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[00:00:00] You love the Bible, correct? [00:00:01] >> It's the word of God. [00:00:02] >> Exactly. Okay. Perfect. Perfect. Yes. [00:00:04] Exactly. So, I just want to I'm just [00:00:06] here not necessarily to debate, but more [00:00:07] to understand your line of reasoning. I [00:00:09] want to understand how when you practice [00:00:11] the pre and like preach religious [00:00:13] governance and issues like that, as with [00:00:15] your abortion and stances on gay [00:00:16] marriage. Why don't you also support [00:00:18] things like free lunches for kids? The [00:00:19] Bible over 2,000 times mentions it [00:00:22] helping the needy at every instance. And [00:00:24] that if you don't help the needy, you [00:00:25] are not doing the word of God and he [00:00:26] will not help you. [00:00:28] >> Yeah. Great. Did I mention the Bible [00:00:29] once in my abortion argument earlier? [00:00:31] >> Okay. I don't know. I'm just [00:00:32] >> No, you didn't. I just want to be clear, [00:00:33] though. [00:00:33] >> I'm just thinking of what I've heard [00:00:34] before. Sorry. [00:00:34] >> No, but I I I I do believe it's the word [00:00:36] of God. Of course, we should help the [00:00:37] needy. Can you show me a specific verse [00:00:39] where it says, "Make sure you pay a [00:00:41] bunch of money to the government and [00:00:42] taxes to help the needy." [00:00:44] >> I would say specifically that I think as [00:00:46] Christians, it should be the number one [00:00:47] priority to find a system that works to [00:00:48] make sure that every single person is [00:00:50] fed. And I think it truly, if we're [00:00:51] looking at the word of God, you have to [00:00:53] look at the fact that you should go [00:00:54] through every cost to yourself. As the [00:00:56] Bible specifically says, I can pull up a [00:00:57] verse on my phone right now that says [00:00:59] specifically in the Bible that you [00:01:00] should feed the needy at the cost [00:01:02] yourself. You should help those in needy [00:01:03] at cost yourself. If it's a couple [00:01:05] pennies out of my tax dollars to feed [00:01:06] those don't don't have food, I think [00:01:07] that's a Christian obligation of the [00:01:09] government to fulfill. [00:01:10] >> But no, that again, it's never [00:01:11] biblically obligated to use the state to [00:01:14] do that. The church should do that. [00:01:16] >> And that's so I personally give a fair [00:01:18] amount of my tithes and my donations to [00:01:20] local churches to help do these things. [00:01:23] And I hope everybody else does that as [00:01:24] well. [00:01:25] And [cheering] [00:01:26] in fact, I believe the meat of my [00:01:28] question if I could get more to the meat [00:01:29] of the question then. So why do you [00:01:31] think there should be some policies that [00:01:32] should be governed at the state level [00:01:33] but then not other policies when it's [00:01:35] sort of governed like this when it's [00:01:37] specifically over 2,000 times in the [00:01:38] Bible, [00:01:39] >> right? So we go back to the constitution [00:01:41] because that's our core governance. So [00:01:43] is it if it's in the constitution, it [00:01:45] should be there such as border security, [00:01:47] national security, printing of money, [00:01:48] the treasury, enforcing of interstate [00:01:50] commerce, department of justice, those [00:01:52] tariffs, collecting of duties. However, [00:01:54] the government providing food to its [00:01:56] citizenry is not in the constitution and [00:01:59] it should be a last sta last gap effort. [00:02:02] And I suppose the question is I I don't [00:02:04] know if you're a Christian or not. And [00:02:06] if you are, wouldn't wouldn't you say [00:02:08] it's better for churches to feed people [00:02:10] than the government to feed people? [00:02:12] >> Yeah. Okay. So I am a Christian and I do [00:02:14] think that on by any means necessary the [00:02:16] number one priority of every single [00:02:18] citizen in society under Christian [00:02:19] values as you like to preach should be [00:02:21] to help their fellow man to help them [00:02:23] feed help them get clothes and help the [00:02:25] needy. And I think that out here [00:02:26] preaching if you think that the [00:02:27] government the government is a means of [00:02:28] at the end of the day it's inevitable. [00:02:30] The government is inevitable and I think [00:02:32] that we have to have