me.
[02:13:11] >> So, but I don't understand the motive.
[02:13:13] Like, they're like, "Well,
[02:13:13] transgenderism," which obviously I'm
[02:13:15] opposed to,
[02:13:16] >> but okay, was he transgender? Was he on
[02:13:20] >> hormones? Was he? How do you go from
[02:13:22] being this seemingly normal person to
[02:13:25] murdering a stranger with almost a dead
[02:13:28] certainty? You'll be
[02:13:29] >> Yeah.
[02:13:30] >> pun. You'll spend life in prison or be
[02:13:31] executed for it. Like that's a lot.
[02:13:33] That's a deep commitment. Okay.
[02:13:35] >> Yeah.
[02:13:36] >> I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Of
[02:13:37] course it does. But like how did it
[02:13:38] happen in this case?
[02:13:39] >> Yeah. And tell us the facts. Right.
[02:13:41] >> Yeah. Yeah. And it's like shut up.
[02:13:43] >> Yeah. And it's like this, it's a
[02:13:44] parallel to the Las Vegas in the sense
[02:13:46] that just one piece of evidence in in in
[02:13:48] the case of Charlie Kirk, it's one piece
[02:13:50] of evidence. In the case of Las Vegas,
[02:13:51] it's like 5 trillion.
[02:13:52] >> Well, the Las Vegas thing, the story is
[02:13:54] just like
[02:13:55] >> Well, what I what I was going to say is
[02:13:56] that the video is we know they have it.
[02:13:59] Like in Vegas, we know that there's
[02:14:01] surveillance footage of the entire city.
[02:14:03] We know that every hotel has footage of
[02:14:05] everything that happened. And we know
[02:14:07] that they could release it and we could
[02:14:09] see these alleged gunmen. could see
[02:14:11] these fake 911 calls, right? And in
[02:14:13] Charlie's case, we know that the camera
[02:14:15] that they released footage of of this
[02:14:17] guy running across the roof, that camera
[02:14:19] sees the whole roof. That camera sees
[02:14:21] the shooting position clearly. I went
[02:14:22] there myself. And so, it's like if you
[02:14:24] have the video of the shooter running to
[02:14:26] get off the roof, you have the video of
[02:14:27] him taking the shot. And so, it's these
[02:14:29] little things where you don't take that
[02:14:31] step to release the evidence that is so
[02:14:34] in our faces to just give a little bit
[02:14:36] of trust to the public to clarify
[02:14:38] things. It's like, why don't you take
[02:14:40] this step for trust? Because like you're
[02:14:42] saying, it's their job to prove these
[02:14:43] things. It's their job to
[02:14:45] >> It's not up It's not up to you or me. I
[02:14:47] mean, I've stayed out of it. Um, mostly
[02:14:49] I've really tried my hardest to stay out
[02:14:51] of it, but I feel emotional about it.
[02:14:53] >> But you're watching the Trump coalition
[02:14:55] turn against itself, eat itself. And
[02:14:59] okay, fine. I mean, there are legitimate
[02:15:00] disagreements, of course. I'm always for
[02:15:02] that. But
[02:15:04] no calls for the FBI or the authorities
[02:15:08] in Utah.
[02:15:10] >> Yeah.
[02:15:10] >> Or the college. Like there's no pressure
[02:15:12] on them. What is that?
[02:15:14] >> Yeah. Well, you wouldn't want to taint a
[02:15:16] jury pool.
[02:15:18] >> That's the dumbest thing I've ever
[02:15:20] heard.
[02:15:21] >> Yep. It's kind of dumb.
[02:15:22] >> Too many crimes I've covered. I was a
[02:15:24] police reporter and like the first thing
[02:15:26] [laughter] that happens is the
[02:15:27] authorities call you up and they tell
[02:15:28] you this exactly what this. They tell
[02:15:30] you their story.
[02:15:31] >> Yep. that taints a jury pool. Yeah, it
[02:15:33] does. In favor of conviction.
[02:15:35] >> Yeah.
[02:15:36] >> So, I've never I mean, I've been around
[02:15:40] this for over 30 years. I'm not an
[02:15:41] expert in anything, but I've certainly
[02:15:43] seen law enforcement respond to a crime.
[02:15:46] >> Yep.
[02:15:46] >> A lot. And I've never heard anybody say
[02:15:49] anything like this. Doesn't make any
[02:15:50] sense. Like, what is it? What does it
[02:15:51] even mean?
[02:15:52] >> Yeah.
[02:15:53] >> And to me, being being like younger and
[02:15:55] newer in this thing, having more naive,
[02:15:58] it's hard growing up. So I'm like the
[02:16:00] quintessential 911 generation. I was
[02:16:02] like 7 8 n I I was what was it 2001? I
[02:16:05] would have been nine when 911 happened.
