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[00:00:01] Welcome back everybody. There has been [00:00:03] so much news in the last two weeks. You [00:00:05] might have missed this very important [00:00:07] story. Just before the government [00:00:09] shutdown, the FDA just quietly slid in [00:00:12] an approval for the abortion drug [00:00:14] mythopristone, which has been tied to [00:00:16] some very serious safety concerns, not [00:00:18] only for its obvious use of killing [00:00:20] unborn babies, but in some cases, it can [00:00:22] hurt the mothers, too. And Republicans [00:00:24] in the Senate are looking to do [00:00:26] something about it. A letter from 51 [00:00:28] senators led by Senator Lindsey Graham [00:00:30] are calling on the HHS and FDA to [00:00:33] rethink their decision. And joining us [00:00:35] now to discuss why is South Carolina [00:00:37] Senator Lindsey Graham as well as the [00:00:40] president of Susan B. Anthony Prolife [00:00:42] America Marjorie Danenfelzer. Senator [00:00:44] Graham and Marjorie thanks so much for [00:00:46] being with us tonight. [00:00:47] >> Thank you. [00:00:48] >> Thank you for having me. [00:00:50] Senator, I'll start with you on the [00:00:51] legislative side of things because I [00:00:53] think a lot of people have this [00:00:54] assumption that when a new president [00:00:55] comes to town, he appoints new people at [00:00:57] agencies like the the FDA and the H and [00:01:00] HHS. They think that everything's just [00:01:02] going to run like clockwork. They're [00:01:03] going to follow a President Trump's [00:01:05] pro-life agenda. That obviously did not [00:01:07] happen. How do you fix it? [00:01:10] >> Well, you bring attention to the [00:01:11] problem. So, what are we talking about [00:01:13] here? Uh there are different ways to get [00:01:15] an abortion. one is a pill, a chemical [00:01:17] abortion that can be administered u in [00:01:20] in pill form. So the Trump [00:01:23] administration [00:01:24] approved a generic version of an [00:01:27] abortion drug and we're all surprised by [00:01:29] that. You know, we're supposed to be the [00:01:31] pro-life people, right? And President [00:01:33] Trump's been very helpful to the [00:01:35] pro-life cause, been very friendly. So [00:01:38] we were all surprised that the FDA would [00:01:40] approve that pill uh in a generic [00:01:43] version. So what we're trying to do is [00:01:46] have the FDA look at the science around [00:01:50] the dangers of taking this pill presents [00:01:52] to women. We think that has been not [00:01:56] adequately looked at. Uh then we want to [00:02:00] go back to the 2017 Trump policies [00:02:04] regarding the administr administering an [00:02:06] abortion pill under 2017 uh protocols by [00:02:11] President Trump his first term. you had [00:02:14] to go to a doctor before you could get [00:02:16] the drug prescribed for an abortion. [00:02:19] Biden did away with that requirement. [00:02:22] And we're expecting hopefully soon Trump [00:02:25] to reintroduce [00:02:27] uh the requirement. You can't get it [00:02:29] through the mail. You have to go to a [00:02:31] doctor and have an in-person visit with [00:02:34] a doctor to understand the dangers of [00:02:36] this drug. So, that's what we're doing. [00:02:38] And finally, Marjgery's been great. The [00:02:41] abortion pill is effective up to about [00:02:43] 12 weeks. If you can get the abortion [00:02:46] drug through the mail without seeing a [00:02:48] doctor and if the abortion drug can be [00:02:50] delivered to a state that has pro-life [00:02:52] protections. In my state there's no [00:02:55] abortions allowed after 6 weeks. Well, [00:02:58] if you can get the uh the pill through [00:03:00] the mail, then you've wiped out the [00:03:03] entire pro-life infrastructure in South [00:03:05] Carolina and every other state. So if [00:03:08] you think abortion should be a state [00:03:10] issue regulated by the states, you can't [00:03:12] allow the federal government uh to send [00:03:16] it through the mail u because that [00:03:18] undercuts and destroys every state law [00:03:20] on the books protecting the unborn. So [00:03:23] this is a big deal, a big issue, and [00:03:24] we're going to fight to have sanity rule [00:03:27] here. [00:03:29] >> Yeah. So very important. Arjie, the [00:03:31] senator mentioned something important. [00:03:32] There are some real concerns about the [00:03:34] health effects of this pill and also not [00:03:36] having women in touch with a doctor [00:03:38] while they're going through a chemical [00:03:39] abortion. Tell us some of the things [00:03:41] that the public may not know about the [00:03:42] dangers. [00:03:44] >> It is true. [00:03:46] >> It is true that um uh this taking it uh [00:03:50] away from the doctor patient [00:03:52] relationship and allowing it through the [00:03:54] male has