that means that has [00:02:34] such a mass scale of outreach to help [00:02:36] feed people and to help give them their [00:02:38] needs. I think that churches, they lack [00:02:39] a lot of central organization that they [00:02:41] could that they the government has to [00:02:43] help reach out with them to help feed [00:02:44] them. [00:02:45] >> Let me ask you a hypothetical. If all [00:02:46] the money we spend on the government to [00:02:48] feed people went away, do you think the [00:02:50] church would step up and make sure [00:02:52] there's not a single hungry person in [00:02:53] America? [00:02:54] >> Um, I think that they would try, but [00:02:55] again, I think that the government is a [00:02:56] unique position that as Christians we [00:02:58] should be using to fulfill the will of [00:02:59] God. [00:03:00] >> How is the government in a better [00:03:01] position than the church? Build that out [00:03:02] for me. Are are there more churches or [00:03:05] more government buildings in America? [00:03:06] >> Yeah. So, let me actually get to that. [00:03:07] Can the church make laws? [00:03:09] >> Well, no, but the church actually can [00:03:11] collect money and actually deploy it [00:03:13] much more effectively than the federal [00:03:15] government can. In fact, [00:03:16] >> Okay. Okay. Perfect. I Okay, a question [00:03:18] that I got on taxes. I would love if my [00:03:21] tax dollars went to helping people who [00:03:22] needed food. That's my argument here. I [00:03:24] think [00:03:24] >> it does. Over over a trillion dollars a [00:03:26] year goes to food stamps and SNAP and [00:03:28] Medicaid, [00:03:29] but actually it doesn't help them nearly [00:03:31] as much as you think. Let me tell you [00:03:32] why. Because then we subsidize bad [00:03:35] eating habits of the poor so that the [00:03:37] working poor is very obese so they go [00:03:38] buy Coca-Cola, Pepsi and Fredo Lays and [00:03:41] the church is not involved where the [00:03:43] church would then say, "Hey, instead of [00:03:44] going to the local grocery store with a [00:03:46] bunch of food stamps and SNAP benefits, [00:03:48] why don't you come by our church and [00:03:49] we'll feed all of you and a much more [00:03:51] healthy meal made by our own members and [00:03:54] then you can hear the gospel [00:03:55] afterwards." That's the church in [00:03:56] practice. What the government does, and [00:03:58] I want you to respond. What the [00:04:00] government does is it creates distance [00:04:03] and it creates separation and it creates [00:04:06] murkiness between the person issuing the [00:04:09] help and the person receiving the help. [00:04:11] What private charity and philan [00:04:13] philanthropy does as the church designed [00:04:14] it is it's much more relational. So [00:04:16] there is a single mom coming into the [00:04:18] church saying, "I can't feed my kids. I [00:04:20] need help." I would believe that every [00:04:21] church in America would not say, "Sorry, [00:04:23] we're closed here." They would say, "How [00:04:25] here's our food bank. here's how we can [00:04:27] help you. We will we will cook you a [00:04:29] meal. We will give you what you want. [00:04:30] Where the faceless government, we've [00:04:32] seen this in Europe, and I don't mean to [00:04:34] go on too long about this. In Europe, [00:04:36] the state is huge. The government is [00:04:38] huge, and the church is small. The [00:04:40] church does not do charity. It does not [00:04:42] do food banks. Does very little that [00:04:44] because the government takes care of it. [00:04:46] I actually think that's deeply [00:04:47] unhealthy. I want a small government and [00:04:49] a big church where Europe has a big [00:04:52] government and a small church. [00:04:53] >> Okay. Okay. I have a few key arguments [00:04:55] against that. Just one quickly, I think [00:04:57] that people despite like their uh [00:04:59] monetary status and like where they [00:05:00] stand in society like monetarily, I [00:05:02] think that they should be able to choose [00:05:03] what food they get to some extent at the [00:05:04] grocery store, but also two on that like [00:05:07] unhealthy food is substantially cheaper [00:05:09] than good food. So that's also kind of [00:05:11] that situation that you're pointing out. [00:05:12] >> But but it is cheaper at the end of the [00:05:14] day. If they're pinching pennies, then [00:05:15] ultimately they're going to weigh a [00:05:16] cost. [00:05:17] >> We