[02:16:08] And so to me with my life experience
[02:16:10] it's just hard not to be like when you
[02:16:12] see the government act this way it's
[02:16:14] because they're covering up one of these
[02:16:16] things that I don't know what they are.
[02:16:18] >> By the way when I act that way I'm
[02:16:20] covering something up. When you do too
[02:16:21] that's a human thing. If I'm
[02:16:23] >> hiding something if I'm lying about
[02:16:25] something there's a reason. I'm not
[02:16:27] doing it unless I'm like some total
[02:16:29] sociopath freak. I'm not doing it for
[02:16:31] fun. I'm doing it because I'm trying to
[02:16:32] conceal something.
[02:16:33] >> Exactly. And I think that we've just I
[02:16:35] mean, we've always had them throughout
[02:16:37] history. We had them in Vietnam. We had
[02:16:38] them long before that. Like they've been
[02:16:41] everywhere in history. But I don't know
[02:16:44] if it's information increasing the
[02:16:45] frequency that they feel like they're
[02:16:47] happening at or if it's corruption
[02:16:48] increasing as the empire sort of late
[02:16:51] stages itself. But it just feels like
[02:16:53] we're in this era now where every couple
[02:16:55] years we get another one that is so big
[02:16:57] it's hard to imagine a bigger one and
[02:16:59] then boom co hits right and it's like
[02:17:02] what could even be weirder than the and
[02:17:04] it's like I'm not saying that one is
[02:17:05] more important than the other but I
[02:17:07] think it's just striking that over and
[02:17:08] over there's always more gigantic world
[02:17:11] events that feel viscerally like
[02:17:14] cover-ups where there's no reason for
[02:17:16] there to be a cover up of the
[02:17:17] assassination of someone like Charlie
[02:17:20] especially when Trump like who Charlie
[02:17:22] got into power is in power when that's
[02:17:24] their like and it's not like it's
[02:17:26] Trump's job to solve the crime. It's
[02:17:28] just that you know you would hope that
[02:17:30] he has a coalition in place and that his
[02:17:32] government and his FBI and his people
[02:17:34] that they should have no greater uh
[02:17:36] motivation ever than to solve this
[02:17:38] crime.
[02:17:39] >> But what about all of the people who you
[02:17:43] know knew Charlie or who are sad you
[02:17:46] know or every American? Why are they
[02:17:48] turning against each other and not
[02:17:50] against the authorities? that
[02:17:52] >> whose job it is. I would always think
[02:17:54] this about the race crap. It's like
[02:17:56] blacks should hate whites. Whites should
[02:17:58] be afraid of blacks. Okay, got it. No
[02:18:00] one ever mentions like private equity.
[02:18:03] It did feel like a fight amongst
[02:18:05] yourselves scenario. And this does too.
[02:18:09] I think it's exactly what happened
[02:18:10] during co and obviously I have a big
[02:18:12] bias here and people should should only
[02:18:14] listen to me about Charlie Kirk through
[02:18:16] my bias around my reporting on it. But
[02:18:19] to me, it looks like the same sort of
[02:18:21] mass formation psychosis that happened
[02:18:23] during CO. It's just that that was
[02:18:24] better at targeting the left because it
[02:18:26] was like collectivism of collectively
[02:18:28] we're going to protect all the sick
[02:18:30] people and leftists are, you know, never
[02:18:33] mind.
[02:18:33] >> Um, this one is targeting the right
[02:18:36] because they shot our guy and we loved
[02:18:38] Charlie and like and these these damned
[02:18:41] leftists hate us, right? And we've got
[02:18:42] this we've got our leftist guy
[02:18:44] and we hate and and they're whipping it
[02:18:46] up on that and all the news is paring
[02:18:48] the same thing and all of the I'm not
[02:18:50] going to name any names but all the
[02:18:51] talking heads on social media that are
[02:18:53] not independent they're all saying the
[02:18:56] exact same narrative and so you get this
[02:18:57] spiraling narrative that is building
[02:18:59] this
[02:18:59] >> I don't even know what the narrative is
[02:19:00] like I'm happy to buy into your dumb
[02:19:02] narrative just tell me what it is and
[02:19:05] [laughter]
[02:19:06] as I said my preference is for a an easy
[02:19:09] to understand nonsinister or less
[02:19:12] sinister explanation that involves one
[02:19:14] guy. But if you're telling me the
[02:19:16] trainee did this, actually the trainee
[02:19:18] seems to be in federal protection right
[02:19:19] now with no charges against him. Even
[02:19:22] though by the text messages they
[02:19:24] released, he had for he knew about it
[02:19:26] and didn't go to authorities. So how is
[02:19:28] he not an accessory? How why is he under
[02:19:30] protection? What's this? So he can
[02:19:31] testify. We have the text messages. You
[02:19:34] don't need like what? Shouldn't a guy
[02:19:36] who knew about the crime but didn't
[02:19:37] report it, who lived with the gunman,
[02:19:39] shouldn't he be charged with something?
