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[00:00:00] Hello everyone, Manar Adi here, founder [00:00:02] and director of Mint Press News. So, the [00:00:05] Epstein files have been released by the [00:00:08] DOJ. And while it is very much a [00:00:10] controlled release of information, [00:00:13] something that we have been reporting on [00:00:14] for nearly a decade is the relationship [00:00:17] between Jeffrey Epstein, the state of [00:00:20] Israel, acting as a spy to blackmail US [00:00:23] politicians and figures to bring Israeli [00:00:26] intelligence closer to our [00:00:29] establishment. Now, the latest release [00:00:31] of Epstein files has once again revealed [00:00:34] the sorted and disgusting realities of [00:00:37] the global elite who rule over us. [00:00:40] Epstein was the centerpiece of a massive [00:00:43] financial, political, and sex [00:00:44] trafficking empire spanning across the [00:00:47] globe. And of course, if you've been [00:00:48] following Mit Press News since our [00:00:50] inception, we have been covering this [00:00:52] for over a decade through our series of [00:00:55] reporting with our journalist Whitney [00:00:58] Webb. Yet by 2019, the walls were [00:01:02] closing in and Epstein was eventually [00:01:04] arrested and died shortly after in [00:01:07] highly mysterious circumstances in a [00:01:09] Manhattan prison. But even the [00:01:11] circumstances around his death are now [00:01:14] [snorts] questionable. Epstein could [00:01:16] count presidents and princes as among [00:01:19] his closest associates, but our guest [00:01:22] today has been digging through thousands [00:01:24] of the files and revealed that one of [00:01:26] his best friends was a rather unexpected [00:01:30] figure, star anarchist, intellectual [00:01:33] Gnome Chomsky. Alan Mloud is senior [00:01:37] staff writer and podcast producer here [00:01:39] at Mint Press News and has just released [00:01:42] a 5,000word investigation into the Chsky [00:01:46] Epstein relationship. It's called the [00:01:49] Chomsky Epstein files, unraveling a web [00:01:53] of connections between a star leftist [00:01:55] academic and a notorious pedophile. [00:01:59] Alan, welcome to the show. [00:02:02] >> Pleasure to be back with you. [00:02:04] So, let's just start by running down the [00:02:07] key points in all of this. What are the [00:02:08] key facts you found based on digging [00:02:10] through the nearly 4,000 recently [00:02:13] released files that mention Nam Chi Nam [00:02:17] Chomsky, excuse me, our favorite leftist [00:02:19] academic. [00:02:22] >> It's pretty shocking, Minar. I guess if [00:02:24] I were to sum them up in bullet points, [00:02:26] I would say right up until Epstein's [00:02:28] arrest in 2019 for child sex [00:02:31] trafficking, Chsky was advising him on [00:02:34] crisis management, sympathizing with, [00:02:36] and I'm quoting his email directly here, [00:02:39] the horrible way you're being treated in [00:02:41] the press and public. So, Chsky was uh [00:02:44] providing Epstein with counsel on how to [00:02:46] best try and quash these rumors before [00:02:48] they got out of hand. On multiple [00:02:50] occasions, Chsky expressed his desire to [00:02:53] visit Little St. James Island, the [00:02:55] Caribbean, uh, hideout of Epstein, where [00:02:58] a lot of his worst crimes were [00:02:59] committed. Chsky flew on the Lolita [00:03:02] Express Jet. He stayed at Jeffrey [00:03:04] Epstein's mansions in New York, [00:03:06] including the uh, the one that [00:03:08] everyone's seen pictures of, and in [00:03:10] Paris. He regularly met him for dinner, [00:03:12] invited him to his house, and all sorts [00:03:14] of other social occasions as well. Chsky [00:03:17] met with a lot of Epstein's most [00:03:19] notorious friends including Steve [00:03:21] Bannon, Woody Allen and Ahood Barack. He [00:03:24] considered Epstein to be among his [00:03:26] closest friends and he used