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[00:00:00] Good evening and welcome and happy
[00:00:02] anniversary. Tonight is the one-year
[00:00:04] anniversary of Trump's second election
[00:00:07] to the presidency. It was a year ago
[00:00:09] tonight that Donald Trump not only won,
[00:00:12] but won a majority of the popular vote.
[00:00:15] And not only won a majority of the
[00:00:16] popular vote, but won with a coalition
[00:00:18] that was broader than any Republican
[00:00:21] coalition probably since 1984
[00:00:24] with the Reagan landslide. So, a 40-year
[00:00:27] coalition. And at the time, looking at
[00:00:30] not just how many people voted, but who
[00:00:32] voted, it seemed really obvious if you
[00:00:34] were interested in keeping the left at
[00:00:36] bay and the Republicans in power for say
[00:00:38] the next generation or two, you would
[00:00:40] copy exactly what Donald Trump did
[00:00:42] because no one else has done it in 40
[00:00:44] years. He created this amazing
[00:00:48] not just landslide, not not really a
[00:00:50] landslide, but it was an amazing victory
[00:00:53] in an environment in which most people
[00:00:56] assumed you couldn't have an
[00:00:58] authoritative victory because the
[00:01:00] country is just too closely divided. So
[00:01:01] it was it was an amazing thing that
[00:01:03] Donald Trump did a year ago. So the
[00:01:06] election was a year ago. That means the
[00:01:07] midterm election is a year from now. The
[00:01:10] next presidential election two years
[00:01:11] after that. So, it's probably not too
[00:01:15] early to start thinking through what
[00:01:16] comes after Donald Trump. No respect to
[00:01:18] the sitting disrespect to the sitting
[00:01:20] president, but of course, there's going
[00:01:22] to be something after him because he
[00:01:23] can't run again.
[00:01:25] And needless to say, people are thinking
[00:01:27] about that. And not only are they
[00:01:28] thinking about it, they're already
[00:01:29] arguing and fighting about it. There is
[00:01:31] what Politico is calling a civil war in
[00:01:34] the Republican party. And it's over, of
[00:01:37] course, identity because the only wars
[00:01:40] we have in this country, the only
[00:01:41] sanctioned wars we have domestically are
[00:01:43] about identity. BLM, anti-semitism.
[00:01:47] Of course, that's not really what
[00:01:48] they're ever about. These are proxy
[00:01:50] wars. These are wars waged on behalf of
[00:01:54] people who aren't directly participating
[00:01:56] uh for reasons that are never openly
[00:01:58] stated. And this war is actually about
[00:02:03] what comes after Donald Trump.
[00:02:06] Does the Republican party, the party
[00:02:08] that now has power and a lot of money,
[00:02:10] revert to what it was before Trump, or
[00:02:13] does it continue to evolve in the
[00:02:15] direction that Trump has steered it?
[00:02:19] That's the question. And on that
[00:02:21] question hangs a lot. Well, control of
[00:02:23] the most powerful country in the world,
[00:02:25] control of the free world, such as it
[00:02:27] is, the shrinking free world, and um,
[00:02:31] you know, an awful lot of jobs for
[00:02:32] people and an an awful lot of military
[00:02:34] power. So there is a lot at stake in
[00:02:37] this contest. So consider the two
[00:02:40] choices here. You can go with the
[00:02:43] Republican party as it was, which is
[00:02:45] basically neoonservative foreign policy,
[00:02:47] libertarian economic policy,
[00:02:50] the you know Republican party of the
[00:02:53] think tanks in Washington of the Wall
[00:02:54] Street Journal editorial page of all the
[00:02:56] deep thinkers in the Republican party.
[00:02:58] Deep thinkers in the Republican deep
[00:03:00] thinkers. um the ones who are always
[00:03:03] invoking you know the same three Reagan
[00:03:05] quotes and quoting Toqueville
[00:03:07] incorrectly and you know doing their
[00:03:09] little we're ariodite impression uh or
[00:03:13] does it continue to become what it is
[00:03:16] currently becoming which is the party of
[00:03:17] Donald Trump what is that what is MAGA
[00:03:20] exactly how do you make America great
[00:03:22] again well Donald Trump in his sort of
[00:03:24] signature way which is to say never
[00:03:26] quite spelling everything all the way
[00:03:27] out because he's not very ideological
[00:03:31] but instead said sort of leading by
[00:03:33] implication and by action.
[00:03:36] The position of Donald Trump in the last
[00:03:37] election was America first. And what
[00:03:40] does America first means? America first
[00:03:42] means very simply the US government
[00:03:44] should act foremost on behalf of
[00:03:47] American citizens. Which is to say every
[00:03:49] big decision the US government makes
[00:03:51] should keep in mind the top of the list
[00:03:53] of concerns. How does this affect the
[00:03:55] people who pay for this and who I
[00:03:57] represent? And again, most people
[00:04:00] thought that was a system that we
[00:04:02] already had. Turns out it wasn't. Donald
[00:04:03] Trump awakened all of us to that. The
[00:04:05] system was not acting in the interest of
[00:04:07] the country. Was acting really without
[00:04:09] reference to the people living in the
[00:04:10] country. Didn't care. Um, and it was
[00:04:12] acting on behalf of a bunch of other
[00:04:14] different imperatives.
[00:04:16] And Donald Trump steered it back to
[00:04:19] where it was supposed to be in the first
[00:04:20] place, which was acting on behalf of
[00:04:21] America. That's what America first
[00:04:22] means. This was not just a popular
[00:04:24] message. This is the most popular
[00:04:26] political message that any candidate has
[00:04:29] delivered in many, many generations. And
[00:04:32] it's popular because, excuse me, it's
[00:04:35] self-evidently true. Who wouldn't want
[00:04:37] that? And that exactly that message is
[00:04:41] the message that drew a record high
[00:04:43] number of famously black voters, Latino
[00:04:47] voters, voters of all kinds, just
[00:04:48] American voters united by a belief that
[00:04:51] the US government ought to represent
[00:04:53] them and drain the swamp and no more
[00:04:55] pointless wars, etc., etc., but they're
[00:04:57] all branches of the same tree, which is
[00:04:58] America first, which is not only a
[00:05:01] non-threatening message, it's really the
[00:05:02] only legitimate message that a leader of
[00:05:05] America can send. And it's the only
[00:05:07] legitimate principle that can guide any
[00:05:11] American leader. So that is the winning
[00:05:13] message. If you're hoping to keep the
[00:05:15] Republican party dominant or make it
[00:05:16] into something more positive than it
[00:05:18] currently is, cleave to that and you
[00:05:21] will win. It's super obvious. There's
[00:05:23] like no person who thinks about this for
[00:05:25] 6 minutes who could disagree with that.
[00:05:27] On the other side is a return to the
[00:05:29] Republican party that we had before,
[00:05:31] which is a party that has all kinds of
[00:05:34] other agendas, most of which are never
[00:05:36] publicly revealed, and that spends a lot
[00:05:39] of its time policing its own members.
[00:05:40] Now, what does it attempt to achieve by
[00:05:43] policing them? Well, it attempts to
[00:05:44] achieve silence. It wants them to shut
[00:05:46] up about what is actually happening. And
[00:05:47] what is actually happening is that on
[00:05:49] the foreign policy side, which is the
[00:05:51] side that Washington cares about because
[00:05:52] it's got the most money and the most
[00:05:54] power, you can literally kill people and
[00:05:56] there's no power greater than that. Our
[00:05:59] foreign policy is not wholly dependent
[00:06:01] on the whims of Israel. Of course, we
[00:06:03] have, you know, acting in lots of parts
[00:06:04] of the world that have nothing to do
[00:06:05] with Israel, but it is unduly influenced
[00:06:09] by the concerns of Israel. And in some
[00:06:11] cases, the US government has acted, and
[00:06:13] these are all wellknown.
[00:06:15] The Iraq war, for example, has acted in
[00:06:17] ways that hurt the United States in
[00:06:20] order to help Israel. It has put the
[00:06:22] aims of a foreign power above its own
[00:06:24] interests. And that's immoral. It's
[00:06:29] illegitimate. It's extremely unpopular
[00:06:32] domestically
[00:06:34] and it just doesn't work over time.
[00:06:36] That's not sustainable. You can't
[00:06:38] there's no way to justify that. So
[00:06:39] rather than trying to justify it, they
[00:06:42] scream at people and tell them to be
[00:06:43] quiet and read them out of the movement
[00:06:45] and call them names and threaten them.
[00:06:48] But ultimately, because it's not a
[00:06:50] winning message, it cannot win over
[00:06:52] time. Particularly if people are allowed
[00:06:54] or somehow managed to describe it
[00:06:56] accurately. And unfortunately for the
[00:06:58] guardians of the old system, the old
[00:07:01] Republican party, people have been
[00:07:03] allowed to describe it accurately,
[00:07:05] mostly because Elon Musk opened up X.
[00:07:08] And you know, when you did that, you get
[00:07:09] all kinds of filth and nonsense and
[00:07:11] lies, but you also get some truth,
[00:07:13] actually quite a bit of truth. And one
[00:07:15] of the main things that people are
[00:07:16] telling the truth about that they didn't
[00:07:17] tell the truth about before is that our
[00:07:19] foreign policy really doesn't have much
[00:07:21] to do with what's good for the United
[00:07:22] States. And once those words have been
[00:07:24] uttered, they can't be taken back. and
[00:07:26] they change people's minds and the polls
[00:07:28] reflect the fact that they have people's
[00:07:30] views are different. So in the face of
[00:07:33] this kind of inevitable change of heart,
[00:07:36] collective change of heart in America
[00:07:37] where both parties are like wait why are
[00:07:39] we doing this? The people who are
[00:07:42] benefiting from the old arrangement
[00:07:44] which only continued because it was
[00:07:46] maintained by threats and silence. Those
[00:07:48] people are going absolutely bonkers
[00:07:50] and they have been all week and they're
[00:07:52] claiming it's about one thing, the
[00:07:54] Holocaust or something like that. But
[00:07:55] no, really, it's about who controls the
[00:07:57] Republican party after Donald Trump.
[00:07:58] That's what it's really about. So,
[00:08:00] ignore the moral posturing. This is a
[00:08:02] power struggle as all political parties
[00:08:04] have from time to time. And this one
[00:08:06] just happens to have a lot of
[00:08:07] emotionally unbalanced, hysterical
[00:08:08] people with no limits who have access to
[00:08:10] social media. So, they're scaring the
[00:08:11] crap out of everybody. But, it's it's
[00:08:13] really kind of a conventional power
[00:08:14] struggle. So who are the players in
[00:08:17] this? Well, some of them are in the
[00:08:18] pundit class. The more ludicrous ones
[00:08:21] are in the pundit class, but some of
[00:08:22] them are actual sitting politicians. And
[00:08:24] if you were to choose one who symbolizes
[00:08:29] what we're actually debating and the
[00:08:32] stakes of this conversation, it would
[00:08:34] have to be Lindsey Graham. Lindsey
[00:08:35] Graham is a senator, a senior senator
[00:08:38] from the state of South Carolina, one of
[00:08:39] the most conservative, reliably
[00:08:41] Republican states out of 50. and he has
[00:08:44] been in Congress since 1994. So that
[00:08:46] would be 31 years. And he is running for
[00:08:50] yet another term as a US senator. He's
[00:08:53] 70 years old. He'd like to serve till
[00:08:54] he's 77.
[00:08:57] And he has the support not simply of the
[00:09:00] White House. He has an endorsement from
[00:09:01] the president, but he has more donor
[00:09:05] support probably than anyone who's ever
[00:09:07] run in the history of the United States.
[00:09:09] I mean, Lindsey Graham has so much donor
[00:09:12] support and donors just as a numerical
[00:09:14] question probably represent, you know, a
[00:09:16] hundth to 1% of the American population,
[00:09:18] but have a a great deal higher
[00:09:19] proportion of the money. Um, he's the
[00:09:22] most popular candidate they've ever
[00:09:24] backed. He's like a higher IQ, less
[00:09:27] grading Nikki Haley, a Ronda Santis.
[00:09:31] And so, they'll be backing him. And all
[00:09:34] things being equal, he will be
[00:09:36] reelected. And so why does this matter?
[00:09:40] Well, it matters not because Lindsey
[00:09:42] Graham is like a horrible person. I
[00:09:45] mean, he may be a horrible person. The
[00:09:46] truth is Lindsey Graham is actually a
[00:09:48] very charming person and a very
[00:09:50] interesting dinner partner and a fun
[00:09:52] person to be with. Hilariously funny. I
[00:09:54] met him for the first time. I was his
[00:09:56] seatmate on a campaign bus in 1999. He
[00:09:58] was a member of Congress and we spent a
[00:10:00] couple of weeks sitting next to each
[00:10:01] other and by the end I thought to
[00:10:02] myself, I love this guy. He's hilarious.
[00:10:04] Always a joke. Always has a drink in his
[00:10:06] hand. like he's a he's genuinely a
[00:10:09] cheerful person, probably fun to play
[00:10:11] golf with.