[02:19:40] What about the people who predicted this
[02:19:42] on the internet before it happened?
[02:19:45] >> Where are they?
[02:19:46] >> And like, okay, so I don't really even
[02:19:48] know what the what story are you telling
[02:19:50] me? I don't even get it. Right.
[02:19:53] >> I'm upset.
[02:19:54] >> No, I totally hear it. And it's I think
[02:19:56] it's a rage that a lot of Americans feel
[02:19:58] and they look for outlet because,
[02:19:59] >> right,
[02:20:00] >> some people see this piece that didn't
[02:20:02] make sense and some people see that
[02:20:03] piece that didn't make sense and others
[02:20:04] see others just feel just feel a weird
[02:20:07] vibe from it. But was the shooter
[02:20:09] transgender? Is that what they're
[02:20:10] saying? Okay, then what does that do
[02:20:12] with it all? He became like gay for the
[02:20:15] transgender guy.
[02:20:17] >> But it's just like it doesn't have
[02:20:19] anything to do with it unless you can
[02:20:21] prove with the facts that like he
[02:20:23] actually had the motive, the means, the
[02:20:24] weapon, the location he was.
[02:20:26] >> What was the motive that Charlie had
[02:20:28] said bad things? I mean, look, a few
[02:20:30] times.
[02:20:31] >> I know that people were, you know, the
[02:20:33] left hated Charlie. Fact. They
[02:20:34] celebrated his death. Fact.
[02:20:37] But to kill somebody you've never met,
[02:20:41] it's a pretty abstract thing to do and
[02:20:43] to plan it out and to go through with
[02:20:45] it, right?
[02:20:45] >> 100%. So, you're either completely
[02:20:48] deranged or your ideological motivation
[02:20:51] is so profound, you're a suicide bomber
[02:20:53] basically cuz you know that you're not
[02:20:54] going to you're going to die because of
[02:20:56] your murder. So, that's just such a big
[02:20:59] step. I'm not saying it didn't happen.
[02:21:01] I'm just saying tell me how tell me how
[02:21:03] the 4.0 I know a student that like
[02:21:05] nearly aced his ACT became that.
[02:21:09] >> It's insane. And then the the rage of
[02:21:11] like even asking that question, it's
[02:21:13] like and I never say this, but I just I
[02:21:15] just will say it. I knew Charlie really
[02:21:17] well. Like not you know, not just green
[02:21:18] room friends. Like I knew him really
[02:21:20] well and um and and you know, loved him.
[02:21:23] And so and I know for a fact that his
[02:21:26] whole life was testament to this. He was
[02:21:28] for inquiry, you know, honest questions.
[02:21:30] So people like, "Oh, just asking
[02:21:31] questions." Charlie be like, "Yeah, just
[02:21:33] asking questions as is my birthright."
[02:21:35] >> Yeah.
[02:21:36] >> As an American citizen.
[02:21:37] >> Well, as a human,
[02:21:37] >> yeah, you think. And
[02:21:39] >> so you're so what you're saying is that
[02:21:42] mass formation psychology clearly has
[02:21:44] taken hold among a bunch of people where
[02:21:45] it's like they just can't think clearly.
[02:21:47] >> Well, I don't think that it takes hold
[02:21:48] by accident. I think that it's the kind
[02:21:50] of thing that only happens when you have
[02:21:51] a massive propaganda campaign and a like
[02:21:53] basically a state sponsored operation to
[02:21:57] control the information space is what
[02:21:58] >> well there's definitely I mean there's
[02:22:00] definitely some of that flat out we know
[02:22:03] cuz I'm watching it and I'm not going to
[02:22:07] >> you know whatever I'm going to just shut
[02:22:08] up now because I know too many people
[02:22:10] involved and I and I love them all
[02:22:12] honestly
[02:22:13] >> and it's like with the Vegas shooting
[02:22:15] with a lot of these things it can kind
[02:22:16] of get swept under the rug right it can
[02:22:18] kind of get put away and with Vegas they
[02:22:20] managed to sort of just stop talking
[02:22:22] about it and a lot of like you know
[02:22:24] independent journalists were loud but
[02:22:27] there's a lot of other stuff going on
[02:22:28] and none of them really had massive
[02:22:30] platforms and we weren't in the era of
[02:22:33] the internet we are in today yet and so
[02:22:36] it was enough to just kind of sweep it
[02:22:37] under the rug and they never had to like
[02:22:39] build some big complex alternative
[02:22:41] narrative and flood the zone and have
[02:22:43] shills kind of doing and Charlie's is
[02:22:46] just a different thing and it's like
[02:22:47] each each time like with COVID, we got
[02:22:49] our own slice of what is weird going on
[02:22:51] here. Um, with Vegas, we got our own
[02:22:54] slice of like a cover up, right?