been a disaster for women. It's [00:03:56] clearly a disaster for unborn children. [00:03:59] 63% of babies are aborted through the [00:04:02] chemical abortion that the pill is. And [00:04:03] it's a disaster for states rights, but [00:04:06] that for women in particular, um, which [00:04:08] we ought to have a complete alliance [00:04:10] with Planned Parenthood and every [00:04:11] abortion activist that the woman at [00:04:13] least should be should be protected. And [00:04:16] what we know is that 11% of women [00:04:18] experience adverse effects, serious [00:04:21] adverse effects from taking this pill [00:04:24] that the other side compares to Tylenol, [00:04:26] which is absolutely wrong. So, I think [00:04:28] you asked a question that is really [00:04:30] important. Why is this happening under [00:04:32] uh HHS Secretary Kennedy and the FDA uh [00:04:36] commissioner? I think that the first [00:04:38] administration, this Trump [00:04:39] administration got it right the first [00:04:41] time. Take those rules, put them back [00:04:44] around the drug, get them out of the [00:04:46] mail, restore the doctor patient [00:04:49] relationship, and save a lot of lives [00:04:52] and a lot of misery and save a lot of [00:04:54] children's lives as well. [00:04:57] Wow. [00:04:57] >> Marjorie, I want to ask you about the [00:04:59] messaging from Democrats because they [00:05:00] will say that this is about access, but [00:05:02] we know that when uh a woman doesn't [00:05:04] have to go to a doctor's appointment, [00:05:06] there there is a gravity of that [00:05:08] situation that's taken away. We also [00:05:10] know that when there is a six week [00:05:11] ultrasound and they can hear the [00:05:12] heartbeat, that that often times compels [00:05:14] a mother to keep that baby. So, has it [00:05:17] ever been about access or is it really [00:05:19] just about messaging and making abortion [00:05:21] so easy and and I mean almost almost [00:05:24] thoughtless? What what a difference just [00:05:27] a handful of years makes. It used to be [00:05:29] safe, legal, and rare. No concern about [00:05:32] safe. Absolutely. Uh undermining the [00:05:35] rights of states have their own laws and [00:05:37] rare is certainly not true because the [00:05:39] abortion rate is way up since doves. If [00:05:42] you take the doctor out of this [00:05:44] relationship, out of the loop at all [00:05:47] with a woman, you don't know um if she [00:05:49] has an ectopic pregnancy. You don't know [00:05:51] anything about her history. uh you don't [00:05:53] know what the gestational uh age of the [00:05:56] child is and the gestational age of the [00:05:59] child if you only care about one of the [00:06:01] people in this calculation really has an [00:06:04] enormous impact on the life and health [00:06:06] of a woman. So again I say join with us [00:06:08] Planned Parenthood and and reestablish [00:06:11] common sense woman- centered rules also [00:06:14] respect some state sovereignty and stop [00:06:16] acting uh lawless in the um movement of [00:06:21] these pills across state lines into [00:06:23] pro-life states. [00:06:24] >> Yeah. So important. Senator, I want to [00:06:27] turn to another topic that you have led [00:06:28] on. Without you, we would not know half [00:06:30] or more of the weaponization that went [00:06:32] on in our government under the Obama [00:06:34] Biden years. But now you yourself find [00:06:37] yourself a victim. You're one of those [00:06:38] senators whose phone records were rifled [00:06:41] through by the FBI. What do you know? [00:06:43] What do you expect to need to know to [00:06:44] make a good judgment about who should be [00:06:46] punished? [00:06:47] >> Well, number one, the request about my [00:06:49] phone records, who I was calling, the [00:06:52] duration of the phone call and the [00:06:54] location of the phone call. Uh that [00:06:56] request was made by two FBI agents [00:06:59] apparently working for Jack Smith in [00:07:02] 2023. [00:07:03] And the phone calls were in January the [00:07:06] 4th through the 6th in 2021. [00:07:10] So why 30 months later? I believe this [00:07:14] within 3 days of Trump announcing he's [00:07:16] going to run for president uh on [00:07:18] November the 15th, 2022 that he's going [00:07:21] to run again for 2024. [00:07:24] Within 3 days, Jack Smith was appointed [00:07:26] special counsel. And within about eight [00:07:29] months, there were 91 indictments [00:07:31] against Donald J. Trump in New York by [00:07:34] Fann um Leticia James, uh Alvin Bragg, [00:07:40] Fanny Willis, and Jack Smith. 