[00:10:13] So, the reason that this is an important
[00:10:15] race is not because Lindsey Graham is
[00:10:16] like Mark Levin, you know, someone you
[00:10:19] if you were stuck in an elevator with
[00:10:20] him, you'd have to obviously kill
[00:10:21] yourself because you couldn't handle.
[00:10:22] He's not that. You would enjoy you'd
[00:10:23] enjoy being stuck in an elevator with
[00:10:25] him. The reason it's so important is
[00:10:27] because Lindsey Graham is the living
[00:10:29] symbol of the old Republican party, the
[00:10:32] Republican party that did a lot, almost
[00:10:34] as much as the Democratic party to
[00:10:35] destroy the United States. And so if he
[00:10:38] is reelected next November, that will be
[00:10:41] a sign that actually the Democratic
[00:10:43] system doesn't work. Lindsey Graham's
[00:10:44] views are not popular. They are despised
[00:10:47] in the state of South Carolina. His
[00:10:49] views, if you were to disagregate
[00:10:50] Lindsey Graham from what he believes and
[00:10:52] just pull Republican primary voters in
[00:10:54] South Carolina, do you agree with this?
[00:10:56] Lindsey Graham would be less popular
[00:10:57] than the Democrat because his views are
[00:11:00] repugnant to Republican voters and to
[00:11:02] Trump voters. And so if he were to get
[00:11:04] elected anyway, it would tell you that
[00:11:07] the system doesn't respond to the
[00:11:09] concerns of voters and therefore the
[00:11:12] system isn't working and isn't
[00:11:14] legitimate because the point of the
[00:11:15] system is to respond to those concerns.
[00:11:19] And so a lot is at stake. If Lindsey
[00:11:22] Graham wins, it will be the most
[00:11:23] dispiriting thing to happen in American
[00:11:26] politics in a very, very long time. So
[00:11:29] if Kla Harris went were to win in the
[00:11:31] last, you know, a year ago tonight, it
[00:11:32] would be horrible. She'd be a awful
[00:11:35] president, probably even worse than
[00:11:37] Biden, insecure, fragile, weird, dumb.
[00:11:42] You can just imagine a nightmare. But at
[00:11:44] least you could say, well, she was
[00:11:46] elected by a party that kind of agrees
[00:11:48] with her. You know, Kla Harris got
[00:11:50] elected because the Democrats are
[00:11:51] insane. Okay, what's the excuse if
[00:11:53] you're a Republican voter, if you're a
[00:11:54] Trump voter for electing Lindsey Graham?
[00:11:58] Hard to think of one. So, just want to
[00:12:01] spend a couple of minutes before we go
[00:12:02] to one of the men challenging Lindsey
[00:12:04] Graham in the Republican primary next
[00:12:06] June, Paul Dans, who we're going to talk
[00:12:08] to in a minute. We want to go through a
[00:12:11] couple of things you should know about
[00:12:13] Lindsey Graham. So, if Graham gets
[00:12:15] reelected, it'll be because the true
[00:12:17] Lindsey Graham, his record, his views,
[00:12:19] his priorities,
[00:12:21] his dark impulses are all lost in the
[00:12:24] haze of propaganda that surrounds him.
[00:12:26] and people only know him through the
[00:12:27] political ads that, you know, his donors
[00:12:29] paid for. So, we think it's important
[00:12:31] for people to know who he actually is.
[00:12:33] We're going to start with a clip. We
[00:12:36] could do this for like eight hours, but
[00:12:37] we're gonna do this for like 20 minutes
[00:12:38] because we want to get to the guest. But
[00:12:40] we're gonna start with a clip from this
[00:12:42] past Saturday, I think this past
[00:12:44] weekend. And Lindsey Graham was giving a
[00:12:48] speech of the Republican Jewish
[00:12:49] Coalition, I think, in Vegas.
[00:12:52] And he was one of many speakers who were
[00:12:53] getting hysterical and threatening
[00:12:55] violence against Republicans who don't
[00:12:57] agree with them and jumping up and down
[00:12:58] and raging about the Nazis, the Nazis.
[00:13:02] um you know 80 years after we defeated
[00:13:04] them. Um and Lindsey Graham was probably
[00:13:08] in some ways less hysterical, but he was
[00:13:10] the kind of most important office holder
[00:13:13] at this event and he said a couple of
[00:13:14] things that really reveal the program
[00:13:18] precisely. Here is Lindsey Graham this
[00:13:21] last weekend. He recognize Jerusalem as
[00:13:24] capital of Israel. Why?
[00:13:28] Because if you got a problem with that,
[00:13:29] take it up with God. He's the guy that
[00:13:31] did it, not Trump.
[00:13:34] So, I just want to say I feel good about
[00:13:36] the Republican party. I feel good about
[00:13:39] where we're going as a nation. We're
[00:13:41] killing all the right people and we're
[00:13:42] cutting your taxes.
[00:13:44] >> So, there a couple things to notice
[00:13:45] about this that really tell you
[00:13:47] everything you need to about Instagram.
[00:13:49] First, he's and we left the context.
[00:13:51] He's defending Donald Trump. He's saying
[00:13:52] not defending Trump is probably pretty
[00:13:54] popular in the room, but he's saying,
[00:13:56] you know, remember Trump's like a great
[00:13:58] president. Why is he great? Well,
[00:14:00] because he moved the US embassy from Tel
[00:14:02] Aviv to Jerusalem.
[00:14:04] What I mean, okay, you can make a case
[00:14:07] for it or not, but like why should I
[00:14:09] care exactly? It's a purely symbolic
[00:14:12] move. It has actual consequences
[00:14:14] internally in Israel,
[00:14:16] but it doesn't even pretend to improve
[00:14:18] your life. Graham didn't get up and say,
[00:14:20] you know, he made prescription drugs
[00:14:22] cheaper. He's going to lower your health
[00:14:23] insurance, make it easier for your kids
[00:14:25] to buy a home. He got the cities under
[00:14:27] control. They're now safe. You can use
[00:14:29] the parks. He's improving the schools.
[00:14:31] You couldn't send your kids to public
[00:14:32] school. Now you can. You can use the
[00:14:34] emergency rooms again cuz he's deported
[00:14:36] 10 million illegal aliens who were
[00:14:38] hogging the space, which is where we
[00:14:40] currently are. No. The reason you should
[00:14:43] love Trump is because he moved the
[00:14:45] embassy, the US embassy in a foreign
[00:14:47] country from one city to another. Huh?
[00:14:49] Why does that matter? Well, Lindsey
[00:14:50] Graham, explain why it matters. Because
[00:14:53] God commanded it. Oh. If you don't like
[00:14:56] that, take it up with God. So God, it
[00:14:58] turns out, and this may be in one of the
[00:15:00] non-cononical books in the scriptures,
[00:15:03] God wanted the US State Department to
[00:15:07] move the American embassy from Tel Aviv
[00:15:09] to Jerusalem. I mean, it's like kind of
[00:15:11] a basic tenant of our faith. It may even
[00:15:14] be in the catechism.
[00:15:16] What? And of course given the venue, no
[00:15:19] one raised hand said, "I'm sorry,
[00:15:20] Lindsey Graham, not a Bible scholar
[00:15:21] here." But how do we know that God
[00:15:23] wanted the State Department to move an
[00:15:25] embassy,
[00:15:27] you know, 80 miles [clears throat] or
[00:15:28] whatever the distance is from one city
[00:15:31] to another? How do we know that's God's
[00:15:32] preference? But Lindsey, this is kind of
[00:15:35] a tick of Lindsey Graham. He explained
[00:15:37] recently that if you have a problem with
[00:15:39] in Israel, God will kill you. And that
[00:15:41] would include the United States. He
[00:15:43] said, I'm almost quoting him here, if
[00:15:45] the United States abandons Israel, God
[00:15:49] will abandon the United States and kill
[00:15:52] us all. We'll die if we don't support,
[00:15:55] as he calls it, Israel.
[00:15:58] Israel. This is the Mike Huckabe
[00:16:00] pronunciation, Israel. Which may be some
[00:16:02] kind of like dog whistle meant to
[00:16:05] telegraph that like I'm really on your
[00:16:06] side. It may be like the Keev rather
[00:16:09] than Kiev. when you call it Israel, it's
[00:16:12] like, "Yeah, I got it. We're on the same
[00:16:14] page." But anyway, so the first thing we
[00:16:16] learn is the most important fact to know
[00:16:19] about Trump, the reason you should love
[00:16:20] him is because he supports Israel.
[00:16:23] Second is God demands whatever sort of
[00:16:28] like policy of the moment is God's will.
[00:16:32] Lindsey Graham, who like just guessing
[00:16:34] probably not a Bible scholar and if he
[00:16:37] is, he's skipping over certain parts of
[00:16:39] the book. Excuse
[00:16:41] me. Uh, and the third thing to learn,
[00:16:44] and this really is the heart of Lindsey
[00:16:46] Graham, is that the Republican party is
[00:16:49] doing what you voted for us to do, and
[00:16:52] that is, and I'm quoting now,
[00:16:55] cutting your taxes and killing all the
[00:16:58] right people.
[00:16:59] So, that that's like that's the perfect
[00:17:02] distillation. Instagram is clever. He's
[00:17:04] hardly a genius. He's not like a
[00:17:06] philosopher or anything, but he has
[00:17:08] summed up the Republican party that
[00:17:10] Donald Trump overthrew more precisely
[00:17:12] than any person I've ever heard in my
[00:17:13] life. Cutting your taxes and killing all
[00:17:16] the right people. Cuz that really is the
[00:17:20] crispest way to describe the marriage of
[00:17:23] libertarian economics
[00:17:26] and neocon foreign policy, cutting taxes
[00:17:29] and killing.
[00:17:31] And if you think about it,
[00:17:34] who'd want to be associated with that?
[00:17:36] Not an argument for higher taxes. Higher
[00:17:38] taxes can be bad, but cutting taxes is
[00:17:41] not an a virtue in itself.
[00:17:44] The point is, if people are overburdened
[00:17:46] by the tax system, if it's hurting them
[00:17:48] and we're not getting a lot out of it,
[00:17:49] if it's growing like, you know, some
[00:17:52] completely impenetrable democracy that's
[00:17:54] hurting the country, which it is, by the
[00:17:56] way, then of course you want to cut
[00:17:57] taxes, I guess, to starve the cancer or
[00:17:58] whatever. You can make the argument. But
[00:18:00] cutting taxes itself is hardly a virtue.
[00:18:03] It's a it's a contextual matter.
[00:18:04] Sometimes it is, sometimes it is. It
[00:18:06] totally depends.
[00:18:08] But in Lindsey Graham's simplistic but
[00:18:10] heartfelt formulation, cutting taxes is
[00:18:12] just a positive good always. And so is
[00:18:15] killing people. Killing people. Sum up
[00:18:17] foreign policy. Killing people. Killing
[00:18:19] the right people. No, they got to be the
[00:18:20] right people. But killing people.
[00:18:22] Killing people is just it's just a good
[00:18:25] thing. Like it's one of those things you
[00:18:26] don't need to describe. It's like sex
[00:18:27] with your wife. It's just good. Have you
[00:18:29] have you killed someone today? Oh, good.
[00:18:30] You have Okay, good. That's how he
[00:18:33] thinks of it. And if you take three
[00:18:35] steps back, I mean, you're sort of
[00:18:36] tempted if you've known Lindsey Graham,
[00:18:37] like I have for 25 years. You're like,
[00:18:38] "Ah, it's Lindsey Graham." You know,
[00:18:39] he's always saying these provocative
[00:18:40] things, but if you think about it for a
[00:18:42] second,
[00:18:44] like, you're a sick [ __ ] if you say
[00:18:45] something like that, much less if you
[00:18:47] believe it. Killing people. Have you
[00:18:49] ever met anyone who's killed someone?
[00:18:52] You You probably have. You may be
[00:18:54] someone who's taken a human life. It's a
[00:18:56] very heavy thing and it's something that
[00:18:58] even if you win the fight and walk away
[00:19:00] and the other man doesn't, it stays with
[00:19:02] you for life because it's the heaviest
[00:19:06] thing there is and it's the most
[00:19:07] forbidden thing there is. It's the
[00:19:09] darkest thing there is. We don't create
[00:19:11] life and except under very rare specific
[00:19:14] circumstances, we're not allowed to
[00:19:16] extinguish it because we're not God. And
[00:19:18] so if you're casually encouraging other
[00:19:21] people to kill and if you're gleefully
[00:19:24] in front of an audience applauding like
[00:19:26] seals bragging about the killing that
[00:19:28] you are doing, you know you're not on
[00:19:31] the team you think you are, that's
[00:19:33] really evil. And if that's what your
[00:19:37] party amounts to, cutting taxes and
[00:19:39] killing people,
[00:19:42] who's for that? I mean, some people are
[00:19:44] for it. All the the ghouls in the room
[00:19:45] were for it.