[02:22:56] Different different suspicious crimes
[02:22:57] that aren't explained require different
[02:22:59] cover-ups. And it's it's like everyone
[02:23:02] has their own opinion about what's going
[02:23:03] on with Charlie. I have mine for sure.
[02:23:05] But, um, but the people are getting
[02:23:07] getting wise to this it's not adding up
[02:23:11] thing. Like it it shouldn't be a
[02:23:13] mystery. Like when you have a regular
[02:23:15] crime in your town and you get a regular
[02:23:17] sheriff to come and explain the crime
[02:23:19] and show you the evidence and you get a
[02:23:20] regular court trial about it. I I don't
[02:23:22] think that's usually like some grand
[02:23:24] mystery of like I think that the local
[02:23:26] sheriff is covering up the fact that
[02:23:27] this robbery happened. It's like no,
[02:23:29] it's just like you've got evidence, you
[02:23:31] got photos, you got it is what it is.
[02:23:33] Um, but it's there there's these certain
[02:23:36] moments in history where
[02:23:39] not because everyone's wanting
[02:23:40] everything to always be this way, but
[02:23:42] because sometimes
[02:23:44] the facts don't line up, like they just
[02:23:46] don't line up with what we're told at
[02:23:48] all. And Vegas is one of the most like
[02:23:52] most intensely like powerful, tragic,
[02:23:57] violent, and deadly of all of them. And
[02:24:00] it's one of the ones where the facts
[02:24:01] line up less than any other.
[02:24:03] >> I totally agree. It's one of the most
[02:24:04] I'm actually shocked by this
[02:24:06] conversation
[02:24:07] >> as someone with like a passing
[02:24:08] familiarity with it. I thought, but I
[02:24:10] just didn't realize
[02:24:13] how absurd the story is. Like it's
[02:24:15] absurd. And the crazy part is how much
[02:24:19] there actually is right there open
[02:24:20] source. like just vegasshootingmath.com
[02:24:22] that I was telling you about. Just that
[02:24:24] one web page has just hours and hours
[02:24:28] and hours of stuff that immediately
[02:24:30] disprove the the mainstream narrative
[02:24:33] and there
[02:24:34] >> that's it was all there. I mean
[02:24:36] vaccinated people you knew got co I
[02:24:38] [laughter] mean what I remember this was
[02:24:40] happening all not that I knew a lot of
[02:24:42] vaccinated people I tried not to spend
[02:24:44] time [laughter] with
[02:24:44] >> I was always uncomfortable around the
[02:24:46] vaccinated but um
[02:24:48] >> but I did know some and they all had co
[02:24:50] and I'm like this is clearly a lie and
[02:24:52] then every day you'd be many times right
[02:24:54] [laughter] they never got over because
[02:24:55] they still have co but then you'd watch
[02:24:57] on TV safe and effective you can't get
[02:24:59] co it's like how can they say that I
[02:25:01] just sat like a dog with my jaw open
[02:25:03] like is this am I watching So,
[02:25:05] >> I got to ask you one last question.
[02:25:07] >> Um, so I've never seen anybody is about
[02:25:12] you. I've never seen anybody
[02:25:15] >> sort of come to prominence faster ever
[02:25:18] in our world and that's led to a lot of
[02:25:21] speculation that you're a CIA officer in
[02:25:25] disguise
[02:25:25] >> or I'm like MSAD.
[02:25:26] >> Yeah, MSAD. I hadn't even seen that but
[02:25:28] yeah, probably MSAD I guess. And um
[02:25:32] so I you know my personal explanation is
[02:25:35] you're just an amazing explainer and a
[02:25:37] diligent researcher and you're really
[02:25:40] interested in what's true and those are
[02:25:42] the three qualities that make a
[02:25:43] successful person in our world.
[02:25:45] >> However, it's worth asking like how the
[02:25:48] hell did you get so famous so fast?
[02:25:50] Where did you come from? And how did you
[02:25:51] decide to do this?
[02:25:53] >> Yeah, I uh I've told this story a few
[02:25:54] different times. Um but it's it is it's
[02:25:58] I'll never get used to it. It's wild.
[02:26:00] It's bizarre to go from the life I had 3
[02:26:02] years ago to the life I live right now.
