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[00:01:30] And we're back. uh Jack Sobic, Blake [00:01:33] Nef, Tyler Ber, and uh we're we're just, [00:01:38] you know, this is sort of a reaction [00:01:39] stream um to the charges that have just [00:01:44] been made public, as well as a slew of [00:01:49] evidence, information, including text [00:01:52] messages from uh this suspect in the [00:01:58] assassination of Charlie Kirk, the man [00:02:00] who [00:02:02] sat in this chair to my right [00:02:05] and the big story. There's a lot to [00:02:09] unpack. There's a lot to go through. [00:02:11] There's a lot of emotions running high, [00:02:13] not only around the country, but here in [00:02:17] this very room, same room where [00:02:22] we did the election night show in 24 and [00:02:27] even 22 and same spot where Erica [00:02:30] delivered her memorial speech. I would [00:02:34] call it a memorial speech. It's right [00:02:36] here. And [00:02:41] You God is is clearly using this all of [00:02:45] this for a higher purpose. But the death [00:02:49] penalty coming down, [00:02:51] incredibly important, [00:02:54] necessary, needed, absolutely needed [00:02:58] because of the message that it sends. [00:03:00] Tyler, the thing I was going to ask you [00:03:02] because we were just on another stream [00:03:04] and then we we took a little break to do [00:03:06] um we to do a studio switch over was [00:03:08] that something I thought was so [00:03:11] interesting was that the prosecutor the [00:03:14] prosecutor is just so amazing. This this [00:03:16] is an old Utah style, you know, western [00:03:21] justice standing on what's right law and [00:03:24] order. I love this guy. no TV [00:03:27] showboating and every like look I mean [00:03:29] every network we've got the the TV wall [00:03:30] up here every network is covering him [00:03:33] and [00:03:35] you know he clearly had a great team [00:03:38] because they they just went through [00:03:40] chapter and verse every single charge [00:03:41] that was going on but one that keeps [00:03:44] sticking with me is one of the [00:03:46] aggravating factors one of the [00:03:48] aggravating circumstances [00:03:50] was the fact that children had to watch [00:03:52] it [00:03:54] >> and [00:03:55] So, so it wasn't nec necessarily that [00:03:59] they were threatened even though they [00:04:01] were, but that wasn't the char that [00:04:02] wasn't the aggravating factor. The [00:04:04] aggravating factor was actually the [00:04:06] traumatic effect it had on the children [00:04:09] who were present. And you know, I would [00:04:11] I would even say he didn't say it, but [00:04:13] by extension, we know that so many [00:04:14] children had to watch this video and the [00:04:16] trauma that was done to them. [00:04:17] >> Yeah. And I think it's very appropriate [00:04:21] that that in a case like that, the crime [00:04:23] that was done to those children and the [00:04:26] crime that was done to Charlie's [00:04:27] children. [00:04:28] >> Yep. [00:04:28] >> Who [00:04:30] look, it's just the nature of it. We [00:04:31] know one day they will probably see this [00:04:34] video. It's just it's just reality. Um I [00:04:38] hope that's not for very very very long [00:04:41] time. Uh, and I hope it's it's by their [00:04:43] choice and not if they so choose and not [00:04:46] um, you know, thrust upon them in any [00:04:48] way. But um, [00:04:51] so it's their choice obviously and their [00:04:52] right [00:04:54] that that that is a crime. That is a [00:04:56] crime in and of itself, the robbing of [00:04:58] innocence and the robbing of childhood. [00:05:01] And I think it's so right. I think it's [00:05:04] so right that that is an aggravating [00:05:06] factor. Well, and yeah, and and again [00:05:08] for the audience, just for everybody at [00:05:10] home, and again, we don't have to deal, [00:05:12] thank goodness, we don't have to deal [00:05:13] with murder on a day-to-day basis, but [00:05:15] the the difference in classification [00:05:17] between uh a normal uh murder versus [00:05:22] aggravated murder, just so that we is [00:05:24] the the severity of it, is the intensity [00:05:27] of it. Right? So, uh, in this case, uh, [00:05:31] the prosecutor seeking out aggravated [00:05:34] murder, you could hear them every time [00:05:36] going through as they're describing it, [00:05:39] the presence of children, the presence [00:05:40] of minors essentially, right? So, [00:05:42] >> over and over, [00:05:43] >> over and over, [00:05:44] >> which which of course is written into [00:05:45] the code uh, into the legal code of Utah [00:05:48] as a factor which makes the death which [00:05:51] puts the death penalty on the table. [00:05:53] >> Yeah. increases the severity, which also [00:05:55] makes it easier to seek the death [00:05:58] penalty, [00:05:58] >> right? And it's also going to be [00:05:59] something uh that the whatever the [00:06:02] defense team is, I don't I don't know if [00:06:04] that's completely shaken out yet. We [00:06:05] should probably check that out. Um [00:06:06] because I believe his arraignment is [00:06:07] coming up. [00:06:07] >> We're going to get to know the defense [00:06:08] team very very well. [00:06:09] >> Right. that that and well in the fact [00:06:12] that I I'll ask you another question in [00:06:14] a second, but the fact that these are [00:06:16] these are going to be things that they [00:06:17] are going to try to fight against in the [00:06:19] pre-trial period to try to knock chip [00:06:21] away at and if they can chip away at [00:06:24] them, then that could potentially close [00:06:26] the door to the death penalty from. So, [00:06:28] you're look, you're seeing strategy here [00:06:29] is what I'm trying to say. And America [00:06:31] has to stand up and and support the [00:06:34] prosecutors [00:06:36] so so viciferously right now because the [00:06:39] reality is that Charlie Kirk was [00:06:42] probably the best known [00:06:45] personality because of his presence on [00:06:48] Tik Tok with people under the age of 18. [00:06:51] >> Well, the the prosecutor said that [00:06:53] >> and and he said it and I think that's [00:06:55] the reason why he said it, right? [00:06:57] He's laying out already [00:07:00] like don't even try to knock this off [00:07:02] because it's not going to get knocked [00:07:03] off because literally millions we can [00:07:06] bring in millions of Americans who can [00:07:07] testify here that they they're aware of [00:07:10] Charlie Kirk that they know Charlie Kirk [00:07:12] that they have more interaction with [00:07:13] Charlie Kirk than maybe some of their [00:07:15] own family members because of their [00:07:16] access to Tik Tok and social media [00:07:18] >> and it was a crime against those people [00:07:21] in addition to being a crime against [00:07:22] Trump [00:07:23] >> and they