[00:19:46] >> [laughter]
[00:19:47] >> you killing people, okay? But most
[00:19:49] people, especially when they have time
[00:19:51] to think about it, like you're on a
[00:19:52] plane, you have time to stare out the
[00:19:53] window and think about what something
[00:19:54] means,
[00:19:56] you're repulsed by that because it's
[00:19:58] repulsive. It's the most repulsive
[00:19:59] thing. And in fact, a good government, a
[00:20:02] government that really cared about its
[00:20:04] people, would do everything it possibly
[00:20:05] could to prevent people with that
[00:20:07] attitude like Lindsey Graham from ever
[00:20:08] holding power or wielding it over others
[00:20:11] because they're monsters. Cheerful
[00:20:14] monster. Hilarious monster. goodnatured
[00:20:17] monster.
[00:20:18] But monster, there's kind of no way
[00:20:20] around it. And in a moment where people
[00:20:23] are being, you know, deplatformed and
[00:20:25] censored and screamed at and called
[00:20:27] names for their opinions,
[00:20:29] you know, some of those opinions are
[00:20:30] good, some are bad. Okay, we can debate
[00:20:32] opinions, but just not we're not
[00:20:33] debating opinions. We're just crushing
[00:20:34] people for having opinions that, you
[00:20:36] know, we're characterizing a certain way
[00:20:38] and calling them bad, denouncing them.
[00:20:41] Here you have a guy who's really never
[00:20:42] denounced by anybody bragging about
[00:20:45] killing
[00:20:47] And all the little ghouls are
[00:20:48] applauding. It's amazing moment.
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[00:21:58] But if you're a Republican voter, if
[00:22:00] you're a Trump voter, for example, or
[00:22:02] Republican donor, or someone who thinks
[00:22:03] of himself as like kind of boxed in by
[00:22:05] the system and unable to vote for
[00:22:07] anybody but Republicans, you need to do
[00:22:09] whatever you can to make sure that
[00:22:11] that's not your party's platform,
[00:22:13] cutting taxes and killing people. And
[00:22:15] you need to make sure that the guy who's
[00:22:17] joking about it on stage and beaming
[00:22:19] with joy as he talks about murder is not
[00:22:21] one of your leaders. You really have to
[00:22:22] do that for your own sake and for the
[00:22:24] sake of your country. Now, are we taking
[00:22:26] that out of context? Is that just like
[00:22:28] something we pulled and he was maybe
[00:22:30] drunk again and it was a joke and we're
[00:22:34] being unfair and No, [laughter] no, not
[00:22:38] at all.
[00:22:40] Lindsey Graham of all members except
[00:22:42] maybe this the that weird guy from
[00:22:44] Florida, Randy Fine, who's like openly
[00:22:46] endorsing genocide.
[00:22:48] Lindsey Graham of every member of
[00:22:50] Congress can be relied upon at every
[00:22:53] public event, every photo opportunity,
[00:22:56] every time you run into him on the
[00:22:58] street to be calling for the murder of
[00:23:01] somebody. Killing is the point of
[00:23:04] Lindsey Graham's political career,
[00:23:07] trying to convince the rest of us to get
[00:23:08] on board with killing when we won't.
[00:23:10] Screaming at us and calling us names and
[00:23:12] you're the hater because you're not on
[00:23:14] board with killing this or that person.
[00:23:16] It's all about killing people. I want to
[00:23:19] give you a second example. This is
[00:23:22] Lindsey Graham who's from the very
[00:23:24] beginning been a staunch supporter of
[00:23:27] really one of the most brutal dictators,
[00:23:29] let's just say it out loud, in Europe in
[00:23:32] 80 years. And that would be Zalinski,
[00:23:35] the unelected dictator of Ukraine, who's
[00:23:37] basically devoting half of his life to
[00:23:40] extinguishing Christianity in Ukraine.
[00:23:42] All of us are supposed to ignore that,
[00:23:44] but it's actually happening. putting
[00:23:45] priests in jail, killing his political
[00:23:48] opponents, murdering critics. That's
[00:23:50] happening right now. Lindsey Graham, of
[00:23:51] course, loves him because he's he's
[00:23:53] doing a lot of killing, killing the
[00:23:54] right people, as Lindsay put it. Here's
[00:23:55] Lindsey Graham in a conversation with
[00:23:58] Zalinski.
[00:23:59] And sorry, another parenthetical note.
[00:24:03] Graham and Zilinsky, both of whom are
[00:24:05] hardened warriors who run around in
[00:24:07] military uniforms talking about how
[00:24:08] tough they are. Neither one will ever
[00:24:09] sit for an interview that isn't a kiss
[00:24:12] ass interview. I've made about a hundred
[00:24:14] requests to each of them. No. So, they
[00:24:16] interview each other. But here's Lindsey
[00:24:18] Graham talking to Prime Minister
[00:24:21] Zalinski about killing. Watch.
[00:24:24] >> Free or die.
[00:24:25] >> Free or die.
[00:24:26] >> Now you are free.
[00:24:27] >> Yes.
[00:24:28] >> And we will be.
[00:24:29] >> And the Russians are dying.
[00:24:30] >> The best money we've ever spent.
[00:24:33] >> Thank you so much.
[00:24:35] >> The Russians are dying.
[00:24:38] It's the best money we've ever spent.
[00:24:40] Again,
[00:24:41] just encouraging you to think about what
[00:24:43] you're hearing for a second because all
[00:24:45] of a sudden we live in a moment when a
[00:24:48] lot of people are espousing violence.
[00:24:52] It's funny, a year ago, if you would
[00:24:54] asked a year on election night, if you
[00:24:55] would asked a lot of Trump voters like,
[00:24:58] "Why are you voting for Trump?" They
[00:25:00] would give positive reasons. I really
[00:25:02] think that the American government
[00:25:03] should serve American citizens. I
[00:25:05] believe in America first. But they would
[00:25:07] also, I think, say, "I'm really afraid
[00:25:10] of the other guys." And two of the
[00:25:11] things that bother me most about them is
[00:25:13] they don't believe in free speech.
[00:25:15] They're constantly pushing for
[00:25:16] censorship. And their rhetoric is
[00:25:18] violent. Their rhetoric, they're
[00:25:19] encouraging violence. They encourage the
[00:25:20] BLM riots. They encourage violence all
[00:25:22] the time.
[00:25:25] And yet a year later, here you have all
[00:25:27] these leading Republicans doing what are
[00:25:29] they doing? Oh, demanding censorship.
[00:25:31] Should be fired for saying that. You
[00:25:33] shouldn't platform someone, meaning you
[00:25:35] shouldn't let them talk.
[00:25:37] And you shouldn't be allowed to talk to
[00:25:39] people we disagree with. All of a
[00:25:41] sudden, we're in charge of who you talk
[00:25:42] to. That's not totalitarian or anything.
[00:25:46] I can choose who you talk to.
[00:25:48] And we're going to just openly say that
[00:25:51] people we don't like should die. Should
[00:25:53] die. And here's Lindsey Graham taking
[00:25:57] joy in, and I'm quoting, Russians dying.
[00:26:00] Best money we ever spent. If you can
[00:26:02] spend money to make people die, that is
[00:26:05] money well spent. You freak.
[00:26:08] By the way, it's not, you know, here are
[00:26:10] the five generals or 10 generals or list
[00:26:13] of people we think are responsible for
[00:26:15] war crimes and the dawn boss. Okay. I
[00:26:18] mean, we could debate whether they are
[00:26:19] or not. Probably not, but maybe they
[00:26:21] are. And you'd say the person who
[00:26:23] committed the crime is being punished.
[00:26:26] But Lindsey Graham, who has a completely
[00:26:28] non-western understanding of justice, is
[00:26:31] saying because they are in this group,
[00:26:35] they must die. So that's the
[00:26:38] distinction. And this is the actual
[00:26:40] fight. It's a fight between people who
[00:26:43] understand justice the way that
[00:26:45] Christians understand justice, which is
[00:26:48] on an individual basis. We punish the
[00:26:50] guilty. We punish the person for
[00:26:51] committing the crime. We don't punish
[00:26:53] his kids. People who share the same last
[00:26:55] name or live down the street from him or
[00:26:56] look like him or are somehow related to
[00:26:59] him speak the same language as him
[00:27:02] because they didn't do anything wrong.
[00:27:04] We don't punish the innocent in
[00:27:06] Christianity because we believe in the
[00:27:08] human soul, the individual soul. We
[00:27:10] don't think we're judged as a group. We
[00:27:13] think we are judged as individuals. will
[00:27:14] stand alone alone before God to account
[00:27:18] for what we did not for what our kids
[00:27:20] did not for what our grandparents did
[00:27:22] not for what our neighbors did or our
[00:27:24] countrymen did or our leaders did but
[00:27:25] for what we did and that is the basis of
[00:27:28] western justice and it's being abandoned
[00:27:31] and without a fight because people don't
[00:27:33] understand what is happening but make no
[00:27:36] mistake the attitude that you just heard
[00:27:37] from Lindsey Graham is an eastern
[00:27:39] understanding a non-Christian
[00:27:40] understanding of justice the Russians
[00:27:43] what does that
[00:27:44] What? What? Russians?
[00:27:47] Just Russians? They're dying. Best money
[00:27:49] we ever spent. So, you're watching two
[00:27:52] things. You're watching someone who's
[00:27:53] embraced collective punishment as Israel
[00:27:56] has, as most of the world has. By the
[00:27:57] way, it's not just Israel and it's not
[00:27:59] just Lindsey Graham. It's most countries
[00:28:02] at most times in history believed in
[00:28:04] collective punishment and collective
[00:28:05] reward. You're the favored group. You're
[00:28:08] the totis and you get a better deal or
[00:28:11] whatever. You're the chosen people.
[00:28:14] in whatever society or religion, but
[00:28:16] you're the brahinss,
[00:28:18] you get because of your DNA a better
[00:28:22] deal. The diversity, DEI, affirmative
[00:28:26] action, they're all species of the same
[00:28:27] kind of thinking, which is collective
[00:28:30] thinking, which denies the reality of
[00:28:33] the individual human soul and it is
[00:28:35] therefore anti-Christian. And the entire
[00:28:38] West was set up as a bull work against
[00:28:41] that kind of thinking. And that's why it
[00:28:43] succeeded and that's why it's been free
[00:28:45] and prosperous and happy. And people
[00:28:48] like Lindsey Graham don't acknowledge
[00:28:49] that and instead they worship death.
[00:28:53] And he has as noted a long career of
[00:28:56] doing this. This is not a conservative
[00:28:59] principle. This is not a Christian
[00:29:00] principle. This is a left-wing
[00:29:05] atheist agnostic at best principle. This
[00:29:08] is the I am God. I'll kill whom I want
[00:29:11] when I want principle. And it's been on
[00:29:14] display his whole life. On January 6th,
[00:29:18] Lindsey Graham said to a Capitol Hill
[00:29:21] police officer, "You guys have guns. Why
[00:29:24] don't you shoot them all in the head? I
[00:29:26] wish you had shoot them all in the head.
[00:29:29] These aren't Russians. These are
[00:29:30] Americans. These are like 60-year-old
[00:29:33] ladies with pocket constitutions in
[00:29:35] their handbags and diabetes and bad
[00:29:37] knees who thought their election was
[00:29:38] stolen from them because they believe in
[00:29:40] the system. And so they marched on the
[00:29:42] capital. They didn't know at the time
[00:29:45] that there were like 230 FBI
[00:29:48] whatever they were agents, provocators,
[00:29:51] that the whole thing was managed. Some
[00:29:53] of us sensed that immediately. Lindsey
[00:29:55] Graham could find out. Maybe he has. He
[00:29:57] doesn't care. Those people in some cases
[00:30:00] lured into this trap, allowed into the
[00:30:02] capital by security. That's on
[00:30:05] videotape. We're not guessing. Those
[00:30:07] people should be executed
[00:30:09] because what? They made him scared and
[00:30:12] he was scared on 911. Talk to his
[00:30:14] colleagues. I have. Lindsey Graham was
[00:30:16] terrified. Lindsey Graham is a physical
[00:30:19] coward. Of course he is. All the chicken
[00:30:22] hawks are. It's why they don't fight the
[00:30:23] wars. But they're also
[00:30:27] victims in this. When you call for the
[00:30:30] deaths of others, when you regard other
[00:30:33] people's lives as meaningless, when you
[00:30:36] think it's the best use of federal tax
[00:30:38] dollars to murder them, as he does,
[00:30:42] you become more afraid for your own
[00:30:45] life. It's always true. Dictators are
[00:30:48] always paranoid and afraid. They're
[00:30:50] never brave ever.
[00:30:54] And Lindsey Graham is no different.
[00:30:57] Shoot them in the face.
[00:31:00] So the idea that Lindsey Graham is a
[00:31:02] conservative with the caveat that like
[00:31:04] who even knows what a conservative is
[00:31:05] now? Conservative. Is Mark Levin a
[00:31:09] conservative? Is Dave Rubin, whoever
[00:31:11] that is, is he conservative? Okay, I
[00:31:14] guess. I mean, whatever.
[00:31:18] But if those are the people, Ted Cruz,
[00:31:21] conservative, I don't take a close look
[00:31:22] at Ted Cruz's life. What's conservative
[00:31:25] about it? Let's take a close look at
[00:31:26] Lindsey Graham's life. Is that
[00:31:27] conservative? And what what's the
[00:31:29] reference point for that? What do you
[00:31:31] even mean?