uh terms [00:03:28] like dear friend to um to describe Chsky [00:03:32] uh to describe Epstein. He Epstein uh [00:03:35] was probably Chsky's closest adviser in [00:03:38] terms of legal and financial advice and [00:03:41] he regularly exchanged gifts uh with [00:03:43] Epstein as well. And finally, I would [00:03:45] say that Chsky's relationship with his [00:03:47] children also broke apart in part due to [00:03:49] their protests over his insistence on [00:03:52] appointing Jeffrey Epstein's right-hand [00:03:54] man to be uh on the board of the Chsky [00:03:57] family's trust. So, all in all, uh what [00:04:01] come out of these um 4,000 um documents [00:04:04] that have been released is an incredibly [00:04:06] close relationship that few would have [00:04:09] imagined given Chsky's political leings. [00:04:12] I mean, Nam Chomsky has been very well [00:04:15] known for writing so many books on the [00:04:17] nuclear arms race and political [00:04:20] movements that have really identified [00:04:22] with leftist ideology and movements. And [00:04:26] so, why do you think Chsky was um doing [00:04:30] this? I mean, why was he spending so [00:04:31] much time running around uh with the [00:04:34] world's most notorious sex notorious [00:04:37] child sex trafficker? [00:04:40] >> Yeah, sure. I mean it is pretty [00:04:43] extraordinary. Epstein came into Chsky's [00:04:46] life and uh the two became great friends [00:04:49] over the 2010s that's for sure. Uh [00:04:51] ultimately Chsky [00:04:54] ended up becoming his semiofficial [00:04:56] crisis manager. And what I mean by that [00:04:58] is the walls were really closing in in [00:05:00] the 2018 and 2019 for Jeffrey Epstein. [00:05:03] Um the massive public outroar ended up [00:05:07] with him being arrested in 2019 and then [00:05:10] perhaps or perhaps not taking his own [00:05:12] life in prison. This whole time Chsky [00:05:15] was advising Epstein. Epstein was [00:05:17] panicked and um he was asking Gnome for [00:05:20] advice through the emails saying what do [00:05:22] I do? The press is on to me. Congress [00:05:25] everyone. And Chsky said that he was um [00:05:29] he uh said that it was absolutely [00:05:32] outrageous how Epstein is being treated. [00:05:34] He said he ultimately said it's probably [00:05:37] better to to just let the thing die [00:05:38] down. Don't cause too much attention to [00:05:41] this by um by um putting your name out. [00:05:44] Don't battle it. Just let the uh the [00:05:46] public interest in this die down and [00:05:48] hopefully uh the thing will blow over. [00:05:51] He compared, you know, he basically [00:05:54] presented Jeffrey Epstein as this um [00:05:56] almost saintly figure who'd been torn [00:05:58] apart by a vicious media. Uh the gossip [00:06:01] mongers Chsky called the media talking [00:06:03] about it. He compared Epstein's accusers [00:06:05] to Nazis and to religious uh zealots who [00:06:09] were just banging for blood and uh [00:06:11] thought thought of him as the worst [00:06:13] possible person. Um Chomsky had a very [00:06:17] close relationship with Epstein. As I [00:06:19] said, um he ultimately became very close [00:06:23] friends, especially he and his wife with [00:06:25] uh with Epstein. They had them over the [00:06:27] Epstein and and whoever of whoever he [00:06:30] was taking with him for dinner at their [00:06:32] house many times. Meanwhile, Epstein [00:06:34] also opened doors for Chsky, uh allowing [00:06:37] him to fly and live in a sort of little [00:06:40] world of luxury. Um he booked hotel [00:06:43] rooms for Chsky suites in Manhattan [00:06:45] hotels for example, let him stay at his [00:06:47] big um his gigantic apartment in uh in [00:06:51] the in uh New York City offered to take [00:06:54] him to his Caribbean island. So [00:06:57] ultimately, I guess Chsky, why was he [00:06:59] doing this? Because he ended up becoming [00:07:02] very close friends with Epstein. And [00:07:04] that's really what comes out in these [00:07:05] emails. He talks about an everlasting [00:07:08] friendship that's true and uh will [00:07:10] always endure throughout time. That's an [00:07:12] almost direct quote from what Chomsky uh [00:07:15] was saying to Epstein. And right up [00:07:17] until his dying day, Chsky was defending [00:07:19] Epstein viciferously from attacks in the [00:07:21] press. So this whole thing has uh been [00:07:24] very shocking to a lot of people who [00:07:27] probably saw Chsky as a sort of moral [00:07:30] mountain, somebody to look up to. And [00:07:32] yet this is going to be really it's [00:07:34] going to shake people's confidence in [00:07:36] his work, his judgment and uh his [00:07:39] dealings for the last 40 50 years. [00:07:42] >> I mean I probably like you Alan I don't [00:07:44] know about you but I definitely was [00:07:45] influenced by Nam Chsky growing up. I [00:07:47] mean I read many of his books. One of my [00:07:50] favorite books by Nam Chsky is Failed [00:07:52] States. Um but I did notice a shift in [00:07:55] his foreign policy a little bit when it [00:07:56] came to Syria and Afghanistan and um you [00:07:59] know basically advocate or not [00:08:01] advocating but he showed that he really [00:08:04] truly wasn't for anti-imperialism [00:08:09] when it came to Syria. Like those are [00:08:11] like little things that I started to [00:08:12] notice, but these are big things [00:08:14] considering he poised himself to be like [00:08:17] an anti-interventionist. And he would [00:08:19] say like the United States is the [00:08:21] biggest um exporter of terrorism in the [00:08:24] world. I remember him writing an op-ed [00:08:26] in the New York Times while I was [00:08:29] running Mint Press like in the early [00:08:30] days. Um, and I felt so inspired like he [00:08:33] was speaking so courageously about US [00:08:34] imperialism and he called the United [00:08:36] States the largest exporter of terrorism [00:08:39] around the world and um the labeling of [00:08:42] groups like Hezbollah or other [00:08:44] resistance groups as terrorists is [00:08:46] ironic considering the US um funding [00:08:50] regime change operations and and bombing [00:08:53] and you know just just forever wars, you [00:08:55] know, the forever wars. And so, um, I [00:08:59] think something that really stuck out [00:09:00] about these files are these accusations [00:09:04] of, you know, you know, satanic child [00:09:07] sacrifices and rituals and cannibalism [00:09:10] and um, the raping and even breeding of [00:09:15] young children, including boys and [00:09:19] girls. And I actually was following some [00:09:22] of the mainstream coverage and they're [00:09:24] acknowledging that Epstein traffked [00:09:26] young children, but they keep saying the [00:09:29] alleged, you know, the alleged [00:09:31] cannibalism or the absurd accusations of [00:09:34] cannibalism, the absurd accusations of [00:09:37] satanic rituals. So based on what you [00:09:39] found, like was Epstein involved in any [00:09:42] of these crimes? Um, and to what extent [00:09:45] do we know that these allegations about [00:09:49] like, you know, satanic blood rituals [00:09:53] and cannibalism and talking about [00:09:55] children [00:09:57] tasting like cream cheese, like how much [00:09:59] of that is real? Like, do we know? And [00:10:02] did Chomsky [00:10:04] um like was he involved in any of that [00:10:06] kind of abuse? [00:10:09] >> Well, the uh second question is pretty [00:10:12] easy to answer. uh throughout the files [00:10:14] there's no indication that Chomsky was [00:10:16] involved in any sort of child sexual [00:10:18] abuse or even knew about it. Um like you [00:10:21] said I mean like you Chsky was a great [00:10:23] um influence on my political thinking. I [00:10:26] must have read at least a dozen of his [00:10:28] books probably more. I did an entire PhD [00:10:32] developing