AMFEST 2025 SPECIAL: My Price Is My Life with Robert Morss

[00:00:00] What is your price? [00:00:03] Because if your price is not your life, [00:00:09] then you are for sale. [00:00:14] Okay. Nice to see you. [00:00:15] >> Pleasure. [00:00:16] >> So [00:00:18] tell us about your situation. You were [00:00:20] pardoned on January 6th, but one of the [00:00:22] things you said to me was that people [00:00:24] don't understand about how these pardons [00:00:27] work. [00:00:27] >> Yeah. there's still stuff going on and [00:00:29] and I don't think people do understand. [00:00:31] So tell us about those dynamics. [00:00:32] >> Well, so there's a there's a huge legal [00:00:34] battle over whether or not people need [00:00:36] to be pardoned or not. As you know, [00:00:38] several others haven't been pardoned [00:00:39] completely. I'd like to think that [00:00:41] Donald Trump and his team has a plan for [00:00:44] the people that haven't been pardoned [00:00:45] yet. A lot of my oath keepers haven't [00:00:46] been pardoned. [00:00:47] >> Have not yet. [00:00:47] >> I thought that everyone was pardoned. [00:00:49] >> You're wrong. That's that's a mistaken [00:00:51] thing. [00:00:51] >> Not everybody was pardoned. As a matter [00:00:53] of fact, a buddy of mine, Kelly Megs, [00:00:55] who helped write One Question Remains, [00:00:57] the book that we wrote in prison and had [00:00:59] smuggled out of prison, hasn't been [00:01:01] pardoned. Our suspicion is that the [00:01:03] Trump administration is going to use [00:01:05] that case, re-examined to make sure that [00:01:08] the federal judges, like we were [00:01:09] discussing earlier, actually have to pay [00:01:11] the piper for making sure that they [00:01:14] don't get away with convicting people of [00:01:16] crimes that they know they didn't [00:01:18] commit. Just like the 5012 crime that we [00:01:20] were talking about, how am I now guilty [00:01:23] of a charge when I wasn't even on the [00:01:25] capital grounds at the time, but that [00:01:27] the Supreme Court had to throw out last [00:01:30] summer stating that it was [00:01:31] unconstitutionally applied. [00:01:33] >> Take us take the audience back to just [00:01:36] in a minute or two what exactly you did [00:01:39] and what they accused you of doing on [00:01:41] January 6th. What I did was I watched [00:01:43] the Capitol police officers open fire on [00:01:45] innocent women and children with their [00:01:47] flashbangs and and violence, shield [00:01:50] bashing old ladies. So, you know, you [00:01:52] want to talk about police brutality and [00:01:54] we do want to back the blue. But the [00:01:57] tragic thing was we watched that happen [00:01:59] right before our eyes on January 6. So, [00:02:01] like I'm off to the flame. I get sucked [00:02:03] in. I'm wearing the same uniform that I [00:02:06] deployed to Afghanistan as a ranger [00:02:08] second range battalion all three times [00:02:10] to show that I already have sweat and [00:02:11] blood equity invested into this country. [00:02:14] And if you're going to steal an [00:02:15] election, I've got a problem with that. [00:02:18] So I show up, I've tried to defend [00:02:20] folks, I get charged with the simple [00:02:23] assault, which you know, it's as it's as [00:02:26] if I flicked you on the wrist, you could [00:02:28] have charged me with a simple assault [00:02:30] charge. I was the only one on my [00:02:32] nine-man indictment. Nine people that [00:02:34] never had any relation with each other [00:02:36] whatsoever who didn't have an assault [00:02:39] with a deadly dangerous weapon charge. [00:02:41] And yet they said that I was one of the [00:02:42] most violent people there. They use my [00:02:45] Ranger training against me. [00:02:46] >> Army Ranger. [00:02:47] >> Yes, sir. Yeah. Second Ranger Battalion. [00:02:50] So it was it was the most unAmerican [00:02:53] anti-atriotic move that our judicial [00:02:56] system could have done. And it was [00:02:58] because of the Biden regime. It was [00:03:00] because