can march in all day long the [00:07:26] hundreds and hundreds of young people [00:07:28] who were present at that at that event [00:07:30] that day. I mean, we knew them [00:07:32] >> and I'm sure they would be [00:07:34] >> I had friends [00:07:35] >> and and by the way, by the way, I'm [00:07:36] going to address this right now. [00:07:39] I'm sure there will be people who show [00:07:40] up to the courthouse. [00:07:44] Let the system work. [00:07:45] >> Let the people do their jobs. [00:07:48] >> I'm angry about it. I You know how close [00:07:52] we all are to this? I want the system to [00:07:55] work here. And so, [00:07:58] >> you know, if you're in a situation where [00:08:00] you come in contact with the suspect or [00:08:04] jurors, witnesses, [00:08:07] defense council, look, Charlie was all [00:08:11] about free speech and part of that is [00:08:13] due process. [00:08:14] >> Yeah. [00:08:15] >> Due process hand due process legal [00:08:17] system like [00:08:18] >> hand in hand. [00:08:19] >> Let let it let it let it work. [00:08:21] >> Yeah. [00:08:22] But going back to the conversation that [00:08:25] we're having here, which is that people [00:08:27] there were so many young people impacted [00:08:29] by this that were there, not just in [00:08:31] general that were seeing, you know, kind [00:08:33] of the the impact that's across America [00:08:35] that's that's uh one or two steps away [00:08:38] from Utah. We're talking about in the [00:08:40] Utah community. I had all day long, [00:08:43] Jack, people calling me, texting me. [00:08:45] They were bringing their entire family. [00:08:46] They were bringing their kids. Uh they [00:08:49] had they had cancelled events. they had [00:08:51] uh not gone to sock, you know, practices [00:08:54] and and soccer practices and whatever, [00:08:56] right? Like they they were they had [00:08:58] rearranged their entire lives to be [00:09:00] there that day with their family, with [00:09:02] their kids. I mean, heck, J Jason [00:09:03] Chaffitz, you know, Fox contributor, [00:09:06] former congressman, you know, people are [00:09:08] talking about he's he he was thinking [00:09:10] about running for office again in Utah. [00:09:12] He had his kids there. I mean, we had [00:09:15] and he was right there. So, I mean, you [00:09:17] have so many people that were there that [00:09:20] were impacted by this. You know, any [00:09:22] kind of trying to wiggle out of, you [00:09:24] know, the aggravated charge is is uh [00:09:28] offensive. It's it's it's blatantly [00:09:31] offensive. Uh that was the appropriate [00:09:33] thing to do and I'm glad that they did [00:09:35] it. [00:09:36] >> No, I I think it's absolutely [00:09:39] appropriate. It's necessary. [00:09:42] I've been I've been bringing my kids to [00:09:45] Turning Point events and Charlie Kirk [00:09:47] events since they were born, since they [00:09:51] were and everybody knows that you those [00:09:53] pictures of of me and Tanya showing up [00:09:55] at at Turning Point and pushing the [00:09:58] stroller around just walking the floor, [00:10:00] >> you know, and now [00:10:02] >> even my older son Jack Jack is joins me [00:10:05] on stage every once in a while and uh [00:10:07] you know, he's kind of he's kind of got [00:10:09] the bug himself. I like I actually like [00:10:11] this graphic that I'm seeing seven seven [00:10:14] different counts and it it is a oh [00:10:17] correct me if I'm actually [00:10:20] seeing now that uh and Blake if you can [00:10:22] pull this up there specific counts um [00:10:25] violent offense committed in the [00:10:27] presence of a child. So Tara, that is a [00:10:29] specific count. That is not just a [00:10:32] factor, an aggregating factor. That's a [00:10:35] So I just want to correct ourselves. [00:10:37] We're obviously, you know, going through [00:10:39] this as much uh in real time as we can [00:10:42] that it isn't just a factor, but it is [00:10:45] in fact a separate charge. [00:10:47] >> Yeah. [00:10:48] >> Credible. I mean, that's just just in [00:10:50] the protection of children, [00:10:51] >> right? The protection of childhood, the [00:10:54] protection of innocence. And okay, we're [00:10:57] seeing it now. Aggravated murder, felony [00:11:00] discharge of a firearm causing serious [00:11:03] bodily injury, obstruction of just two [00:11:05] counts of obstruction of justice, two [00:11:07] counts of witness tampering. This, I [00:11:09] believe, was involved with the deleting [00:11:10] of the texts. [00:11:11] >> That's right. [00:11:12] >> And and then also asking or discussing [00:11:15] removing the murder weapon from the [00:11:18] scene. Uh commission and then commission [00:11:20] of a violent offense in the presence of [00:11:24] a child. And [00:11:26] you know, I think I think it's it's very [00:11:29] clear here that um the roommate will be [00:11:31] testifying. I think that's just very [00:11:34] obvious that the roommate is is going to [00:11:36] testify and certainly going to uh has [00:11:39] provided these text messages over to um [00:11:42] to fully comply with the investigation [00:11:45] to escape any potential uh legal [00:11:48] challenges themselves. Um we we don't [00:11:50] know. I would say we don't have any [00:11:52] evidence of culpability on the side of [00:11:55] the roommate. Um that could change. [00:11:58] >> It's possible we'll end up seeing [00:11:59] messages that like implied this. Um [00:12:04] >> the [00:12:05] always be able to say I thought they [00:12:06] were kidding and they'll have a good [00:12:08] case. I mean people say a lot of things [00:12:10] in private messages. [00:12:11] >> Yeah. [00:12:12] >> Um but [00:12:14] >> yeah, I mean it's obviously a good thing [00:12:16] they're coming forward and cooperating. [00:12:18] >> Um we'll just have to see. I I I've been [00:12:21] impressed with the the Utah [00:12:22] investigators so far. They seem pretty [00:12:25] thorough about what they're doing and I [00:12:26] imagine they'll remain thorough about [00:12:28] what they're doing [00:12:29] >> and that's what it is. And so the the [00:12:31] suspect we're saying will appear in [00:12:33] court very soon. Uh so their arraignment [00:12:36] as look seeing the other side that [00:12:38] President Trump is actually set to [00:12:40] arrive in the UK right now as well. He's [00:12:43] about to step down uh from Air Force One [00:12:46] where they've landed. So, uh, it's it's [00:12:49] possible we could get statements from [00:12:52] the president. And if we do get [00:12:54] statements from the president, I'd love [00:12:55] to, um, I'd love to pull that up as [00:12:57] quickly as we could because I'm I'm [00:12:59] certain. I I I don't think I'm I'm I [00:13:03] don't think there's much question of [00:13:04] whether or not President Trump supports [00:13:06] the death penalty in this case. Um, I [00:13:07] think