[02:26:05] Um, [snorts]
[02:26:06] but it was a combination of luck and
[02:26:08] skill and timing, I think, as far as I
[02:26:10] can tell in that I did study the social
[02:26:14] media landscape um to try to figure out
[02:26:17] how to get into it cuz I wanted to get
[02:26:18] into it. I at first I thought I was
[02:26:20] going to get into it with ultr running
[02:26:21] content cuz I thought like you need to
[02:26:23] do something unique that's like really
[02:26:25] special. Um, and I thought, well, ultra
[02:26:27] running is cool and unique, but
[02:26:29] ultimately that's not. That's like this
[02:26:30] weird ego mindset. Um, that is not the
[02:26:32] way to do anything in life, least of all
[02:26:34] beyond the internet. Um, and so in doing
[02:26:37] that for about a year.
[02:26:38] >> Can you explain what that means?
[02:26:40] >> Just that that there's a lot of dudes,
[02:26:43] especially women have the same problem,
[02:26:45] but just it presents differently. I
[02:26:46] think there's a lot of dudes with ego on
[02:26:49] the internet trying to show off how
[02:26:50] freaking cool they are, and you should
[02:26:51] subscribe because they're cool. And that
[02:26:54] is a hollow reason to follow someone.
[02:26:56] And it's a hollow way to build an
[02:26:57] audience. And it's a hollow way to build
[02:26:58] your platform, your job, and your life
[02:27:01] because
[02:27:02] inherently it's a it's a it's a dog eat
[02:27:06] dog world where everyone is just out for
[02:27:08] themselves, right? It's a world where
[02:27:09] everyone that's doing it for those
[02:27:10] reasons is just going to try to do
[02:27:12] what's going to make them look the
[02:27:14] coolest and be the best.
[02:27:15] >> And inherently, you're not the coolest.
[02:27:17] You're not the coolest. You're just a
[02:27:19] dude.
[02:27:20] >> We're all kind of absurd, actually. And
[02:27:22] fortunately, by the time I was kind of
[02:27:24] cuz I had worked in kitchens, I'd worked
[02:27:26] in education and teaching. I'd worked
[02:27:27] I'd traveled and done travel work. I'd
[02:27:29] done all sorts of stuff throughout my
[02:27:30] life. And by the time in my early 30s, I
[02:27:33] was kind of wanting to get into this.
[02:27:35] Um, largely because of co cuz I was
[02:27:36] like, "Fuck working in kitchens. I'm
[02:27:38] done with that." And I used to kitchen
[02:27:41] >> uh line cooking, kitchen managing. I
[02:27:43] love cooking on the line. So, cooking
[02:27:45] everything from breakfast cooking to
[02:27:47] pizza to fine dining. Um,
[02:27:49] >> are you a good cook?
[02:27:50] >> Yeah. Yeah. really good cook. Got I mean
[02:27:52] I've got like eight or nine years of
[02:27:54] experience like cooking all sorts of
[02:27:56] different genres. Some really amazing
[02:27:58] co-workers and chefs actually. Oh yeah.
[02:27:59] Yeah. Yeah. And I like worked at a
[02:28:01] handthrown pizza place for a long time
[02:28:03] and I
[02:28:04] >> How did you stay so thin?
[02:28:05] >> Uh I have Crohn's disease.
[02:28:07] >> Oh
[02:28:07] >> yeah. And so it's like that then that's
[02:28:10] actually where the ultra running was a
[02:28:11] really interesting thing is that um for
[02:28:13] me nutrition and health and food has
[02:28:15] always ever since I figured out what was
[02:28:16] going on with my health. Uh nutrition,
[02:28:19] health and food has been a huge part of
[02:28:20] my life of just getting getting right. I
[02:28:22] had no choice, thank God, because then
[02:28:24] once I got my health right, I was like,
[02:28:26] "Wa, it feels amazing to feel regular
[02:28:29] and amazing." And then I just like dove
[02:28:30] into fitness and running and all these
[02:28:32] things. Um, and so by the time I had
[02:28:35] kind of like co had clearly woken me up
[02:28:38] to I don't want a dead-end job and I
[02:28:40] don't want to work in kitchens and I
[02:28:41] don't want to live this life anymore.
[02:28:43] And I used to be a teacher. I was raised
[02:28:44] by teachers. I'm supposed to be like my
[02:28:47] spark is for learning and for like
[02:28:49] sharing learning cuz teaching is not
[02:28:51] really teaching. Teaching is sharing the
[02:28:53] experience of learning. Exactly. Right.
[02:28:54] It's sharing the spark and and I know
[02:28:57] that and I knew that and so and I knew
[02:28:58] that learning happens where people pay
[02:29:00] attention, not where teachers tell
[02:29:02] people to pay attention.