of the people that he appointed [00:03:01] in positions of power. And America can't [00:03:04] forget that. And you've been you've been [00:03:06] on point with the things that you've [00:03:07] been following, especially with the [00:03:09] garbage that's come through our border. [00:03:11] The Biden regime is to blame for that. [00:03:13] But I'll tell you one thing else. We [00:03:14] were talking about positivity before the [00:03:16] cameras started rolling. So there is a [00:03:18] little bit of dark comedy that, you [00:03:20] know, we have to include with this [00:03:21] stuff, right? Cuz I know that's how you [00:03:22] roll. [00:03:23] >> Yes. Yes. [00:03:24] >> Irony and absurdity. [00:03:25] >> Yes. Oh, okay. So this is perfect for [00:03:27] you then. So when the feds came to [00:03:29] arrest me, they show up on the last day [00:03:32] of school cuz I was a high school [00:03:34] teacher at the time. [00:03:34] >> What do you teach? [00:03:35] >> Oh, high school history. [00:03:36] >> History? [00:03:37] >> Yeah. To 11th and 12th graders. That's [00:03:39] the future, man. Oh, yeah. Without a [00:03:40] doubt. Oh, yeah. We'll get to that in a [00:03:42] minute. But [00:03:43] >> they show up to my apartment. They're [00:03:45] passing very dangerous items like the [00:03:47] United States Constitution or the Holy [00:03:49] Bible, and they get to a nuclear [00:03:52] stockpile of Legos. Okay. the Legos that [00:03:55] they find, they behave as if it's the [00:03:58] holy grail because they find a Lego [00:04:00] model kit of the United States capital. [00:04:03] So, it's like the worst Seinfeld episode [00:04:05] you've ever seen in your life. They [00:04:06] claim because I had a capital Lego set [00:04:08] in my possession. [00:04:10] I am now responsible for the entire [00:04:12] capital riot. So now I'm the architect [00:04:15] of the insurrection. It's in my court [00:04:17] documents. And now if you type in my [00:04:19] name and type in Lego Man, my face is [00:04:21] going to come up. [00:04:22] >> Lego Man. Seriously, [00:04:23] >> you had a Lego Was it Was it assembled [00:04:25] or was it just a [00:04:26] >> It was in an unopened box. [00:04:28] >> An unopened Lego Capital box. [00:04:30] >> Yes, dude. [00:04:31] >> And where did the FBI um arrest you? [00:04:34] >> So, thankfully they didn't arrest me out [00:04:36] front of the school. They arrested me on [00:04:37] my way to it at my apartment. So, [00:04:39] >> your apartment in what state? [00:04:40] >> Pittsburgh. Pennsylvania. [00:04:42] >> Pennsylvania. And that's where you teach [00:04:43] history. [00:04:44] >> That's where I was teaching history. Uh [00:04:45] the Department of Education in [00:04:47] Pennsylvania refused to acknowledge the [00:04:49] presidential pardon. So, I'm going into [00:04:51] film making instead. [00:04:52] >> Um, when when the when they came, did [00:04:55] they do a no knock warrant? Did they did [00:04:58] they How did they How did that happen? [00:04:59] >> They waited until I came outside to get [00:05:03] me in an ambush. I think they knew that [00:05:05] with my ranger training and if someone [00:05:06] breaking into my apartment, I would have [00:05:08] shot back. So, in order to make sure [00:05:10] that everybody came home from the raid [00:05:12] on me, which was ironic. I was watching [00:05:14] them use similar tactics that I [00:05:16] participated in while I was in [00:05:18] Afghanistan, which is crazy. Um, so they [00:05:21] waited for me to hop into my Jeep before [00:05:23] I was able to unlock my vehicle. That's [00:05:25] when I was surrounded with 17 rifles [00:05:27] pointed at me. [00:05:28] >> 17? [00:05:29] >> Without a doubt. Oh, yeah. They brought [00:05:30] in all the SUVs. They cut off my escape. [00:05:32] >> Rifles? [00:05:33] >> Without a doubt. [00:05:34] >> Not Not pistols? No. [00:05:35] >> Rifles? [00:05:36] >> Rifles. Yeah. [00:05:36] >> That was because you were a ranger. They [00:05:38] they were scared that you were going to, [00:05:40] you