it's pretty clear, though, I do [00:13:09] think there's a question of uh the [00:13:12] federal level and and whether or not um, [00:13:15] you know, we'll see more of that. [00:13:16] Obviously, that would be from either the [00:13:18] US attorney or the US attorney general. [00:13:21] Tyler, one thing that I did want to get [00:13:22] you in on because I know this is [00:13:24] something you are um very well aware of [00:13:28] is the fact that [00:13:32] nonprofit groups, you know, we were [00:13:35] talking about the defense and [00:13:37] >> just was talking about this with Glenn. [00:13:38] I want to dig in on this because we know [00:13:41] that there are federal and well, you [00:13:44] know, nationwide uh anti-death penalty [00:13:46] groups. There is the ACLU. There are [00:13:50] others out there who come in and defend [00:13:52] cases like this um in the past. And [00:13:57] there are groups like the Innocence [00:13:58] Project who have lied about obviously [00:14:00] guilty people and uh pushed and [00:14:03] perverted the justice system so far that [00:14:05] they have been let out. And we've talked [00:14:07] about that on dark crime um at length. [00:14:10] I'd be more than happy to do it right [00:14:12] now off the top of my head yet again um [00:14:14] because it's just it's just happening so [00:14:16] often from them. But um talk to me, you [00:14:19] know, are we seeing that? Do you think [00:14:20] we'll see that? What are the impacts [00:14:22] there? [00:14:23] >> Yeah, I mean I don't want to speculate [00:14:25] on all my my deepest fears um with how [00:14:29] this is going to be politicized [00:14:31] >> and and for for all of us here. just [00:14:33] will [00:14:34] >> for us that we're like so close to [00:14:35] Charlie, it's going to be it's going to [00:14:37] be really hard, I think, not to over [00:14:41] overreact to every single one of those [00:14:43] over, you know, those polit [00:14:45] politizations of of the case. Um, and [00:14:49] it's actually kind of painful to me [00:14:50] because I'm just like kind of just [00:14:51] realizing and thinking about now. It [00:14:53] hasn't even been a thought in my brain [00:14:54] this week that this is going to be an [00:14:56] ongoing [00:14:58] >> long-term. It could be truly bad if you [00:15:00] I guess if you want to turn back the [00:15:02] clock. Uh, I'm sure you know about [00:15:04] these, Jack. They used they they had a [00:15:06] lot of political assassinations in in [00:15:09] Europe in the 1800s, early 1900s in [00:15:12] Russia. [00:15:12] >> Turn of the century. It was [00:15:13] >> You would have you'd have cases where [00:15:15] someone would commit an assassination [00:15:18] and they would use the trial as an [00:15:19] opportunity to just espouse their [00:15:22] >> It's possible we'll have a case where [00:15:25] this guy just decides to get on the st. [00:15:27] He'll he says I mean they've already [00:15:28] said they're going to seek the death [00:15:30] penalty. get on the stand and say, [00:15:32] "Yeah, guess what? I think Charlie Kirk [00:15:34] was evil for reason one, two, three." [00:15:37] >> Bam. Put it all on national television [00:15:39] and do it. And then it allows them to [00:15:42] kind of become a martyr for for their [00:15:43] side [00:15:44] >> and and a copycat. [00:15:46] >> Well, and inspire copycats. [00:15:48] >> Inspiration, right? So, like [00:15:50] >> it's hard to, by the way, it's hard to [00:15:51] say this isn't a copycat of some of the [00:15:54] other uh, you know, transreated shooters [00:15:57] or Luigi Majioni, [00:16:00] um, Butler. There there was a reference, [00:16:02] I think, to Magion in one of the not [00:16:04] these texts, but in a a one of the other [00:16:07] discords that came out. Um, there was a [00:16:10] reference to don't go to McDonald's. And [00:16:13] uh of course famously um that is where [00:16:16] Manion was arrested in a McDonald in [00:16:18] Pennsylvania while fleeing from New York [00:16:20] City. So so the idea that Manion and the [00:16:23] Manion case is so um they you know [00:16:26] they're so familiar with it because [00:16:28] they're in this this fandom of Manion [00:16:32] that they he didn't even have to explain [00:16:34] what he meant because they obviously [00:16:36] >> would just right away know that that [00:16:39] that's what they the reference was. It [00:16:40] was a It was a shared re. But like if I [00:16:42] said that to you, you'd be like, "What [00:16:43] do you mean don't go McDonald's? Why are [00:16:44] you saying you don't go McDonald's?" [00:16:46] >> Yeah. But these that's how that's how [00:16:47] that's how involved these these sickos [00:16:49] are right with Yes. [00:16:51] >> this this is how uh premeditated [00:16:54] >> this whole thing is even with amongst [00:16:56] the group of people is like they clearly [00:16:58] think about this and talk about this on [00:17:00] a regular basis. Uh that's how dangerous [00:17:04] these Discord channels are is for people [00:17:05] that are listening that have children [00:17:07] that are teenagers uh young men uh that [00:17:11] are in their homes that are teenagers [00:17:13] that are in their early 20s. Uh you [00:17:16] know, especially if you have signs of [00:17:19] these these [00:17:21] mental illness of of things not going [00:17:23] right in their life. There are kids [00:17:25] there are groups groups of kids and [00:17:27] again I said this I keep saying this [00:17:29] over and over. If this is happening in [00:17:31] Utah, this is happening in other places. [00:17:34] >> Yeah. [00:17:34] >> And we don't know what the extent of [00:17:35] this is. And again, there's a lot of [00:17:37] speculation about NOS's and nonprofit [00:17:40] groups that are funding things that uh [00:17:43] international actors and things like [00:17:45] that. We're going to we're going to find [00:17:46] out a lot and I have full faith and [00:17:48] confidence that we are going to find out [00:17:50] about those things. But the reality is [00:17:52] this stems and starts from somewhere and [00:17:54] it starts with people having mental [00:17:56] illness. they're having problems and [00:17:58] parents are not as active as they should [00:18:00] be in the home to be aware of what's [00:18:02] going on in their child's lives. You [00:18:04] can't do that forever, right? Like you [00:18:05] can't do that for forever and ever. But [00:18:09] even even young men who are graduating [00:18:12] high school and they're trying to figure [00:18:13] themselves out and doing all those [00:18:14] things when you see something, people [00:18:16] have got to say something. And there's a [00:18:19] feeling that I have here, which is that, [00:18:21] you know, the dad who turned his son in [00:18:24] clearly knew that his son had problems. [00:18:27] Clearly knew that he probably shouldn't [00:18:30] probably should be keeping a closer eye [00:18:32] uh what his son was doing. Again, I [00:18:35] don't blame I don't fault people for not [00:18:37] being able to to do that 24/7, but [00:18:40] that's just the feeling I'm getting. [00:18:41] That's just like it it just it there's [00:18:44] there's got to be, you know, a reckoning [00:18:47] when it comes to parenting. It's got to [00:18:48] be a reckoning when it comes to [00:18:50] involvement and strengthening the core [00:18:52] of the home, which is again why I'm sure [00:18:55] Charlie was targeted was because that [00:18:57] was the c the centrifuge for his [00:19:00] message. Uh that was the the middle of [00:19:02] middle heartbeat of everything that he [00:19:06] talked about was God, family, and then, [00:19:09] you know, saving the country. Uh, and so [00:19:12] that's just where we have to go at this [00:19:14] point. Um, I I am deeply concerned as I [00:19:19] kind of reel out of this thing. And [00:19:20] again, I don't want to be freaking out [00:19:23] about this constantly, but I hope that [00:19:26] swift justice is brought that the people [00:19:29] of this great country and particularly [00:19:31] of Utah will stand up and be very loud [00:19:35] about making sure that that happens and [00:19:38] and drowning out any kind of uh [00:19:43] any kind of step that this guy takes to [00:19:44] try to platform crazy ideas because [00:19:48] nothing could be worse for America. [00:19:50] than giving a platform to a person in a [00:19:54] in a judicial setting that allows them [00:19:56] just to go on and on and drone on and on [00:19:58] and actually create a a much more [00:20:00] intensified Luigi situation, [00:20:03] >> right? And and you'd hope that in that [00:20:05] case, you know, obviously we're [00:20:09] I mean, we're talking about something [00:20:10] that could be that could be years away, [00:20:12] honestly. Um [00:20:14] >> I hope not. [00:20:14] >> I hope not, too. But just reality, like [00:20:17] realistically speaking, that's [00:20:20] entirely a a possibility here. That's [00:20:22] just like, you know what I mean, that [00:20:23] these these cases can drag out. Uh there [00:20:25] are going to be numerous pre-trial [00:20:27] petitions. Uh it it's sort of [00:20:29] >> you said, there's going to be lots of [00:20:30] organizations stepping in trying to [00:20:32] organize that to slow things down. [00:20:36] They're going to try to uh do everything [00:20:38] that they're going to do everything they [00:20:40] can to [00:20:43] make you forget what you saw [00:20:48] with your own two eyes. [00:20:49] >> Mhm. [00:20:51] >> On that day [00:20:53] in broad daylight at Utah Valley [00:20:56] University [00:20:58] on video. [00:21:01] Blake didn't see it on video. Blake was [00:21:06] right there watching it with his own [00:21:08] eyes. [00:21:09] But they will do everything they can. [00:21:11] They will and that's why you're already [00:21:12] seeing it. We s we talked about the [00:21:13] groer op and they said, "Oh, it's a [00:21:16] gro." You uh Tyler, you're the first one [00:21:17] who mentioned that to me that said, "Why [00:21:19] are they saying it's a groper?" And and [00:21:21] you know, you know, they keep repeating [00:21:23] these words over and over. White [00:21:25] Christian, white Christian, mega family, [00:21:27] white Christian, mega family, [00:21:28] >> and just and just outright and lie about [00:21:30] what we saw and lie about what we saw [00:21:31] for the f and heard for the following [00:21:33] days really up through now. [00:21:34] >> The cheers [00:21:35] >> that Yeah, the cheers, the laugh. I have [00:21:37] seen someone I have seen a person who is [00:21:41] denying that the left is celebrating [00:21:43] this who sent me a direct message [00:21:46] gloating about what happened. [00:21:50] That is what is going on right now. [00:21:54] I have seen people with my own eyes. I [00:21:57] have heard it with my own ears people [00:21:59] celebrating this. We had to endure. [00:22:00] Remember TMZ came out the other day and [00:22:03] you know they had people caught on their [00:22:04] stream cheering when he died and they [00:22:06] came out and they said they were [00:22:07] watching something else. It's [00:22:09] >> I didn't get to watch that video. Were [00:22:11] they that was in the office or was it [00:22:12] like [00:22:13] >> they were in there? So they were live [00:22:14] streaming the news event and then when [00:22:16] they were announcing it the people on [00:22:17] screen were being you know neutral [00:22:19] sounding but you could hear cheers [00:22:21] whoops going on in the background [00:22:23] >> as they were breaking the news that he [00:22:24] had died. [00:22:24] >> It's a big it's a big hall. So if you go [00:22:26] into TMZ it's like one big office. It's [00:22:28] a big open air office and their desks [00:22:30] are in rows and they film right in front [00:22:33] of it. [00:22:33] >> And their excuse was, "Well, we had this [00:22:35] other team. They were watching a car uh [00:22:37] a car chase, different news story. [00:22:39] Unfortunate coincidence." And someone [00:22:41] went on TikTok and they just they [00:22:43] reverse engineered the exact time this [00:22:44] happened at and they found the car chase [00:22:46] they would have been watching from a [00:22:48] helicopter. And at the exact moment that [00:22:50] this would have been happening, they [00:22:52] actually cut in to that car chase and [00:22:54] they were announcing that Charlie had [00:22:56] died. [00:22:56] >> Yeah. So I wonder what they were [00:22:58] reacting to. So that was the excuse TMZ [00:23:00] gave. So what's their excuse now? [00:23:01] Because they said it was unacceptable. [00:23:03] So is TMZ going to fire those people? I [00:23:05] think we should have people follow up on [00:23:06] that. [00:23:06] >> Yeah, 100%. [00:23:07] >> Cuz they said it was unacceptable. So [00:23:09] were they lying to us? Harvey Charlie [00:23:11] and I had been to TMZ together. I won't [00:23:14] we won't re rehash why we were there, [00:23:16] but Charlie and I have been at that [00:23:17] office. Harvey, [00:23:18] >> wait a minute. I remember [00:23:20] >> Harvey was very it was it was the it was [00:23:22] the one of the not to change the [00:23:25] direction of this conversation but it [00:23:26] was a very uh memorable day. I remember [00:23:29] Charlie and I standing over in one of [00:23:31] the offices. Harvey was very nice uh [00:23:34] came and talked. He was very familiar [00:23:35] with Charlie's work. This was early on [00:23:37] too. This was like many many years ago. [00:23:39] So was familiar with Charlie and [00:23:41] everything else. But this is to your [00:23:43] point, Blake, like TMZ needs to to have [00:23:46] some there has to has to be some [00:23:49] accountability for this. Uh this