[00:31:33] People like that have a completely
[00:31:36] different set of values on the deepest
[00:31:38] level. Not on a surface level. We're not
[00:31:40] arguing here about tax rates, you know,
[00:31:43] and whether we should allow
[00:31:44] reimpportation prescription drugs. I
[00:31:46] mean, this is not a policy debate. This
[00:31:47] is a debate that flows from deepest
[00:31:51] level convictions, from foundational
[00:31:53] beliefs,
[00:31:55] and that is evident in the way that
[00:31:57] people live. If I took a microscope to
[00:31:59] your life, what would I find? And in the
[00:32:01] case of almost every single wararmonger,
[00:32:04] you find chaos and sadness and
[00:32:07] alienation and weird behavior and
[00:32:09] abusiveness and alcoholism. It's like
[00:32:11] they're a disaster. And so they're
[00:32:13] projecting outward
[00:32:16] the hate that they feel on in some cases
[00:32:19] entire populations and increasingly on
[00:32:21] the American population on the American
[00:32:24] population.
[00:32:25] So when you think of like a conservative
[00:32:28] as you know buttoned down and has his
[00:32:30] act together is committed to his family
[00:32:32] and his grandchildren, it's like this is
[00:32:34] not that conservative. So are they
[00:32:36] conserv who knows what they are? But the
[00:32:38] point is Lindsey Graham has sided with
[00:32:40] the Democratic Party from his earliest
[00:32:43] days in the Congress. I mean, this is
[00:32:45] literally the guy who convinced John
[00:32:48] McCain to turn over the ridiculous
[00:32:54] Russia Gate, the original Russia Gate
[00:32:57] private investigator/intel agency files
[00:33:00] about Donald Trump, the peape of the
[00:33:01] rest, to turn that over to the FBI if it
[00:33:03] was real. Lindsey Graham believed that
[00:33:06] the 2020 election or the 2016 election
[00:33:09] was controlled by Russia. There was
[00:33:10] never any evidence for that at all. But
[00:33:12] he believed it. He said it. He believed
[00:33:15] Trump was a Russian agent. How did he
[00:33:17] wind up in the inner circle? I mean, God
[00:33:18] knows what's actually going on. But the
[00:33:21] point is, if that's the future of the
[00:33:23] Republican party,
[00:33:26] it's going to be a very small party. And
[00:33:28] it's going to be a small party where
[00:33:30] like the worst people in the world are
[00:33:32] all like clustered together
[00:33:35] jockniffing yelling at each other. Who
[00:33:37] who knows what they do. But if you
[00:33:39] wonder like who Lindsey Graham actually
[00:33:41] is, what his gut instincts are, take a
[00:33:45] look at his first reaction to the death
[00:33:48] of George Floyd. And in case you don't
[00:33:49] remember that story, it was Memorial Day
[00:33:51] 2020. this convicted armed robber, home
[00:33:55] invader, drug addict former porn star
[00:33:57] tries to pass a counterfeit bill in a
[00:34:00] convenience store like this poor
[00:34:01] convenience store owners in Minneapolis
[00:34:03] and gets arrested for it and then
[00:34:05] promptly dies of a drug OD. That was all
[00:34:07] pretty obvious from day one actually.
[00:34:10] But that wasn't Lindsey Graham's view at
[00:34:12] all. Here's what Lindsey Graham said
[00:34:14] about George Floyd.
[00:34:15] >> The topic for the country is what to do
[00:34:18] after the death of Mr. Floyd and what
[00:34:20] does the death of Mr. Floyd mean? Well,
[00:34:22] it's a long overdue wakeup call to the
[00:34:25] country that there are too many of these
[00:34:26] cases where uh African-American men die
[00:34:29] in police custody under fairly brutal
[00:34:32] circumstances. Mr. Floyd's case is
[00:34:36] outrageous on its face, but I think it
[00:34:38] speaks to a broader issue. I think this
[00:34:40] committee has the potential to reinforce
[00:34:44] things in society that will lead to
[00:34:46] better policing. And hopefully one day
[00:34:49] if you're a young black man and the cops
[00:34:51] pull up behind you, you'll be wondering
[00:34:54] if you were going too fast rather than
[00:34:56] you're going to get beat up.
[00:34:59] [laughter] I mean like
[00:35:03] h it is liberal white women like Lindsey
[00:35:05] Graham who are the real problem. I mean
[00:35:08] here he is. What's his first instinct?
[00:35:10] By the way, that's June of 2020. That's
[00:35:13] like days after it happened.
[00:35:15] Congressional hearing. Kla Harris is
[00:35:17] looking like as a fake black person I'm
[00:35:19] really really concerned about what
[00:35:20] you're saying Lindsey Graham but he's
[00:35:22] saying exactly the same thing she would
[00:35:24] say exactly the same what's what's the
[00:35:27] core assumption that everything you saw
[00:35:29] at NBC News is true the story that you
[00:35:31] were fed was absolutely true and it was
[00:35:34] a cop problem wasn't George Floyd's
[00:35:36] George Floyd had nothing to do with it
[00:35:37] he was just like some random black guy
[00:35:39] who got pulled off the street for being
[00:35:40] black and executed thank god on camera
[00:35:42] so the rest of us saw it but for being
[00:35:45] black and this is like endemic in our
[00:35:47] society. It's like half like every other
[00:35:49] black person in America is just like
[00:35:50] murdered by the cops. He's damn white
[00:35:51] cops making $50,000 a year. They have
[00:35:54] all the power. [laughter]
[00:35:57] Yeah. So that was his gut reaction. He
[00:35:59] bought the whole thing and there he is
[00:36:01] lecturing cops. Really the problem is we
[00:36:03] need better policing in this country.
[00:36:04] Really? And of course none of that
[00:36:07] turned out to be true. And you know it
[00:36:09] was obvious to some of us on like day
[00:36:10] one that this was BS. It was a
[00:36:12] manufactured crisis designed to affect
[00:36:16] broad social change. It was a revolution
[00:36:17] and it was and it did affect broad
[00:36:19] social change and hundreds of thousands
[00:36:22] of Americans have died of crime or drug
[00:36:24] ODS ever since because of the so-called
[00:36:27] reforms that people like Lindsey Graham
[00:36:30] screamed about, screeched about. He and
[00:36:32] the other liberal white ladies
[00:36:35] demanded that we re-educate the police
[00:36:38] cuz it's their fault. Imagine having
[00:36:41] that response. You know who else had the
[00:36:42] response? Nikki Haley had the response.
[00:36:44] Nikki Haley, also from South Carolina,
[00:36:46] also a crazy neocon. First thing she
[00:36:48] said, "The riots happening are good for
[00:36:51] America. We need to watch what's
[00:36:53] happening and feel the pain cuz we
[00:36:55] deserve it. It's our fault." Really?
[00:37:00] When a convicted armed robber tries to
[00:37:02] pass a counterfeit bill at some
[00:37:04] convenience store and then dies of a
[00:37:07] fentinel OD?
[00:37:09] It's our fault. Tell me how that works.
[00:37:12] But no one challenged her. No one
[00:37:13] challenged him. They immediately joined
[00:37:15] the chorus
[00:37:17] of the worst people in the world whose
[00:37:18] first instinct was to blame the people
[00:37:20] who did nothing wrong. In this case, the
[00:37:22] cops.
[00:37:23] And the consequences were terrible for
[00:37:25] American society. No one ever called
[00:37:26] them to account for it. Now, why did
[00:37:28] they do that? Partly because
[00:37:31] all the ladies in a certain income class
[00:37:34] or many of them have just like the same
[00:37:35] gut reactions and it's resentment toward
[00:37:37] men and it's self-hatred and it's guilt
[00:37:39] and the desire to seem virtuous in
[00:37:41] public etc etc etc. Books have been
[00:37:43] written about this though not enough
[00:37:45] but really it has to fact they don't
[00:37:47] care what happens to the United States
[00:37:49] because it's not really that relevant
[00:37:51] because that's not their goal. Their
[00:37:52] goal isn't to improve the United States,
[00:37:54] which is why they haven't, not even a
[00:37:55] little bit. Their goal is to be power
[00:37:59] players in global politics because it
[00:38:00] makes them feel strong, to kill people
[00:38:02] because you get a real electric charge
[00:38:03] from that. And to serve the interests of
[00:38:06] Israel. Oh, it's an anti-semitic slur.
[00:38:08] No, it's what they say out loud all the
[00:38:12] time.
[00:38:14] Here's Lindsey Graham. This an amazing
[00:38:16] clip. I I don't No one even noticed
[00:38:17] this. Watch this. This is Lindsey Graham
[00:38:20] describing his personal travel schedule
[00:38:22] and how often he's in Israel. Watch
[00:38:23] this.
[00:38:24] >> Uh, well, this is my fifth visit, I
[00:38:26] think, since October the 7th.
[00:38:29] >> I'm here for a reason, to show support
[00:38:31] to you, my good friend, the elected
[00:38:34] leader of the state of Israel. I'm here
[00:38:37] also to take on and I will talk about
[00:38:39] this tomorrow
[00:38:41] a form of blood liel in 2024
[00:38:45] that the state of Israel is using
[00:38:47] starvation as a weapon of war.
[00:38:51] >> It's like an infomercial. IT'S LIKE A
[00:38:53] BADLY SHOT infomercial for like prostate
[00:38:56] health cures or something. Super beats
[00:38:58] or like stand there. Well, Dr. So and
[00:39:00] so, you know, it's like it's
[00:39:01] unbelievable. He is doing PR for a
[00:39:05] foreign country. And even Netanyahu, the
[00:39:07] he's a prime minister of another
[00:39:09] country, not our country, another
[00:39:10] country, looks a little bit embarrassed.
[00:39:11] Like, who is this this weird kind of
[00:39:13] fawning guy? Is he going to touch my
[00:39:14] chest as I'm uncomfortable? You can feel
[00:39:16] that. But the whole point of Lindsey
[00:39:20] Graham being there, cuz he tells us it's
[00:39:21] the point, is to defend Israel from
[00:39:24] unfair criticism on the internet. Hm. Is
[00:39:26] that his job as a US senator to be
[00:39:29] unpaid? And we're guessing about the
[00:39:31] unpaid part, but I do sense he'd do it
[00:39:33] for free to be a PR shill for a foreign
[00:39:39] prime minister, not even really the
[00:39:40] nation, another politician who's not an
[00:39:42] American. What the hell is going on? And
[00:39:45] then he just admits out loud, this is my
[00:39:48] fifth trip to Israel since October 7th.
[00:39:51] Fifth trip. Huh? So this was in March.
[00:39:55] So that's 5 months after October 7th.
[00:39:59] This is in March of 2024.
[00:40:02] October 7th was 2023. So 5 months, five
[00:40:06] trips to Israel. That's one trip to
[00:40:08] Israel a month.
[00:40:11] Huh? Is there any chance that Lindsey
[00:40:14] Graham has been in the I don't know,
[00:40:16] state capital of South Carolina,
[00:40:18] Colombia, once a month during that time?
[00:40:22] No, there's no chance. In fact, he
[00:40:23] hasn't. By the way, Lindsey Graham was
[00:40:25] that same year in Ukraine more often
[00:40:29] than he was in Columbia, South Carolina.
[00:40:32] And what's he doing there this time?
[00:40:33] Well, he tells us he is there to refute
[00:40:36] the blood liel. It's exactly not exactly
[00:40:39] what that is, but something to do with
[00:40:40] like anti-semitism or it means you hate
[00:40:42] the Jews or you're defending the
[00:40:43] Holocaust or something horrible. You're
[00:40:45] a Nazi. Something like totally beyond
[00:40:47] the pale.
[00:40:50] And the blood liel is that Israel is
[00:40:53] using starvation as a weapon of war.
[00:40:54] Now, who would say that? Does seem like
[00:40:56] a kind of a tough criticism. Well, let's
[00:40:58] see. Israeli cabinet ministers Smoocher
[00:41:02] and Smootrich and Ben Gavir have both
[00:41:04] said that out loud. And their cabinet
[00:41:06] members in the current government and
[00:41:09] they have said, "Yeah, starve them out.
[00:41:11] Starve them out. Kill them." I mean,
[00:41:13] they're all the same. They're
[00:41:13] Palestinians. Their their crime is their
[00:41:18] genetics. Their blood is tainted. We
[00:41:21] have magic blood. They have tainted
[00:41:23] blood. God loves us, hates them.
[00:41:26] And when they die, it's just a virtuous
[00:41:28] thing because they're not human.
[00:41:32] There's no doubt always and everywhere
[00:41:36] that that kind of thinking, thinking
[00:41:38] about other people in terms of the group
[00:41:40] into which they were born, rather than
[00:41:43] in terms of what they do, what they're
[00:41:44] like as individuals, that that kind of
[00:41:46] thinking leads to mass killing, genocide
[00:41:48] every single time. And not just in
[00:41:51] Germany in the ' 40s though it did lead
[00:41:52] to genocide there but also in the
[00:41:55] Ottoman Empire in 1918 and also in
[00:41:58] Rwanda in 1994 and actually throughout
[00:42:00] history. When people start thinking of
[00:42:02] other people not as people but as
[00:42:04] components of some larger whole whose
[00:42:06] value is determined by their blood,
[00:42:10] you will inevitably wind up killing all
[00:42:13] of them if you can
[00:42:16] because they're not really people. And
[00:42:18] you will also wind up saying out loud
[00:42:20] that it's okay to starve their children
[00:42:22] to death as they have said repeatedly.