[02:29:03] >> And so if you really want to change or
[02:29:05] inspire kids or like teach kids, you got
[02:29:07] to be where they're looking, which is in
[02:29:09] here.
[02:29:09] >> Yes.
[02:29:10] >> Right. And I knew that four years ago
[02:29:12] when I had kind of stopped my last
[02:29:13] teaching gig, I guess it was like three.
[02:29:15] Um but I was scared to take the leap and
[02:29:18] somewhere during co eventually it was
[02:29:20] just like whatever, I'm into fine, let's
[02:29:23] start. And I started in running content,
[02:29:25] but it was just it was wrong and I knew
[02:29:26] it was wrong. Um, but I learned a lot
[02:29:28] and I studied the industry while I was
[02:29:30] doing it. And then eventually I shut
[02:29:32] that down. I was like, I want cuz
[02:29:36] if you're going to do this, it's going
[02:29:37] to be your day job, right? And so if my
[02:29:40] day job is to like make ultra running
[02:29:41] content and look be really cool and
[02:29:43] stuff, then I have to go on an adventure
[02:29:45] every week. I have to go do some new
[02:29:47] crazy like athletic accomplishment every
[02:29:50] week to try to be cool on the internet,
[02:29:51] which is a horrible thing to do with
[02:29:53] your life. And it turns all of your fun
[02:29:55] adventures into work, right?
[02:29:56] >> Exactly.
[02:29:57] >> And it's a bad business model if you're
[02:29:58] just thinking about a business model.
[02:29:59] And it's like, well, I should be doing
[02:30:01] information for a million reasons. And I
[02:30:04] flipped and switched. Um, and right away
[02:30:07] I I mean I had some skills that were
[02:30:09] really applicable and I had uh a lot of
[02:30:14] luck along the way of people that I met
[02:30:15] and people that saw my stuff and people
[02:30:17] that enjoyed my content, but I had
[02:30:18] really good timing too where I started
[02:30:20] on TikTok right when the censorship
[02:30:21] wasn't too bad and they were pushing
[02:30:23] longer videos. Then I got on to X right
[02:30:25] as Diddy was happening and then Candace
[02:30:27] found my Diddy reporting and kind of
[02:30:28] boosted me there. And then I got into I
[02:30:31] intentionally got onto YouTube after
[02:30:32] Trump was elected so that I wouldn't be
[02:30:34] throttled by old YouTube policies. At
[02:30:37] least that was my theory. Um so I've
[02:30:39] I've had a a mixture of factors, but
[02:30:44] ultimately I don't know, man. It's been
[02:30:45] crazy. It's been a wild ride.
[02:30:47] >> Yeah. I mean, you went from anonymous to
[02:30:49] famous like faster than
[02:30:50] >> It was uncomfortable. Yeah. It's it's
[02:30:52] like the kind of thing where fortunately
[02:30:54] I don't have like I can only imagine if
[02:30:57] you had like some weird up life
[02:30:59] in your past and then suddenly you are
[02:31:00] famous and you're like oh gosh cuz
[02:31:03] fortunately I was just like a hippie
[02:31:04] that ran around in the woods and like
[02:31:05] had taught kids and it's like
[02:31:08] it's like cool whatever I'm perfectly
[02:31:10] proud of my life. I have no issue record
[02:31:12] or anything.
[02:31:12] >> Yeah. Exactly. Nothing. No criminal
[02:31:14] record, nothing crazy. And it and it's
[02:31:16] like but it still is like a weird like
[02:31:19] shift of how you like how your privacy
[02:31:22] is like what does your family think like
[02:31:24] how do you kind of keep your family safe
[02:31:27] from the public eye in general too. Um
[02:31:30] it's just a crazy transition and and
[02:31:32] it's crazy to transition from being able
[02:31:34] to say whatever I wanted when I was
[02:31:35] first starting cuz the whole point was
[02:31:36] to just do like I started the first Tik
[02:31:39] Tok account called cancel this clothing
[02:31:40] company as in like cancel me. I'm going
[02:31:42] to say some crazy I'm just a
[02:31:44] conspiracy theorist. like I'm just going
[02:31:45] to do tin foil, but I was always
[02:31:48] actually just trying to do evidence-
[02:31:49] based trying to figure out what the
[02:31:50] hell's going on out here. And I knew
[02:31:52] that you need permission in yourself to
[02:31:54] to go anywhere in order to figure it
[02:31:56] out. It's like growing up on 9/11, it's
[02:31:58] like, well, what the hell happened
[02:31:59] there? And
[02:32:01] >> and it really teaches you you have to be
[02:32:03] willing to like listen to crazy theories
[02:32:05] and digest crazy ideas and maybe they're
[02:32:07] not true, but you got to make sure
[02:32:08] they're not.