is the [00:23:51] type of stuff that if it seeps into [00:23:53] America and people see it and they think [00:23:55] it's okay, especially amongst you know [00:23:58] these kind of pinnacle media [00:24:01] organizations and I know that TMZ is not [00:24:03] looked at as like one of the most [00:24:04] laotted [00:24:06] uh media organizations on the planet [00:24:08] earth but they have influence and a lot [00:24:09] of people watch them and they think that [00:24:11] it's okay just to do that stuff. That is [00:24:14] what starts to pull apart the fra fabric [00:24:16] of America. That's is what that is what [00:24:18] gives you the Luigi's of this world [00:24:21] >> and and it is sickening and I think I I [00:24:25] saw a lot of people send me that message [00:24:27] Blake and as I'm sure you did and it [00:24:31] makes you angry but to me like like just [00:24:35] when I look back on it it just makes me [00:24:37] just pure sad because the saddening part [00:24:40] of where we are at the commentary of [00:24:43] where we are at that people that have [00:24:45] stood in those faces. Some of those [00:24:47] people met Charlie, saw Charlie in their [00:24:50] office. It's not like this is a detached [00:24:52] thing or a [00:24:55] Did you Wait, Blake, I'm just looking at [00:24:58] this thing you sent me from from ABC. [00:25:00] >> We should play it. It's not that long. [00:25:02] >> Can we Can we get this? [00:25:03] >> Let's get this cut ASAP and uh and run [00:25:05] it. We'll get it in a sec. [00:25:07] >> Do we want to Do we want to do some of [00:25:08] the Mikey? [00:25:10] >> We We should play Mikey, too. Uh I think [00:25:13] >> Mikey Mikey did a great job. Let's get [00:25:16] those clips. So, um, [00:25:18] >> which do we want to do first, do you [00:25:19] think? [00:25:20] >> Uh, well, if we have, um, I think we [00:25:22] have, uh, [00:25:25] >> let's do we have Mikey ready to go. [00:25:26] >> Yeah, we have Mike. [00:25:28] >> We'll pivot back to this Fox. Let's play [00:25:31] >> Let's play 85. Let's do 85. [00:25:34] >> Driving him to the airport. He was [00:25:36] speaking at your dad's church and you [00:25:38] said, "I I'm thinking about going to [00:25:39] college." And he said, "Don't go to [00:25:41] college." [00:25:43] Why was that? [00:25:45] Charlie had a knack of telling you what [00:25:47] to do, not asking you. And so the first [00:25:48] time I met Charlie, I drove him in the [00:25:50] his then girlfriend Erica to the [00:25:52] airport. And uh he grilled me on [00:25:54] Aristotle, American History, Plato. And [00:25:57] when I dropped him off at his terminal, [00:25:59] he he gets out of the car. He goes, "I [00:26:00] don't want you to go to college. I want [00:26:02] you to come work for me at Turning Point [00:26:03] USA." [00:26:04] >> So I took a day to think about it and I [00:26:06] did it. And the story is the same with [00:26:08] his wife, Erica. When he met her for the [00:26:09] first time, he was interviewing her and [00:26:11] he told her, he said, "I don't want to [00:26:12] hire you. I want to date you." And so [00:26:14] it's the best six years of my life that [00:26:17] I spent under the tutelage of Charlie [00:26:20] and learning from him. [00:26:23] >> So for people who don't know uh that [00:26:25] that's Mikey. He was uh Charlie's chief [00:26:27] of chief of staff. I suspect he spent [00:26:29] more time with Charlie than anyone who [00:26:31] wasn't Erica or his children over the [00:26:34] past [00:26:35] >> years. Uh [00:26:36] >> and he was he was also there that day, [00:26:38] right? [00:26:38] >> He was there. He was the I was actually [00:26:39] I was standing right next to him when it [00:26:41] happened. And uh yeah, Mike, I don't [00:26:44] want to say more about that moment, but [00:26:46] no, I'm just just establishing [00:26:47] >> we brought Mikey in and he was uh he was [00:26:52] uh I mean so so young as a Charlie's [00:26:56] assistant and handler and has been [00:27:00] around like again one-on-one with [00:27:02] Charlie. [00:27:03] >> We have we have two more. [00:27:04] >> The videos you see of Charlie, Mikey has [00:27:06] taken over the last five years [00:27:08] >> next to it or we we have two more clips. [00:27:10] They're short. Let's I think just play [00:27:11] them both. 87 88 just playing them back [00:27:13] to back guys. [00:27:17] >> He's had a knack for choosing people as [00:27:19] Erica Kirk said in her message the other [00:27:21] night to the nation and he did and the [00:27:25] organization has leaders that Charlie [00:27:27] handpicked to lead us and guide us and [00:27:31] he always had plans in case something [00:27:33] happened and this will continue to play [00:27:35] out and the public will see it soon. But [00:27:38] we are committed to 10xing, to growing [00:27:41] the organization, to growing his legacy [00:27:43] that he built. And as Erica said, to [00:27:47] make sure that nobody forgets the name [00:27:49] Charlie Kirk. It's um it's expected to [00:27:52] be a packed house. Uh we're holding it [00:27:55] at State Farm Stadium here in in Arizona [00:27:59] and everybody's flying out for this. [00:28:02] Seven days to plan an event like this [00:28:04] seemed impossible, but everybody's [00:28:06] working to make sure that we honor [00:28:08] Charlie. Uh, and you're going to see [00:28:10] that from stage. Speakers from the [00:28:11] administration coming out, friends, [00:28:14] family, loved ones coming out to speak [00:28:16] and talk about him, the legacy that he [00:28:18] lived, and that's going to continue. [00:28:22] >> Um, that I mean that was just [00:28:24] incredible. Tyler, do you do you want to [00:28:25] give us all any updates on Sunday on on [00:28:30] how that's coming together? I know [00:28:31] you're here. By the way, Tyler's [00:28:32] literally like when you see him on his [00:28:34] phone, that's cuz he's literally [00:28:36] planning the Sunday memorial. [00:28:38] >> Our team is [00:28:39] >> and and in the team and all the rest, [00:28:41] but I mean it's it's an ongoing [00:28:43] >> the entire team has been so fantastic. I [00:28:46] mean, every single person that's on the [00:28:47] team, top to bottom, like [00:28:49] >> again just I want to put this into [00:28:51] perspective for everyone [00:28:53] that we are planning an event that [00:28:55] millions of people are going to see this [00:28:57] Sunday, the Turning Point team. So, the [00:28:59] Turning Point USA [00:29:01] uh Turning Point action team, lots of [00:29:04] work is going to be done on Sunday [00:29:05] that's positive and good, but everyone's [00:29:08] reeling. Everybody is has the worst [00:29:10] feelings that you could possibly have on [00:29:12] planet Earth right now. I mean, this is [00:29:14] this is our close friend. This is our [00:29:15] our brother. This is our our boss, our [00:29:18] you know, for many