do not just I have to interrupt you [00:05:19] just so we're clear. We do not have a [00:05:20] starvation crisis in America. I I would [00:05:23] say that we have I think that issues [00:05:25] with it. I think that the thing is we [00:05:26] don't have necessarily starvation [00:05:27] crisis, but we have a mismanagement of [00:05:29] resources to the point where kids are [00:05:30] going hungry. I'm not sure the exact [00:05:31] rate, but they are going hungry. [00:05:33] >> There 10% of kids claim food insecurity. [00:05:36] >> That's 10% of kids. That means that they [00:05:37] don't know where the next meal is coming [00:05:38] from. [00:05:38] >> We don't know what that term means. Half [00:05:41] of our kids are clinically obese by the [00:05:43] age of 15. [00:05:44] >> That's a much bigger problem than food [00:05:46] insecurity. We have too much bad food [00:05:48] being fed to our kids. [00:05:49] >> Okay, perfect. on that argument again of [00:05:51] food insecurity. That just means they [00:05:52] don't know where their next meal is [00:05:53] going to come from. That's what that [00:05:54] means. But also more on to this [00:05:55] specifically. I think that again obesity [00:05:57] can be a problem to solve. But when [00:05:59] there are kids that are going hungry, I [00:06:01] do think it is a responsibility of the [00:06:02] government because like I said, churches [00:06:04] can't make laws. I think that they are [00:06:05] important, but they cannot have the [00:06:07] outreach and the standard of providing [00:06:08] free lunches to school kids every single [00:06:10] day because they can't afford food. They [00:06:12] don't know if they're going to go home [00:06:12] and have dinner on their table. So all [00:06:14] I'm arguing here today again my final [00:06:16] question before I get off is just do you [00:06:18] think that you are upholding your [00:06:19] Christian values by not holding the [00:06:21] government accountable when the [00:06:22] government is the easiest way to get [00:06:24] food to people? [00:06:24] >> You know I actually don't think it's the [00:06:25] easiest way. I think that private [00:06:27] charity individuals helping individuals [00:06:29] is the best way to offer [00:06:30] >> is that working enough right now or [00:06:32] should we have a system to give free [00:06:33] lunches to kids? [00:06:34] >> We do that problem is you're actually [00:06:35] living in the big government era and [00:06:37] it's not working. We spend hundreds of [00:06:39] billions of dollars on your desired [00:06:41] objective. We have food stamps. We have [00:06:43] school supported lunches. We have t [00:06:46] >> How how widespread are the school [00:06:47] supported lunch? [00:06:48] >> Can you can you give me the statistics [00:06:50] because most of cuz I know that growing [00:06:51] up in the state of Idaho I never once [00:06:53] had a free school lunch unless no [00:06:55] neither did anybody I know unless it was [00:06:56] during co I [00:06:57] >> and I I will say something [00:07:00] >> controversial and it's I actually don't [00:07:02] think it's the role of the state to feed [00:07:03] a kid at school. It's the role of the [00:07:05] parents to feed those kids. Okay? And I [00:07:07] I I and you might say, "Oh, if the [00:07:09] parents don't have money, the parents, I [00:07:10] think, have to get more and more [00:07:12] involved to taking care of your kids." [00:07:14] And the more the state grows into that [00:07:16] realm, the smaller it actually makes the [00:07:18] American family. Final point. [00:07:20] >> Okay. One quick followup on that. I [00:07:21] think that specifically parents are [00:07:23] often struggling. They often give up [00:07:24] their own meals to give to their kids. [00:07:26] But hang on, let's [00:07:28] >> Okay. Exactly. Now, let's move. But they [00:07:29] shouldn't have to. They should also be [00:07:30] able to get food themselves. I think [00:07:32] that the key argument here is that they [00:07:34] need to be able because the government [00:07:35] has so many resources to provide food [00:07:36] for people and I think that if you are [00:07:38] up here and that your religious values I [00:07:40] know that you're against gay marriage [00:07:41] and often that's by your religious [00:07:43] values. So I would say that specifically [00:07:44] when we look towards issues like that if [00:07:46] we're going to have some religious [00:07:47] governance you have