Chsky's media theory. I've uh [00:10:34] published a book called um propaganda in [00:10:37] the in the information age still [00:10:39] manufacturing consent which updates um [00:10:42] the book manufacturing consent which was [00:10:44] written in the 80s which describes how [00:10:47] the med modern media really functions. [00:10:49] So certainly I am, you know, a a [00:10:53] longtime scholar of Chsky and as I said [00:10:56] there's nothing in the emails that says [00:10:58] that Chsky was participating in any sort [00:11:00] of child uh rape or any sort of sexual [00:11:03] activities at all. So let's make that [00:11:06] clear. However, [00:11:09] you know, Epstein was convicted in 2008 [00:11:12] for heinous crimes, uh, trafficking, um, [00:11:17] solicitation of prostitution from a [00:11:19] minor, etc., etc. And there had been [00:11:22] literally dozens of accusers in [00:11:24] including Virginia Duffrey, coming [00:11:26] forward telling their story about what [00:11:28] Epstein was doing. And so even by even [00:11:32] by you know 2017 2018 the whole world [00:11:36] knew what Jeffrey Epstein was. And yet [00:11:38] Chsky chose to get closer and closer to [00:11:40] him to the point where as I said in the [00:11:42] article that Epstein was among his [00:11:45] closest friends and most trusted [00:11:47] advisers. So even if Chsky wasn't [00:11:50] involved in this, and I don't think he [00:11:51] was, he was still actively deciding to [00:11:54] spend some of his some of his last years [00:11:57] on Earth passionately defending one of [00:11:59] the world's uh most notorious sexual [00:12:02] predators and uh most sorted monsters. [00:12:05] And that for me is astonishing to find [00:12:07] out. [00:12:09] The amount of stuff that has come out in [00:12:12] the last um few weeks from these Epstein [00:12:15] files is staggering. Millions of [00:12:17] documents have been released, all of [00:12:19] which have been gone through with a fine [00:12:20] tooth to uh with a fine tooth comb from [00:12:23] um uh Trump's DOJ and FBI to make sure, [00:12:27] you know, they've been they've been [00:12:28] cleansed of a lot of information. A lot [00:12:30] of uh people's names have been blanked [00:12:33] out. A lot of the people that Epstein [00:12:34] was uh emailing uh are not there. [00:12:37] There's no mention of Donald Trump in [00:12:39] them, which is very suspicious, frankly, [00:12:41] given their close uh relationship. And [00:12:44] what comes out of all the things that [00:12:46] that are being revealed right now is [00:12:48] that Epste is really the fulcrum, the [00:12:50] centerpiece of an entire global uh [00:12:54] billionaire political economic network [00:12:57] that really revolved around um personal [00:13:01] relationships and Epstein was really [00:13:03] yeah he was the centerpiece of that [00:13:05] connecting countries like Israel, Qatar, [00:13:08] the United Kingdom and the United States [00:13:10] together with some of the business uh [00:13:12] biggest um business empires in the world [00:13:16] and so many of the things that have been [00:13:18] rumored about what Epstein has been up [00:13:20] to. Well, you know, there there is, as [00:13:23] you said, there is some uh evidence to [00:13:25] suggest that Epstein was not only [00:13:27] trafficking and raping girls, but also [00:13:30] killing them, also participating in all [00:13:32] sorts of crazy, [00:13:35] almost unimaginable rituals. Uh I'm sure [00:13:38] in time more and more will come out uh [00:13:40] from that but right now we'll stick to [00:13:42] the facts and um the facts are bad [00:13:45] enough. It is extraordinary the sort of [00:13:48] information that's coming out and I [00:13:49] don't doubt that any future Epstein [00:13:51] files drop is going to again um pull [00:13:55] together so many strings of so many [00:13:57] different stories that have been [00:13:58] bubbling over the last 15 or 20 years to [00:14:01] show that he really was one of the most [00:14:04] important and influential figures in uh [00:14:06] in all of world politics. [00:14:09] >> Absolutely. And a lot of the things [00:14:10] about the satanic rituals and [00:14:12] cannibalism uh were part of testimonies [00:14:17] and obviously like a lot of these things [00:14:20] can't be verified. Um so we will never [00:14:23] really truly know. But I'll tell you [00:14:25] when I read a lot of these things I mean [00:14:27] I was ready to crash out. I mean, it was [00:14:28] so overwhelmingly disturbing [00:14:31] um that part of the reason we were I [00:14:33] wasn't even able to report on what was [00:14:36] coming out of these Epstein files for [00:14:38] the first like 3 4 days is because it [00:14:40] was too much to digest and process and [00:14:44] to be able to figure out like what was [00:14:45] real and what was not and how do we even [00:14:47] verify these things and um just the [00:14:50] thought that we live in some sort of [00:14:52] like illusion, you know, like we we [00:14:54] think that we have this stable world but [00:14:56] like we really are ruled by a group of [00:14:59] pedophiles and uh elite. So yeah, it's [00:15:03] been a lot. [00:15:04] >> Absolutely. And [00:15:05] >> and yeah, I just want to say that um the [00:15:07] more and more files that come out, the [00:15:10] um accusers, the survivors, and the [00:15:12] victims of Epstein, they become more and [00:15:15] more vindicated by the day. Their [00:15:16] stories become their stories become more [00:15:18] and more corroborated with more evidence [00:15:20] coming out. So I frankly don't put [00:15:23] anything past um Jeffrey Epstein about [00:15:25] what he was doing. um in these sorts of [00:15:28] things. And what really strikes me with [00:15:30] all of this is that, you know, it goes [00:15:32] to just underline the fact that there is [00:15:34] no ethical way to be a billionaire. It [00:15:36] literally having that much money and [00:15:38] power destroys your brain, destroys your [00:15:40] morality to the point where it's clear [00:15:43] from these files that Epstein and others [00:15:45] considered themselves completely above [00:15:47] the law and held no sort of value for [00:15:51] any sort of value for human life. And [00:15:53] that's what really comes out of these [00:15:54] things that this the billionaire class [00:15:56] that rules us uh has to be destroyed and [00:15:59] overthrown. [00:16:01] >> Absolutely. And um it's disturbing [00:16:04] stuff. Um but you also found out that [00:16:06] Nam Chsky flew on the Lolita Express. I [00:16:10] mean that was Epstein's infamous private [00:16:12] jet where he and his guests would abuse [00:16:14] women and girls. So what was Chsky doing [00:16:17] on this plane? [00:16:19] Well, you know, uh, one of his very last [00:16:22] interviews that he gave before he became [00:16:24] incapacitated in 2023, uh, from a [00:16:27] massive stroke was with the Wall Street [00:16:30] Journal. And already there were rumors, [00:16:32] uh, circulating about Chsky and they [00:16:34] asked him directly, had you ever flown [00:16:36] on this Lolita Express? And he cast [00:16:39] doubt on that, saying, uh, no, but if I [00:16:41] did, it was only a 30inut flight. And [00:16:44] you know what does that prove? And this [00:16:46] 30-inute flight did actually happen. [00:16:48] There are now there's now pictorial [00:16:50] evidence of that. And we know that Chsky [00:16:52] and Epstein flew together from Boston to [00:16:55] New York City to attend a suare at [00:16:58] Epstein's infamous Manhattan MA mansion [00:17:02] with none other than Woody Allen. Now [00:17:05] Epstein has previously called his [00:17:07] gettogethers with Woody Allen. In these [00:17:10] Epstein files that have just dropped in [00:17:11] his emails, he describes them as quote a [00:17:14] pedophile convention end quote. That's [00:17:16] Epstein's