mentors and and close [00:29:21] relationships that spent so much time [00:29:22] together. for us, you know, we had such [00:29:24] a a close relationship here around this [00:29:26] table and uh and we're all participating [00:29:30] with what will probably come out to be [00:29:33] one of the largest Trump, you know, in [00:29:36] person events. [00:29:36] >> Yeah. On top of that, the president of [00:29:38] the United States, [00:29:38] >> the president of the United States, the [00:29:40] vice president, the entire cabinet. I [00:29:42] mean, the amount of honors that uh that [00:29:45] Charlie so deserves uh deserves an [00:29:48] incredible, you know, sendoff, if you [00:29:50] want to call it, from this this Earth [00:29:51] life to where we know he's in a better [00:29:53] place now. [00:29:54] >> Yeah. Uh but like Mikey said, all of [00:29:58] this work that we've been doing for the [00:30:00] past, you know, decade plus like going [00:30:02] on now 14 years going 13 coming out of [00:30:06] 14 years is not going to slow down. It [00:30:10] is going to get bigger. It's going to [00:30:11] get better. We have great incredible [00:30:13] incredible people top to bottom within [00:30:15] the organizations. Um and there's many [00:30:18] organizations Turning Point USA, Turning [00:30:19] Point Action. We have our pack. We have [00:30:21] uh multiple other organizations that [00:30:24] operate out of here that are all [00:30:26] committed to doing the work. Uh but [00:30:28] that's what helps facilitate and make [00:30:30] it's going to make Sunday an incredibly [00:30:32] moving thing. And I hope that America is [00:30:35] going to be able to peer into the window [00:30:36] of of I guess what everybody here has [00:30:39] been able to participate with between [00:30:41] you know Charlie show the Turning Point [00:30:43] universe. Uh and I hope they feel [00:30:45] uplifted and motivated so that they can [00:30:47] go live a life like Charlie. And it's [00:30:49] and it's so important by the way that [00:30:54] for the anger that's out there and I I [00:30:57] felt that [00:30:59] I mean I have my own personal anger but [00:31:01] I felt the public weight of it last [00:31:04] night at ASU [00:31:07] with the fury [00:31:10] and [00:31:12] I I have it myself. [00:31:17] It doesn't [00:31:18] mean anything if you don't turn it into [00:31:20] action. If you don't get involved, if [00:31:25] you don't step up and say, "All right, [00:31:29] now it's time to come off the sidelines. [00:31:31] Now it's time to get involved in my [00:31:33] local chapter. Get involved with the [00:31:35] elections. Get involved with whatever it [00:31:37] is." [00:31:40] If you were waiting for a wakeup call, [00:31:42] you just got it. All right, that was it. [00:31:45] It's done. [00:31:48] Charlie gave his life for that [00:31:51] and [00:31:54] that's what he would have wanted for you [00:31:55] to do. [00:31:59] It's what he would have wanted and it's [00:32:01] what you need. And so we're going to [00:32:03] have that. We're certainly going to have [00:32:05] that included at this event and use this [00:32:08] as a way to offer uh people to find [00:32:14] their way in, people to find their way [00:32:16] to get active, start chapters, to join [00:32:19] chapters. And [00:32:22] I mean, Tyler, I I I know you've you've [00:32:24] shared some information with me, but I [00:32:27] mean, this this this [00:32:29] is going to be the long the largest [00:32:30] event Turning Point has ever done. [00:32:32] >> Yeah. I want to be careful because it's [00:32:33] again [00:32:35] it's everything is so fragile and [00:32:38] everyone's moving as fast as they [00:32:39] humanly can right now. But uh again just [00:32:43] shout out the entire team. Justin and [00:32:45] Mikey are taking on a a whole lot on the [00:32:48] on the Turning Point USA and Charlie's [00:32:51] personal side. [00:32:52] >> Uh like they're carrying the weight of [00:32:54] of the world and we're all just here, [00:32:56] you know, trying to support them. Um, [00:32:58] you know, every single person on our [00:32:59] team, Marine has done such a tremendous [00:33:01] job uh at managing all the incoming. [00:33:04] Andrew's basically taken on, that's why [00:33:06] he's not here with us right now. He's [00:33:07] taking on basically like four full-time [00:33:08] jobs right now. Uh, including stepping [00:33:10] into the pocket with so much that was [00:33:12] there for for Charlie. Uh, we're just [00:33:16] wanting to accomplish, I think, uh, the [00:33:20] best possible [00:33:21] uh, memorial for our friend. Uh, and [00:33:24] again doing the way that I I felt like [00:33:27] little things. I know I'm sure we're [00:33:28] going to feel this a lot and probably [00:33:30] even the three of us and beyond that are [00:33:32] going to feel this a lot where we can [00:33:33] kind of feel Charlie's presence in so [00:33:35] many things that are going to be done. [00:33:37] Uh, but I think everybody's just working [00:33:39] as hard as they possibly can so that we [00:33:41] just, you know, are doing it what what [00:33:43] Charlie would want to on Sunday. And uh [00:33:47] the thing that we keep joking about is [00:33:48] is like everything that we ever did and [00:33:50] I have check I I had Lauren save all our [00:33:53] texts because we started the events that [00:33:54] at Turning Point uh many years ago and [00:33:57] we brought Lauren in who's been our VP [00:33:59] of events forever and I was just [00:34:01] scrolling back and looking at the the [00:34:03] messages that Charlie would send you [00:34:05] know back in, you know, 2018, 2019, [00:34:08] 2021, 2023 as we were just like growing [00:34:11] and we could see the intensity but it [00:34:13] was always more more we got to do more. [00:34:15] We got to get bigger. We got to get more [00:34:17] chairs. We got to get bigger rooms and [00:34:18] bigger halls and more LED and more, you [00:34:21] know, indoor fireworks and sparks and [00:34:24] >> cold sparks. Yeah. [00:34:24] >> Uh cold sparks and uh you know, it was [00:34:27] more signage and [00:34:29] >> the RFK cold sparks. [00:34:30] >> Bigger speakers and uh everything that [00:34:33] we possibly could do to make this big. [00:34:34] And so the culminating factor and the [00:34:37] sad part is is Lauren sent me over a [00:34:39] message. I don't want to cry right now. [00:34:40] Lauren sent me over a message yesterday [00:34:42] that was uh 2021. It was dated in 2021 [00:34:45] and this was right after COVID. So, you [00:34:46] have to remember we just went through [00:34:48] hell and back. We didn't fire a single [00:34:50] employee. We kept the doors open. We [00:34:52] didn't take a single dime of government [00:34:53] money and we still held events. But [00:34:56] Charlie sent over a message and we could [00:34:58] throw it up if we wanted to with the [00:35:00] stadium uh aerial shot of a stadium and [00:35:03] he said, "This is the vision. This is [00:35:04] what I want. This is what I want to see. [00:35:06] This is what I this is where we're going [00:35:08] is is a pack stadium." And we always we [00:35:12] always joked we're like Charlie's like [00:35:14] this is crazy like he's always asking [00:35:16] demanding more and like in 2021 right [00:35:18] after co no one ever could have imagined [00:35:21] like how are we going to get back there? [00:35:23] How are we going to do it? And and this [00:35:24] is it. This is it on Sunday is is [00:35:26] honoring Charlie stadium and I we're [00:35:29] going to probably have tens of thousands [00:35:31] of people outside that can't get in. uh [00:35:35] and and they're going to be outside [00:35:37] singing right along, participating and [00:35:39] doing everything else. And so I hope [00:35:41] that this turns out to be the biggest [00:35:44] possible memorial that motivates [00:35:47] millions of Americans that we've ever [00:35:48] seen in the history of the of the [00:35:50] country. [00:35:51] >> We're we're in the turning point. We're [00:35:54] we're in it. It's [00:35:57] you have the fourth turning, [00:36:00] you know, and the turning point of the [00:36:03] fourth turning and and we're just in it. [00:36:06] We're just we're just in it. We're in a [00:36:08] time of [00:36:10] obviously a time of instability. There's [00:36:12] no no question. Just look no further [00:36:14] than this room. But [00:36:18] at the same time, it's [00:36:21] the fact that you have [00:36:24] and and Charlie built this organization [00:36:26] and [00:36:28] maybe maybe he didn't even know when he [00:36:31] named it that and started building it [00:36:33] when [00:36:35] you guys first put up your [00:36:38] folding table on campus [00:36:42] that [00:36:44] in in it in [00:36:47] in a strange way, [00:36:51] you and Charlie and and and then [00:36:53] everyone else who's come along and and [00:36:54] and joined in the fight built the [00:36:57] organization [00:36:59] and and I'm not selling right now. I I [00:37:03] swear I'm not pitching. This really is [00:37:05] the infrastructure and the network that [00:37:08] America needs in this actual moment. [00:37:11] >> And that's what's so remarkable to me. [00:37:13] It's like it's like in any other [00:37:15] situation, you know, here here we were [00:37:16] talking about like what organization [00:37:18] would come in, you know, who's going to [00:37:19] come in, [00:37:20] >> who can who can help do the work now. [00:37:22] Yeah. Now that person's gone. [00:37:24] >> Yeah. [00:37:25] >> That's what Charlie spent his life [00:37:27] building. [00:37:27] >> That's why I tell people I mean [00:37:28] >> whether he knew it or not. [00:37:29] >> And again, um [00:37:30] >> maybe he did. [00:37:31] >> And Rush saw this in Charlie, right? Um [00:37:34] it's kind of [00:37:36] >> Charlie was an activist first. He's he's [00:37:38] an activist leader. He he wasn't, you [00:37:40] know, a lot of people know Charlie as a [00:37:42] voice, as a you know, on radio and TV [00:37:46] and media personality and all those [00:37:48] things. Those are things he did to [00:37:50] support the activist work. [00:37:51] >> Yeah. [00:37:52] >> You know, it's and this is a really [00:37:53] critical thing is to understand is that [00:37:56] Charlie's legacy was that he built all [00:37:59] these things first before he did those [00:38:01] things. He did those things to support [00:38:03] the actual work. And you know, they're [00:38:06] they're great people that have have [00:38:07] lived, that have come and gone, that [00:38:09] have done have have had a big voice and [00:38:11] have, you know, made a lot of money and [00:38:14] they've been really influential and all [00:38:16] those things, but very rarely do they do [00:38:19] something that's beyond them. Um, where [00:38:21] they've like actually invested into [00:38:25] hundreds, thousands, you know, tens of [00:38:28] thousands, millions of people around [00:38:29] them. Charlie did that. So the big [00:38:32] question is is like you know when people [00:38:34] felt lost or was like what am I going to [00:38:35] listen to because Russia's gone now [00:38:39] with Charlie being on it's like there is [00:38:41] a there there is a pathway get involved [00:38:44] with on the turning point side on the [00:38:46] turning point USA side if you're you [00:38:48] know 18 to 24 or even younger than that [00:38:51] I guess 16 to 24 in high school you have [00:38:54] to be involved with with the high school [00:38:56] program with the collegiate programs [00:38:58] that we have but we have so much more [00:38:59] than that we have TPS USA faith Let's [00:39:01] get it. Go back to church. Be involved. [00:39:04] Be part of that. Turning point Action. [00:39:06] That's what we do in and particularly [00:39:08] the key key target states. We need [00:39:10] everybody. If you're not in a key target [00:39:11] state, we need your help in those key [00:39:13] target states to get involved. There is [00:39:15] plenty to do and all the organizational [00:39:17] structures are there. So, uh, we need [00:39:20] you to go. We need you to be part of it. [00:39:22] So, I actually just got sent we have a [00:39:24] the site, just to back up what you're [00:39:26] saying, it's fight for Charlie.com [00:39:28] >> for this Sunday. for this Sunday. But [00:39:30] then there's also even if you can't, so [00:39:32] if you want to register, uh, if you're [00:39:33] media, I've been getting hit up by a lot [00:39:35] of media, it's right there. There's a [00:39:36] link. Just go in. Um, and also if you [00:39:41] want to, if you want to support, you [00:39:43] want to support the mission, support the [00:39:45] event. You can do that there as well. [00:39:47] Um, it's all it's all set up for you. [00:39:48] You can you can do whatever you want. [00:39:50] But it's fightforchlarie.com. That's the [00:39:52] site. So all this all this stuff we're [00:39:54] talking about, you go to [00:39:55] fightforcharlie.com [00:39:56] and that is where [00:40:00] it's all been set up. And again, being [00:40:03] able to put a website up like that, get [00:40:05] it all together. That's the team. That's [00:40:07] just the team coming together. And [00:40:10] imagine what it's like having to come to [00:40:12] work [00:40:13] to show up at work after seeing [00:40:15] something like that [00:40:18] happen to your boss, to your coworker, [00:40:22] to a guy who worked at the same place [00:40:23] where you work and knowing that [00:40:28] there could be others, knowing there [00:40:29] could be threats, knowing there could be [00:40:30] more and still showing up anyway. And [00:40:33] that's what every single person here on [00:40:36] Troy Kirk side, Turning Point side, the [00:40:39] action