[00:42:25] And not just some random guy in the
[00:42:27] comments section on the Jerusalem Post,
[00:42:30] but at least two current
[00:42:34] cabinet members of the current
[00:42:35] government. But Lindsey Graham is
[00:42:37] telling us that's a blood liel. Why are
[00:42:39] you telling me that I have internet
[00:42:41] access? Why are you saying that?
[00:42:44] because you're a liar and nothing you
[00:42:48] say
[00:42:49] is true
[00:42:51] except what you say about yourself and
[00:42:54] that's that you love another country
[00:42:56] more than you love your own and you love
[00:42:58] killing more than you love living and
[00:43:01] that's enough to know you can't be a
[00:43:03] leader in the party I vote for I'm sorry
[00:43:06] and so with that in mind and we hope you
[00:43:08] agree with that we're sorry to say it
[00:43:09] but this is not a very safe country walk
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[00:44:18] With that in mind, Paul Dans is running
[00:44:21] against Lindsey Graham in the Republican
[00:44:24] primary, which is in June of next year.
[00:44:27] We don't know a ton about him. We're
[00:44:28] about to find out, but that's all we
[00:44:31] need to know. This is unacceptable.
[00:44:33] Ladies and gentlemen, Paul Dance, I'm
[00:44:35] grateful you're here.
[00:44:37] >> My pleasure.
[00:44:37] >> Thank you. And I'm grateful that you're
[00:44:40] running against Lindsey Graham, not just
[00:44:43] as a protest candidate or some, you
[00:44:45] know, 80-year-old I'm fed up guy, but as
[00:44:47] someone who understands the policies,
[00:44:49] who's been involved in making policy,
[00:44:51] and who has a realistic chance of
[00:44:52] beating Lindsey Graham. And I just want
[00:44:54] to say out loud yet again, my motives
[00:44:57] are not personal. I've always liked
[00:44:59] Lindsey Graham, but I think he's very
[00:45:02] obviously evil. And if he is the face of
[00:45:04] the Republican party, normal people
[00:45:06] can't support it, including me. So, it's
[00:45:08] so important to send the statement that
[00:45:11] we are not for killing of innocence or
[00:45:14] blood lust or whatever weird demonic
[00:45:16] trip Lindsay is on. Um, and I so I'm
[00:45:19] just I'm really praying for your
[00:45:20] victory. So, how did you decide, let's
[00:45:22] just start at the end. How did you
[00:45:23] decide to run against Lindsey Graham?
[00:45:25] Well, I'm original MAGA. You know, I
[00:45:28] kind of go back to even H Ross Perau
[00:45:31] days and we'll get in a little bit about
[00:45:32] how I
[00:45:33] >> You supported Perau.
[00:45:34] >> Oh, I was a Perau. Per is my first vote
[00:45:36] for president. Uh I came from a um kind
[00:45:40] of a traditional ethnic Catholic family,
[00:45:42] working class. My parents were the first
[00:45:45] to um you go to college, first actually
[00:45:48] speak English.
[00:45:49] >> Um my my siblings were the first. They
[00:45:51] my parents spoke u Spanish and French at
[00:45:54] their households. Um, but you know, my
[00:45:56] why am I running ultimately against
[00:45:58] Lindsay is for God, family, country. I
[00:46:00] don't think we have a a choice at this
[00:46:02] stage. This is about the future of the
[00:46:04] movement. Whether MAGA, America first
[00:46:06] lives or dies, we have to start thinking
[00:46:09] post Trump and and this is going to be
[00:46:11] the fight for the future of this
[00:46:13] country. I've I've I've I've stand on
[00:46:15] the shoulder of giants. My family's
[00:46:17] tradition, coming here as immigrants,
[00:46:20] living the American dream, building,
[00:46:21] working for it, fighting for it, dying
[00:46:23] for it, and uh I can't sit on the
[00:46:26] sidelines with all the gifts, you know,
[00:46:28] the Lord has has given me at this point
[00:46:30] in time. Um I'm a dad of four now to be
[00:46:34] five. And um Well, you have a fifth
[00:46:36] child on that.
[00:46:37] >> I do. It's quite incredible. My wife is
[00:46:40] 22 weeks pregnant. And um it's a
[00:46:42] blessing from God. You know, this is
[00:46:44] it's what happens when two folks try to
[00:46:46] work from home. [laughter]
[00:46:49] >> Is that what I wish I had five? I
[00:46:52] >> No, my wife's a famous ballerina and um
[00:46:54] so she's you can imagine she does her
[00:46:57] workouts at home and everything like
[00:46:58] that, but I I've been very supportive of
[00:47:00] her of her business and and I was, you
[00:47:03] know, working in the trenches, if you
[00:47:06] will, for the last five, seven years
[00:47:09] really with the Trump admin. I I was the
[00:47:10] architect of project 2025 and um you
[00:47:14] know right now this is I I believe God
[00:47:17] has a plan for us all and this is a
[00:47:19] calling but it's it's also that I have
[00:47:23] the life experience. We I cannot sit
[00:47:25] back and watch somebody like Lindsey
[00:47:27] Graham represent our state. Um I live
[00:47:30] God family country and when you live
[00:47:33] those values that's how you can actually
[00:47:35] happen make them happen in Washington.
[00:47:37] Well, that's exactly right. Cuz it's
[00:47:38] sincere because you're defending your
[00:47:40] religious faith, your family, and your
[00:47:43] nation. It's not theoretical. It's not
[00:47:45] an ideology. It's not a personal fetish,
[00:47:48] which I think in his case it is. If I
[00:47:50] see one more homoerotic picture of
[00:47:52] Lindsay with Ukrainian soldiers, I'm
[00:47:53] just I'm I don't know what I'm going to
[00:47:54] do. And I'm not attacking, you know, or
[00:47:57] attacking gays or anything like that,
[00:47:59] but like this is just a this is a oneman
[00:48:01] sick fetish being imposed on a nation of
[00:48:03] 350 million. And I'm just sick of it.
[00:48:06] But it's one thing to oppose that. I'm
[00:48:09] not running against Lindsey Graham.
[00:48:10] Like, how did you actually decide to put
[00:48:12] it on the line and start a a Senate
[00:48:14] campaign?
[00:48:15] >> Well, like I say, I I was a Trump guy
[00:48:18] before Trump knew he was running. I I I
[00:48:20] um and we can talk more about my
[00:48:22] family's bio because I feel that that
[00:48:24] informs so much of who I am. Yeah. But,
[00:48:27] uh, you know, I I was hoping Trump Trump
[00:48:29] won it ran in 2012.
[00:48:32] >> And, um, I'm one of these guys who was
[00:48:35] a, uh, kind of curious about the
[00:48:37] birthplace of a former president, if you
[00:48:39] will, which Trump was asking all those
[00:48:40] questions. I remember him going up to
[00:48:42] Vermont to uh, New Hampshire here, and I
[00:48:45] thought he was going to announce um, and
[00:48:47] famously he called on for the birth
[00:48:49] certificate. But um you know Trump was a
[00:48:53] uh
[00:48:53] >> you saw Trump even then in 2011 12 as a
[00:48:58] potential political leader.
[00:49:00] >> Absolutely. You know my my dad's family
[00:49:02] came up from a cold water flat in New
[00:49:04] York City and uh you know my
[00:49:07] grandparents built that city. They were
[00:49:09] um immigr my my they were born in the US
[00:49:13] but their their parents weren't. and to
[00:49:16] see that city grow, you know, uh my
[00:49:18] grandfather was at sea for 40 years as a
[00:49:21] as a marine, a merchant marine, and and
[00:49:24] um my grandmother was an interpreter.
[00:49:27] She spoke eight languages and in in the
[00:49:29] city, but the malaise that happened in
[00:49:31] the 1970s, they never thought would
[00:49:33] change. And then it did change with Rudy
[00:49:36] Giuliani and Trump and this belief that
[00:49:39] we could rebuild in America. And so I
[00:49:42] knew of Trump long before that just from
[00:49:44] hearing the stories of my grandparents
[00:49:46] about, you know, facing being uh mugged
[00:49:49] on the subway and all the how the city
[00:49:51] is slid down and finally people were
[00:49:53] digging out New York. And he's he's
[00:49:55] famous for the Wman rink there. Yes. But
[00:49:57] it's em emblematic of somebody who
[00:50:00] basically comes in and reorders the
[00:50:02] system and who kind of um is a strong
[00:50:05] man in a way as a mayor or somebody who
[00:50:08] can actually come in and get things done
[00:50:09] when bureaucrats are running around
[00:50:11] doing nothing.
[00:50:12] >> Exactly. That's it's funny that you you
[00:50:14] saw that so early. I didn't at all. And
[00:50:16] when Trump called me in 2015 to say he
[00:50:19] was running, I I knew him, of course. I
[00:50:22] always liked him, but I said um you know
[00:50:25] that's so I laughed at him because I
[00:50:27] didn't get it at all and I didn't take
[00:50:29] it seriously at all. I mean I soon
[00:50:32] changed my views but I just it's
[00:50:33] interesting that you saw it so early.
[00:50:35] >> Well, like I say, you know, we we
[00:50:37] graduated my um you know, if we can go
[00:50:40] back to to kind of how I evolved as as
[00:50:43] to be like a Republican. Um my family uh
[00:50:48] Dan is Spanish is GGO and my um
[00:50:51] grandparents um were living down in a
[00:50:53] cold water flat that means there's no
[00:50:55] hot water. This isn't a tenement that
[00:50:57] they tore down. They moved my family
[00:50:58] into housing projects. Um and ultimately
[00:51:01] my dad was was a only child but he was
[00:51:05] you can think of it almost as a dookie
[00:51:06] house or a guy who was raised by his uh
[00:51:09] maternal grandmother because everyone
[00:51:11] was working. She was a a cleaning lady.
[00:51:14] um and he made it to uh military school,
[00:51:18] graduated college at 19 and then
[00:51:21] Columbia medical school at 23. So he
[00:51:23] became like a leading man in medicine.
[00:51:25] He was um in the Barry plan uh which is
[00:51:29] the doctor's draft back in the 60s. Um
[00:51:32] they needed doctors for the military. So
[00:51:34] my dad was drafted into that and did his
[00:51:36] Vietnam service um in the NIH. Um but
[00:51:40] this was you know at the time my
[00:51:42] grandfather was uh at sea and um this is
[00:51:45] when New York was really its top
[00:51:47] merkantile um existence where there were
[00:51:49] actually factories in New York City. Um
[00:51:52] he was later on on the Merman run which
[00:51:55] is the famous um convoys in the North
[00:51:57] Atlantic and grandpa was in the engine
[00:52:00] room which um you know this is if you
[00:52:02] want a definition of what a man is
[00:52:04] because I know our culture struggles to
[00:52:06] define a woman but you can imagine
[00:52:09] somebody like Popeye. I think my
[00:52:10] grandparents literally looked like Popey
[00:52:12] and olive oil, but um he literally had a
[00:52:15] uh tattoo on his forearm. But these were
[00:52:17] the people who were just brave and did
[00:52:19] it, you know, and uh he he went to to uh
[00:52:23] see in World War II, you know, Nazi
[00:52:27] torpedo sunk in his boat. These guys
[00:52:29] when they came home, the merchant
[00:52:30] marines, these were hard scrabble
[00:52:32] people. They didn't even get veterans
[00:52:34] benefits. So my family tradition is kind
[00:52:37] of like giving everything for this
[00:52:38] country and getting kicked in the teeth
[00:52:40] for it and then coming and loving it
[00:52:42] even more. So um ultimately they did
[00:52:45] give veterans benefits in 1989 and I
[00:52:48] believe that uh Goldwater Barry
[00:52:51] Goldwater was one of the chief champions
[00:52:53] of this. So my grandparents became
[00:52:55] Goldwater conservatives and really
[00:52:57] that's how they they evolved to be
[00:52:59] Reaganites. So they were kind of these
[00:53:01] hard hat outer burrow New Yorkers who
[00:53:05] who moved from, you know, slum
[00:53:07] tenementss to public housing and then
[00:53:10] ultimately to a little piece of the rock
[00:53:12] up in the Bronx. So that's my dad's side
[00:53:14] of the family. And you know, my mom's
[00:53:17] side is even more, you know, maybe not
[00:53:19] more patriotic, but the same sort of
[00:53:21] crew that came from workingclass stock.
[00:53:23] They were um French Canadian immigrants.
[00:53:26] Um my uh grandfather was one of 22.
[00:53:29] That's kind of I guess runs in our
[00:53:31] blood. Um but he my mom uh was the
[00:53:35] youngest of eight in a town called
[00:53:36] Wooden Socket. Uh they worked in the
[00:53:39] textile Rhode Island.