to do what the Bible [00:07:48] says over 2,000 times and provide food [00:07:50] to the needy and help heal the needy. [00:07:52] >> And yes and we do. And what I'm saying [00:07:54] though is that it has been proven to [00:07:56] really not work very well. the best way [00:07:58] to help the needy. [00:07:59] >> Then do you not think it's the Christian [00:08:00] duty then to find everything we [00:08:02] absolutely can do to help them? [00:08:03] >> Yes. And we know how to do it and that [00:08:05] is the local church helping them. [00:08:06] >> Okay, perfect. So then do you think that [00:08:08] also then comes from government [00:08:09] ordinances and government support and [00:08:10] tax cuts for the churches? [00:08:11] >> No. See that? Well, first of all, tax [00:08:13] churches don't pay taxes. [00:08:14] >> Well, that's what I meant like not no [00:08:15] longer adding taxes cuz I've seen that [00:08:17] things that people want to add taxes. [00:08:18] >> We shouldn't. No, they're taxexempt [00:08:19] organizations. But again, our view as [00:08:22] Christians and conservatives is the [00:08:24] government doesn't do it well. The [00:08:26] government operates by force and the [00:08:28] local Christian nonprofit, the local [00:08:30] Christian church or whatever will it [00:08:32] does a much better job of delivering [00:08:34] help to those in need than a big [00:08:36] government. Thank you for your time [00:08:38] though. [00:08:38] >> It's believed to be back to the [00:08:39] fundamentals of when this country was [00:08:40] started and the constitution was made [00:08:43] that there's supposed to be a separation [00:08:44] of church and state, but it seems you [00:08:46] don't believe that anymore. [00:08:48] >> Well, where does it say that in the US [00:08:50] Constitution? [00:08:51] >> It was written in the Constitution. I [00:08:53] don't exactly remember what part, but it [00:08:54] hasn't. [00:08:55] >> It's not actually. So, and that's okay. [00:08:57] I'm going to help you out here. There's [00:08:59] the free expression clause and the [00:09:01] establishment clause. So, what you're [00:09:02] thinking is the of the first amendment. [00:09:04] What you're thinking of is that Congress [00:09:06] shall make no law prohibiting or or [00:09:09] promoting the exercise of religion or [00:09:11] the free exercise thereof. Now, mind [00:09:14] you, the separation of church and state [00:09:15] is not in the US Constitution. And [00:09:17] that's okay. Not a lot of people know [00:09:19] this. It is from a letter that Thomas [00:09:21] Jefferson wrote in 1803 to the Danbury [00:09:24] Baptist Convention in Massachusetts [00:09:26] saying to the church, the government [00:09:28] will not come after you. There was no [00:09:30] question at the time of the founding [00:09:32] that God played a central role in all of [00:09:34] our government. In fact, God is there in [00:09:37] four times mentioned in the Declaration [00:09:39] of Independence and never should and you [00:09:41] would agree there should never be [00:09:42] separation of morality and state. [00:09:45] But then I have another question, not [00:09:47] the second question, but do you believe [00:09:49] there should be a separation between [00:09:50] those two things, church and state? [00:09:52] >> Well, it depends on Well, let's play it [00:09:54] out. Do we currently have that? During [00:09:56] COVID, the government was able to shut [00:09:58] down the church. Should that be allowed? [00:10:00] >> I mean, I don't believe so. No. [00:10:02] >> Okay. So, the point is that we don't [00:10:04] even have separation church and state [00:10:05] because the state was able to tell the [00:10:07] church whether or not that you could [00:10:08] practice on Easter. Now, that's the [00:10:10] standard that they they currently have. [00:10:12] Do I believe in a separation of morality [00:10:14] and state? Of course not. Now, the [00:10:15] morality that built the West is the Ten [00:10:17] Commandments. The Ten Commandments is [00:10:19] the best rules of life for any society [00:10:21] to flourish and to be able to succeed. [00:10:23] You shall have no other gods before me. [00:10:24] You shall have no other idols. You shall [00:10:26] not take the Lord's name in vain. Honor [00:10:28] your mother and fathers, may live long [00:10:30] in the land of which you are in. Honor [00:10:31] the Sabbath day and keep it holy. Do not [00:10:33] murder. Do not steal. Do not, you