know, shoot back or something like [00:05:41] that. [00:05:42] >> Without a I mean, think about it. If I [00:05:44] have to protect my home, I'm a man. I [00:05:46] believe in the Second Amendment. you [00:05:47] should expect that walking into [00:05:49] someone's house. [00:05:49] >> I mean, a lot of people have told me [00:05:51] kind of privately and off the record, [00:05:53] people have told me this uh in [00:05:55] confidence that they would shoot back if [00:05:57] the FBI came in their home and and and [00:05:59] they did nothing wrong and they did that [00:06:01] kind of thing. But, you know, in my [00:06:03] case, there was a um uh I you know, they [00:06:06] covered the peepphole and they just did [00:06:07] a loud pounding. So, it was I had the [00:06:10] choice to answer the door or not. I [00:06:12] guess I don't know what you do in those [00:06:13] situations. [00:06:14] >> Or they could have busted it down. [00:06:15] >> Could have bust down the door. And I [00:06:16] actually got lucky. A lot of other [00:06:18] January sexers had the MRAPs, the tanks, [00:06:21] the helicopters. Oh, yeah. So, here's [00:06:24] the thing. That notion that you just [00:06:26] referenced about whether or not you're [00:06:28] going to shoot at an intruder, that is [00:06:30] what's under siege. It wasn't me. It was [00:06:33] the American attitude of defending [00:06:34] what's yours and working hard to get it [00:06:36] in the first place and worship of of [00:06:38] Almighty God. That's what was under [00:06:40] attack. Well, it's interesting that [00:06:41] because you're an Army Ranger, they they [00:06:43] did so much uh premeditation about how [00:06:46] to arrest you [00:06:48] >> to make sure that I had no cover. [00:06:50] >> There were possibly conference calls, [00:06:53] PowerPoint presentations, multiple [00:06:56] meetings, PL [00:06:58] >> they which you know maybe they the FBI [00:07:01] doesn't raid certain people because they [00:07:04] know that. So anyway, so getting getting [00:07:06] to other things. So the [00:07:08] >> one of the things I said to you uh [00:07:10] before this interview was um who were [00:07:13] your lawyers? [00:07:14] >> Yeah. [00:07:14] >> Like did did you pay them? Who paid [00:07:16] them? How did you raise the money to pay [00:07:18] them? [00:07:18] >> So the public defender that we had at [00:07:21] first right off the bat said you're [00:07:23] probably looking at 78 years if you take [00:07:25] the plea. I'm like that's the last [00:07:27] attitude I want from someone who's [00:07:28] supposed to fight for me. Fired them. [00:07:30] Then the good for nothing lawyer John C. [00:07:32] Konaga stepped in. He said, "Give me 50 [00:07:36] grand and I'll help you out. Let me [00:07:38] completely die at my trial." No [00:07:40] exonerating evidence, which there was a [00:07:42] plethora of [00:07:43] >> $50,000 [00:07:44] >> without a doubt. Gone. So, that was a [00:07:47] tragedy. [00:07:47] >> Well, that's not a lot of money relative [00:07:50] to what most private lawyers actually [00:07:52] charge for trial. Like a million dollars [00:07:53] for a trial. [00:07:54] >> Oh, well, yeah, but with a guy that had [00:07:56] not a lot to his name, who had been [00:07:57] debanked already, my assets have been [00:08:00] seized, USA had dropped me by that point [00:08:02] in time. My disability had been cut [00:08:04] prior to conviction. They did everything [00:08:06] they could. [00:08:06] >> So, you went to trial and you went to [00:08:08] jury verdict. [00:08:09] >> We had a bench trial. [00:08:10] >> Bench trial. [00:08:11] >> Oh, yeah. You're in DC, man. The jury [00:08:13] would have been loaded with [00:08:14] >> I've been to a jury trial in DC and [00:08:16] there actually was two trainee on my [00:08:17] jury. [00:08:17] >> That's what I'm saying. [00:08:18] >> And they stared at my then girlfriend [00:08:20] with the eyes of evil eyes. [00:08:23] >> And I I said, "I don't care who you [00:08:25] love. I don't care what your deal is, [00:08:26] but