[00:53:40] >> Wakeet, Rhode Island. Um textile mill
[00:53:43] workers, right? And these guys were the
[00:53:45] mechanical geniuses. Um five of her
[00:53:47] brothers went off fought World War II.
[00:53:49] Their first language was was French. So
[00:53:51] they actually went behind enemy lines.
[00:53:54] They cut the supply lines. They landed
[00:53:55] on D-Day and these were the simple guys
[00:53:58] who kind of came back to the machine
[00:54:00] machine shops and stuff uh here to only
[00:54:02] see the factory town move abroad in um
[00:54:07] >> in the 1990s.
[00:54:08] >> The story of all New England, the
[00:54:09] French, you know, the the Arcadians
[00:54:12] coming down to staff the factories and
[00:54:13] then just getting marooned.
[00:54:14] >> Yeah. It's it's the story of all over
[00:54:17] this country, you know, and we had moved
[00:54:19] around. Like I say, my dad was in the
[00:54:20] military. I know Lindsay's team likes to
[00:54:23] tag me as a New Englander, but uh I
[00:54:26] lived in Boston for all two months when
[00:54:28] I was a baby. Um but my dad was on
[00:54:30] orders from the military. So, you know,
[00:54:32] it's kind of like he's a Vietnam vet and
[00:54:34] and we're a military family moving
[00:54:36] around. We we moved to Colorado in the
[00:54:38] early 70s and this was posth hippie
[00:54:41] Colorado and dad wasn't quite a social
[00:54:44] justice warrior but it was a little
[00:54:46] closer to kind of Archie Bunker dynamic
[00:54:49] where he they were you know kind of
[00:54:52] questioning the Vietnam War. um dad had
[00:54:54] done his service but there wasn't
[00:54:56] something sitting right about it and um
[00:55:00] ultimately he stood up the first migrant
[00:55:02] health clinic in and kind of because his
[00:55:04] first language was Spanish. So um as
[00:55:07] well as like VD walk-in clinics these
[00:55:09] were my dad revolutionized a lot of how
[00:55:12] medical care is given that we take for
[00:55:14] granted. Um in the old days you only had
[00:55:16] a primary care physician. Yeah. So we
[00:55:18] came east in the in uh the bsentennial
[00:55:22] year in 1976 and that was kind of my
[00:55:25] wonder years and I think that's what
[00:55:27] really built the whole patriotic feeling
[00:55:29] cuz you know these were all I knew were
[00:55:31] these great quiet men and women who
[00:55:34] sacrificed for the country and you know
[00:55:36] living in the in the uh footsteps of
[00:55:39] Mount Vernon. came east. I was a health
[00:55:42] policy fellow on on the hill and got a
[00:55:44] taste of kind of uh public policy and um
[00:55:48] we got to go around Washington in in the
[00:55:50] bsentennial year. My parents were uh my
[00:55:53] mom was um uh chemist she and he and my
[00:55:58] father were introduced by the parish
[00:56:00] priest in 1966 in in Washington. So they
[00:56:05] were Kennedy-esque. They were the people
[00:56:06] who came to Washington and were not
[00:56:09] asking what their country could do for
[00:56:11] them but what they could do for their
[00:56:12] country. So literally I'm I'm the spawn
[00:56:14] of two NIH scientists and um very
[00:56:18] patriotic background. We um you know
[00:56:22] learned uh back in those days we used to
[00:56:25] sing songs uh patriotic songs in second
[00:56:28] grade and third grade and and uh kind of
[00:56:31] came up through that. Um, dad ultimately
[00:56:34] got uh recruited to John's Hopkins where
[00:56:37] he stood up the first ethics and
[00:56:39] medicine course. So, dad and mom, we
[00:56:42] were very uh uh faithful Catholics and
[00:56:45] uh always going to church. I was an
[00:56:47] alter boy after all. Um but that's how
[00:56:50] we kind of grew up. K through 12 public
[00:56:52] schools. My mom went and worked in the
[00:56:54] underprivileged schools in Baltimore and
[00:56:57] um I went to MIT. I was recruited to go
[00:57:00] to MIT and and there I kind of
[00:57:03] encountered the first taste of globalism
[00:57:06] and what was happening and this kind of
[00:57:07] struggle to hold on to your working
[00:57:10] class value roots in your family in the
[00:57:12] face of kind of what they're telling you
[00:57:15] of a more global picture and and that's
[00:57:18] that rubbed me the wrong way and that's
[00:57:20] how I how I got to HR.
[00:57:21] >> You never fell for it at all.
[00:57:23] >> No, I didn't. I you know I think it was
[00:57:25] I was blessed with great parents. You
[00:57:27] know, I I I really respected mom and dad
[00:57:30] and and ultimately I think when you look
[00:57:33] at a politician, you want to you should
[00:57:36] have a right to value that person. You
[00:57:38] say that person could be a role model. I
[00:57:40] struggle in life, but I was blessed with
[00:57:42] the right direction early on. And I know
[00:57:44] a lot of people haven't been in those
[00:57:46] situations, have to overcome things. I
[00:57:48] certainly overcame a lot is in my
[00:57:50] childhood as well. Um but you know you h
[00:57:54] the grounding that you get and and those
[00:57:57] um values carry you for the rest of your
[00:57:59] life. And um I didn't fall for it. Uh
[00:58:02] and I saw you know my twin brother
[00:58:04] identical twin Tom um went to Brown. So
[00:58:08] he's going to Brown at the same time I'm
[00:58:10] going at MIT and I'm hearing about this
[00:58:13] kind of uh this where they incubated
[00:58:16] cultural Marxism. Okay. My two sisters
[00:58:19] both went to Princeton. So we were like
[00:58:22] this kind of family of nerds, right?
[00:58:24] That my dad was a professor, my mom was
[00:58:27] a public school teacher, and we were all
[00:58:28] about education, you know, gifted and
[00:58:30] talented, always always striving. Um,
[00:58:33] but we began to get this dosage of of
[00:58:37] cultural Marxism. Um, what was
[00:58:40] interesting though was we came up at the
[00:58:42] end of kind of the cold war period. So
[00:58:44] in public schools in Baltimore County,
[00:58:46] they actually were teaching Russian and
[00:58:49] my three siblings learned were Russian
[00:58:52] from probably a retired CIA agent for
[00:58:55] sure that they were um but we they were
[00:58:57] the last off the production line of kind
[00:58:59] of um you know red-blooded Americans who
[00:59:02] could speak Russian and and you know my
[00:59:04] parents had this uh just a great ability
[00:59:07] to in in inculcate
[00:59:10] us with values and arts and my mom was a
[00:59:13] pianist. she she turned down a
[00:59:15] scholarship to Eastman School of Music
[00:59:17] to go to college at at Trinity in
[00:59:19] Washington first on the full
[00:59:21] scholarship. But so that's I never fell
[00:59:23] for it. Um and I felt quite the
[00:59:28] opposite. I I I pursued economics at MIT
[00:59:32] and and then ultimately a master in in
[00:59:34] urban planning and that's where uh I
[00:59:37] became a if you will a community
[00:59:38] organizer later on Obama was the
[00:59:41] community organizer and chief but that's
[00:59:43] where they were training also starting a
[00:59:45] lot of this kind of um indigenous people
[00:59:49] work and kind of uh questioning of
[00:59:52] American society uh from a social
[00:59:54] organizing sort of point of view but to
[00:59:56] back racted economics. This is um at MIT
[01:00:02] in the early 90s was when they were
[01:00:04] putting up the theoretical basis for
[01:00:06] globalism and I remember you know MIT
[01:00:09] economics is probably the top in the
[01:00:11] world. That's where all the Nobel hang
[01:00:13] their hat. And my my macro econ
[01:00:16] professor Solo was literally receiving
[01:00:19] the e the um
[01:00:22] uh the award that that year in 91 I
[01:00:26] believe it was or 90 and uh he was
[01:00:29] beginning to put the theoretical
[01:00:30] underpinnings for if we moved production
[01:00:33] out of the United States but as long as
[01:00:35] the return to capital came back to
[01:00:37] United States citizens, we would be all
[01:00:39] set. And what they never factored in is
[01:00:42] what what they called externalities,
[01:00:44] right?
[01:00:45] >> And the externalities are the mom and
[01:00:47] pops and all the families that have
[01:00:49] built their entire life around this
[01:00:51] factory town that have all their equity
[01:00:53] in that in that house that have their
[01:00:55] social.
[01:00:55] >> The idea was you could just move and if
[01:00:57] you make it easy for capital to move,
[01:01:00] then human beings will move and you'll
[01:01:01] have a much more efficient system and
[01:01:03] you'll take out all the friction and
[01:01:04] everything will be great. We'll all be
[01:01:06] richer and happier.
[01:01:07] >> Yeah. Well, it was obvious immediate
[01:01:08] because Gary, Indiana had already
[01:01:10] happened. Detroit had already happened.
[01:01:11] So, we
[01:01:12] >> Baltimore had already happened. The
[01:01:14] steel mill closed in Baltimore. So, it's
[01:01:15] like you knew what would happen if we
[01:01:17] took the manufacturing out because it
[01:01:19] had happened. They didn't care at all.
[01:01:21] >> Well, I used to take the train up from
[01:01:24] Baltimore to MIT. And that's how I I
[01:01:27] talked about seeing the passing scenery
[01:01:28] of these derelct factories. And I'm the
[01:01:31] guy who's staring out the window the
[01:01:32] whole time imagining going, "What's
[01:01:34] happening here?" And I'm knowing about
[01:01:35] my own family. you know, my my uncles,
[01:01:39] they they've fearlessly fought World War
[01:01:41] II. They came back and, you know, they
[01:01:43] the the mill closed and the mill moved
[01:01:45] and now he's a literally a May tag
[01:01:48] repairman and um you know, the kids are
[01:01:50] getting into alcohol and drugs and and
[01:01:52] this and you can kind of see it
[01:01:54] happening in real time,
[01:01:55] >> which is kind of weird for circa 1990
[01:01:59] anyone to be trying to expand
[01:02:02] the
[01:02:03] the disaster that led to the pro
[01:02:06] campaign. ultimately led to two Trump
[01:02:08] presidencies. Like we knew and I I lived
[01:02:10] here. We're the same age. I remember
[01:02:12] very well thinking, "Well, that doesn't
[01:02:14] work.
[01:02:15] >> If it worked, then what is the
[01:02:17] explanation for Gary Indiana?"
[01:02:19] >> Yeah. Well, I mean, the giant sucking
[01:02:21] sound from the south when when he put
[01:02:23] that in place, uh, H Ros Perau did, and
[01:02:26] basically talked about NAFTA and the
[01:02:27] effect of moving all these factories
[01:02:29] over over the border. um he was precient
[01:02:33] about it and to be sure it you know we
[01:02:36] were we were coming out of this peace
[01:02:38] dividend. Clinton had just come up to be
[01:02:40] president and we're talking about base
[01:02:42] closures and realignments and uh this is
[01:02:46] kind of like we had a great opportunity
[01:02:48] to make this the country of milk and
[01:02:50] honey. [clears throat] Like you have to
[01:02:52] back up and say why are we not
[01:02:54] overflowing here? Why is why do we live
[01:02:57] in in a in a society where people are
[01:02:59] literally knuckle dragging right now
[01:03:01] with fentinol in Philadelphia and
[01:03:03] walking around like how could this be
[01:03:05] after we fought those wars and invested
[01:03:08] all that blood and treasure.
[01:03:09] >> Yeah, I thought we won.
[01:03:10] >> We did. You would have thought, right?
[01:03:13] Um but you know the struggle the fight
[01:03:15] never ends. And that's the point of why
[01:03:17] I'm running that we need to um there's
[01:03:20] just so much shared sacrifice over 250
[01:03:23] years from not only my ancestors but
[01:03:26] pretty much everyone listening to this
[01:03:27] they have a story some route back
[01:03:29] longer. My wife's family came 300 years
[01:03:32] ago and they were you know farmers in
[01:03:34] eastern North Carolina and and kind of
[01:03:36] hard scrabble life. if you want to
[01:03:38] listen to the stories of my
[01:03:39] mother-in-law talk about the war and
[01:03:42] like the deprivation after the Civil War
[01:03:44] even. Um, but you know, it's it's to
[01:03:48] forget all that in a in a generation or
[01:03:50] two is is absurd. And and I have the
[01:03:53] ability now that I've I've worked on the
[01:03:56] front lines. I was a top attorney in
[01:03:58] Manhattan. Um, I' I've facing off with
[01:04:01] the progressives. I understand how they
[01:04:03] think. And then I went into government
[01:04:06] and was able to re reinvent it in a way
[01:04:09] that now has allowed President Trump to
[01:04:11] come out, you know, as gang busters.
[01:04:14] That's that's why I'm standing up. As
[01:04:16] important as it is, politics is not the
[01:04:18] answer to this country's or man's
[01:04:20] greatest problem. The only solution is
[01:04:23] Jesus. Sorry, that's true. At its core,
[01:04:26] politics is a process of critiquing
[01:04:28] other people and getting them to change.