[02:32:10] And so I had thought that like I had
[02:32:11] started this whole thing just kind of
[02:32:13] saying whatever I wanted doing whatever
[02:32:15] I wanted and as I kind of grew really
[02:32:16] really fast it's like holy there's
[02:32:18] a lot of weight and gravity in what we
[02:32:19] do here and it is and we are in a really
[02:32:21] charged and important time and I try to
[02:32:23] hold both those truths at once now
[02:32:25] somehow
[02:32:25] >> so important
[02:32:26] >> because you can't like acquies to the
[02:32:28] gravity of the situation and then like
[02:32:30] stiffen up and become like calcified
[02:32:34] >> and just and just stay within your lines
[02:32:36] and be careful all the time
[02:32:37] >> because sometimes you have to say
[02:32:38] audacious things and sometimes like
[02:32:41] sometimes unbelievable things are what's
[02:32:43] really happening.
[02:32:44] >> You have certainly to think audacious
[02:32:45] things and if you don't if you don't
[02:32:48] allow yourself if you live you know in a
[02:32:51] mental prison you're you know you're
[02:32:53] going to miss things
[02:32:54] >> and you got to stay authentic too. It's
[02:32:56] like if you are if you let you know the
[02:32:59] scope of the task or the scope of the
[02:33:01] audience or whatever limit you and like
[02:33:03] constrain you suddenly you're not
[02:33:04] authentic. You're not doing what you're
[02:33:06] really doing. Um, but also you got to be
[02:33:08] careful to not, you know, be authentic
[02:33:10] in a way that like you will regret,
[02:33:12] which I actually love. My favorite thing
[02:33:14] about this industry and about this
[02:33:15] world, this job is that social media in
[02:33:18] general, and I and I think I'm a huge
[02:33:20] proponent that other people start making
[02:33:22] things online. Um, not everyone should,
[02:33:24] but there's a lot of people that are
[02:33:26] just scared to start, but they're like
[02:33:28] on Twitter anonymously contributing to
[02:33:30] the conversation. I'm like, dude, make a
[02:33:31] video. It's way easier for us to
[02:33:32] interact with you. It's way easier for
[02:33:33] us to understand you. And the reason why
[02:33:35] I think this industry is so wonderful is
[02:33:38] because it's sort of like the it's like
[02:33:39] your whole human self is here in this
[02:33:42] because you're communicating things.
[02:33:44] You're not just communicating facts and
[02:33:45] information of like a journalist. You're
[02:33:47] also communicating like how to live, how
[02:33:49] to be like who are you? Like what's
[02:33:52] going on here? What do you believe?
[02:33:53] Right? People choose what conversations
[02:33:55] to be a part of. But ultimately like who
[02:33:59] you are while you do this journey is
[02:34:01] immensely connected to how good you are
[02:34:05] at the job, right? And how well you
[02:34:07] convey your messaging. Oh, absolutely.
[02:34:08] >> How well you sort of like figure out the
[02:34:10] facts.
[02:34:11] >> And so, and you can go anywhere you
[02:34:12] want. Like I've set up my platform in a
[02:34:14] way where like I can go make running
[02:34:16] content if I want or I can go to a
[02:34:18] burger joint and eat a burger and
[02:34:19] support a family-owned burger
[02:34:20] restaurant. It's like I just launched an
[02:34:22] app that'll let me support family and
[02:34:24] founder own businesses and stuff and and
[02:34:26] it's like I can do anything I want here
[02:34:28] and and the only limiting factor is if
[02:34:31] I'm like whole and healthy and happy and
[02:34:34] true to myself
[02:34:35] >> and there's really no other job like
[02:34:37] that. Teaching is kind of like that and
[02:34:39] that how you show up in the classroom is
[02:34:41] like you're doing this full human
[02:34:43] experience with other humans. Yes.
[02:34:44] Interfacing with them and that's one of
[02:34:46] the coolest things about teaching. Um,
[02:34:48] and in some ways this is very similar,
[02:34:50] but but like making pizzas isn't like
[02:34:52] that. You know, delivering food isn't
[02:34:54] like that.
[02:34:55] >> I've done them both.
[02:34:56] >> Yeah, it's fun. And it's I I highly
[02:34:58] recommend that everyone do like some
[02:35:00] honest real like restaurant work, blue
[02:35:03] collar work, construction work, all that
[02:35:05] kind of stuff. So freaking good.
[02:35:07] >> No, I was forced to do it. Uh, but I
[02:35:10] [laughter] uh just on principal, you
[02:35:12] know, growing up.
[02:35:13] >> I was a pizza delivery boy. I was a
[02:35:15] factory worker.