don't don't don't apply the law [00:08:29] unequally to me just because I'm not [00:08:31] gay." [00:08:31] >> Right? That's why I said everything is [00:08:33] fake [00:08:34] >> and gay, [00:08:35] >> which literally. Um, [00:08:37] >> those are the categories [00:08:39] >> literally. So, jury bench trial, [00:08:42] >> federal judge. What did he sentence you [00:08:44] to? [00:08:45] >> He sentenced me to 66 months. I'll never [00:08:47] forget it. He said, "Robert Morris, you [00:08:50] had a great career as an airboard ranger [00:08:51] and a high school history teacher. It's [00:08:53] a shame that you had to throw it all [00:08:54] away, but don't worry. When you get out [00:08:56] of prison, you'll still be considered a [00:08:58] young man." [00:08:59] >> And how old are you now? [00:09:00] >> I'm I'm 32. 32 now. [00:09:02] >> Yeah. [00:09:02] >> At the time you were 20. [00:09:04] >> At the time I was 30, I believe. Yeah. [00:09:07] When I was sentenced. Yeah. It's It's a [00:09:09] little weird. I feel like Captain [00:09:10] America that went under the ice for a [00:09:12] couple decades and came back out in a [00:09:14] completely different new world. When I [00:09:15] went in, there was no AI. Now that I'm [00:09:17] out, [00:09:18] >> things are different now. How long were [00:09:19] you in? [00:09:19] >> I was down for three and a half years. [00:09:22] >> You were in prison for three and a half [00:09:24] years. [00:09:24] >> Yes, sir. [00:09:25] >> What was that like? [00:09:27] >> Well, it was a pretty savage [00:09:28] environment. I give all glory to God for [00:09:31] keeping me safe. But I will say that uh [00:09:33] I wrote a book to try to ameliate that [00:09:35] because how am I supposed to quantify [00:09:37] >> the name of the book for the audience? [00:09:38] >> It's still there. It's on Amazon right [00:09:40] now. [00:09:40] >> Still there. [00:09:41] >> Yes. 41 short stories of my time behind [00:09:43] bars cataloging three and a half years. [00:09:45] I [00:09:45] >> I haven't Usually I read the books prior [00:09:47] to the interview, but because I'm in [00:09:49] this convention, I have not done that. [00:09:50] But I would like to read your book. [00:09:51] >> I think you'd get a lot out of it. [00:09:52] >> Do you have any book copies with you? [00:09:54] >> I don't. Well, it just dropped 3 days [00:09:56] ago on Amazon. [00:09:56] >> Three days ago? [00:09:57] >> Oh, yeah. It's fresh. It's fresh. [00:09:59] There's a brand new book. It's called [00:10:01] >> Still There. [00:10:02] >> Still. What is the meaning of the title? [00:10:04] >> So, this is another good story. We used [00:10:07] to sing the national anthem at 900 p.m. [00:10:09] every single night [00:10:10] >> in prison. [00:10:11] >> Yes. As the greatest defiance to tyranny [00:10:13] that we could think of. We would sing [00:10:14] the national anthem, though we were [00:10:16] locked up. And after a week of me being [00:10:18] locked up with the rest of the Patriots [00:10:20] in the DC Goolag, I started screaming in [00:10:22] the national anthem. And they got really [00:10:24] upset because we had just endured the [00:10:26] Colin Kaepernick garbage where you're [00:10:28] disrespecting the anthem while taking a [00:10:29] knee. So while I'm screaming, they're [00:10:31] like, "Dude, what are you doing?" Like, [00:10:33] "Stop. You're a veteran. I thought you [00:10:35] believed in this nation more than this." [00:10:37] And I said, "That's exactly why I'm [00:10:39] screaming because when I scream those [00:10:41] words still there in the middle of our [00:10:43] anthem, I'm telling our enemies of our [00:10:46] nation and our God that my love in my [00:10:48] country and my hope that things are [00:10:50] going to be fixed is still there. my [00:10:52] faith in my God is still there. So [00:10:54] that's why I scream those lyrics. That's [00:10:56] why everybody screamed those lyrics from [00:10:57] here on out. And that's why when you [00:10:59] listen to Justice for All that Trump [00:11:01] cranked out a couple years ago or [00:11:02] whatever that he was a part of, we [00:11:05] screamed those words because I [00:11:07] implemented that and that's the story [00:11:08] you learn in that book. Still there. [00:11:10] >> Still there. [00:11:11] >> Yes, sir. [00:11:11] >> And you're in you're in you're in the DC [00:11:14] federal goolog. [00:11:17] >> Yes. [00:11:17] >> Um did was it violent? Did people try to [00:11:20] hurt you? without a doubt. So, [00:11:22] >> how did you handle that? [00:11:23] >> Well, a lot of good men uh were there [00:11:25] for me. There was a guy named Sergeant [00:11:27] Williams Jr. who showed up literally out [00:11:29] of the blue after I was praying to God [00:11:30] for help. He opened up my cell door and [00:11:33] said, "Come with me if you want to [00:11:34] live." It I I knew at that point in time [00:11:36] I was in a movie. Uh but there was other [00:11:39] men like Shane Jenkins, uh Scott [00:11:40] Fairland. They made sure that no harm [00:11:42] came to me. These are other January [00:11:43] Sixers. Um though we were isolated from [00:11:46] a lot of the portions of the jail in our [00:11:48] own patriot pod if you will. Uh anytime [00:11:51] you had to travel you could get spat on, [00:11:53] you could get jumped. The guards didn't [00:11:55] care. They thought we were racist. And [00:11:57] so for the first two years of our [00:11:59] incarceration, the guards and the entire [00:12:01] community were weaponized against us. [00:12:03] But after we had exposed the conditions [00:12:05] of that goolog and liberated men [00:12:08] regardless of their skin color, the DC [00:12:10] boys started to realize, wait a second, [00:12:12] these J6ers, they're on our side and we [00:12:15] have the same enemy and it's all coming [00:12:16] from the same address. All of our issues [00:12:18] are coming from the same address. [00:12:20] >> Did you feel um hopeless and not [00:12:24] suicidal? I don't you probably I don't [00:12:26] you don't strike me as a suicidal type [00:12:27] of individual. [00:12:28] >> I try not to be, but there's definitely [00:12:30] challenges. You know, you and I have [00:12:31] both had to look evil in the face. [00:12:33] >> I mean, for me, it wasn't that I was [00:12:35] suicidal. It was that I was [00:12:36] disheartened. [00:12:37] >> Oh, yeah. You want to believe in good [00:12:39] people, [00:12:40] >> but you learn about human nature and how [00:12:42] how how horrible it is. So, sitting in [00:12:44] the That's a long time. [00:12:47] >> Fine. And and in that, you know, it's [00:12:49] like that quote from the Shaw Shank [00:12:51] Redemption, time stretches out like a [00:12:53] blade. You just have an abundance of [00:12:55] time. [00:12:56] >> Yes. [00:12:56] >> And and and before you're in in in [00:12:58] prison, you're you're busy. You're [00:13:00] hustling around, [00:13:02] >> but then you're in there and there's [00:13:03] like nothing. There are things to do, [00:13:05] but there's nothing to do. [00:13:06] >> I had to retreat back into my mind. [00:13:09] >> I retreated back into my mind. And [00:13:11] there's an old adage that says, you [00:13:13] know, within the prison core that you [00:13:15] got to do the time. Don't let the time [00:13:17] do you. So, I wrote, I read, I worked [00:13:20] out. [00:13:20] >> You have to do the time. [00:13:21] >> Do the time. What does that mean? [00:13:23] >> Well, Paul writes that, you know, he [00:13:24] enslaves his body so that he will the [00:13:27] apostle. [00:13:27] >> Yes. He enslaves his body so that he [00:13:30] will not be disqualified for the prize. [00:13:32] And that's exactly what I did with my [00:13:33] prison term. I enslaved it to serve me. [00:13:36] I am smarter, faster, stronger than I [00:13:38] ever was before because of God's grace [00:13:39] and his deliverance. And now I'm a [00:13:42] monster of their own making. [00:13:44] >> So you were um did you learn this [00:13:47] through the experience or when you went [00:13:49] in there