[01:04:32] Christianity is the opposite.
[01:04:34] Christianity begins with a call for you
[01:04:36] to change, me to change. It's called
[01:04:39] [music] repentance, and it brings you
[01:04:41] back to God. When God is at the center,
[01:04:44] hearts change. Only that will lead to
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[01:05:44] join us. It's interesting though because
[01:05:46] you I'm you know you look back to with
[01:05:48] not to dwell on the past but to say 1990
[01:05:52] 1992 Clinton's election
[01:05:55] 1998
[01:05:56] I think Lindsey Graham's election
[01:05:59] and it just seemed like it was liberals
[01:06:01] versus conservatives. It was like normal
[01:06:03] people versus Clinton or later normal
[01:06:05] people versus Obama. you didn't really
[01:06:07] understand or I didn't understand that
[01:06:09] there were different kinds of
[01:06:11] Republicans and some of them were
[01:06:12] actually aligned with the Democrats
[01:06:15] secretly Lindsay being the most obvious
[01:06:17] and others were really for the country
[01:06:19] and for fixing the country. I didn't get
[01:06:21] that. You clearly did if you're
[01:06:24] supporting. So tell me why you supported
[01:06:26] Perau for example in '92 his first run.
[01:06:28] >> Well you know I I think it was my
[01:06:30] parents were uh this kind of you know
[01:06:33] push and pull with with Reagan. I mean,
[01:06:35] to your credit, you guys saw Reagan
[01:06:37] early on, and my grandparents saw Reagan
[01:06:40] early on. I I was uh John Anderson, if
[01:06:43] you will, if you want to really go back
[01:06:44] in fourth grade, we had the uh you know,
[01:06:47] the we did our mock debates and I was um
[01:06:50] there was Reagan and and there was um
[01:06:53] Carter and and I was John Anderson in
[01:06:55] that. So, my neighborhood.
[01:06:57] >> No kidding. So, I guess it was the
[01:06:59] independent streak was early on in me.
[01:07:02] Um and you know it was really searching
[01:07:05] for the values that that uh I was never
[01:07:08] part of anyone's club. Okay. So uh I you
[01:07:11] know we we had my dad was in academic
[01:07:13] medicine. We weren't wealthy but we did
[01:07:15] well enough and um but we were public
[01:07:18] schools and and I you know I was a nerd
[01:07:21] basically. I I had uh glasses. I had
[01:07:24] head gear if anybody remembers that. I
[01:07:26] had I had a tough time. I had dyslexia
[01:07:28] and um
[01:07:29] >> headgear and dyslexia.
[01:07:31] >> Oh yeah. I had it all.
[01:07:32] >> Can you explain what for those who are,
[01:07:34] you know, not 56 what headgear is?
[01:07:36] >> Well, that was an orthodontic thing
[01:07:38] where um
[01:07:39] >> Yeah, it sure was. It was also an
[01:07:41] aesthetic thing.
[01:07:42] >> Yeah. I mean, you know, growing up in in
[01:07:44] the 80s was a magical time really and I
[01:07:47] wouldn't trade it for the world and I
[01:07:48] think there's a lot um you know, I even
[01:07:50] talk about going back to the future now,
[01:07:53] but uh yeah, it was a little difficult
[01:07:56] junior high, but I was, you know,
[01:07:58] nurtured by my parents. So it was um you
[01:08:00] know
[01:08:01] >> not to linger but on headgear
[01:08:03] >> for those who don't know there were like
[01:08:04] wires that went like around the back of
[01:08:06] your neck on your teeth, right?
[01:08:08] >> Oh yeah. No, this was a a um kind of a
[01:08:11] passage of of adolescence, you know, and
[01:08:14] >> but it's pretty it was extreme
[01:08:15] orthodontra was like it was the
[01:08:16] orthodontic equivalent of like the halo
[01:08:18] you get when you break your neck. It's
[01:08:20] like
[01:08:21] >> Yeah. I mean it it was not um flattering
[01:08:23] but uh
[01:08:24] >> makes a tough man though over time. No.
[01:08:26] >> Sure. Sure. you know, I ultimately
[01:08:28] became an all-American lacrosse player.
[01:08:30] You know, this is like we we had this
[01:08:33] nurturing. I mean, the the guys who ran
[01:08:35] our our school system were the Korean
[01:08:38] War vets. So, um I really credit them in
[01:08:41] this kind of cold war Baltimore
[01:08:44] upbringing where um they were like, you
[01:08:46] know, weak American teenagers. I
[01:08:48] remember my gym coach there in in in
[01:08:50] junior high talking about like, you
[01:08:53] know, we had to do push-ups and we had,
[01:08:55] you know, you know, it was like the
[01:08:57] showering and and going out there and
[01:08:59] playing football and and just kind of
[01:09:01] like stuff nowadays people would be
[01:09:02] like, "No, that doesn't work." But they
[01:09:04] would take wrestling and they'd be like,
[01:09:06] "You and you wrestle now in the in the
[01:09:08] center of the thing." And it was that
[01:09:10] was kind of what we were growing up
[01:09:11] with. But the um my principal there in
[01:09:14] public school was this quiet man um in
[01:09:17] terms of humble a war hero. He literally
[01:09:20] didn't have use of his arm but he was
[01:09:22] Dr. Kadel would say you know he saluted
[01:09:25] excellence. His entire thing was at
[01:09:27] Delaney we do things just a little bit
[01:09:29] better and he'd get on the internet on
[01:09:32] the intercom and basically salute um
[01:09:35] every time a student really excelled. So
[01:09:38] he it was it was merit based. It was all
[01:09:41] about excellence. It was always about
[01:09:43] pushing yourself just a little bit
[01:09:45] harder. And that's what um I came up
[01:09:48] with and and that's the sort of values I
[01:09:51] think that built our country and we need
[01:09:52] them back.
[01:09:53] >> Okay. So but to be fair to Lindsay, if
[01:09:55] you were to ask Lindsay what makes you
[01:09:59] qualified to be a senator, he would say,
[01:10:01] well fundamentally I'm patriotic. I love
[01:10:03] this country. I'm from a patriotic
[01:10:05] family. I believe in the same values
[01:10:06] that founded this country. Like he would
[01:10:08] say the same. I think any politician
[01:10:10] would say the same on certainly in the
[01:10:12] Republican party. But what is it about
[01:10:15] Lindsay that gives you the impression
[01:10:17] he's not telling the truth about that?
[01:10:20] >> Well, look, he has a 32-year record.
[01:10:22] He's actually elected in 1994. So, he
[01:10:24] had
[01:10:25] >> Oh, was he class 94? Wow.
[01:10:26] >> Yeah. He had uh four full terms in the
[01:10:29] House and now he's done four full terms
[01:10:31] in the Senate. And so let's like break
[01:10:34] down his record here. When he came to
[01:10:36] Washington, it was $5 trillion. Now it's
[01:10:39] $ 38 trillion. So his entire time has
[01:10:43] been deficit spending without any regard
[01:10:45] for this death debt. He also, you know,
[01:10:48] he has marked with these endless wars.
[01:10:51] Everything he's supported from, you
[01:10:53] know, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya,
[01:10:58] you name it, he wants to invade it and
[01:11:00] bomb it. Um and then just this last
[01:11:02] couple of weeks obviously Venezuela and
[01:11:05] and Iran before that. So uh this this
[01:11:08] notion of patriotism for him only runs
[01:11:12] towards kinetic fighting abroad for and
[01:11:16] then we have to ask what is the purpose
[01:11:17] of that? Because every time we extend
[01:11:20] ourselves abroad at you know we are
[01:11:22] necessarily diminishing our ability to
[01:11:25] build build this city on the hill back
[01:11:27] home. and and he's never, you know,
[01:11:31] championed any of these things. Like,
[01:11:33] uh,
[01:11:34] >> here I have this life experience where
[01:11:36] my parents were NIH scientists. I like I
[01:11:39] look, I I was at my mother's deathbed
[01:11:41] when she died of cancer, breast cancer
[01:11:43] at 65, you know, and I'll never use the
[01:11:45] term um death throws when you've
[01:11:48] actually seen your mom pass. Uh, but why
[01:11:51] do we still have breast cancer? Why do
[01:11:53] we sell $300 billion dollars to Ukraine?
[01:11:57] Why? why, you know, and I and likewise
[01:11:59] with my dad, like uh great man of modern
[01:12:02] medicine at Hopkins. Um I had to say
[01:12:05] goodbye to dad in the moon suit, you
[01:12:07] know, with CO in in uh February 2021.
[01:12:10] This is right after Trump left office,
[01:12:13] but you know, they were the whole
[01:12:17] uh CO thing was just so ridiculously
[01:12:19] forced on us and we need to get to the
[01:12:22] bottom of that. So, um, but you know, I
[01:12:24] I walked in there on day three and they
[01:12:26] said, "You could say goodbye to your dad
[01:12:28] for like 15 minutes." And then, um, I
[01:12:31] go, "Well, he doesn't really have CO.
[01:12:32] Could you test him?" And, you know, they
[01:12:34] refused to test him. They kept, you
[01:12:36] know, those tests didn't really work
[01:12:37] after fact. And they told us all all
[01:12:39] this transmissibility
[01:12:41] lies. But, uh, you know, that ultimately
[01:12:44] expired seven on day seven. And they're
[01:12:46] like, "Well, you can use a a um, you
[01:12:48] know, a laptop if you want to join him
[01:12:51] or whatever." So, it's, you know, I've
[01:12:52] suffered a lot of this personally where
[01:12:56] I I feel like we need that fire in the
[01:12:58] belly to get up there and use to to um
[01:13:01] use this perch in in Congress, in the
[01:13:04] Senate to really drill down on these
[01:13:06] people and get Americans answers what
[01:13:07] happened. Do you see Lindsay as like an
[01:13:11] effective voice in any of these issues,
[01:13:13] the ones that matter to Americans?
[01:13:15] >> Not at all. No, I think he's quite the
[01:13:17] opposite. He's run interference for the
[01:13:19] deep state. I I like to call him deep
[01:13:21] state Lindsay because if you trace back
[01:13:24] um look if Lindsay had his way there
[01:13:26] never would have been a Trump and and we
[01:13:28] can't be gaslit to forget all this. He
[01:13:31] was the one of the most viferous uh
[01:13:34] attackers on Trump early on. He said
[01:13:36] Trump uh it would be the worst nominee
[01:13:39] in the history of the Republican party.
[01:13:41] If you want to make America great again,
[01:13:42] tell Donald Trump to go to hell. And you
[01:13:45] know, he voted for the CIA stoogge uh
[01:13:49] Evan McMuffin. Evan McMullen. Like he
[01:13:52] didn't even vote for Trump, guys. And
[01:13:53] then what happened?
[01:13:55] >> He voted for Evan McMuffin.
[01:13:57] >> Yes.
[01:13:57] >> Did he admit that?
[01:13:58] >> Yes, he he probably admitted it. You
[01:14:00] know, this is a guy who is
[01:14:03] >> Evan McMuffin was like a literally
[01:14:05] connected to the CIA. And Mindy Finn or
[01:14:07] whoever that woman he ran with.
[01:14:10] >> We can't forget history. I mean, I we
[01:14:12] shouldn't forget CO. We can't forget
[01:14:14] 911, but you can't forget what Lindsey
[01:14:16] Graham's been about. He did not change
[01:14:17] his stripes. This guy is a vehement
[01:14:20] shape-shifting anti-Trumper. Uh in 17
[01:14:24] when we had both houses of Congress and
[01:14:26] the presidency, and remember the the
[01:14:28] seminal promise was to build the wall,
[01:14:31] what did this guy do? Uh he went and
[01:14:34] reinforced that bogus narrative that the
[01:14:36] Russians had hacked the election. He
[01:14:38] literally had subcommittee hearings
[01:14:40] where he said the purpose of this
[01:14:42] hearing is to reinforce uh that the
[01:14:45] Russians had um interfered with the
[01:14:48] election and that had the point of
[01:14:49] carrying water for the Democrats to
[01:14:51] delegitimize Trump. So instead of
[01:14:53] building a wall, which now fast forward
[01:14:56] 10 years later, there's 20 million, you
[01:14:58] know, invaders in this country, this is
[01:15:00] how this guy used his seat in Congress
[01:15:03] to actually delegitimize it to basically
[01:15:06] support Rey. He he voted for Rey. He he
[01:15:09] voted for Comey. Um when the president
[01:15:11] threatened to fire Mueller, he
[01:15:13] threatened the president. And every
[01:15:15] every option that he ever had to do any
[01:15:19] oversight on this kind of spying
[01:15:21] mechanism kind of deep state, he always
[01:15:25] abstained. So uh you know even you see a
[01:15:28] great thing where he was chairman of the
[01:15:30] judiciary committee in uh in 19 and 20
[01:15:35] and Maria Baroma was um asking
[01:15:39] repeatedly when are you going to issue
[01:15:40] subpoenas when are you going to get to
[01:15:42] the bottom of this and he said you know
[01:15:43] I will send a strongly worded letter
[01:15:46] when uh they're wrapped on their
[01:15:49] investigation when
[01:15:51] >> so it never happened and you know this
[01:15:53] is a guy who's basically
[01:15:56] um running interference for the other
[01:15:57] side.