own words for what goes on [00:17:19] when he gets together with Woody Allen. [00:17:22] Um, so Chsky, we can say, flew on the [00:17:26] Lolita Express to attend what Epstein [00:17:29] called a pedophile convention, which is [00:17:31] extraordinary. And we know that Chomsky [00:17:33] did meet Allan because again the Wall [00:17:35] Street Journal asked him about this in [00:17:37] 2023 when it was just kind of a rumor [00:17:39] and he described it as a night with a a [00:17:42] talented and beautiful artist meaning [00:17:44] Woody Allen the guy who has got more [00:17:46] skeletons in his closet than you know [00:17:48] some you know 14th century church or [00:17:51] whatever. Chsky as I said in the emails [00:17:55] he also talks about his wish to uh visit [00:18:00] Little St. James Island. He's in his um [00:18:02] in his emails to Epstein, he multiple [00:18:05] times talks about, and I'm quoting [00:18:06] again, dreaming of that Caribbean island [00:18:09] end quote that uh he wants to go to. [00:18:11] Epstein offered to fly the Lolita [00:18:14] Express to Boston to to allow Chsky and [00:18:17] his wife to get on uh board and have a [00:18:19] holiday uh with each other. So it it's [00:18:22] almost as bad as it can possibly be [00:18:24] except that the only saving grace here [00:18:27] is that there's no mention of girls or [00:18:30] women or any sort of sexual exploits [00:18:32] here. [00:18:34] So, we just have about five minutes left [00:18:36] and um I know that Nam Chsky has [00:18:39] obviously been in cap he's been um kind [00:18:42] of he can't speak because of a stroke in [00:18:44] 2023 and so he can't really uh explain [00:18:48] himself I guess you could say but there [00:18:50] were already rumors about his Epstein [00:18:52] connections before he died. Can you talk [00:18:54] about that? Because we we actually [00:18:56] reported on that at Mint Press and so a [00:18:58] lot of this stuff is not even [00:18:59] necessarily new because Mint Press has [00:19:02] been covering this for years. Even [00:19:04] Chomsky's relationship with Epste and [00:19:06] we've we've we have been covering that [00:19:08] for years now. Um but the DOJ release [00:19:11] has obviously provided us with more [00:19:13] intricate details that we can now [00:19:15] confirm and vindicate more of our [00:19:17] reporting. But what were some of these [00:19:19] rumors about his relationship with [00:19:21] Epstein uh before he before Epstein uh [00:19:24] died? [snorts] [00:19:27] >> Well, there was a picture that came out [00:19:29] of Nam Chsky arm-in- arm with Epstein's [00:19:31] butler in Paris, which seemed very odd [00:19:34] indeed. And we now know from the emails [00:19:36] that Chsky and his wife did indeed stay [00:19:38] at Epstein's uh mansion in Paris. and [00:19:42] and that uh picture was indeed real and [00:19:44] that Epstein's butler took him around [00:19:46] Paris to have a uh a wonderful day out. [00:19:49] Um I'll give you one more example. Um uh [00:19:53] we reported at Mintress in 2020 um that [00:19:56] Chsky was asked about Epstein's [00:19:58] relationship with MIT which was his [00:19:59] former university. Now, at the time, a [00:20:02] lot of people didn't realize that [00:20:03] Chomsky had this close personal [00:20:05] relationship with Epstein, and they were [00:20:07] just asking because Epstein was [00:20:09] intimately involved in the world of [00:20:10] science, giving lots of money to these [00:20:12] universities. And the Dumptank podcast [00:20:15] asked um Chsky about Epstein's [00:20:18] relationship with MIT and whether it was [00:20:20] appropriate. and he bristled with [00:20:21] indignation and said um he said that [00:20:25] well first of all there are far worse [00:20:27] people walking around MIT giving them [00:20:30] money than than Epstein and when he was [00:20:32] asked by the Wall Street Journal what is [00:20:34] his relationship with Epstein again