you said this is what I'm going [00:13:50] to do with Paul the Apostle? [00:13:52] >> Well, I knew that I was on the hero's [00:13:54] journey the moment I was arrested. I [00:13:55] knew that I was being abducted into the [00:13:57] underworld journey and uh I was [00:13:59] abundantly apparent of what was at stake [00:14:01] and so I knew that I had to act [00:14:02] accordingly. You know I was being thrust [00:14:04] into a world like you know Thomas Hobbes [00:14:06] uh you know with the state of nature was [00:14:08] very violent, brutal and short you know [00:14:11] for a lot of the people that I was [00:14:12] around. [00:14:12] >> But you you were in the army and you're [00:14:14] a ranger. [00:14:15] >> Exactly. So I was prepared. [00:14:16] >> You're kind of more prepared than than [00:14:18] most people [00:14:19] >> right? Um, this might might be a strange [00:14:21] question, but what was more challenging [00:14:24] about your Army Ranger days than your [00:14:26] prison days? Was there anything more [00:14:28] challenging? [00:14:28] >> I would say if I were to compare the [00:14:30] two, cuz I've been asked a similar [00:14:32] question. Would you rather be deployed [00:14:34] or in prison? My answer is always [00:14:36] deployed because I could shoot back [00:14:38] back. [00:14:39] >> I see. Um, and now you probably have [00:14:44] this air about you where I mean not much [00:14:47] is going to phase you. No, everything's [00:14:49] a gift. Yes, everything is a gift. But [00:14:51] now I've started a production company [00:14:53] for the very reason so that the next [00:14:55] generation can keep this republic and [00:14:57] not suffer the same fate that I went [00:14:59] through. So I started Lego Man [00:15:01] Productions. [00:15:02] >> Lego Man Productions. [00:15:03] >> Yes. With two G's so I don't get sued. [00:15:05] >> Well, there's a two two G's, right? [00:15:07] >> That there's a little bit of humor. [00:15:09] >> Right. Exactly. Well, the interesting [00:15:11] thing about that is [00:15:13] a a member of my company confronted me [00:15:15] one day and he said, "Do you know what [00:15:16] Lego man means in Latin?" And I said, "I [00:15:19] have absolutely no idea. I don't speak [00:15:21] Latin. It's a dead language." He said [00:15:23] that Lego Man in Latin means I anoint [00:15:26] men or I assemble men. So, I got renamed [00:15:29] throughout this entire journey. And [00:15:31] that's exactly what we're going to do [00:15:32] with this film production company. We're [00:15:34] going to make films worth fighting for [00:15:36] that energize the base. Give them raw, [00:15:38] gritty, edgy movies like 300 or [00:15:40] Gladiator that also honor God so that [00:15:43] the next generation can also keep this [00:15:44] republic and know how and be inspired to [00:15:46] do so. [00:15:47] >> How do you earn a living now? [00:15:49] >> Well, book sales are nice. [00:15:51] >> Uh, disability did get kicked back in, [00:15:52] but I'm also a public speaker. I've been [00:15:54] traveling around the country telling my [00:15:55] story so that we don't have to repeat [00:15:57] the mistake of the buying regime. What [00:16:00] are some of the most frequently asked [00:16:01] questions you get asked when you you [00:16:03] speak and and you you travel? [00:16:05] >> Well, what was it like? You know, it's [00:16:06] like in prison. [00:16:07] >> Yeah. But the other thing that I get [00:16:09] asked a lot is what got you through? And [00:16:12] I would say that now I can relate to a [00:16:14] vast majority of the people who wrote [00:16:16] the Bible. Our Bible is written by [00:16:18] prisoners, man. [00:16:19] >> Yeah. Whether you were locked up in a [00:16:21] cave because you're being hunted by Saul [00:16:22] or you were locked up on house arrest a [00:16:24] waiting to, you know, the the audience [00:16:26] with Caesar, our Bible is written by men [00:16:28] that have had to go through it. And I [00:16:30] found comfort in the fact that when I [00:16:32] meet these men in heaven, I meet Joseph [00:16:34] or Job or Daniel or Paul. We might have [00:16:37] something in common. [00:16:39] >> Have you ever uh read any of the gulag [00:16:41] archipelago? [00:16:42] >> Absolutely. [00:16:42] >> Sultanates. Absolutely. [00:16:44] >> I quote him in the books. [00:16:45] >> Anything in there? Can you give us some [00:16:47] hints as to what you quote in your your [00:16:48] book? Well, he talks about the necessity [00:16:51] for uh justice and he also discusses how [00:16:55] if you hide the sins that have been [00:16:57] committed on a populace, you only [00:16:59] guarantee that they will be committed [00:17:01] upon the next generation. That's one of [00:17:03] the opening lines of that first book [00:17:04] right there. And so the idea is that if [00:17:07] we can follow in that same lane where [00:17:11] Alexander Sultan Nitson found Christ in [00:17:12] the middle of hell and so he ended up [00:17:15] exposing the corruption of the USSR. [00:17:18] This book's still there. It's already [00:17:20] been compared to Anne Frank's u diary, [00:17:23] but the American version. If we talk [00:17:26] about January 6 enough, not only will [00:17:28] this never happen again, but we can [00:17:30] actually kickstart an American [00:17:31] renaissance, but we enjoy what made us [00:17:33] great in the first place and we thrive [00:17:35] as Americans always were supposed to. [00:17:36] >> Well, I mean, in in talking to you and [00:17:38] and listening to you, there's a uh [00:17:40] confident, you know, unwaveringness to [00:17:44] your what who you are. Perhaps as a [00:17:46] result of what you've been through, [00:17:47] maybe as a result of what you've been [00:17:48] through before, what you've been [00:17:49] through. I mean, you're an army ranger. [00:17:51] >> Yeah, [00:17:51] >> that's pretty hardcore. [00:17:53] >> But I I I I I read the Gulog [00:17:55] Archipelago. I probably read it about [00:17:57] once a year. [00:17:58] >> You have to. [00:17:58] >> It's unbelievable. 1984 is another one [00:18:01] that I encourage everyone read once a [00:18:02] year. And every time you do you you but [00:18:06] what struck me about that book is is he [00:18:08] talked about suffering and he said you [00:18:11] know even there's one line in the good [00:18:13] luck where he's talking about just his [00:18:16] soul was ripening with suffering. [00:18:18] >> Yes. [00:18:19] >> And um what doesn't exist not even God [00:18:22] can take away. It was like this very [00:18:24] profound deep moving thing. And there [00:18:27] was also this part about the hunger [00:18:29] strike. Was there anything like that in [00:18:31] jail? There were definitely hunger [00:18:32] strikes. There were movements for sure. [00:18:33] >> Did you participate in that? [00:18:35] >> I participated in one, you know, [00:18:37] >> in one hunger strike [00:18:37] >> in one. Yeah. But then you start to [00:18:39] realize that these people really don't [00:18:40] care. The BOP is designed to turn [00:18:42] American men into cattle. And the [00:18:44] January 6 saw the future of America, [00:18:46] which is a nationwide prison state if [00:18:49] communism reigns supreme. [00:18:50] >> Do you think the pendulum will swing [00:18:52] back to that at some point? The way [00:18:54] >> if you and I are successful, [00:18:56] >> yes, [00:18:56] >> we can keep the pendulum. [00:18:58] >> Keep keep the pendulum. That's [00:19:00] interesting. I've never heard that said [00:19:01] before. [00:19:02] >> Cuz it swings back and forth, but we can [00:19:04] just keep it. [00:19:05] >> Take it forever. Means we never give it [00:19:07] back to the enemy. [00:19:08] >> They'll never have their opportunity to [00:19:09] ruin our country again. [00:19:11] >> Well, you know, it's interesting. I I [00:19:12] speak as you know, as a reporter who's, [00:19:16] you know, been targeted. You know, the [00:19:18] the American Civil Liberties Union [00:19:19] defended defended us. So, it's a little [00:19:21] bit it's not really