know, [00:10:35] bear false witness. Do not covet. Do not [00:10:37] commit adultery. It is out of order, but [00:10:38] is that still the ten commandments? That [00:10:40] those rules for life is what the [00:10:42] founders believed. So much so that [00:10:43] they're in the halls of Congress and the [00:10:45] Supreme Court that we believe is [00:10:46] transcendently transmitted to us and [00:10:49] that when we do not submit to those ten [00:10:50] commandments, our country starts to fall [00:10:52] apart. [00:10:53] >> But if you think about it, most wars in [00:10:55] um when religion gets entangled into a [00:10:58] culture and even government, most wars [00:11:00] have started because of that. [00:11:01] >> So that's a talking point that has no [00:11:03] basis and that's okay because a [00:11:04] professor told you that. So let's go to [00:11:06] the truth and I'm going to ask you a [00:11:08] couple questions. What religion did Ma [00:11:11] Tong believe in? Great murderer of China [00:11:12] who killed 50 million people. [00:11:14] >> I don't know. [00:11:15] >> Yeah, [00:11:15] >> he was an atheist. What religion did [00:11:18] Joseph Stalin believe in who killed over [00:11:20] 30 million people of the Soviet Union? [00:11:22] >> An atheist. [00:11:23] >> He was an atheist. So that's 80 million [00:11:25] people murdered in two countries in just [00:11:27] the 20th century that did not believe in [00:11:29] any religion. So it's an easy talking [00:11:31] point to say that religion causes war. [00:11:33] But in reality, it seems as if actually [00:11:36] totalitarian dictatorships rooted in [00:11:38] atheism and a lack of the the divine is [00:11:41] what caused more human suffering in the [00:11:42] 20th century than not. Adolf Hitler was [00:11:44] not a Christian. Adolf Hitler was at war [00:11:47] with God and thought he was God and a a [00:11:49] total maniac. So there is no basis for [00:11:51] what you're saying. You might be [00:11:52] thinking about like the Crusades or [00:11:55] something like 6 or 700 years ago or the [00:11:57] Inquisition. If that's the if that's the [00:11:59] case, I think you need a better [00:12:01] argument. Uh because religion actually [00:12:03] keeps people sane, free and moral, not [00:12:05] towards war and conflict. [00:12:06] >> But isn't the war that's currently [00:12:08] occurring in um Israel and Palestine [00:12:09] over religion and their land? [00:12:12] >> Yes and no. It's more over territories [00:12:13] and boundaries. Of course they're [00:12:14] religious wars. But if you look at the [00:12:16] major wars over the last 30 or 40 years [00:12:20] even, some are religious, some are not. [00:12:23] But Russia and Ukraine, are they [00:12:24] fighting over religion? [00:12:26] >> No. [00:12:26] >> No. Or Central African Republic Civil [00:12:28] War, are they fighting over religion? [00:12:30] No. So, it's an easy talking point. [00:12:32] There really is no truth to it in the [00:12:34] modern era. [00:12:35] >> I've researched your positions. I know [00:12:36] you've come out and said you don't [00:12:37] believe in the separation of church and [00:12:38] state. And um I'd like to ask you why [00:12:42] even though there's the [00:12:42] non-establishment clause uh freedom of [00:12:45] religion uh and then there's you know [00:12:48] lawsuits in the like historically like [00:12:50] Angle versus Vitel that come out to say [00:12:52] that church and state should be [00:12:53] separated. [00:12:54] >> It's a fair question. So, I don't [00:12:55] believe in a national church. More [00:12:56] importantly, let's forget church and [00:12:58] state. Okay. [00:12:59] >> Can we both agree there's no separation [00:13:00] between morality and state? [00:13:02] >> I agree. It's just lawmaking. [00:13:04] >> That's cool. That's where I really live [00:13:06] in. What I'm saying though is the church [00:13:07] should influence that morality. That's [00:13:09] what I mean by that because at some [00:13:11] point people are going to have to make a [00:13:13] decision of what is good and what is [00:13:14] bad, what is permissible and not [00:13:16] permissible. And I think the church or [00:13:18] Christianity should inform those [00:13:19] decisions. [00:13:20] >> So, okay, I I understand where you're [00:13:22] coming from and it's undeniable that [00:13:23] there's been a heavy Christian influence [00:13:24] on our nation, right? Um, I think 55 out [00:13:27] of 56 founding fathers were