side, everyone's done that. And [00:40:41] it's remarkable. It's absolutely [00:40:43] remarkable to all of them. I want to uh [00:40:48] I'm trying to think which play I want to [00:40:49] I want to play this uh this clip [00:40:52] 241. This is just a there's so many [00:40:55] memorials coming in, but you know, it's [00:40:58] Blake, you'll appreciate this. Hold on [00:40:59] one sec, guys. Because Charlie's last um [00:41:03] couple of speeches were in Asia, and I [00:41:06] don't know if this this is is made in [00:41:08] Asia or just has that, you know, that [00:41:10] anime style, but I really like it. So, [00:41:13] let's play it. Clip 241. [00:41:17] >> Get comfortable. Bring the best lives [00:41:19] that Utah has to offer. [00:41:26] Counting counting gang violence. [00:41:30] If you thought that my husband's mission [00:41:35] was powerful before, [00:41:37] you have no idea. [00:41:41] You have no idea what you just have [00:41:43] unleashed across this entire country [00:41:48] and this world. You have no idea. [00:41:53] [Music] [00:41:59] [Music] [00:42:01] [Applause] [00:42:05] joy. [00:42:17] >> I want to be I want to be remembered for [00:42:19] for courage for my faith. That that [00:42:22] would be the most important thing. Most [00:42:23] important thing is my faith in my life. [00:42:26] [Music] [00:42:30] That's pretty cool. I mean, it's it's I [00:42:33] I like how it just sort of fits it all [00:42:34] together and uh that was a good one. Um [00:42:39] but unfortunately, there are other [00:42:41] things happening that are not so good. [00:42:44] Let's play clip 89. [00:42:48] >> We have seen uh an alleged murder with [00:42:51] such specific text messages about the [00:42:54] alleged murder weapon, where it was [00:42:56] hidden, how it was placed, what was on [00:42:58] it, but also it was very touching in a [00:43:00] way that I think many of us didn't [00:43:02] expect. A very intimate portrait into [00:43:04] this relationship between the suspect's [00:43:07] roommate uh and the suspect himself with [00:43:09] him repeatedly calling his roommate who [00:43:12] is transitioning uh calling him my love [00:43:15] and I want to protect you my love. Um, [00:43:16] so was this duality of someone who the [00:43:19] attorney said not only jeopardized the [00:43:21] life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but [00:43:23] was doing it in front of children, which [00:43:24] is one of the aggravating circumstances [00:43:26] of this case, and on the other hand, he [00:43:28] was, you know, speaking so lovingly [00:43:30] about his partner. [00:43:33] >> Touching Blake, did very touching. [00:43:36] >> Did you Did you like what uh ABC's Matt [00:43:39] Gutman, I want to make sure I get that [00:43:41] right. Matt Gutman of ABC, his name [00:43:45] again, Matt Gutman of ABC had to say [00:43:49] that it was touching. He also um there's [00:43:52] a followup and I want to had tip to [00:43:54] Curtis Hack over at uh [00:43:58] at Newsbusters. I just saw him the other [00:43:59] day. He's at the Museum of the Bible [00:44:01] event, the prayer event with President [00:44:02] Trump. Um he goes there's a duality of a [00:44:06] very portrait of a very human person a [00:44:09] very human experience from the family [00:44:11] the kid who he's talking about the the [00:44:13] 4.0 know and don't I think ever spend [00:44:15] think I've experienced a press [00:44:17] conference and the text messages that [00:44:19] are so wholesome so robust so apparently [00:44:23] allegedly selfinccriminating but on the [00:44:25] other hand touching touching [00:44:28] and oh my god wait I I gosh I have to I [00:44:31] have to get into this with the suspect [00:44:33] reaching out to the roommate who who was [00:44:34] allegedly his boyfriend who we [00:44:36] understand you know he identified as [00:44:37] male as birth but now identifies as [00:44:39] female and the terminology he used he [00:44:41] was trying to protect him He was kept [00:44:44] calling him my love. My reason for doing [00:44:46] this is to protect you, you know, but [00:44:49] also asking him delete the messages and [00:44:51] not speak to law enforcement. So, [00:44:52] there's this this heartbreaking duality [00:44:55] that we're seeing very tragically [00:44:57] playing out here from Mark Gutman of [00:45:00] ABC. No, Mark Gutman, this wasn't Romeo [00:45:03] and Juliet, okay? [00:45:07] This is a murderer. But you listen to [00:45:09] this. You listen to this. Oh, it's so [00:45:11] touching. It's so touching. It's so It's [00:45:15] so heartfelt. These people are sick. [00:45:18] These people are scum. This is absolute [00:45:20] scum. [00:45:22] You want to talk about touching? You [00:45:24] want to talk about heartfelt? [00:45:27] Have you played a clip of Erica? Do you [00:45:30] play one of those videos? Mark Gutman, [00:45:32] you played one of those of Charlie's [00:45:34] kids who are growing up with no father [00:45:37] now because of this heartfelt [00:45:41] lover. [00:45:44] This guy like [00:45:48] why do these people always take the side [00:45:53] of the perpetrator of the criminal? [00:45:55] Because they agree with the perpetrator. [00:45:57] >> Yes. [00:46:00] seems a reasonable takeaway. [00:46:03] >> It's just it's Oh, um I'm getting told [00:46:06] we're, you know, we're coming up on the [00:46:08] end. I I just [00:46:12] more to come. More to come on that one. [00:46:14] More to come on that one. Tyler, any [00:46:16] final thoughts for that for now? [00:46:17] >> No, I just rest in peace, Charlie. We we [00:46:20] we love you, man. Um, this has been a [00:46:22] hard day, I think, for uh all of his [00:46:25] close family members, his parents, his [00:46:27] his sister, his his wife, his dear wife. [00:46:30] Uh, so we're we're with him. We're [00:46:31] praying for them. [00:46:32] >> Yeah. [00:46:32] >> Like, [00:46:34] I'm just mad, man. I'm mad. And that's [00:46:39] good, I suppose, because when I'm very [00:46:41] mad about this, I don't have to think as [00:46:43] much about just [00:46:47] It's okay to be mad. [00:46:50] like I'm not going to see him again. [00:46:55] I'm not going to see him again because [00:46:57] this psychopath that has such a touching [00:47:01] relationship with his whatever friend [00:47:06] decided just blow his life away cuz [00:47:10] because of what? [00:47:12] because he isn't like what he had to say [00:47:15] and who he was and what he stood for. [00:47:19] And then we get to turn on ABC and we we [00:47:22] get told how touching and heartfelt [00:47:26] the murderer is because of a couple of [00:47:29] text messages. [00:47:38] full and total justice and [00:47:42] accountability [00:47:44] so that scum like this [00:47:50] it just needs to stop. I I'm not even [00:47:52] going it just needs to stop. It needs to [00:47:54] stop. [00:47:57] Thank you guys. Fightforchley.com.