[02:35:16] >> Yeah. I had a lot of fun
[02:35:17] >> deliver gas station. Yeah, dishwasher.
[02:35:20] But uh no, I I completely agree with
[02:35:22] that. So, where will you be sort of
[02:35:26] starting research next?
[02:35:27] >> I am pretty dedicated to sticking with
[02:35:30] the Charlie thing for a while until we
[02:35:31] figure it out. But it's but that's not
[02:35:34] your question. Um
[02:35:36] >> but well that is my question. I mean so
[02:35:38] that's that's where your energy is
[02:35:39] focused. I
[02:35:40] >> I firmly believe that here's my
[02:35:43] perspective and my bias just to qualify
[02:35:44] what I said before. I'm sure people
[02:35:46] already know this, but I believe that
[02:35:49] what happened there was not what we were
[02:35:51] told. And just like like as with Las
[02:35:55] Vegas, the moment that what you're told
[02:35:56] is not true, a million other things
[02:35:59] immediately come into play cuz why the
[02:36:01] are you lying about it? And then
[02:36:02] like why is so what is this? Because
[02:36:04] suddenly if it's even slightly not true,
[02:36:08] we're looking at a cover up plus we're
[02:36:10] looking at a different perpetrator.
[02:36:11] We're looking at something else here.
[02:36:13] And so when I look at Charlie Kirk's
[02:36:16] murder, I see what looks like a cover up
[02:36:19] and I see that that's not true for many
[02:36:22] reasons. But then
[02:36:24] I can't square any other version of the
[02:36:26] story that is not one of the most
[02:36:28] important political moments in our time
[02:36:30] right now in terms of the political
[02:36:31] factions involved in terms of the
[02:36:33] shifting geopolitical relationships in
[02:36:35] the world in terms of what's going to be
[02:36:37] happening to my people in America today
[02:36:39] and now in like the unity or disunityity
[02:36:41] that might we might experience over the
[02:36:43] next 10 years here and beyond. And so
[02:36:46] when I think about like what's the most
[02:36:48] important story that I can devote my
[02:36:49] time to figuring out right now to
[02:36:51] hopefully ensure a better America for my
[02:36:53] children to grow up in, it's Charlie
[02:36:54] Kirk. Um, and I don't know is I don't
[02:36:57] really believe that we're really going
[02:36:58] to ever get an answer. Um, which is
[02:37:00] unfortunately a hallmark of these types
[02:37:02] of things,
[02:37:03] >> but I'm damn well going to spend my time
[02:37:04] to try. Um, and that doesn't mean I'm
[02:37:08] going to exclude everything else. Like
[02:37:09] for example, I'm actually now that now
[02:37:12] that you kind of brought this uh Vegas
[02:37:13] shooting back up, I've gotten inspired
[02:37:15] where I want to go back and learn a
[02:37:16] shitload more about that and kind of dig
[02:37:18] even deeper and get more familiar with
[02:37:19] that because that will inform the other
[02:37:22] thing and then that will inform the
[02:37:23] other thing. So I'm very much focused on
[02:37:26] what happened to Charlie Kirk and
[02:37:28] watching this trial play out and
[02:37:30] watching the spiderwebing branches of
[02:37:32] that play out. But I'm also trying to
[02:37:34] shift back to I mentioned this app. So,
[02:37:35] I'm shifting back to um focus on
[02:37:37] corporate corruption in America as well
[02:37:39] because in a lot of ways like the big
[02:37:41] like tinfoily like 911 kind of things,
[02:37:44] they're fun, but like how your food is
[02:37:47] being poisoned and how the corporations
[02:37:49] are being incentivized to basically
[02:37:51] all over us and take all of our money.
[02:37:53] Like those sorts of things affect our
[02:37:54] day-to-day lives, right? Private equity
[02:37:56] affects like like real people every day
[02:38:00] in America. So, there's that's a very
[02:38:02] much more grounded thing that I'm trying
[02:38:03] to focus on. And then the other thing is
[02:38:06] um well actually I shouldn't really talk
[02:38:07] about that story yet, but I have a I
[02:38:08] have a friend that is on a story that uh
[02:38:12] is kind of like a financial thing that
[02:38:14] we'll we'll look into later. So Ian
[02:38:17] Carol, thank you for spending all this
[02:38:19] time.
[02:38:19] >> It's been a pleasure, man. I feel like
[02:38:20] we could have
[02:38:21] >> I was about to say I I've been a
[02:38:22] longtime fan, but you've only been here
[02:38:23] three years, [laughter]
[02:38:24] but I am a fan and uh I think you're
[02:38:27] brave and and really interesting and and
[02:38:29] trustworthy. So thank you.
[02:38:31] >> It was an honor. Thanks.
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