you know my [00:13:29] stuff. [00:13:29] >> I do. Yeah. I' I've looked at your [00:13:31] stuff. Yeah. [00:13:31] >> But where I disagree is putting the ten [00:13:34] commandments in classrooms, you know, [00:13:36] things like that. [00:13:36] >> Well, so let's let's pause on that if [00:13:38] that's okay. Yeah. [00:13:39] >> I'm guessing you're not a Christian. [00:13:40] That's okay. [00:13:40] >> I'm Hindu. [00:13:41] >> That's fine. So even as a Hindu, what [00:13:44] moral objection to the Ten Commandments [00:13:46] could there would you agree if everybody [00:13:48] followed the Ten Commandments, better [00:13:50] place to live? [00:13:51] >> For sure. [00:13:51] >> Yeah. I So there's obviously [00:13:53] commandments like thou shalt not kill. I [00:13:54] mean these are just moral standards that [00:13:56] >> I think in Hindu philosophy [00:13:58] >> the only one that would be is you know [00:13:59] don't take any other gods before me [00:14:01] being a polytheistic fa faith right [00:14:03] having no idols that would violate [00:14:04] Hinduism right [00:14:06] >> but I mean honoring your father and [00:14:08] mother Hindus are pretty good with that [00:14:09] right we try [00:14:10] >> uh not coveting right uh not stealing [00:14:13] not committing adultery I imagine that's [00:14:14] against Hindu religious teaching right [00:14:16] it is what I'm getting at is despite the [00:14:18] monotheism that is embedded in the ten [00:14:20] commandments you can agree that it does [00:14:22] have good external moral teaching Right. [00:14:25] >> And that's what I'm getting at is that I [00:14:28] encourage anybody to show me a better [00:14:30] book, a better teacher than the Bible to [00:14:32] create good citizens. [00:14:35] >> Well, does the does the Constitution [00:14:36] morally teach us the the Constitution is [00:14:38] a template? Right. [00:14:39] >> I think But is it is it the the place of [00:14:41] classrooms to tell children what their [00:14:43] moral should do? [00:14:46] >> Does in a classroom, this is a really [00:14:48] important question you asked. If a kid [00:14:50] is sitting in a in a in a desk and [00:14:52] another kid and he hits the other kid, [00:14:54] should the teacher say that's wrong? [00:14:55] >> Yes. [00:14:56] >> Teacher is teaching morals. [00:14:57] >> If the kid goes and steals his lunch, is [00:14:59] it for the teacher to say don't steal? [00:15:01] If the kid goes around and starts [00:15:02] harassing and bullying another kid, [00:15:04] should the teacher say don't do that? [00:15:06] >> But what about those two commandments? [00:15:07] >> I'm not answer. No, hold on. I'm going [00:15:08] to get there. The teacher of course [00:15:10] should come and say stop it. Don't do [00:15:12] that. Because the teacher is appealing [00:15:14] to a moral order. We think that moral [00:15:17] order should be in every classroom. from [00:15:18] the ten commandments should be referring [00:15:20] to that. This is why you shouldn't do [00:15:21] that. This is why that. Now, as far as [00:15:23] those two commandments, I have a brutal [00:15:25] truth to tell you that albeit I'll posit [00:15:28] that not every founding father was [00:15:30] Christian. They were all monotheistic. [00:15:33] Polytheism does not mix very well with [00:15:36] western social order. I'm not [00:15:38] criticizing Hindus. It's all good. But [00:15:40] monotheism is a western idea. One god, [00:15:42] one morality. And here's why. When you [00:15:44] have multiple gods, you get different [00:15:46] moralities. And the west largely has [00:15:49] embraced the idea that there is a [00:15:51] standard of conduct that there is a best [00:15:53] way to live. Uh CS Lewis called it the [00:15:55] Dao or the way or the uh the best path [00:15:58] in in in his book abolition of man. What [00:16:01] I'm getting at is that it's tempting to [00:16:03] say, "Hey, the teacher should just stay [00:16:04] neutral." But we all know the number one [00:16:07] thing a teacher does is not instruct. [00:16:09] It's to control the behavior of out of [00:16:10] control kids. And by controlling [00:16:13] behavior, you're actually imparting [00:16:14] morals on the kids. Does that make [00:16:15] sense? [00:16:16] >> It does. But even then the question [00:16:18] still arises that yes there are moral [00:16:20] codes that the you know western [00:16:22] civilization has kind of built been [00:16:23] built on which is the ten commandments [00:16:24] you