91 [00:07:43] charges. [00:07:45] I believe none of that would happen if [00:07:47] Trump had decided not to run. I believe [00:07:50] it was an effort in 2022 to destroy his [00:07:53] campaign and that I got caught up in [00:07:56] this with eight other senators. I [00:07:58] actually voted to certify the election. [00:08:00] But whether you like me or not, it [00:08:03] should bother the heck out of you that [00:08:05] the sitting chairman of the judiciary [00:08:07] committee, which I was in January the [00:08:09] 4th through the 6, 2021, [00:08:12] uh would have your phone records [00:08:14] surveiled by the executive branch. We [00:08:17] have constitutional separations of [00:08:19] powers. We in Congress certify the [00:08:21] election. As the chairman of the [00:08:23] committee, I determine whether or not we [00:08:25] should investigate alleged wrongdoing. I [00:08:28] was doing my job. And the fact that they [00:08:30] would look at who I'm calling and the [00:08:33] length of the phone call and where it [00:08:35] took place is beyond chilling. What was [00:08:38] the predicate for this? What vehicle did [00:08:40] they use? Uh we're going to get to the [00:08:43] bottom of it. And the people who did [00:08:45] this, I think need to be fired and we [00:08:48] need to make sure the government pays in [00:08:50] a way to deter in the future. This is [00:08:53] something new that we didn't know about, [00:08:55] John, when we started this journey [00:08:56] together. This has taken an ominous [00:08:59] turn. [00:09:01] >> Yeah, that it has. [00:09:02] >> Senator, before we let you go, there has [00:09:04] been this this Stalinlike mentality when [00:09:07] it comes to the Biden administration and [00:09:09] going after their enemies. And as you [00:09:10] alluded, um there were numerous [00:09:12] Democrats who made flippant remarks on [00:09:13] TV about if if President Trump wasn't [00:09:15] running again, they wouldn't be going [00:09:17] after him. [00:09:18] With that as the basis of this question, [00:09:21] are you worried that of what they would [00:09:23] have done with this data? I mean, would [00:09:25] they have found the man and then found a [00:09:26] crime to pin it on you? I know it was [00:09:28] just geoloccation, but they could have [00:09:29] done a lot with that. [00:09:30] >> Yeah. Me and I I'm Look, I mean, there [00:09:34] was exculpatory information in 2016 that [00:09:37] the steel dossier was uh a madeup event [00:09:39] by the political opponent Donald Trump. [00:09:42] There was intel to that fact and it was [00:09:44] all ignored. Uh the subsource who [00:09:46] provided the information to Steel, the [00:09:48] Russian guy in February 2017 said, "It's [00:09:52] all bar talk. serious say it's not [00:09:53] reliable and they kept using the warrant [00:09:56] anyway because they hated Trump so much. [00:09:58] Yeah, it bothers me that they would look [00:10:00] at me and my colleagues in the United [00:10:02] States Senate uh in this fashion. It [00:10:04] should bother everybody. You don't want [00:10:06] this to happen in the future. U just [00:10:08] think I was the chairman of the [00:10:10] committee charged with having to certify [00:10:13] the election and find out what happened [00:10:16] and in the course of doing my duty 30 [00:10:19] months later they go to the phone [00:10:21] company to get my records. Now that is [00:10:25] not acceptable. [00:10:26] >> Yeah. If Trump hadn't won, I'm sure he [00:10:28] would have probably be in jail somewhere [00:10:31] now based on a bunch of BS. In 2016, [00:10:35] they started a storyline. He was a [00:10:36] Russian agent. In 2022, they charged him [00:10:40] with crimes of mishandling classified [00:10:44] information. Hillary Clinton took a a [00:10:47] hammer, her people did, to the hard [00:10:49] drive and bleach bit information that [00:10:51] apparently didn't make the cut. and Jack [00:10:54] Smith released uh information about his [00:10:57] brief accusing Trump of mishandling [00:11:00] classified information and being [00:11:01] involved in the 20 January 6th uh [00:11:05] activity two weeks before the election [00:11:08] which you're not supposed to do. So in [00:11:10] 2022 they tried to make his activity [00:11:13] about January 6 a crime. They tried to [00:11:15] charge him with mishandling classified [00:11:17] information things that they never even [00:11:19] began to charge a Democrat with. So, [00:11:22] it's a selective double standard [00:11:25] selective enforcement of the law. And [00:11:27] they drudge up January the 6th in 2022, [00:11:31] 2023 to beat him in 2024. And they got [00:11:34] me and seven other senators involved. [00:11:36] And they're going to pay a price. I'm [00:11:37] not going to let this go. [00:11:40] >> Yeah, I'm certain you won't. [00:11:42] >> It has been unbelievable to see. And we [00:11:44] are so appreciative of folks like you [00:11:45] who are working to to get that that pars [00:11:48] out. Absolutely. Susan B. Anthony [00:11:49] Prolife America President Marjgerie [00:11:51] Danfelder. Thanks so much. And South [00:11:53] Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham.