Ray J Debates Transgenderism | Candace Ep 41

[00:00:00] all right guys welcome to a special [00:00:01] episode of Candace I'm excited for this [00:00:03] conversation or at least to bring this [00:00:04] conversation so I'll just Dive Right [00:00:06] into telling you the background of it I [00:00:08] recently appeared on Don Lemon and and [00:00:10] some clips were taken out of that [00:00:11] conversation I had with him particularly [00:00:13] a portion when he was talking to me [00:00:15] speaking to me about transgenderism and [00:00:17] I explained to him my perspective on [00:00:19] transgenderism that it is a mental [00:00:21] disorder uh shortly thereafter Ray J [00:00:24] familiar with Ray J he is a man of many [00:00:26] talents he's a singer a performer um an [00:00:29] actor [00:00:31] entrepreneur a business owner messaged [00:00:33] me on Instagram and said kace I don't [00:00:35] feel and I'm summing up here I don't [00:00:37] feel that you have the full story I [00:00:39] would love to have a conversation um and [00:00:42] introduce you to someone who may be able [00:00:44] to provide you a wider perspective and I [00:00:46] said let's do it I'm in LA and we made [00:00:48] it happen virtually overnight so I'm [00:00:50] going to allow Ray J to introduce his [00:00:53] guest first and foremost rayj what [00:00:55] inspired you to reach out well first off [00:00:58] um just because I've been so involved [00:01:00] with the community we've been doing not [00:01:03] only TV shows but we just been been [00:01:05] vibing and we've been spending a lot of [00:01:07] time and and that helped me you know [00:01:10] educate myself on a lot of new things um [00:01:13] and so when I seen the interview and [00:01:15] we've talked before and we've always [00:01:17] been cool so I think it's always [00:01:19] important if you feel something to like [00:01:22] you know call your people see if we can [00:01:24] sit down see if we can debate it [00:01:26] Danielle's here like she's one of our [00:01:28] stars on the new show The Girls Club on [00:01:29] the elcs Network and we're going all in [00:01:32] on this show and I just felt like it was [00:01:34] perfect timing I was like please hit me [00:01:36] back right and then you're in La too at [00:01:39] the same time it was meant it was meant [00:01:41] for us to do it and so just being and I [00:01:43] told you in the in the DM just being [00:01:45] educated being educated educated that [00:01:48] yeah that was a new word i' never heard [00:01:49] right and so um Bridging the Gap and [00:01:52] getting an understanding it's always [00:01:54] good to talk things through and so I [00:01:56] brought Danielle here because um her [00:01:59] experience in her [00:02:01] life kind of was mixed in with what you [00:02:03] were saying and maybe she can give you a [00:02:05] better understanding on what it is or [00:02:08] vice versa you know but I wanted to [00:02:10] create this Synergy so we can all talk [00:02:13] together Danielle welcome thank you [00:02:15] thank you for having very happy to have [00:02:16] you here also very happy that you were [00:02:18] willing to even have this discussion [00:02:19] because a lot of times you see people [00:02:21] that are on opposing sides do not want [00:02:22] to speak and I think that's Guided by a [00:02:25] lot of fear and sometimes by a lot of [00:02:26] cowardice so Danielle how did you get [00:02:29] mixed in with Ray J and what made you [00:02:32] want to be here today yeah so I just [00:02:34] wanted to double back on that I fully [00:02:36] agree when um Ray and the team called me [00:02:39] obviously the first emotions that go [00:02:42] through your head is oh my God I'm [00:02:43] scared like I don't know if I'm ready [00:02:45] and to be completely vulnerable I [00:02:48] thought this is It's I don't want to use [00:02:50] the word easy but for me as a trans [00:02:53] person and I have been for 20 years [00:02:55] there's been so many conversations that [00:02:57] I've had worldwide with people [00:03:00] and as like a mature classy wise person [00:03:04] that I would like to say I am you [00:03:06] understand perspective and it's all how [00:03:09] you come at a conversation so that's why [00:03:11] I agreed to be here cuz I was like I [00:03:12] want to do this for me for the community [00:03:15] and most of all for Ray Tronics and the [00:03:17] girls club because we have created [00:03:19] something really special so yeah okay so [00:03:22] why don't we just start by telling us a [00:03:23] little bit about your story yeah um so [00:03:27] I'm from Perth West Australia which is [00:03:31] austalia what's up Australia um aka the [00:03:34] Aussie doll that's what they call me um [00:03:36] Perth West Australia is the most [00:03:39] isolated city in the world so it's [00:03:41] basically on the west and everything [00:03:43] else you would have heard about is on [00:03:44] the East so um growing up in Perth West [00:03:47] Australia it's kind of like a Beach town [00:03:49] and a mining town um City sorry um want [00:03:52] to get my words right and um yeah my [00:03:55] experience as being trans um dated back [00:03:58] to and I know this is controversial and [00:04:00] people are going to be like H when I say [00:04:01] it but the first um verbalization of me [00:04:05] feeling chance was when I was four and [00:04:08] um my mom told me this when I got older [00:04:10] because ID verbalized to her um [00:04:13] basically that I was comparing myself to [00:04:15] my older sister and cuz I have an older [00:04:18] sister and two younger now and um just [00:04:21] feelings and displaying certain things [00:04:25] and I won't obviously get into every [00:04:28] detail cuz I'll try to summarize but [00:04:29] basically growing up in Perth it was an [00:04:32] experience that I had to take on alone [00:04:34] my parents and family were kind of from [00:04:36] the country west Australian had no idea [00:04:39] about anything to do with trans or the [00:04:41] lgbtq um and we've got to remember [00:04:44] because this was 20 years ago and in [00:04:46] Australia the journey was completely on [00:04:48] my own back so everything that I felt [00:04:51] and resignated with it was up to me to [00:04:53] do the research everything that I'd seen [00:04:56] on the TV was sensationalized and kind [00:04:58] of crazy [00:05:00] and we all know the viewers listening [00:05:02] what I'm talking about um the [00:05:04] misrepresentations and things like that [00:05:06] so yeah it was a very lonely Journey um [00:05:09] you only have to talk to someone in the [00:05:11] community to know that I was a [00:05:12] Trailblazer for what I did because I was [00:05:15] literally basically the only one for a [00:05:17] while um doing what I was doing and yeah [00:05:20] life's been a journey since then and it [00:05:22] still is and now were your parents [00:05:24] together um my parents divorced at the [00:05:26] age of six and then my mom remarried so [00:05:29] and so my dad so I've always had like a [00:05:32] biological mother and father and two [00:05:34] step parents and how did your parents [00:05:37] deal with you I guess the first question [00:05:39] is when did you first communicate your [00:05:40] feelings about your identity and how did [00:05:43] your parents respond to it um so this [00:05:47] and obviously I say this is according to [00:05:49] what my mom later told because to be [00:05:51] honest I don't remember when I was four [00:05:52] I only have like Vivid memories maybe [00:05:54] from 5 six up um but basically what it [00:05:58] would be is me and my mom were always [00:06:00] particularly really close I just was you [00:06:02] know always gravitated towards my mom [00:06:04] and my mom's you know just everything to [00:06:07] me and um she would say that she would [00:06:10] just you know notice like certain things [00:06:12] that were different to the other kids [00:06:14] and when I'd vocalized to her how I felt [00:06:17] and that I kept comparing myself to [00:06:19] Ashton and I that's my older sister and [00:06:21] would um talk like even about genitalia [00:06:24] which obviously I didn't understand at [00:06:26] that time but I even physically did [00:06:27] things to myself that made no sense kind [00:06:30] of like to her um in comparison to why I [00:06:33] wasn't like my sister when we'd have [00:06:35] bath time and things like that so um [00:06:37] that was the first verbalization and [00:06:39] then as I got older it just got stronger [00:06:43] because I was able to verbalize things [00:06:45] more but the interesting thing was and [00:06:48] once again this is only my experience [00:06:50] and I'm just speaking today from a [00:06:52] personal experience of being trans um [00:06:55] when I was being really out there with [00:06:58] my vocalizations about being trans all [00:07:00] of a sudden when I had realized in [00:07:03] school that it wasn't appropriate to be [00:07:05] saying those things and it wasn't normal [00:07:07] and it was weird or I could be bullied [00:07:09] for it I completely went the opposite [00:07:12] and I never brought it up again so that [00:07:15] was kind of like late primary to full [00:07:17] High School it was never a topic to my [00:07:19] family ever again until I graduated okay [00:07:21] so a couple of things that I'd like to [00:07:23] ask as a followup you answered how your [00:07:24] mother felt about it how did your father [00:07:26] feel about it because I do think it is [00:07:27] relevant that your parents separated [00:07:29] when you were SI yeah for sure um and [00:07:31] they obviously separated for their own [00:07:33] reasons um my mother explained to me [00:07:36] years later when I had the maturity that [00:07:38] they got a divorce based on just a [00:07:40] complete lack of um compatibility you [00:07:44] know and people got married then just [00:07:47] kind of cuz they had to and popped out a [00:07:48] few kids um so they knew that when they [00:07:51] divorced that they had to do the best [00:07:53] for us my dad is this is what I like to [00:07:56] explain to a lot of people because a lot [00:07:58] of um people that see men with their um [00:08:02] lgbtq children have kind of a femininity [00:08:06] to them or they act in a certain way my [00:08:08] dad is a very staunch Australian if [00:08:10] you've watched Crocodile Dundee that's [00:08:13] the kind of vibe is crocodile yeah like [00:08:15] shout out to my dad um he's known as [00:08:18] Whitey the football player in bumbrey um [00:08:21] very you know just that alha male and [00:08:24] the thing is for for cuz I'm going to be [00:08:26] honest today obviously just to get the [00:08:28] story right right obviously my dad [00:08:30] struggled with it more than my mom but [00:08:33] what later on came in the years like [00:08:36] later on when we converse was my dad [00:08:39] said his issue was it was never [00:08:41] accepting and understanding cuz he could [00:08:42] see it with his own eyes my whole life [00:08:44] but it was the communication that he [00:08:46] lacked on so he couldn't talk to me how [00:08:48] my mom could and this a last followup [00:08:50] question regarding your father when they [00:08:52] got separated when you were 6 years old [00:08:54] was he involved in in in your life yeah [00:08:56] they went straight to Legal um uh what's [00:09:00] the word um legal um not maintenance [00:09:03] where you have to um where like the [00:09:06] rights of um you get three days and yeah [00:09:09] sorry I can't think of the word but yeah [00:09:10] they basically did it straight away that [00:09:12] it was by the book my dad had us every [00:09:14] weekend and my mom had full custody for [00:09:17] school hours and things like that okay [00:09:19] so Ray J I want to ask you this because [00:09:21] you have young children I have young [00:09:22] children and so and I'm I'm glad [00:09:24] Danielle that you were very honest about [00:09:26] the fact that your mother told you that [00:09:28] when you were you said this and had done [00:09:30] some things and so she kind of says this [00:09:32] was always there yeah because I have [00:09:34] young children and I know how stupid [00:09:36] kids are and I say that with all love in [00:09:37] my heart but they say ridiculous things [00:09:40] all the time and one of the things [00:09:41] that's been concerning to me is to hear [00:09:43] so many celebrities try to I guess [00:09:47] validate the stupidity of children and [00:09:49] pretending and going well this must be [00:09:51] real Mostly what comes to mind I I [00:09:53] believe Charlie Starin had a daughter or [00:09:56] a son but The Story Goes one day in the [00:09:58] bapt bathtub my son or daughter looked [00:10:01] up at me and said Mommy I'm a I'm a girl [00:10:04] and that was it that Charlie Sten then [00:10:05] allowed her child to begin transitioning [00:10:08] and that to me sounds like a mental [00:10:10] disorder that the parent is suffering [00:10:12] for some reason and a lot of the times [00:10:14] I've noticed this trend that it does [00:10:16] tend to be single women that sort of [00:10:18] encourage this thing so I'd like to ask [00:10:20] you if you're you have a son mhm and a [00:10:23] daughter and your son's how old my son's [00:10:25] four okay he's four perfect age my [00:10:27] daughter's six if your son was in a [00:10:28] bathtub and your son said anything in [00:10:31] the bathtub Dad I'm a [00:10:33] mermaid why would you then say well this [00:10:36] must really mean that my four-year-old [00:10:39] toddler who also thinks he can fly who [00:10:42] also thinks like Santa Claus is real and [00:10:44] can squeeze down the the chimney why is [00:10:46] it this thing that people go oh well [00:10:48] this must be a sign that my child's [00:10:51] really struggling with identity yeah I [00:10:53] mean I think that's that's very early I [00:10:55] would say just me being a new parent [00:10:58] right and and what's crazy about the [00:11:00] mermaid thing my son likes to follow his [00:11:03] sister right he loves her and whatever [00:11:05] she does he wants to do same with me [00:11:08] back I used to Double Dutch and jump [00:11:10] rope before I you know started to hang [00:11:12] out with my friends um just because I [00:11:15] wanted to follow my big sister she got a [00:11:17] mermaid outfit he wanted one so I got [00:11:19] him a mermaid he wanted to be a mermaid [00:11:21] for because she was in you know she was [00:11:23] swimming with the mer so I'm like all [00:11:25] right you want to be a merman then cool [00:11:27] I'll get you one um but I didn't think [00:11:30] of it in the sense of that yet just [00:11:32] because you know again they're young and [00:11:35] um and they're learning things as they [00:11:37] go you know and to peeky back off that [00:11:41] as well sorry to cut you off is with [00:11:43] that was like a really valid question [00:11:45] but I have to state that with my mom [00:11:48] what she did was it wasn't a validation [00:11:51] of really how I thought and acted on it [00:11:53] straight away my mom was a listener so [00:11:55] my mom never shut me down for the things [00:11:57] that I'd verbalize but as for like [00:12:00] counseling and transition that was done [00:12:03] way later and that was never to punish [00:12:05] me but it was all always like my mom was [00:12:07] like a soundboard but she never pushed [00:12:09] yeah you said said you said you kept it [00:12:12] quiet for oh yeah I totally internalized [00:12:15] because you see what the world says and [00:12:17] you're like oh sugar this isn't um [00:12:19] normal I'll just be quiet yeah but I [00:12:22] guess what I'm I'm trying to say here is [00:12:24] that your mother even now even if you're [00:12:27] older and you make a decision for your [00:12:28] mother to go back into a memory of [00:12:29] something that every child goes through [00:12:31] they just say stupid stuff they want to [00:12:32] be mermaids they don't even understand I [00:12:34] me the first time we watched Disney [00:12:35] movie my son said I'm a princess and I [00:12:36] said you know you're a prince and now [00:12:38] you're seeing this sort of people trying [00:12:40] to go backwards and I don't know if [00:12:41] they're doing this out of protection or [00:12:43] out of love and trying to pretend that [00:12:45] they just want to validate the [00:12:45] experience that you're having but I [00:12:47] don't feel com I don't feel like oh this [00:12:49] must be real because you said this [00:12:51] started when I was four I first thing [00:12:53] comes to my head is Mommy's got some [00:12:55] issues right because it's not like your [00:12:56] mother said this you know what you were [00:12:59] a kiding when you were a toddler but [00:13:00] then I really noticed this thing when [00:13:02] you were 18 years old and your actually [00:13:04] your brain develops at the age of 26 [00:13:05] years old so that makes me a little bit [00:13:07] uncomfortable because I I do think and I [00:13:09] do see this pattern of single moms um [00:13:12] and also just what you spoke to you said [00:13:14] I had an older sister this is exactly [00:13:15] right so my daughter will is much more [00:13:18] of a rough Houser because she's [00:13:19] following my son who is the oldest so [00:13:21] she grabs swords she wants to fight now [00:13:24] I was a tomboy I went through a phase [00:13:26] where I had like I think all girls go [00:13:28] through this like tomboy phase but I [00:13:29] went through a phase and I was in fifth [00:13:30] grade and I was acting you know I I [00:13:32] wanted to just play with the boys [00:13:32] thought the boys were having more fun I [00:13:34] just thank God that this wasn't [00:13:37] fashionable at the time and I know that [00:13:39] you're you're it definitely wasn't but [00:13:42] now it's like parents are just like yay [00:13:45] I want my kid to be different and I'm [00:13:46] throwing them into this right I want to [00:13:48] specify quickly on the four I use that [00:13:52] specifically when I'm interviewed like I [00:13:53] said before I'm going to be really [00:13:55] honest and I use that because that was [00:13:57] something that was told to me in a [00:13:59] private moment with me and my mom when I [00:14:01] was asking her to reflect but that was [00:14:03] just the start but as you can imagine [00:14:05] there was many other things she started [00:14:07] to share with me like between us [00:14:10] intimate moments of things I remember [00:14:12] this and that and that was because I was [00:14:14] searching for that truth and I'm also a [00:14:17] very open-minded person so I wanted to [00:14:19] understand myself better so I get what [00:14:22] you're saying but it's almost like I [00:14:23] have to use that as a benchmark but it [00:14:26] wasn't like you said it at 4 and then [00:14:28] like actioned it or you said it at four [00:14:30] and then never said it again that was [00:14:32] just the start of what she could [00:14:34] remember and then moved forward for [00:14:36] years yeah but even if she's doing that [00:14:38] post because she wants to validate the [00:14:40] pre it's still dishonest to me because [00:14:43] every parent knows that toddler's just [00:14:45] say and do ridiculous things and so if [00:14:47] she's validating that for you now then I [00:14:50] my fear is that maybe your mother was [00:14:52] validating that for you be out of love [00:14:54] the entire time but I want to jump back [00:14:56] into your narrative before we talk about [00:14:57] those aspects so you said that when you [00:14:59] were in high school uh you I guess could [00:15:03] just elaborate I don't know if you were [00:15:04] saying like you were trans or started [00:15:06] saying some trans things and then people [00:15:08] made you feel that you couldn't do that [00:15:10] um it was b m SCH um yeah so in in [00:15:13] Australia sorry it's a little bit [00:15:14] different we have primary and high so [00:15:16] I'm not super sure but we've got like [00:15:18] grade 1 to grade seven and then grade [00:15:20] eight to grade 12 so how old um so it [00:15:23] would have been from like the age of 10 [00:15:26] to like the age of 17 where I was in the [00:15:29] um moment um but I wanted to clarify [00:15:32] that I never used the word trans um [00:15:35] growing up because I didn't have the [00:15:37] education of what that word was how I [00:15:40] identified is that I felt um like a [00:15:43] female but I just was aware that that [00:15:46] wasn't possible at that time that's the [00:15:48] best way I can put it I was just like [00:15:49] I'm a girl but unfortunately that's not [00:15:52] matching and that's just how I that's [00:15:54] all I can verb verbalize it as but the [00:15:57] reason why other people caught on to [00:15:59] that is because every day of my life [00:16:02] people literally were like yeah like she [00:16:05] her girl um I would cross the street and [00:16:08] they BL good morning ladies and then [00:16:09] everyone would laugh like it was this [00:16:11] knowing thing that people weren't been [00:16:13] like trans or derogatory things at [00:16:15] school but they were literally like what [00:16:17] the hell are you without using swear [00:16:20] words so that's interesting so why would [00:16:23] somebody say good morning girls to you [00:16:26] if you weren't presenting as trans [00:16:29] that's I'm saying that's how feminine I [00:16:30] was in literally a school uniform um [00:16:34] presenting as me just me just like [00:16:37] whatever was perceived by the public as [00:16:40] female okay so I believe that you can be [00:16:42] a feminine you can act feminine that I [00:16:44] totally believe it wasn't really acting [00:16:46] because it was a visual response you [00:16:48] know what I'm saying like you know the [00:16:49] lollipop ladies that I'm not sure if [00:16:51] youall have them in America like with [00:16:52] the sticks like stop go so it wasn't [00:16:55] like a act of me prancing or anything it [00:16:57] was just the visualiz and it was the [00:16:59] head and I've grown up well just growing [00:17:02] up and I've had friends who um were more [00:17:06] feminine in class than yes you know [00:17:10] other other you know people so we kind [00:17:13] of could tell you know what I mean even [00:17:15] at a young age what um what people want [00:17:19] it to be and what what people liked but [00:17:21] I still think even in liking and loving [00:17:25] um pertaining to like the job at hand [00:17:27] the execution being on time making sure [00:17:29] the work is done I think that's that's [00:17:32] what matters and I think the privacy of [00:17:35] like people's love and [00:17:37] affection sometimes to me is TMI to to [00:17:41] the job at hand and to what we are and [00:17:44] what we're all trying to accomplish in [00:17:45] our goals so um but I guess my question [00:17:48] is and I'm I'm agreeing with you [00:17:49] actually we're in radical agreement here [00:17:50] because I've gone to school and I've [00:17:51] seen boys that are feminine yeah at a [00:17:54] young age I didn't graduate with a [00:17:55] single trans person those people did not [00:17:57] decide to go trans now obviously there [00:18:00] there's been explosion of of the trans [00:18:01] agenda they were just gay and so and so [00:18:05] I would like to know at what point did [00:18:09] you go from just being a feminine boy to [00:18:12] saying no actually I think it's more [00:18:15] than that and I am needing to change my [00:18:20] life yeah so um like I stated before it [00:18:24] was always the internalized um thought [00:18:27] at process but just because of my [00:18:29] intellect at the time I didn't know the [00:18:32] possibilities of how I could execute it [00:18:34] but the feelings were always there and I [00:18:36] guessed that I was hoping when I got [00:18:38] older I would be able to gain more [00:18:40] resources and more knowledge and it [00:18:42] could be possible to you know match the [00:18:45] outside of how I was thinking but I want [00:18:47] to specify that there was gay people in [00:18:50] my school and like y'all both agreed on [00:18:52] like feminine gays and it's so [00:18:55] interesting because and these guys will [00:18:57] probably hear this cuz they're still on [00:18:58] my Facebook but it was so interesting [00:19:01] cuz even in little old Perth Australia [00:19:03] they still identified and treated these [00:19:06] gay boys in my class different to me I [00:19:09] was always on the outer it was like they [00:19:11] were the gays and I was the she so even [00:19:14] then with no knowledge and no [00:19:16] understanding they were still being like [00:19:19] it's different because these gay boys [00:19:21] weren't like straight gays as we call [00:19:23] them they were feminine gay boys and I [00:19:25] was the she so like you can imagine and [00:19:29] that if that was the perception it was [00:19:32] matching what I was feeling but I just [00:19:33] wasn't vocalizing it so when did you [00:19:36] begin to vocalize that um I vocalized it [00:19:38] when I was 17 um my I was very blessed [00:19:41] in my family that they allowed me to do [00:19:43] grade 11 and 12 at Kingsway Christian [00:19:45] College I was kind of like at a point at [00:19:48] the school that I went to that was [00:19:49] really rough that I wanted to graduate [00:19:51] and my auntie and like um my family were [00:19:54] at a local church and they got me into [00:19:56] that school which was really prestigious [00:19:58] and Sou and you know I could knuckle [00:20:00] down and do my studies and graduate and [00:20:02] throughout that time and especially [00:20:04] being around like devout Christians and [00:20:07] going to church and doing Bible study [00:20:09] and things like that I just knew how I [00:20:10] fell and knew what I needed to do so it [00:20:12] platform from um like literally legal [00:20:15] age so when I graduated in Australia it [00:20:18] falls on you becoming 18 yeah according [00:20:21] to a recent report Planned Parenthood [00:20:23] continues to rake in billions despite [00:20:24] dwindling clients the biggest takeaway [00:20:26] is that planed Parenthood is generating [00:20:27] vast profit including millions in [00:20:29] taxpayer funding with pre-born we are [00:20:32] actively trying to steal their clientele [00:20:34] meaning to rescue the babies that they [00:20:35] are attempting to kill pre-born operates [00:20:38] in a very slim budget rescuing over 200 [00:20:40] babies lives every single day with no [00:20:41] Government funding pre-born network of [00:20:43] clinics are situated in the darkest [00:20:45] corners of the nation competing [00:20:46] head-to-head with the abortion Giants [00:20:48] and they need our help now more than [00:20:50] ever when you donate $28 to pre-born you [00:20:52] will offer a free ultrasound to an [00:20:54] expectant mother that is caught in a [00:20:56] crisis because once she hears that [00:20:57] heartbeat and sees that at precious life [00:20:59] her baby's chance at life doubles so [00:21:02] sponsor a precious baby's life today [00:21:04] your tax deductible gift will go [00:21:05] directly towards saving a baby's life [00:21:07] you just dial pound 250 and say the [00:21:10] keyword baby that's pound 250 baby or [00:21:14] you can head to pre-born [00:21:16] docomond that's pre-born [00:21:19] docomond so I'm going to cut to you rayj [00:21:21] because we've all been 17 before we've [00:21:23] all been teenagers I I would almost say [00:21:26] that you could qualify the teenage [00:21:28] experience as just an identity crisis [00:21:30] like one long identity crisis you're [00:21:31] trying to figure out literally who you [00:21:33] are yeah that is what adolesence is [00:21:35] you're and and that's why I say quite [00:21:37] jokingly but kind of also seriously [00:21:39] bring back cigarettes because now there [00:21:41] are just an explosion of children who [00:21:42] think they're non-binary think they're [00:21:43] transgendered no matter how you estimate [00:21:46] it you know that there were not this [00:21:47] many people that were struggling and [00:21:49] like there was no they didn't all become [00:21:51] transgendered and so it is part of this [00:21:53] is becoming a contagion you know social [00:21:56] contagion well social contagion is real [00:21:58] right so you see me smoking cigarettes [00:21:59] everybody started smoking cigarettes I [00:22:00] mean that was the reason why cigarettes [00:22:01] got popular put on when you hit the [00:22:03] cigarette and you try to smoke it you [00:22:05] can't inhale it so you talk like we [00:22:07] stomp we stomped out cigarettes so there [00:22:09] used to be the majority of people in [00:22:10] America were smoking cigarettes and it [00:22:11] was because of advertising right so [00:22:13] people were looking the doctors were [00:22:14] telling them it was healthy that smoke [00:22:16] on the plane exactly so that used to be [00:22:17] a thing in America and then dial it back [00:22:19] they did the exact thing the reverse [00:22:20] marketing and we were suddenly running [00:22:22] in school everyone did the Dare program [00:22:24] and they kind of stomped out cigarette [00:22:26] smoking yeah they kind of smok they [00:22:28] stomped out cigarette smoking in America [00:22:30] and that's actually a joke that [00:22:31] Europeans make Americans don't smoke [00:22:33] cigarettes and so we know that [00:22:35] advertising works we know that you can [00:22:38] influence behavior and that's why I say [00:22:40] bring back cigarettes because now I feel [00:22:42] like when the kids were trying to rebel [00:22:43] against their parents when we were young [00:22:45] people were like smoking cigarettes [00:22:46] maybe smoking a joint now they're like [00:22:48] I'm nonbinary and kind of being sent [00:22:51] down this path way which for those who [00:22:54] really are just struggling with [00:22:55] adolescence there isn't really a way [00:22:58] back so if your child came to you at 17 [00:23:02] r j and said I am born into the wrong [00:23:07] body and I want to take puberty blockers [00:23:11] what would you [00:23:12] say well as a parent um man my kids are [00:23:15] four and six um you you don't really [00:23:19] know what how you're going to react but [00:23:22] I know for me I want to be the parent my [00:23:25] kids should I want them to be able to [00:23:26] tell me anything like the darkest is the [00:23:29] most complicated like what they're [00:23:31] really going through through internally [00:23:33] externally so I would be super open for [00:23:36] super support right that's the kind of [00:23:38] Dad I am um even with my son he's four [00:23:40] but there's been times where he's been [00:23:42] around and we were shooting whether it's [00:23:44] a movie or something and there was a lot [00:23:46] of women around and he said da da I love [00:23:49] the girls right and I went okay got it I [00:23:53] mean I don't know if I should bring him [00:23:56] in now because you're only four so I [00:23:57] would wouldn't do that but hey that's [00:24:00] what you like right now you came to me [00:24:02] and said it you even told your mom where [00:24:04] the girls at that in front of moms I [00:24:06] said son we got you know and so um I I [00:24:13] would just be there for them and I think [00:24:15] as as Society grows and as everybody [00:24:19] gains more knowledge um and you know you [00:24:23] have friends right I have friends I have [00:24:25] friends that are straight I have friends [00:24:26] that are gay I have friends that are [00:24:28] trans [00:24:29] and um and these are my close friends [00:24:31] and so I don't me personally I don't [00:24:33] care but I I also understand that it's [00:24:38] it's it's for them to make the choice [00:24:40] not for them to be programmed into a [00:24:45] choice that they might not be familiar [00:24:47] with and they're just following the [00:24:49] trend right so that's the that's where [00:24:52] you know you straddle the line with [00:24:53] everything with marketing and promo but [00:24:56] for me I mean I'm in full support of [00:24:58] what whatever my kids want to do and you [00:25:00] know heroin well I mean not that [00:25:04] pornography not that that's not [00:25:05] compartible but I'm saying in full [00:25:07] support of whatever my kids want do [00:25:09] meaning like meaning like but no meaning [00:25:11] like if they were doing that please come [00:25:14] tell me so I can help you like don't [00:25:17] push me out to where you don't feel [00:25:19] comfortable with telling your dad that [00:25:21] you got a problem right so yes I would [00:25:24] be in full support of listening to them [00:25:27] and helping them so as honest as they [00:25:30] can be I want to be the dad to make them [00:25:33] feel like anytime I'm going down anytime [00:25:35] I'm going up whatever I'mma always hit [00:25:37] my Dad and tell him what's going on you [00:25:39] know I'd like to yeah I would love to [00:25:41] say I would love for you to comment on [00:25:42] that because you said it's not [00:25:42] comparable to your kid participating in [00:25:45] pornography it's not comparable to your [00:25:47] kid doing heroin why would you say that [00:25:49] um I just wanted to piggy back as well [00:25:51] off the um cigarette like I'm giggling [00:25:53] in my head because it's true I have to [00:25:55] agree with you it's like even like in my [00:25:57] hometown it's just [00:25:58] whoo all of a sudden everyone's a smoker [00:26:00] where did that come from um so I did it [00:26:03] kind of giggle at that point but I want [00:26:04] to just make it very clear and I'm going [00:26:07] to open up a can can of worms here [00:26:09] because let's be honest and I said at [00:26:11] the start of the interview I'm trans and [00:26:12] I'm speaking for myself so I'm an [00:26:14] individual so you might be with me and [00:26:17] be like okay like she's got some points [00:26:19] like whatever whatever and someone else [00:26:20] could come across as literally crazy to [00:26:22] you so once again I can only speak from [00:26:24] my perspective but I want to make it [00:26:26] very clear that [00:26:28] there's two points so with the whole [00:26:31] where did all this trans and non-binary [00:26:33] come from we have to remember that as a [00:26:36] society We Are Forever evolving and [00:26:38] sometimes that's in not the best ways [00:26:40] let's be honest because sometimes the [00:26:42] world's becoming something that we wish [00:26:44] it wasn't but also we were in a place of [00:26:47] not only oppression but where people [00:26:49] were um it's like that silence or the [00:26:52] gag order where you can't speak up it [00:26:54] depending on jobs and discrimination and [00:26:56] serving for the country whatever it may [00:26:58] so a lot of people it's been documented [00:27:01] that we suffering we're suffering in [00:27:03] silence and they weren't able to do what [00:27:05] we can now because we live in a world [00:27:07] where it's more accepted but to piggy [00:27:09] back over that point I also want to make [00:27:13] a statement that as a trans person [00:27:15] myself I'm shocked sometimes because I [00:27:18] see all these people now that are under [00:27:20] the trans umbrella and I say the trans [00:27:22] umbrella cuz that shocks me sometimes um [00:27:25] where they're like I'm trans and I will [00:27:28] see them in public like hiking [00:27:30] presenting as a boy with a beard and I'm [00:27:32] shook because it's like that's not me so [00:27:35] they're not being so they're not being [00:27:37] transparent I don't want to make it like [00:27:39] a physicality thing cuz I know people [00:27:41] instantly read people like me saying [00:27:42] I've got pretty privilege I'm passing [00:27:44] privilege I'm white privilege and all [00:27:46] these other privileges but it's not [00:27:47] about that for me what it's about is [00:27:50] that I want people to understand that [00:27:51] being trans and if you truly are trans [00:27:54] it's a journey that should happen [00:27:55] between you and your parents and you [00:27:58] know the medical practitioner and it [00:28:00] shouldn't be something that's [00:28:01] sensationalized and a circus act it [00:28:04] should be down to the individual and I [00:28:06] feel like if you hit all those points [00:28:08] and it's meant to be there would be less [00:28:10] so I can kind of agree with what you're [00:28:12] saying in that sense because when I sit [00:28:14] in the room with someone else that [00:28:16] claims trans and I'm like looking at [00:28:19] them like come on be for real but now [00:28:22] why can't even say that so some people [00:28:24] are faking it well it's just a social [00:28:26] contagion which is what I was saying so [00:28:27] social contag are real and I want to [00:28:30] specify on that it's the social [00:28:31] contagion for that I can understand what [00:28:34] you're saying but that's for the people [00:28:36] that are adding on to the community that [00:28:37] I don't feel a genuine I feel like [00:28:39] that's the difference so I would [00:28:41] disagree with that and I disagree [00:28:43] virtually with Bill marah and everything [00:28:45] but even he did a segment obviously he's [00:28:47] on the left he's I guess you consider [00:28:49] himself to be an ally of the lgbtq plus [00:28:52] community and he showed a map of [00:28:55] transgenderism across the United States [00:28:56] and he said well if this is not a social [00:28:58] contagion can you explain to me why so [00:29:00] many kids in LA are trans and yet kids [00:29:02] in Ohio and he showed on the map and [00:29:03] he's he's well that shows you it's [00:29:05] social contagion this just bring back I [00:29:06] I'll get that clip to you later where he [00:29:08] shows the map of the trends uh where [00:29:10] transgenderism is happening and [00:29:11] obviously In that clip he's talking [00:29:12] about puberty blockers and you said you [00:29:15] were 17 that you then realized there was [00:29:17] something else that was going on with [00:29:19] you but you know just speaking about the [00:29:22] development of the human brain your [00:29:24] brain is literally not developed at 17 [00:29:26] years old right you are not not a formed [00:29:28] person at 17 17-year-old rayj [00:29:31] 17-year-old Candace think about how much [00:29:33] I sted at 18 sorry I just wanted to [00:29:36] specify 17 was um grade 12 for me and [00:29:39] then I started 18 and in Australia 18 is [00:29:41] legal not 21 legal and brain development [00:29:43] are two totally different things yes you [00:29:45] can go to war all that stuff but I mean [00:29:46] kids are drinking at 15 that's totally [00:29:49] fine which I don't support by the way [00:29:50] right but just to be clear your brain is [00:29:52] not fully like like the human mind is [00:29:54] not fully developed until 26 years old [00:29:56] right I think it had I think the [00:29:58] experience of the human gets better so [00:30:01] your experience makes you have more [00:30:02] knowledge right doesn't mean that you [00:30:04] aren't your greatest at 18 and 19 and 20 [00:30:07] you know those are and I was in full [00:30:10] knowledge of like my thoughts and and [00:30:12] and in control over that because you [00:30:14] have to remember to take it back this is [00:30:16] not a decision that I made like some [00:30:18] random like oh you know what I want to [00:30:20] be a girl at 17 and start at 18 to me [00:30:23] I'm too smart for that that's reckless I [00:30:25] don't think that that's wise like you [00:30:28] got to marinate in the decision and [00:30:30] that's what I would the advice that I [00:30:32] give to people all the time this is not [00:30:34] something that you click your fingers [00:30:35] for this for me was over a decade so [00:30:38] when I made my choice at 18 I totally [00:30:40] get what you're saying with brain [00:30:41] development but for me it was just [00:30:43] finally time because I had all of that [00:30:46] time and this is a lifestyle like I told [00:30:48] you this was not I didn't even care that [00:30:51] other people were calling me she and her [00:30:52] 24/7 because I knew how I felt but that [00:30:55] was you you like that of course I did [00:30:57] but but also embarrassment came with [00:30:59] that cuz I was like you know the kids [00:31:01] would laugh when did when did you decide [00:31:04] to do the full the full change was at um [00:31:09] 19 and a half I say 19 and a half um a [00:31:12] year and a half later you went from this [00:31:15] is my decision at 1718 to I'm going to [00:31:18] go under the knife and did you get [00:31:19] bottom surgery no that was my first [00:31:21] surgery I had breast augmentation and [00:31:23] then a few years after that I had SRS [00:31:27] okay which is also known as being [00:31:29] posttop Trend or sex change or gender [00:31:31] reassignment surgery there's so many [00:31:33] different names why did you choose and [00:31:36] as your first surgery to get breast [00:31:39] augmentation um to be honest and I will [00:31:41] be very honest about this um when I got [00:31:45] breast augmentation I felt like it was [00:31:47] almost like something that I needed for [00:31:49] a visualization of a female like a [00:31:51] sensationalized in the sense that oh I [00:31:53] want large breasts because that'll make [00:31:55] me more beautiful and I'm proud of [00:31:58] myself that many years later that I can [00:32:01] look back and kind of be like I actually [00:32:02] didn't need that because I had hormone [00:32:04] breast growth of the equivalent to like [00:32:07] a be cup and I was actually had like [00:32:09] great rests okay so that's interesting [00:32:12] so you're yeah at the same time that [00:32:14] you're saying that you were able to make [00:32:16] this mature decision yeah to go under [00:32:19] the knife or to recognize that you were [00:32:21] not a male I guess would be if I'm I [00:32:24] hope I'm okay you're also admitting that [00:32:26] you did something [00:32:28] kind of childish right I mean to say I [00:32:30] need big boobs I'm a girl child that I I [00:32:33] wouldn't do that I'm I'm an actual woman [00:32:35] right so I wouldn't do that because that [00:32:37] just sounds to me like someone who's [00:32:38] playing dress up like that just sounds [00:32:40] to me definitely not it wasn't a costume [00:32:43] but that is because the first thing if [00:32:44] if you genuinely thought like this is [00:32:47] who I am the first thing you do is get [00:32:49] boobs that's to me just like this is [00:32:51] what it means to be a girl but we [00:32:53] talking about surgically the first thing [00:32:56] I did but that's that to me is a costume [00:32:58] because women have all different breast [00:33:00] size there are some women that are [00:33:01] completely pancakes some that have huge [00:33:04] boobs I got a I got a new song Tit for [00:33:07] me but that's why I take um ownership [00:33:10] over the fact that what I'm saying is [00:33:12] not being a costume and not copying [00:33:15] anyone anyone or anything like that it [00:33:17] was a decision made by me that I thought [00:33:20] I needed and it wasn't any deep regret [00:33:23] it was just later on I was like I just [00:33:25] don't need that size because I knew I [00:33:27] needed B the thing is we have to be [00:33:29] specific that my own friends that are [00:33:32] born female have the same thing like my [00:33:35] best friend literally Heights her [00:33:36] implants but she's but but but she's [00:33:39] doing that for a different reason and [00:33:40] this kind of gets my point you said that [00:33:42] after and I want to slow this down [00:33:44] because I'm I'm making a point that I'd [00:33:45] like you to to understand you said that [00:33:48] once you realized that you were a female [00:33:51] you felt that you were a female and you [00:33:53] were in the wrong body the first thing [00:33:55] you did was do something that not make [00:33:58] someone a female right that you just [00:33:59] were like I'm going to get boobs so that [00:34:01] to me shows a tremendous immaturity [00:34:04] right now other one other women do this [00:34:06] they're just like I want to look like [00:34:08] Kim Kardashian this is a [00:34:10] trend but they're not doing it because [00:34:12] they're going I'm not a woman do you get [00:34:14] what I it is because my yeah because my [00:34:17] best friend literally got implants [00:34:19] because she and and I quote she was like [00:34:21] I feel like a boy because I've got no [00:34:23] boobs some some women big bre and some [00:34:25] people like like I I don't mind little [00:34:28] breast or big breast but women want to [00:34:30] go get that's what they say they're [00:34:32] doing that to masculinity but you're [00:34:34] saying masculinity and feminity are two [00:34:36] different things they don't attach it to [00:34:38] whether or not they are in fact a I like [00:34:41] they would never go to the doctor and [00:34:42] say if I don't get these boobs right I'm [00:34:45] a male no but I didn't think that I was [00:34:47] talking about aesthetically pleasing [00:34:50] that was my point but that but oh my [00:34:52] gosh I love that the [00:34:54] bre that's fine I just I just want to [00:34:56] say this that to me [00:34:58] is to me that's a costume and that's why [00:35:01] I call this is why I feel that it's [00:35:03] Woman face it's it's an idea it's like [00:35:06] uh this is what I believe women are [00:35:08] because I'm scrolling through and I'm [00:35:10] I'm giving you a modern example [00:35:11] obviously Instagram is not a ram when [00:35:12] you're doing this I'm scrolling through [00:35:14] Instagram and I think that the hottest [00:35:16] girl on Instagram is Sophia Richie so [00:35:19] what do I have to do to look like Sophia [00:35:20] Richie and that's going to make me a [00:35:22] woman that to me is Woman face right [00:35:24] that doesn't that doesn't make so yes [00:35:26] you're saying there's Aesthetics to it [00:35:28] and that is the reason why you will see [00:35:29] women all across La it's like dinner [00:35:31] practice they will get there but it's [00:35:33] the [00:35:34] aesthetic exactly for me once again [00:35:36] because I can only speak from a personal [00:35:38] point of view it was the aesthetic of it [00:35:39] just like my girlfriend like I stated [00:35:41] that's how she felt as a born female but [00:35:44] the costume for me because you're using [00:35:46] that and that is something that gets [00:35:48] thrown around in our community I want to [00:35:50] specify how I see the costume because I [00:35:53] actually agree with that terminology and [00:35:55] I hate when people treat being trans [00:35:57] like a costume because they do do it but [00:35:59] it's just not in that scenario a costume [00:36:01] to me is how I specified before where [00:36:04] people are going around saying I'm trans [00:36:06] and they want to reap the benefits of [00:36:08] being a trans let's say activist or [00:36:10] getting jobs as a trans spokesperson [00:36:12] whatever it may be and then you see them [00:36:13] at the corner store and it's like [00:36:15] literally like who did you detransition [00:36:17] overnight that's what I see as a costume [00:36:19] they went back to being well it's just [00:36:21] what she said it it can be a costume but [00:36:23] for me this isn't a costume I can't rip [00:36:25] it all off I know I've got I'm in Glam [00:36:27] now because I love Glam and you know I [00:36:29] like to feel and look good smell good [00:36:30] whatever whatever but at home no makeup [00:36:33] on hair up in a bun is giving woman is [00:36:37] giving what it is okay so you not a [00:36:39] costume for me you genuinely believe [00:36:41] that you're a woman 100% do I think I'm [00:36:44] a born female biological woman [00:36:46] absolutely not I'm a trans woman and I'm [00:36:48] well aware that I'm not a biological [00:36:51] woman and I want to make that statement [00:36:53] very loud because that's where it gets [00:36:55] crossed and where I think trans people [00:36:58] need to come to the table is [00:37:00] understanding that and letting [00:37:02] biological women know that we're well [00:37:04] aware we're trans women and if people [00:37:07] are out there saying anything otherwise [00:37:10] that's something that I don't want to [00:37:11] back right now we Bridging the gaps [00:37:14] right now we're Bridging the Gap cand [00:37:15] yeah I'm a well aware of who I am and [00:37:17] what I am do you rayj believe that [00:37:20] Danielle is a woman yes I don't I've [00:37:23] never once even every time we talk I've [00:37:26] always said Danielle I I that's [00:37:29] that's what it is like and all of my [00:37:31] friends that are in the community I mean [00:37:34] we have a whole gcy right shout out to [00:37:36] trod and dump and D it's the full gcy [00:37:39] right and then we have the girls club [00:37:41] right so there's different layers and [00:37:44] different um different things that [00:37:47] people like to do in their world that [00:37:49] they like to be outside of work but when [00:37:52] we all come to work everybody's on time [00:37:54] everybody's on point what happens after [00:37:58] work I mean it a you know what I'm [00:38:00] saying I I could only imagine what some [00:38:02] of my other friends do some of my um [00:38:04] boom operators and Camera guys they they [00:38:07] they real freaks right so who knows what [00:38:09] they doing all I know is that when we [00:38:11] did the girls club we shot it in the g [00:38:13] hills um it was a lot of intense um [00:38:17] drama you know everybody was trying to [00:38:19] tell their story so it got it got really [00:38:22] dramatic and it was a lot of like um [00:38:24] physical alteration so we had to call [00:38:26] another security team in security team [00:38:29] got there and the security team ended up [00:38:32] falling in love with all the girls there [00:38:36] so they never left so the security team [00:38:38] would hang out with the girls after the [00:38:41] set and when it was 8:00 call time they [00:38:44] just got off the bed and went to work [00:38:45] got dressed right because everybody [00:38:47] started locking in and that showed me [00:38:49] that you know it's you know people after [00:38:53] work and people in their own time is [00:38:55] going to love doing what they do so I [00:38:57] just want to be clear Danielle I think [00:38:59] you're a very kind person you're a very [00:39:02] open person I'm just so happy that [00:39:03] you're willing to have this discussion [00:39:04] but Ray J when you say that you believe [00:39:07] and shout out to the security team you [00:39:09] believe that Danielle is a woman you [00:39:12] believe that I am a woman I believe like [00:39:14] she said she's a transom okay and she [00:39:17] made it very clear that they understand [00:39:20] the difference but if someone what is [00:39:23] the difference that's what I'd like you [00:39:24] to answer RJ Ray J what is the [00:39:26] difference [00:39:29] well I would say What's the difference [00:39:33] is what you have like what what's on you [00:39:37] you know what I mean um and there is [00:39:41] really no difference but what your [00:39:43] preference is outside of work outside of [00:39:47] Us coming together and doing what we [00:39:50] need to do to to finish the goal at hand [00:39:53] no but what what is the difference [00:39:54] between me and Danielle she's a trans [00:39:57] woman and you're a the biology [00:40:00] biological woman is that what yeah cuz [00:40:03] I'm still being I'm educ getting [00:40:04] educated every day on it right right [00:40:06] asked a lot of question you're getting [00:40:07] educated on speech rather than being [00:40:09] educated on what you know to be right [00:40:11] and wrong well no I know well not right [00:40:13] and wrong I just know what what's the [00:40:15] difference so if you have to [00:40:16] differentiate and I'm I'm glad that you [00:40:18] are because I do think that that's much [00:40:19] more respectful than where a lot of [00:40:21] people are coming from um who I [00:40:23] self-identify as transgendered but if [00:40:26] you have to delineate if you have to say [00:40:29] I'm a transom and Candace is a woman [00:40:31] then that necessarily means that we are [00:40:33] not the same right we are something [00:40:35] different I think everybody is different [00:40:37] every human is different nobody's the [00:40:39] same yeah I agree nobody's I feel like [00:40:42] even I wanted to double on that point is [00:40:44] with interex let's be honest a lot of [00:40:46] people just back in the day used to say [00:40:48] hemaphrodite and now it's no no one is [00:40:51] intersect Hite and then now [00:40:53] grammatically correct is intersect [00:40:55] grammatically correct yeah and I'm [00:40:57] learning to mind you because I had to [00:40:59] learn what interex was Mite is when you [00:41:01] got when you're born with basically both [00:41:03] organs or um XY chromosomes mixed and [00:41:06] things like that so it's more it's not [00:41:08] just I'm going to take a hormone it's [00:41:09] actually the way you're born so what [00:41:11] does that mean so that basically comp it [00:41:14] makes the topic of trans actually more [00:41:17] complex because a lot of people now that [00:41:19] it intersects identify um under the [00:41:22] trans umbrella so it can get very tricky [00:41:24] in conversation because one point I [00:41:26] wanted to make is that I have often [00:41:30] wondered and maybe we could film this [00:41:32] one day cuz I actually don't know but my [00:41:34] family have actually pulled me aside and [00:41:37] said based on you know the way I look [00:41:39] move in my whole journey that um they [00:41:41] wanted to get a test to see if I was [00:41:43] actually into sex because it would make [00:41:45] more sense with my whole journey the way [00:41:48] I look and the way that my life is [00:41:50] unfolded but it's a very expensive test [00:41:53] from what I've heard and I never had [00:41:55] yeah so that's what CLE yeah and that's [00:41:58] when it does start to change because as [00:41:59] you can imagine and um even from a [00:42:03] religious standpoint because I've had [00:42:04] this conversation with Christian women [00:42:06] before does that then make it different [00:42:09] because it's actually is how you're born [00:42:12] versus a lot of people saying it's a [00:42:13] choice but like C we might be missing a [00:42:17] chromosome like there might be a you [00:42:19] what I'm saying there might be one [00:42:21] chromosome missing in certain humans [00:42:23] that we ain't paying attention to that's [00:42:25] why we Bridging the Gap today all right [00:42:27] some exciting news we just launched our [00:42:29] new store on Sticker Mule it's packed [00:42:31] with awesome cace Owens merch including [00:42:32] stickers t-shirts and more so go to [00:42:34] sticker mule.com Candace and check it [00:42:37] out now a big portion of 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something [00:43:24] goes wrong this is why you know like EX [00:43:29] and and orans can be [00:43:33] mixed something goes wrong when somebody [00:43:35] is born inter wrong because we yeah we [00:43:39] all believe that God had two head but I [00:43:42] feel like that could also be that's [00:43:44] God's creation because I'm I'm not [00:43:46] saying the person being alive is wrong I [00:43:48] am saying that Genetically speaking [00:43:49] there are tons of things that can go [00:43:50] wrong it's like you know people when [00:43:53] something happens because of who you're [00:43:54] married to and your genes are lined up [00:43:57] in a different way and some people can [00:43:58] be born special yeah blind in one eye [00:44:02] this that this you know there are tons [00:44:04] of things my dogs was blind but he was [00:44:07] moving people are people are born [00:44:08] different biting people but that is not [00:44:11] interex is not transgenderism because [00:44:14] transgenderism everything has gone just [00:44:16] right and at some point in that person's [00:44:18] life they just make a decision to say [00:44:21] that I want to start living as this [00:44:24] opposite sex that I was not born as and [00:44:26] that is why say this is a mental [00:44:28] disorder okay I don't view an intersex [00:44:30] person as having a mental disorder but [00:44:33] can but iew but I view a transgendered [00:44:36] individual as having a mental disorder [00:44:37] and I'm so I'll ask you a question is [00:44:40] Rachel dozo black pdon is Rachel dozo [00:44:43] black Rachel doz if you're not familiar [00:44:45] is is the woman who was wearing dark [00:44:48] makeup and uh was leading the and [00:44:51] leading the NAACP had grown her hair out [00:44:54] kinky into an afro and then it turned [00:44:55] out that her parents spoke out and she's [00:44:57] basically as white as they come and she [00:44:59] just was dressing every day as a black [00:45:01] person and passing as black and leading [00:45:03] the NAACP yeah and everyone I don't know [00:45:07] her so I don't want to comment on that I [00:45:08] want you to comment [00:45:10] because so she was just wearing I feel [00:45:13] like that's inappropriate and I feel [00:45:15] like going back to what you said before [00:45:17] that is a perfect example of costuming [00:45:19] well because see how that seems very [00:45:22] unfair and it feels judgmental because [00:45:25] to me if you're going to say that you [00:45:27] felt that despite the fact that you were [00:45:30] born a male that you felt on the inside [00:45:34] that you were something else and then [00:45:36] you went through steps to present as [00:45:38] that something else and then when I say [00:45:40] what about Rachel doil Rachel doil says [00:45:42] that she felt her whole life that she [00:45:43] was born in the wrong skin color and [00:45:45] that these weren't really her parents [00:45:47] and like she was black and so she [00:45:48] started presenting as black I just don't [00:45:51] see how you can be ideologically [00:45:53] consistent because no one will accept [00:45:55] Rich dollas though because that's black [00:45:57] face how could you say this but you're [00:45:58] sitting here like well I demand that I [00:45:59] get you know that like and I'm saying [00:46:01] you as the larger Community I don't [00:46:02] think you're being demanding at all yeah [00:46:04] at in this moment but it's just do you [00:46:06] see the hypocrisy of saying that a woman [00:46:09] can't just like why can't a white get [00:46:11] what you're saying I get what you're [00:46:12] saying and I see how people would [00:46:13] compare that but my thing is once again [00:46:16] is when we want to have conversations [00:46:19] about things it's never just an umbrella [00:46:22] and that's why when I hate when people [00:46:23] say that it has to be down to the [00:46:25] individual so as a as a mature smart [00:46:28] lady and you're telling me this and I'm [00:46:30] comprehending that I'm already [00:46:33] understanding it for what it is and [00:46:34] that's why every case is different [00:46:36] because that's no different very easy [00:46:38] question Isel do black but that but I [00:46:41] you know what I watched um something on [00:46:43] I think Fox and it was um they asked a a [00:46:49] a [00:46:50] transgender guy about it and he was [00:46:54] stuck on the question when they said if [00:46:57] I said I was black I think pce Morgan [00:46:59] said it and he said if so if I say I'm [00:47:01] black do you consider me black and I had [00:47:04] that he I said that to you inter yeah he [00:47:08] was stuck and he didn't know what to say [00:47:11] because he didn't wrong because I think [00:47:13] that the It's Tricky now with race yeah [00:47:17] and gend right not tricky it's very it's [00:47:19] and and I think that but here's the [00:47:21] thing the fact that that's a that [00:47:23] question kind of [00:47:24] stops the answer from flowing because [00:47:28] you got to we need to elaborate more on [00:47:31] that we need to we need to like we need [00:47:33] to figure out how to Fig how to really [00:47:36] understand that question because that's [00:47:38] being asked and it kind of shuts [00:47:40] everything but that's but there's a [00:47:41] reason it shuts everything down because [00:47:43] it's not a tricky question you she like [00:47:45] like literally in in 4 seconds Rachel [00:47:48] doil said that she was black that she [00:47:51] lived this way she was had a great job [00:47:53] at the NAACP fighting for black causes [00:47:55] suddenly her parents speak out everyone [00:47:57] can see that her parents are very white [00:47:59] and then they showed a picture of Rach [00:48:01] do it turns out this is like a blond [00:48:03] haired Scottish girl I mean what if she [00:48:06] was around what if she was around black [00:48:07] people for all her life well that's my [00:48:09] point right so and the reason why you [00:48:11] guys are struggling to answer this is [00:48:12] because what it does is it presents [00:48:14] strling it presents yeah you said Rachel [00:48:16] do is not black yeah she's not black and [00:48:18] also [00:48:19] I black and she's black and and what I [00:48:23] dis like if I want to be called killer p [00:48:26] y got to call me [00:48:27] the name I want at least you're being [00:48:29] consistent you're not being consistent [00:48:30] so at least you're saying that yes any [00:48:32] person can just say whatever they are [00:48:34] and we have to accept it if they feel [00:48:36] deep down and they went through middle [00:48:38] school and they felt that they were [00:48:40] black we have to suddenly but I'm not [00:48:41] saying that I would disrespect her for [00:48:43] saying like I wouldn't be like you're [00:48:45] not because to be honest that's got [00:48:46] nothing to do with me but if you ask [00:48:48] question it is costume me and that's [00:48:50] going back to what we said before which [00:48:52] is a major issue is that the blur the [00:48:55] lines get blurred because of of being a [00:48:57] costume and trans is not a costume it's [00:48:59] not a cloak when I take this off is that [00:49:02] but but the thing is once again it still [00:49:04] comes down to the [00:49:06] individual scenario and that is what it [00:49:08] is because I want to say that the thing [00:49:10] that I get throwing at me all the time [00:49:12] which people obviously think hurts me [00:49:14] and it doesn't it's laughable is people [00:49:16] are like okay you say you're trans well [00:49:18] I'm a unicorn or I'm A Cloud I mean it's [00:49:20] ridiculous how is it comparable well I'm [00:49:23] okay we do currently have children that [00:49:25] are saying that they trans species so [00:49:27] that's a reality there are are kids that [00:49:29] are saying that they're cats that [00:49:30] they're dogs we have to respect at least [00:49:32] you're being ideologically consistent at [00:49:34] least you're being consistent and that's [00:49:36] fair I'm not saying because but you said [00:49:39] Rich Doo wasn't black but what I'm [00:49:41] saying is like we are living in a [00:49:43] society where we have rules and [00:49:45] regulations right and we have we have a [00:49:49] government we go to jail when we do [00:49:51] wrong right so it is the wow wow West so [00:49:54] there's things that get better and [00:49:56] people get more honest and then there's [00:49:58] also people who abuse the honesty cuz [00:50:01] now it's changing into something that's [00:50:03] like um the end thing really there's [00:50:06] people who are really in it for real and [00:50:09] then there's people who are just kind of [00:50:11] try yeah imitators imitators but you're [00:50:13] not an imitator like you went through [00:50:15] the whole thing exactly and I know who I [00:50:17] am and it's not a joke and it's not a [00:50:19] costume and I wanted to double back on [00:50:21] something really important and obviously [00:50:24] it's your opinion so I don't even want [00:50:25] to be disrespectful on but I know a lot [00:50:28] of times you've stated that um you know [00:50:31] trans being transgender cuz I don't like [00:50:33] the word transgenderism is um a mental [00:50:35] disorder but you know the the APA states [00:50:39] that it's not a mental disorder at all [00:50:41] and they're psychiatrist they're trained [00:50:43] psychiatrists and I knew you probably [00:50:45] knew I'd bring this up but you know the [00:50:47] APA states that it's not a mental [00:50:49] disorder at all so that's the American [00:50:52] Psychiatric association and also the [00:50:54] World Health order and what they St is [00:50:57] that it's actually just obviously gender [00:50:59] dysphoria and then the description from [00:51:01] gender dysphoria is the feeling of [00:51:03] distress from gender dysphoria but then [00:51:05] the interesting thing about this and I [00:51:07] want to bring this to you because this [00:51:08] is you know I know that's your statement [00:51:10] and that's mine but what's interesting [00:51:12] even about that to show how everyone is [00:51:15] so unique is I don't even have gender [00:51:17] dysphoria anymore because I don't ever [00:51:19] feel or walk around feeling like a guy [00:51:22] so see how it's so like gender disphoria [00:51:24] gendor [00:51:26] educated so gender dysphoria is when [00:51:29] trans people feel dysphoric about like [00:51:31] their gender so in the sense of a trans [00:51:33] woman being like Oh my God I feel you [00:51:34] know manly today I feel like a guy I [00:51:36] feel like blah blah blah and it brings [00:51:38] them down and that's what causes [00:51:39] feelings of distress and that's why it's [00:51:41] not considered a disorder because it's a [00:51:43] feeling of anxiety about that thing [00:51:46] about you but for me to double on that [00:51:49] I'm like but I don't wake up and ever [00:51:50] see a guy feel like a guy so I don't [00:51:52] have gender dysphoria so everything and [00:51:56] every individual is different and that's [00:51:58] why I'll always preach that point but [00:52:00] it's not a disorder I don't have a [00:52:01] mental disorder like I don't even think [00:52:04] about this on a day-to-day basis but I [00:52:06] am willing to come to the Forefront and [00:52:08] speak about trans rights and transness [00:52:11] because I am but I always want to show [00:52:14] people worldwide that you can clearly [00:52:16] see we're all different and we have [00:52:17] different background wish like I wish [00:52:19] some of the guys um that that you know [00:52:22] that are are like in love and infatuated [00:52:26] in this relationship I wish they would [00:52:28] come out and be like yo this is what it [00:52:31] is because some of them are my friends [00:52:32] and I'm like you whenever you feel like [00:52:34] it but you not wrong and I'm not going [00:52:36] to say nothing to none of the homies but [00:52:38] y'all got to speak up too and just come [00:52:40] out and love and hug is and show the [00:52:46] compatibility with what y'all like and [00:52:48] what what what's going on in the real [00:52:50] world yeah so I just want to go way back [00:52:53] because there's there I I do feel [00:52:55] there's this intentional speeding [00:52:57] through the Rachel Doo point before we [00:52:58] get to the psychological which there's a [00:53:00] reason why the APA which is in charge of [00:53:03] psychology is even commenting on this [00:53:05] issue because they know that it's a [00:53:07] psychiatric issue or they wouldn't have [00:53:09] to comment on it um so Rachel Doo I want [00:53:13] to go back to that because this is a [00:53:14] very important point and I I do feel [00:53:15] you're pedaling past because you realize [00:53:17] this it's it's [00:53:19] this okay well it doesn't matter let's [00:53:21] let's say any individual this is an this [00:53:23] is an individual who is committed and [00:53:26] living as a black person when in fact [00:53:28] they were born with parents that are [00:53:30] whiter than snow so nobody was black no [00:53:33] nobody not even not even a simar not [00:53:36] even didn't say pretty sure I've seen [00:53:38] this on or something a Spanish song [00:53:41] probably never got listen to a Spanish [00:53:43] song it was not even a drop I know among [00:53:45] the L of what you're talking about I [00:53:46] think I've seen it [00:53:48] on instantly said yeah and have held to [00:53:51] the point that Rachel doil is not a [00:53:53] black person so if Rachel doil is not a [00:53:56] black person but believes that she is a [00:53:59] black person on the inside what is [00:54:01] Rachel Doo suffering from so for me [00:54:04] personally like I will say once again [00:54:06] because I don't know her story but based [00:54:08] on what you're telling me I will go back [00:54:10] to the point every time that what it [00:54:12] sounds like is that she's costuming [00:54:14] that's what it is to me if Rachel [00:54:16] believes she's black that's not only not [00:54:18] my place to comment on I don't know that [00:54:20] girl so it doesn't bother me but if [00:54:22] someone doesn't believe in what she's [00:54:24] doing is right if it's publicized or [00:54:26] whatever that's their opinion but do I [00:54:28] think that she has a mental disorder my [00:54:31] answer is who am I to even comment on [00:54:33] that because I'm not a pych let let me [00:54:35] just let me just have no idea I agree [00:54:38] with you about she is costuming right [00:54:41] but does she have a mental [00:54:42] disorder if you are living your life as [00:54:45] something that you are not and you [00:54:48] believe inside of you that you are this [00:54:50] she's not hurting anybody but she is [00:54:53] suffering from a mental disorder okay [00:54:55] this this is where things get tricky so [00:54:59] you and Rachel doil are actually [00:55:03] embodying the exact same thing right [00:55:06] both of you [00:55:10] believe anybody watching this is going [00:55:13] this is a very valid point both of you [00:55:15] believe that you are something that you [00:55:16] are not and you have gone through [00:55:18] extremities to live as something that [00:55:20] you are not you're not but this is a [00:55:22] costume and that's my point what exact [00:55:24] everything you are saying to Rachel doil [00:55:27] you could say to yourself right Rachel [00:55:29] doil could share a story let me c this [00:55:31] out Rachel doz could share a story and [00:55:33] say you know from the time I was a kid [00:55:35] when I was four my mom looked down at me [00:55:38] and said that you were showing [00:55:39] characteristics of being black and then [00:55:42] when I was in school everyone was like [00:55:44] Rachel kind of like you know one of the [00:55:47] black she was kind of thick too right [00:55:48] yeah yeah Rachel was kind of thick [00:55:50] that's what I'm saying I remember no no [00:55:52] no I do I like okay you got [00:55:56] black you know Rachel at 17 years old [00:55:59] was going to Christian school and was [00:56:00] like you know what I'm ready to do the [00:56:02] first thing and so Rachel Rachel went [00:56:04] and got her hair corn so she said she [00:56:05] was mixed she got her hair Corn [00:56:07] Road and then she started wearing the [00:56:10] the makeup getting tanned all the stuff [00:56:11] and then next thing you know Rachel dozo [00:56:13] fully believed right and so I'm out here [00:56:15] like justice for Rachel dozo because if [00:56:17] you're out here saying that you're a [00:56:19] woman then Rachel dozo has every right [00:56:21] to be a black person and the reason why [00:56:22] Rachel dozo that case study makes you [00:56:24] uncomfortable is because it hits a truth [00:56:26] it hits an objective reality which is [00:56:28] that you cannot just say because you're [00:56:31] willing to get surgery or because you're [00:56:33] willing to do your hair a certain way or [00:56:35] that you're or that you're willing to [00:56:37] wear makeup that you are something that [00:56:39] you're not now that said I don't have an [00:56:41] issue like there's nothing that you're [00:56:43] doing I think this is where like it gets [00:56:45] mixed up where people pretend there's [00:56:46] some attack happening or we're saying [00:56:48] that you know you need to be put into [00:56:50] camps no I think actually you're a very [00:56:52] nice person you're just not a woman and [00:56:54] you're never going to be a woman but but [00:56:56] I know that and that's I wanted to make [00:56:58] that point but people weaponize that see [00:57:00] people people love being like you're not [00:57:03] a woman and I'm like yeah cool great [00:57:05] point I agree and then where did they go [00:57:07] cuz see they're weaponizing it because [00:57:09] they want to put us down like you're not [00:57:10] a real girl you never will be yeah I'm [00:57:12] aware I have a mother and three sisters [00:57:15] like I'm well aware and I'm okay with [00:57:17] that and I love the way I am and even [00:57:20] with Rachel to go back to your point if [00:57:22] Rachel wants to be that way go ahead [00:57:24] girl get your life that's what I'm [00:57:25] saying see so it's not me being [00:57:27] contradictory because the question was [00:57:29] is yes I feel she's costumey but girl [00:57:31] get your life if you want to do that do [00:57:33] it but it always comes back to us being [00:57:36] delusional but we're not we know we're [00:57:38] not biological women so it's scor and [00:57:40] see now we can all we can all go out and [00:57:44] I want to ask you a question cuz cuz I [00:57:46] actually find your energy like you know [00:57:48] like I feel like you're a strong woman [00:57:50] you're wise you're intellectual and I [00:57:51] actually get good energy off you I'm [00:57:53] like an energy kind of gal and I want [00:57:56] ask you in I know it's only been a short [00:57:58] time but us conversing and you know I [00:58:00] can tell you're listening when I'm [00:58:01] talking about my upbringing and stuff do [00:58:03] you see me as like a woman a trans woman [00:58:06] and stuff or do you see me as like he [00:58:08] and like a costume I think that you're [00:58:10] wearing a costume okay and and do you [00:58:12] see me as a boy or do you see me as a [00:58:14] trans [00:58:15] woman I mean I just or do you think I'm [00:58:17] a feminine Bo I just think that we've [00:58:19] adopted these words I think that you [00:58:21] have gender dysphoria you feel happier [00:58:25] in this meaning physicality cuz [00:58:27] obviously you've listen any person I [00:58:29] could get Ray J I mean makeup oh no way [00:58:31] r no but I'm saying like you know I you [00:58:34] you could have you seen X-Men I mean [00:58:36] Charlie steren [00:58:38] the asking physicality but even without [00:58:41] makeup like I can get photos and sent to [00:58:43] you with me with no makeup no editing [00:58:44] whatever I'm more mean like in the sense [00:58:47] cuz this is also a huge topic that and [00:58:49] in um the trans Community we call it um [00:58:52] being real or being possible those are [00:58:54] just like straight languages and um you [00:58:57] know it it doubles back to the fact that [00:59:00] I don't sit on a couch at a restaurant [00:59:02] or at a bus stop or whatever and be like [00:59:04] trans or whatever I actually passed as a [00:59:07] biological female so then it becomes my [00:59:09] responsibility to every day educate [00:59:12] people that I am trans and that's [00:59:13] usually out of respect because I like to [00:59:15] be honest with men I don't like to you [00:59:18] know deceive anyone or lie or whatever [00:59:20] but my thing is is if we were having a [00:59:22] conversation and it wasn't about this [00:59:24] and we were just vibing or if I went to [00:59:25] your church and stuff like you're not [00:59:28] looking at me as like a boy or like Glam [00:59:31] Ryan Glam well if to be fair I since I [00:59:34] knew you were coming here I feel it's [00:59:35] not a fair question to ask because but [00:59:38] to be clear there are tons of especially [00:59:41] today you could literally look at [00:59:43] somebody on the internet and never know [00:59:45] that they lived at the opposite sex and [00:59:48] that's that or that they were born um as [00:59:51] as the sex that they're not presenting [00:59:52] rather is the best better way to say it [00:59:54] but to me [00:59:57] I I don't know like for me I think that [01:00:00] it's just dishonesty do you know what I [01:00:03] mean if you're not being hon if you're [01:00:04] not being [01:00:06] honest like one time and I ain't never [01:00:08] told nobody this but I put on a wig one [01:00:11] time right y so when I put on the wig [01:00:13] because I was trying to get into this [01:00:14] other character so I put on the wig I [01:00:17] looked in the mirror and I went oh my [01:00:19] God and I was attracted to [01:00:21] me y'all so I [01:00:23] took and I went what just happened [01:00:26] happened he was in character I didn't [01:00:28] know what happened but I was like [01:00:31] because I had it on and I went like that [01:00:32] cuz it was in my it was in my um eye so [01:00:35] I went like that and I took it off [01:00:37] because I was attracted to me yo and I [01:00:40] love me but I didn't know I love me like [01:00:42] that like I look good so I never did it [01:00:46] again I'm so happy that you shared that [01:00:48] I just yeah I don't know why but I felt [01:00:51] like it's good to just be vulnerable [01:00:52] here but yeah that's what happened to me [01:00:54] it's just a safe space yeah thank you I [01:00:57] a gorgeous woman you would make a [01:00:59] gorgeous woman no I just liked me I was [01:01:01] like damn and then I went oh that's me I [01:01:04] think one of the things that when when [01:01:06] conservatives are speaking with people [01:01:08] on this issue and people think that it's [01:01:09] so hardcore and some of the I guess [01:01:12] belligerence that I think people are [01:01:14] sensing and there is a belligerence [01:01:15] there and the belligerence is coming [01:01:17] from the fact that what used to be a [01:01:20] very small minority of people who were [01:01:21] suffering from gender dysphoria has now [01:01:24] been mainstreamed and it's become a [01:01:26] social contagion and I feel particularly [01:01:28] responsive to it because I did sat sit [01:01:30] down with a person named Banna I don't [01:01:32] know if you had time to watch this um [01:01:34] interview that I did bana is [01:01:36] still identifies as transgender he was [01:01:39] very kind he and I sat down and he [01:01:43] basically reached out to me because he [01:01:45] like you decided to go through the [01:01:47] procedure things went very wrong um yeah [01:01:50] B went wrong yeah and at the end of the [01:01:53] day Banna realized he was just a gay guy [01:01:55] and [01:01:56] basically fell into the Trap of meeting [01:01:58] seeing people online seeing these shows [01:01:59] that were produced who made them think [01:02:01] it was going to be this easy thing and [01:02:02] you were going to be happier on the [01:02:03] other side when the majority of the [01:02:05] people actually aren't we know for a [01:02:07] fact that um suicide rates increase [01:02:10] after transitioning which they don't [01:02:12] share and so it feels to me and [01:02:15] especially and I can ask this to you Ray [01:02:16] J because you're presenting a show here [01:02:18] and you're going to contribute to this [01:02:20] culture of people thinking just like [01:02:21] Briana Ivy did that this is just oh this [01:02:24] is a decision it's going to be super [01:02:25] easy and this is just actually who you [01:02:27] are this is who you were born and this [01:02:29] is who you can be and that to me is just [01:02:32] such a demonstrable lie and it's a lie [01:02:34] that's hurting children you know it [01:02:36] children are wanting to be like Ray J [01:02:39] and thinking that this is cool and I'm [01:02:40] going to hang out with some trans people [01:02:42] and it's going to be dope and they're [01:02:44] having their entire lives like that was [01:02:45] the only time I almost cried on my show [01:02:47] was when Brianna was just boohoo crying [01:02:49] sharing how deformed he is how he wish [01:02:52] he had heard voices like mine saying [01:02:55] like you need to wait because you are [01:02:58] going down a path and you're paying [01:03:00] attention to culture which is just [01:03:01] trying to sell you the new Your Heart [01:03:03] Right and listen to the education that [01:03:05] like hopefully now we can provide we [01:03:07] have the gayen C we have Gat rpr I have [01:03:10] Ray Pride which is a C3 and and I think [01:03:13] we have the girls club and I think it's [01:03:14] just having these conversations where [01:03:16] people who are straight and people who [01:03:18] are gay people who are trans they could [01:03:20] all just sit down and just just talk it [01:03:22] through right as you watch that you [01:03:24] start to understand and get educated on [01:03:26] a lot of different things and I think [01:03:28] that's the most important is being able [01:03:30] to have these conversations with [01:03:32] different people who have different [01:03:34] opinions and different perspectives on [01:03:37] Life coming together and we're able to [01:03:40] have this debate and these [01:03:42] understandings and even if the first two [01:03:44] or three debates don't go right the [01:03:46] fifth one might you know the sixth the [01:03:48] sixth or seventh one Might as long as we [01:03:50] give each other time because everybody's [01:03:52] here now everybody's and everybody's [01:03:55] strong the communities are strong you [01:03:57] know the lgbtq is extremely strong and [01:04:01] they're supportive and they're down to [01:04:03] support people who are willing to [01:04:06] understand same with the Straits and I [01:04:08] say The Straits now because I've been [01:04:10] right it's the you know the Straits [01:04:12] right and you know um um and that's just [01:04:15] because I've been in both worlds a lot [01:04:17] lately and I feel good I feel good that [01:04:20] we're all able to talk I feel good that [01:04:22] we're able to sit and have this debate [01:04:24] without it going way to the left away to [01:04:26] the right um and I think we need more we [01:04:29] need more of this yeah and I wanted to [01:04:31] double on his point as well because Ry [01:04:33] doesn't even understand sometimes as you [01:04:37] know he's the CEO of Tronics and Ray's [01:04:39] just going to be Ray but he doesn't [01:04:41] understand the power and impact in a [01:04:43] positive way he has on us because we're [01:04:45] able to be very Hands-On with this [01:04:47] network and show and we're able to come [01:04:49] around and have access to someone like [01:04:51] Ry that's a producer that most people in [01:04:54] cast just do it and get to or you know [01:04:56] it's like shows overse later we've been [01:04:59] able after the show has wrapped to be [01:05:02] able to have intense personal private [01:05:05] whatever conversations with Ray and [01:05:07] really talk about real things like I I [01:05:09] mean my experiences I mean I got yeah [01:05:11] like we talk about everything we have [01:05:12] some loud things that I think we can [01:05:14] continue to elaborate on as we all grow [01:05:18] together yeah and I wanted to make make [01:05:19] a point as well that we don't sit there [01:05:22] and get told what we want to hear some [01:05:24] of these conversations are hard to have [01:05:26] um there might be disagreements [01:05:28] sometimes people not saying Ray but [01:05:30] might say something offensive so it's [01:05:32] not them just sitting in the room [01:05:33] telling us trans goes what we want to [01:05:35] hear you know and I had a lot of things [01:05:37] that I had things that have happened to [01:05:39] me that that that shocked me and that [01:05:42] y'all help guide me through that we can [01:05:44] elaborate on later cuz there another I [01:05:46] don't want I don't want to go too viral [01:05:48] but um you know um but you know it it is [01:05:52] it is always good to be able to talk and [01:05:55] disagree agree and it's not intensely [01:05:59] uncomfortable but it's fun and I think [01:06:02] um there's just a level of respect and [01:06:04] you having us on today just speaks [01:06:07] volumes on like you know you and what [01:06:11] you represent and how you given us the [01:06:13] opportunity to to talk and and and [01:06:16] debate and get an understanding cuz a [01:06:19] lot of people you know listen to you A [01:06:21] lot of people are supportive of the [01:06:23] trans Community the gay community [01:06:26] together Bridging the Gap at least just [01:06:28] for Mutual understanding um and respect [01:06:32] from all sides is really strong and [01:06:36] think being respectful is super [01:06:37] important and I'm grateful that you guys [01:06:40] respect that you know my opinions [01:06:42] haven't changed on the issue and one of [01:06:44] the biggest reasons which I wanted to [01:06:45] communicate to you from the conservative [01:06:47] community and why we feel like we have [01:06:49] to be so strong on the conservative [01:06:53] Community meaning the straight community [01:06:55] or just the conservative Community [01:06:57] conser politically conservative and the [01:06:58] reason why this matters so much [01:07:00] especially deeply for those of us who [01:07:02] have kids and see what's happening in [01:07:03] the school system is because at the [01:07:05] moment that you say that there is no [01:07:06] objective reality everything becomes [01:07:09] possible and some people hear that and [01:07:10] they're like Yay Disney World everything [01:07:12] becomes possible but the reality is is [01:07:14] that if you say there's no such thing as [01:07:17] a male and there's no such thing as a [01:07:19] female and anybody can decide what they [01:07:21] are when they want they can say I'm A [01:07:22] different race I'm transracial you know [01:07:24] I I'm trans sexual I'm transgendered [01:07:27] then at event eventually and very [01:07:29] quickly we will wind up at people saying [01:07:31] that and there have been examples of [01:07:33] this people saying that they're actually [01:07:35] a different age so you have a [01:07:37] 60-year-old man but it's not funny [01:07:39] because this is real but you this is [01:07:40] real you have have a 16-year-old man who [01:07:42] is saying that he self-identifies as a [01:07:45] 13-year-old and these people go and they [01:07:47] commit acts of pedophilia this has [01:07:49] happened and they have they have places [01:07:51] where they go and be babies and they [01:07:53] like and this is real [01:07:58] the LGBT I [01:08:02] don't that statement that that people [01:08:05] like that because I've heard that in [01:08:07] different statements and once again is [01:08:09] like crazy that as a transp person under [01:08:11] the umbrella I'm slumped with these [01:08:13] people but maybe that's their [01:08:17] per per I get that you don't identify as [01:08:20] that but it is ideologically speaking [01:08:23] the same thing if we don't say that [01:08:24] there is an objective it would actually [01:08:26] be better if a transperson said I accept [01:08:30] this is actually a mental disorder I [01:08:32] don't want to say to people because by [01:08:35] the way people have other mental [01:08:36] disorders bipolar I got people have this [01:08:39] is there is there another is there [01:08:40] another word but let me let me let me is [01:08:43] there another word can besides mental [01:08:45] disorder because it is something because [01:08:47] this I don't think this is triggering I [01:08:49] don't know why suddenly people are so [01:08:50] Trigg with this it's your mental and [01:08:52] something is out of order it's because [01:08:53] it's not real K but some people are [01:08:56] people don't like to eat food because [01:08:57] they want to be just give me one second [01:08:58] let me just get through this okay it is [01:09:00] it is right so there can be people [01:09:02] that's right who have body dismorphia [01:09:03] that is a mental disorder you have [01:09:05] people who are anorexic I used to have [01:09:06] anorexia I had a mental disorder okay I [01:09:09] was Tiny and I was doing it as a control [01:09:12] mechanism I was very happy in fact the [01:09:14] only way to actually get better was to [01:09:16] accept that this is a mental disorder [01:09:17] okay I don't have an issue with that [01:09:19] term I don't think it's a problem [01:09:20] because at varying points in people's [01:09:22] lives your mental can get out of order [01:09:25] the issue when you don't acknowledge [01:09:27] that it is a mental disorder and you [01:09:28] instead just insist that like this is a [01:09:30] normal thing and people are born this [01:09:32] way means it becomes impossible to [01:09:35] attack that person ideologically [01:09:36] speaking if you start making laws and [01:09:38] saying this is real then that guy who [01:09:40] says I'm 63 years old and I believe that [01:09:43] I am 12 on the inside I never grew up [01:09:45] this is who I am Peter Pan send me to [01:09:47] Neverland and he molests another girl [01:09:50] and he goes into the court he says no [01:09:51] I'm 13 objective reality is what I feel [01:09:55] it's how I feel on the inside and I [01:09:56] actually your honor feel that I'm [01:09:58] actually 16 against the law now here's a [01:10:01] question but here's a question but this [01:10:03] is why we have to be a guard and this is [01:10:06] I'm speaking now on behalf of [01:10:08] conservatives we have to be a guard and [01:10:10] we have to say objective reality exists [01:10:13] okay objectively speaking bipolar it's a [01:10:16] disorder anorexia it's mental disorder [01:10:18] transgenderism bias morphia is mental [01:10:21] disorder this is all mental disorders [01:10:22] right and there are is a mental disorder [01:10:26] being trans is not a mental disorder so [01:10:28] we have to stick to the facts it is not [01:10:31] anorexia Andia and actually they're [01:10:34] skinny you say that's you have a mental [01:10:37] disorder I got a good question and but [01:10:38] you're saying that you are a male you [01:10:41] believe you're a woman and that's not a [01:10:43] mental disorder I'm just being specific [01:10:45] trans and [01:10:46] anorexia mental disorder and not mental [01:10:49] disorder the APA you only have to ask [01:10:51] the APA these are trained psychiatrists [01:10:53] and I understand that conservatives all [01:10:55] want to say that's to fill an objective [01:10:57] but at the end of the day it is what it [01:10:59] is not a disorder in the last couple of [01:11:02] years EXA a mental disorder no but it [01:11:05] was [01:11:06] misinformation and conservatives in the [01:11:08] past and somay they'll update that same [01:11:09] manual and they will say that minor [01:11:11] attracted people which is a term that [01:11:13] they're tossing around now because [01:11:14] they're saying it's offensive to call [01:11:15] them pedophiles and we should instead [01:11:17] call them minor attracted people some [01:11:19] day they're going to push to update the [01:11:20] manual then which is why I insist on [01:11:22] being a guard against that is [01:11:25] I don't want that attached to anything [01:11:27] to you know what LGBT how do you feel [01:11:29] about that talking about people saying I [01:11:31] identify as a 12-year-old all right guys [01:11:34] jumping in here to let you in on a [01:11:35] little Wireless hack that can cut your [01:11:36] cell phone bill in half every single [01:11:39] month ryzon AT&T and T-Mobile want you [01:11:41] to believe that you need unlimited data [01:11:42] so that you can be overcharged but [01:11:44] here's the fact most of you are buying [01:11:46] way more data than you actually will [01:11:47] ever need pure talk my cell phone [01:11:49] company only charges you for the data [01:11:51] that you actually want listen to this [01:11:52] for just $25 a month you can get [01:11:54] unlimited to talk text and 5 gigs of [01:11:56] data plus a mobile hotspot do you 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2% right That's How we'll [01:12:56] understand where we all are mentally [01:12:59] right because sometimes you'll have at [01:13:01] this phase and you'll get out of it this [01:13:03] phase right like you said you had a [01:13:05] phase you went through and now you're [01:13:07] you're out of it right how many people [01:13:09] in the world [01:13:11] are St [01:13:13] statistically suffering from a mental [01:13:15] disorder because I think that's how [01:13:17] we'll respect the word mental disorder [01:13:21] as opposed to um your perspective in [01:13:25] life it just means that your your ment [01:13:28] your mental is out of whack but how many [01:13:30] people in this world are going through [01:13:32] that I mean we probably won't be able to [01:13:33] figure it out now that's a very good [01:13:35] question because that will give us a a [01:13:39] good scope on people's perception of [01:13:42] what a mental disorder is I I I I genely [01:13:45] don't say that to be triggering I I like [01:13:46] I said I no I I'm fine with it it just [01:13:49] sometimes it triggers I'm fine I've had [01:13:51] me I've been mentally disordered from [01:13:54] the beginning right you know um I think [01:13:57] I think think triggers I think it [01:13:59] triggers you because you've gotten it [01:14:00] your whole life and it's not a trigger [01:14:03] but my point is is that I have to [01:14:05] represent not only myself but the [01:14:07] community to put out the information out [01:14:09] there that's factual and I know you're a [01:14:10] boss with that you're all about the [01:14:12] facts the facts are that it's not a [01:14:14] disorder and that's we got do a but I [01:14:17] understand some people opinions I get [01:14:19] but I just think that when when people [01:14:20] see this and obviously the internet will [01:14:22] internet but when they hear you call [01:14:24] Rachel Dollz like that's crazy when they [01:14:26] hear you say like oh the idea of [01:14:27] identifying as different age is crazy [01:14:29] but then you're being like but [01:14:31] this want be very specific people are [01:14:33] going to say okay but I'm very speciic [01:14:36] with my I want you I want you to give us [01:14:38] I want you to give us time to go back [01:14:40] and analyze the question in its entirety [01:14:43] because as I've done my study as i' I've [01:14:46] done I've studied a lot of things that [01:14:48] I've seen right that question is a very [01:14:53] very [01:14:55] last question of all that kind of like [01:14:57] puts the wall up on on it's on a wall [01:15:01] it's just telling you that this doesn't [01:15:02] make sense that's it right and that's so [01:15:03] you feel like it's a wall because you're [01:15:05] like oh wait suddenly I realized this [01:15:06] doesn't make sense and it's and now we [01:15:09] pedop a great question yeah it's a great [01:15:11] question for a reason because it it [01:15:12] instantly lets you realize hey we have [01:15:15] there is such thing as an objective [01:15:16] truth and if you cannot be ideologically [01:15:18] consistant then your idea makes no sense [01:15:21] it have apply I'm applying it here doll [01:15:25] is always not black a person who just [01:15:27] thinks that they're a race does not make [01:15:29] them so a person who thinks that they're [01:15:31] a gender does not make them so both comp [01:15:34] make point you brought question and I [01:15:36] think we need to go back and like [01:15:38] analyze the question a lot more and [01:15:40] let's let us dissect the question it's a [01:15:42] very the comment section will it's a [01:15:43] very powerful question no but I I think [01:15:45] that that's interesting that that's [01:15:47] brought up that the you know they're [01:15:48] going to jump on that but I know what I [01:15:50] said on camera so that's fine they can [01:15:52] say what they say but question see [01:15:55] Rachel for that but I never called her [01:15:57] crazy and I also was respect she wants [01:16:00] to live that that's her choice by the [01:16:02] way we all feel that way but they will [01:16:04] hear you say that she is not black and [01:16:06] then hear and then hear you say but I am [01:16:08] a woman what happened hold on because I [01:16:10] said I'm not a biological woman remember [01:16:13] that's why F and she's not a biological [01:16:14] black person but neither of you are [01:16:17] you're you're bull I got a identifying [01:16:20] as but I'm identifying as a trans woman [01:16:22] so see what I'm saying I'm owning what I [01:16:24] am so that theory doesn't work if I was [01:16:27] sitting here saying that I was [01:16:29] biological woman I feel like I would fit [01:16:31] in her category and that's the truth I [01:16:33] don't think she said she was a [01:16:34] biological black person she just was [01:16:36] living the whole statement was that she [01:16:38] was telling everyone from [01:16:40] C be it could be in a conservative black [01:16:42] neighborhood or it could be in like [01:16:44] cultural neighborhood like we up on what [01:16:47] she has been embedded in the community [01:16:49] and and she has been crowned and she has [01:16:52] been she has been blessed came out and [01:16:55] said I'm transracial and then live as a [01:16:57] black person then you would say we're [01:16:58] the same no because for me I own that [01:17:01] I'm not a biological woman and that I'm [01:17:03] a trans woman so that's why I feel like [01:17:05] so many people take harm from it [01:17:07] respectfully because there hasn't been [01:17:09] chats like this before where people like [01:17:11] me have spoken out and said that and [01:17:13] that's going to gag people because [01:17:15] people are like oh I didn't know that I [01:17:18] thought you go around saying you're [01:17:19] biological and that's the point that I'm [01:17:21] trying to make everything is so specific [01:17:23] and when you start in it into terms and [01:17:26] into categories it doesn't work like [01:17:27] that that's not life we have to be [01:17:29] specific with different people in [01:17:31] different scenarios me at next to the [01:17:34] next trans goal we might not meet ey to [01:17:36] eye at all and you might be like I can [01:17:38] understand you but I don't understand [01:17:39] what they're saying because it's just [01:17:41] out of field this was a this is a great [01:17:43] debate because we're actually talking it [01:17:45] through and I think there's so many [01:17:47] there's so much more of it that needs to [01:17:48] happen like this is a continuous thing [01:17:51] that needs to happen we would love to do [01:17:52] a monthly week like a well tell us tell [01:17:55] us RJ just so we can wrap this up and by [01:17:57] the way I do think this has been a very [01:17:58] constructive conversation and I I feel [01:18:01] at the very least respected in the fact [01:18:03] that you recognize that you and I are [01:18:04] not the same and that and I will tell [01:18:08] you of but we are the same we're all [01:18:09] humans yeah we're all you know what I [01:18:11] meant by that I I think that that's a [01:18:12] huge issue that a lot of women have [01:18:14] where it's like I can just tomorrow [01:18:15] decide to be you and I'm like I have [01:18:17] like I'm a woman and I respect you and [01:18:19] honestly I'm so glad I came because I [01:18:21] feel like when the cameras are off and [01:18:23] when you're just vibing and having a [01:18:24] chatly I know just even by the look in [01:18:26] your eyes I know like you can kind of [01:18:28] get it and I get it but the thing is we [01:18:30] can also agree to disagree and there's [01:18:33] things that we're just not going to meet [01:18:34] eye and I but it's this is why when you [01:18:37] have a debate and when you have a [01:18:39] conversation you have to be specific you [01:18:41] might not be eye to eye today but [01:18:43] tomorrow's a new day yeah maybe you [01:18:44] could Mentor me in a few days maybe I [01:18:46] could teach you a few I think you're and [01:18:48] I think you're very kind any y seriously [01:18:49] like and and and brave to come on here [01:18:51] and have this conversation where most [01:18:52] just talk trash on the internet and [01:18:53] haven't thought about no I [01:18:55] was last night that's very sweet tell us [01:18:59] about the show in closing tell us about [01:19:02] the show that Danielle is going to be on [01:19:04] yes well the show is out now it's on a [01:19:06] new it's on our new streaming platform [01:19:07] it's called Tronics Network t r n iix [01:19:10] network and it's called The Girls Club I [01:19:13] don't I'm not good at saying the G the [01:19:15] the Girls Club you know the girl spell g [01:19:17] w o r LS um and it has this little like [01:19:21] you know swing to the way you're saying [01:19:23] it the Girls Club I just kind of keep it [01:19:25] Bland but um it's a it's a really [01:19:28] powerful show and um it's one of our [01:19:30] shows that we really took time to make [01:19:32] sure everybody's story is told correctly [01:19:35] um you know our our goal on this new [01:19:37] network is not to benefit off the demise [01:19:40] of the drama right it's really to uplift [01:19:42] the talent uplift the creators and [01:19:45] inside of this dramatic world we live in [01:19:47] you you know you kind of just follow um [01:19:49] just follow the story and it's a really [01:19:52] I mean the ladies on this show are just [01:19:55] like I'm so happy that we're having this [01:19:58] debate us because um you know we all [01:20:01] listen to each other and we all tried to [01:20:03] understand what each other saying [01:20:05] whether we agreed or disagree some of [01:20:07] the other Talent might have went all the [01:20:10] way into another world the RO that's [01:20:13] because they didn't see this now [01:20:14] watching this um we'll just give people [01:20:17] an Insight on how to debate um and and [01:20:20] and really just try to like get people [01:20:22] to understand different perspectives and [01:20:24] and you've given us that opportunity and [01:20:26] where can people find you Danielle um on [01:20:29] Instagram Danielle Alexis and that's [01:20:32] Danielle with two eyes Okay well guys I [01:20:34] just want to say uh thanks for tuning in [01:20:36] for this conversation and if you go and [01:20:38] you want to find Danielle always be [01:20:40] respectful you know what we believe here [01:20:41] on the show is in radical Free Speech [01:20:43] let the best ideas win we don't believe [01:20:45] in denigrating people and calling them [01:20:47] names that is immediately means you've [01:20:48] lost the argument would love to hear [01:20:50] your feedback in the comments and we [01:20:52] will see you guys for another episode [01:20:54] soon [01:20:55] [Music]