a left or right [00:19:23] thing with J with with J6. There's this [00:19:25] branding around, you know what I mean? [00:19:27] But again, I think more people should [00:19:28] hear your story, read your book because [00:19:30] in listening to you, you have some [00:19:32] >> really profound spiritual truths that [00:19:34] everyone needs to hear. [00:19:35] >> Thank you. [00:19:36] >> And and and kind of, you know, I'll keep [00:19:38] talking to you off. My producer is [00:19:40] telling me the next guy's coming, but [00:19:42] >> I think um what's the name of the book? [00:19:44] >> Still there. [00:19:45] >> Still there. I'm going to read your [00:19:47] book. It's just brand new out on Amazon. [00:19:49] >> Yeah. Day three. [00:19:50] >> Day three. We don't have a hard cop. I [00:19:52] usually have a hard copy here. Hey uh [00:19:55] quoting Alexander Sultzene from the [00:19:57] Gulog Archipelago. One more thing about [00:20:00] the hunger strike in in gulag [00:20:02] archipelago. Sultzene he goes on the [00:20:04] hunger strike and all of his colleague [00:20:06] at one point someone breaks the strike. [00:20:09] I need to eat the bread and he said the [00:20:11] feeling of the betrayal from his comrade [00:20:15] >> eating was infinitely more painful than [00:20:18] anything else. Yes. And I I I wonder [00:20:20] without naming names, was there anyone, [00:20:23] you know, from the the the group of [00:20:24] patriots that maybe, oh, that guy wasn't [00:20:26] strong enough or that guy ratted or that [00:20:28] guy lied. Did you ever experience [00:20:30] anything like that? [00:20:31] >> There were the dropouts. There were the [00:20:33] people that shamed us. Um, but the other [00:20:36] thing that I think that hurt me the [00:20:37] most, very similar to Alexander Soljen [00:20:39] Nitson was a similar situation that [00:20:42] Victor Frankle writes in Man's Search [00:20:44] for Meaning where everybody has a [00:20:45] cigarette, their last cigarette, which [00:20:47] means you're will to live. And he he [00:20:50] notices how when people were willing to [00:20:52] give up, they would smoke that last [00:20:54] cigarette, essentially exhaling their [00:20:56] life as they suffered through the [00:20:57] concentration camps. And there was a [00:21:00] moment where I watched a lot of people [00:21:01] start to pack that cigarette and they [00:21:04] were willing to give it all away because [00:21:05] the pressure was too strong. So that's [00:21:07] when I started and this is something [00:21:08] you'll learn about and still there a a [00:21:11] production uh a comedy and talent show [00:21:14] in the middle of hell that I called [00:21:16] theopium dens and I try to in invertly [00:21:21] have comedy to improve the condition of [00:21:24] the goolag and make everybody have a [00:21:26] good time. I made my own show. I [00:21:29] literally sang because you know for the [00:21:31] military you learn that you'll never ask [00:21:33] a subordinate to do something you're not [00:21:34] willing to do yourself. I asked people [00:21:36] to volunteer for a 10act production. And [00:21:39] I sang I'll make a man out of you from [00:21:41] the Mulan cartoon in front of 80 [00:21:43] strangers in order to make sure that [00:21:45] everybody could survive. We called them [00:21:46] the Hopium Dens. That's another chapter [00:21:48] from the Still There book. [00:21:49] >> Hopian Den. [00:21:50] >> The Hopium Den. Yeah. [00:21:51] >> All right. Yeah. [00:21:52] >> The book is called Still There. [00:21:54] >> It's a good time. [00:21:54] >> Three and a half years in prison. I [00:21:56] served three and a half years of [00:21:57] supervised probation. So, we have that [00:21:59] number in common. [00:22:00] >> I like that. We've got a lot more in [00:22:01] common. [00:22:02] >> All right, we'll keep talking. Thank [00:22:02] you. [00:22:03] >> Absolutely. God bless you, man. [00:22:05] >> What is your price? [00:22:07] Because if your price is not your life, [00:22:13] then you are for sale.