know we should go back right we [00:16:26] shouldn't [00:16:26] >> however the we have you know school [00:16:29] codes laws district laws and all of [00:16:31] these most school codes have these [00:16:33] >> but they're all a reflection of a [00:16:35] different moral code why original so go [00:16:38] back to the roots the roots the best [00:16:39] because why why would we cut off the [00:16:42] life force of our civilization if we [00:16:44] know that something has given us life [00:16:46] and given us prosperity and has grown [00:16:48] into the greatest civilization ever. [00:16:50] Isn't going back to the roots really [00:16:52] finding our way home? Well, I and like [00:16:54] to an extent you're right. Absolutely. I [00:16:56] understand your point and I can totally [00:16:58] understand. But, you know, when you have [00:17:00] these ten commandments and you see you [00:17:01] have a child such as me, you know, a [00:17:03] Hindu person. If I was a child and I see [00:17:05] the ten commandments on a wall, to me [00:17:06] it's an endorsement. Not so much as, [00:17:08] hey, here are some rules that you should [00:17:09] follow. Because even with those two, I'm [00:17:11] still feeling cognitive dissonance that [00:17:13] like I'm being told this, but I also [00:17:14] believe this at home. So why not stick [00:17:16] with those school codes and those, you [00:17:18] know, local laws? [00:17:19] >> I think we're actually agreeing at some [00:17:21] point. I agree. [00:17:22] >> At some point there has to be rules for [00:17:23] life. [00:17:24] >> Absolutely. [00:17:24] >> We think the best rules for life were [00:17:26] given to Moses on Sinai. We think that [00:17:28] was the best way for human beings to [00:17:30] live. [00:17:30] >> We slightly disagree. [00:17:31] >> We disagree. And I would contest though, [00:17:34] can you show me a civilization that is [00:17:36] as prosperous as the West that embraces [00:17:38] polytheism? [00:17:39] >> The United States of America. [00:17:40] >> Well, we're not polytheistic. [00:17:42] >> We embrace it. [00:17:43] >> Well, no, we don't. [00:17:43] >> First Amendment freedom of religion. No, [00:17:45] no, no. We don't embrace polytheism. [00:17:47] Okay. We we we we are a monotheistic [00:17:50] civilization fundamentally. For example, [00:17:53] in the declaration, God is mentioned [00:17:54] four times. It even says ordination in [00:17:57] the constitution. Now, you are right. [00:17:58] You can be a polytheist, right? At some [00:18:01] point though, the western moral order [00:18:04] does believe in the idea of a singular [00:18:06] god. That that has been a tradition and [00:18:08] it's worked really well for us. And if [00:18:10] the solution is like, hey, we're going [00:18:11] to have a school code. What we want to [00:18:13] do is peel back that school code [00:18:14] eventually back to where it came from. [00:18:17] >> But what's the point inherently? Again, [00:18:18] I apologize. I keep [00:18:19] >> No, it's okay. The point is the point of [00:18:21] peeling this code instead of keeping [00:18:22] this code that's more inclusive to [00:18:24] people like [00:18:24] >> I wouldn't say it's I will be I'm not I [00:18:26] don't mean to offend you. I don't seek [00:18:28] to be inclusive, [00:18:29] >> reasonable. [00:18:29] >> I seek what is best. [00:18:31] >> Okay. [00:18:31] >> And the ten commandments are what is [00:18:33] best again. And so would it be offensive [00:18:35] to a young Hindu kid? Maybe. Maybe not. [00:18:38] But it also was a reminder they're [00:18:40] living in a country that is a [00:18:42] monotheistic country. If I went to India [00:18:45] and there was you know the the Vishna or [00:18:47] whatever Vishnu right code I wouldn't be [00:18:50] offended because I'm a visitor in a [00:18:52] polytheistic country. Does that make [00:18:53] sense? So if I go to China and they have [00:18:56] the Confucian code for kids to live by I [00:18:58] wouldn't be like well take that down [00:19:00] because I'm a Christian. So it's [00:19:02] sometimes when you're a visitor into a [00:19:04] monotheistic culture think you have to [00:19:07] you can still have your own beliefs but [00:19:08] understand monotheism is one of the most [00:19:11] import ethical monotheism is one of the [00:19:13] most important worldview elements that [00:19:15] created this amazing civilization. [00:19:17] >> Absolutely. [00:19:17] >> So thank you for your time. I appreciate [00:19:19] it.