this [00:20:37] was one of the very last public [00:20:38] statements he ever made he just said [00:20:40] it's none of your business or frankly [00:20:42] anyone's um Epstein ultimately was [00:20:45] actually intimately involved in Nome's [00:20:47] businesses as I said at the start Nome [00:20:51] wanted to uh uh he wanted to appoint [00:20:55] Epstein's right-hand man uh Richard Khn, [00:20:58] his accountant, to the Chossky family [00:21:01] trust. Something which caused uproar [00:21:03] among his children and ended up with [00:21:05] their estrangement. Epstein in the [00:21:07] emails. The reason we only we know about [00:21:10] this is because he was forwarding all [00:21:12] these personal emails about his personal [00:21:15] financial matters with his children over [00:21:17] to Epstein. And Epstein was reading them [00:21:20] and um and suggesting steps all along [00:21:23] the way. And one of the last emails [00:21:25] Epstein ever sent to Gnome was talking [00:21:27] about how he he should cut them out of [00:21:29] their will. And then at one point he [00:21:31] says, "I'm so glad you've decided to [00:21:33] leave uh your estate to your wife rather [00:21:35] than your children." So yeah, it's a [00:21:38] bitter pill to swallow. And I would [00:21:40] compare this uh Nam Chosky's [00:21:42] relationship with Epstein to how another [00:21:45] person on the left, another person, a [00:21:47] viciferous uh critic of imperialism, [00:21:50] someone who stood up for Palestinian [00:21:51] rights, Norman Finkelstein, another [00:21:54] academic um in uh in the eastern side of [00:21:58] um of the US. Uh just compare how Chsky [00:22:03] uh related to Epstein with him. In 2015, [00:22:06] Finkelstein was invited by email to get [00:22:10] in touch with Epstein. And instead of um [00:22:13] gladanding with him, he sent Epstein a [00:22:16] message via email talking about how the [00:22:19] disgusting things with that he's done [00:22:21] with 15year-old girls mean that he [00:22:23] should be put to death for his heinous [00:22:24] crimes and then never spoke to him [00:22:26] again. That's really a principled stand [00:22:28] and that's the sort of um basic moral [00:22:32] decency that we would hope for from [00:22:35] intellectuals that we look up to. We got [00:22:37] it with Finkelstein but unfortunately we [00:22:39] didn't get it with Chsky and that is why [00:22:41] the world of sort of leftist academia [00:22:44] anti-imperialist circles have been so [00:22:46] shook by what's happened. [00:22:48] >> Yeah. And I mean Epstein just sounds [00:22:50] like a very charming person. The fact [00:22:51] that he was able to get into like every [00:22:54] corner and space within the western [00:22:58] establishment is so disturbing. And I [00:23:02] mean from academia to big tech to these [00:23:06] political spaces and meetings. It really [00:23:09] makes you question uh what exactly it is [00:23:11] that we know about the ruling class [00:23:14] because I mean from what I from this is [00:23:16] just my own assessment. It seems like a [00:23:18] very controlled release of files. I [00:23:20] mean, why now? These are questions we [00:23:23] have we still have yet to answer in [00:23:24] upcoming conversations, but why now? Why [00:23:27] would the DOJ release such damning [00:23:30] information about the current sitting [00:23:32] president, the state of Israel, um, and [00:23:36] this pedophilia ring? It's almost like [00:23:38] they're flaunting in front of us like [00:23:40] who they are. They're showing us exactly [00:23:42] who they are, and we're still not [00:23:45] outraged enough to take action against [00:23:48] these horrific crimes. But that's for [00:23:50] another conversation. We're going to be [00:23:52] joined by um Greg Stoker and we can talk [00:23:54] more about um the reaction of the [00:23:57] public. Alan Mloud, thank you so much. [00:24:00] >> Good to be with you. [00:24:12] [music]