[01:15:58] >> Well, he is.
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[01:17:17] right off North Capitol Street on
[01:17:19] Capitol Hill in Washington. It was right
[01:17:20] across the street from Fox. We eat there
[01:17:22] all great restaurant, great great
[01:17:23] owners, great people. But it's basically
[01:17:25] the Senate dining room. You know,
[01:17:26] they're there every day. And I remember
[01:17:28] walking in for lunch one day and there
[01:17:31] was Lindsay sitting in a booth with
[01:17:33] James Murdoch who was Rubert Murdoch's
[01:17:35] son, very left-wing son, vehemently
[01:17:37] anti-Trump, spent a ton of millions of
[01:17:39] dollars against Trump, you know, huge
[01:17:41] donor of the ADL, like really really a
[01:17:44] dark figure. And there was Lindsay drunk
[01:17:46] by the way, I don't think, you know,
[01:17:49] that uncommon for him to yapping away
[01:17:52] laughing with James Murdoch. And I was
[01:17:54] like, holy smokes. And I work for the
[01:17:55] Murdoch. So like I know who James
[01:17:56] Murdoch is. He hates me. And there's
[01:17:58] Lindsay like clearly plotting with him.
[01:18:00] And then Lindsay sees me and you know
[01:18:02] he's very friendly I will say and he
[01:18:05] comes UP AND HE'S LIKE ALL LIKE
[01:18:07] drunkenly talking to me but like wow
[01:18:09] you're eating with James Murdoch like he
[01:18:12] is the deep stater. There's no question.
[01:18:15] Well I I mean I think when he tried to
[01:18:18] stop Trump the first time and and then
[01:18:21] he was you know beholden to John McCain.
[01:18:23] When John McCain died, that's when he
[01:18:25] flipped and he changed tactics and it
[01:18:27] was like he was going to literally grab
[01:18:29] his golf bag and try to cozy up to the
[01:18:32] president. And he saw 2020 coming. Look,
[01:18:35] the whole state hates Lindsay. I mean,
[01:18:38] he's he's been booed in his own hometown
[01:18:41] for 6 minutes straight. He won't get on
[01:18:43] the stage with President Trump because
[01:18:45] he knows he'll face this booing. They
[01:18:47] literally turned their backs on him. Um,
[01:18:50] but he he knew that everyone in South
[01:18:52] Carolina was rabid Trump and that was
[01:18:54] going to be the only way for him to
[01:18:55] reinvent himself. But
[01:18:57] >> so how does he keep getting reelected?
[01:18:59] >> Well, you know, in in 2020, I think it
[01:19:02] was a fluke. I think it was undercover
[01:19:04] of CO and you know that the point was uh
[01:19:08] that we we had there was no viable
[01:19:11] challenger. There is a machine in South
[01:19:13] Carolina, you know, and I'm running
[01:19:15] against the machine. I've never been
[01:19:17] part of anyone's club and that probably
[01:19:19] goes back to the headgear and the
[01:19:20] glasses but you know I'm an outsider and
[01:19:23] I and I attack um but you know there is
[01:19:27] serious money in involved and you have
[01:19:30] to be donors like Lindsay [laughter]
[01:19:35] >> do they play a role in this?
[01:19:36] >> Uh yes I mean it's it's incredible that
[01:19:39] I'm here to wrestle this Senate seat
[01:19:42] back to the people of South Carolina. So
[01:19:44] the donor shouldn't be totally in charge
[01:19:46] of the country. Is that what you're
[01:19:47] saying?
[01:19:48] >> That's my proposition. Look, I it's
[01:19:50] extraordinary that he got reelected in
[01:19:53] 20. And you know, in short order, he was
[01:19:55] turning his back right on Trump. He
[01:19:57] famously, you know, in on July on
[01:20:00] January 6th, he incredulously said um to
[01:20:04] the Capitol police,
[01:20:06] >> we gave you guns. Why didn't you shoot
[01:20:08] more of those people in the head? This
[01:20:10] is a guy who um you know not with
[01:20:13] >> he gave you guns. Why didn't you shoot
[01:20:15] more pe? And I'm really trying not to be
[01:20:18] vicious or use slurs against Lindsay. He
[01:20:20] certainly used them against me, but I
[01:20:21] want to be I want to be Christian. I
[01:20:24] don't want to do that. But boy, it's
[01:20:25] tempting when you hear that because that
[01:20:27] is so evil. Why didn't you shoot? These
[01:20:29] are Americans.
[01:20:30] >> These are American These are protesters.
[01:20:31] They're exercising their first amendment
[01:20:33] rights.
[01:20:33] >> They're also like the most decent people
[01:20:35] in the country. They're like toading
[01:20:36] their little pocket constitutions. like
[01:20:39] they they believe in our system. They
[01:20:41] believe in the in the order that our
[01:20:42] founders created. And Lindsey Graham
[01:20:44] doesn't and doesn't care. And he's
[01:20:46] calling for their murder.
[01:20:47] >> I mean, he he that's unbelievable to me.
[01:20:50] He's always calling for violence. It's
[01:20:52] it's almost a bizarre um you know, it's
[01:20:56] killing uh at at the top of his mind.
[01:20:59] >> He is. He just did this. I think I don't
[01:21:01] know if it was violence against me. I
[01:21:02] know he was attacking me. That's not why
[01:21:04] I'm doing this. Um, I don't care what he
[01:21:06] thinks of me, but I just He was calling
[01:21:08] for violence. Wasn't he calling for
[01:21:09] violence this past weekend?
[01:21:10] >> Yeah, he was speaking. It's It's
[01:21:12] actually a disqualifying speech. If you
[01:21:14] look at it, it's so unbecoming of the
[01:21:16] United States Senator. And I and I think
[01:21:18] it's it's one for the books, but uh he
[01:21:21] got up there in Las Vegas, the
[01:21:23] Republican Jewish Coalition, and uh he
[01:21:26] definitely seemed to be under the
[01:21:27] influence of something.
[01:21:28] >> Well, he's drunk all the time, it seems
[01:21:30] to me. I have noticed that. Look, I'm
[01:21:32] not calling him an alcoholic. I'm just
[01:21:33] saying as as an alcoholic myself who's
[01:21:35] recovered.
[01:21:36] >> I would say every time I see him he's
[01:21:38] drunk so there's something.
[01:21:40] >> Well, he was feeling his oats and uh he
[01:21:44] got up there and literally said to the
[01:21:45] audience who were you know Jewish in the
[01:21:47] main um and I I I think that this is a
[01:21:50] great slander you know in times terms of
[01:21:53] characterizing your caricatururing your
[01:21:56] audience. He said um about about the
[01:21:59] administration, we are killing all the
[01:22:02] right people and we're cutting your
[01:22:04] taxes.
[01:22:04] >> Killing all the right people. When you
[01:22:06] find yourself I mean he's 70 years old.
[01:22:08] He's have to face the consequences of
[01:22:10] this at some point. The eternal
[01:22:11] consequences if you're bragging about
[01:22:13] killing people.
[01:22:14] >> Well, I think there is a sixth
[01:22:15] commandment against such a thing um the
[01:22:18] instruction from our Lord um many
[01:22:21] millennia ago. But uh you know let's
[01:22:24] break that down to you know it his
[01:22:26] constituent parts as an attorney. I you
[01:22:28] know if I were taking a deposition of
[01:22:30] him under oath I'd say let's let's break
[01:22:32] this sentence down. Okay we are killing.
[01:22:36] Who is the we in this? Okay are we
[01:22:38] talking now about the United States
[01:22:40] government? Are we talking about the
[01:22:43] Ukrainians? Are we talking about the
[01:22:46] government of Israel? Who who is we? and
[01:22:48] then killing, you know, it's like, okay,
[01:22:51] well, are we talking about um bombing
[01:22:54] people or how exactly are we killing
[01:22:56] them off?
[01:22:56] >> Doesn't matter,
[01:22:57] >> you know. And then all the right people
[01:23:00] and then you say to yourself, well, all
[01:23:02] the right people or you mean people on
[01:23:04] the right? Well, Charlie Kirk was just
[01:23:06] killed, you know. um like can you have a
[01:23:09] little bit of space from the man's
[01:23:11] actual wake before you're inoning
[01:23:14] violence? And then he he turns in the
[01:23:16] next sentences to actually threaten
[01:23:18] violence against the right. Now, this is
[01:23:20] a guy who just said shoot people in the
[01:23:22] head on J6 is now saying if someone
[01:23:26] stands for office and critiques Israel,
[01:23:30] we're going to beat their brains in.
[01:23:32] >> He said that. Yes, he said beat beat
[01:23:34] beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat
[01:23:34] beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat
[01:23:34] beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat
[01:23:34] beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat
[01:23:34] beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat
[01:23:34] beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat
[01:23:34] beat beat beat beat beat beat beat beat
[01:23:34] beat beat beat their bra bra bra bra bra
[01:23:34] bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra bra
[01:23:34] bra bra bra bra brains in and then he he
[01:23:36] later on used uh
[01:23:37] >> we're gonna them.
[01:23:39] >> Well, he said cream them as well, which
[01:23:41] is, you know, kind of a unfortunate uh
[01:23:43] term of phrase for him, but uh you know,
[01:23:46] beat their brains in uh and it's just
[01:23:49] like who are you talking about? Like why
[01:23:51] would
[01:23:52] >> he's talking about hurting Americans,
[01:23:55] killing Americans on behalf of another
[01:23:57] country, a foreign power. Okay. So, like
[01:24:01] >> I I don't even know what to say to that.
[01:24:03] If if you're not appalled by that, go
[01:24:04] ahead and vote for him. But where's your
[01:24:07] >> celebrating this whole rant? It's it's
[01:24:09] extraordinary thing. I guess you haven't
[01:24:10] seen it. But then he goes on to say I
[01:24:11] have not seen look both President Trump.
[01:24:13] We we we're all out of bombs. You know,
[01:24:16] we didn't even run out of bombs in World
[01:24:18] War II. It's like um China, if you're
[01:24:20] listening, you sitting United States
[01:24:22] senator just told you that we were all
[01:24:24] out of bombs. And like we know that we
[01:24:26] can't restock all those those um you
[01:24:29] know shoulder fire missiles that they
[01:24:31] take seven to 10 years to build that we
[01:24:33] have no industrial base. But he's
[01:24:35] literally bragging about the fact that
[01:24:37] all of our munitions have been passed to
[01:24:39] defend this eastern border of Ukraine
[01:24:40] for what?
[01:24:41] >> But yet none of this benefited America.
[01:24:43] None of this had anything to do with
[01:24:45] America. It's absurd.
[01:24:46] >> We were invaded while he was in the
[01:24:48] Senate. He said nothing
[01:24:49] >> benefited some people in America. if you
[01:24:52] happen to own defense industrial stocks
[01:24:54] and and you know he's
[01:24:55] >> has he gotten rich in the Senate? I
[01:24:57] haven't even checked.
[01:24:58] >> Well, who who knows that? It's a it's a
[01:25:00] good question to ask though.
[01:25:02] >> But does it matter? He's 70 with no
[01:25:03] kids. So, like why does he care?
[01:25:06] >> Well, you know, I think that the point
[01:25:07] is that he has been supported. This
[01:25:09] Senate seat is kind of wholly owned by a
[01:25:12] foreign interest or kind of defense
[01:25:15] industrial components and and it's so
[01:25:18] far removed. the people of South
[01:25:20] Carolina are are a mere um kind of
[01:25:24] imposition really the voters and it's
[01:25:26] like we will deal with you once every
[01:25:28] six years. We will gaslight you. I'll
[01:25:31] get a couple photos of me behind
[01:25:32] President Trump and you know just kind
[01:25:35] of move along. But you know meanwhile
[01:25:38] South Carolina's 50 out of 50 in roads.
[01:25:41] Okay, people die on our secondary roads.
[01:25:43] the the actual infrastructure is 30
[01:25:46] years behind which roughly maps the time
[01:25:48] this guy's been in Washington he's never
[01:25:50] brought the bacon home he's when if
[01:25:52] unless you think of home is Ukraine or
[01:25:54] some foreign interest but certainly you
[01:25:57] know South Carolina you go off the main
[01:25:59] highways which by the way if anyone's
[01:26:01] driven through on the 95 or on the 20 or
[01:26:04] the 26 they're two line two-lane death
[01:26:06] traps they've never been expanded um now
[01:26:10] they're being beginning to be expanded
[01:26:12] but uh you know, people's roofs are
[01:26:14] falling in. Rural America is decaying.
[01:26:17] Uh, the industry moved out. And this is
[01:26:20] what we get. We get a senator who's
[01:26:22] obsessed with foreign war. You know, I
[01:26:25] think it's half of 1% of of the South
[01:26:29] Carolina population is Jewish. So yes, I
[01:26:32] mean like look, I I reaffirm the right
[01:26:34] for for uh Israel to exist and you know
[01:26:38] and certainly always defending the
[01:26:40] Jewish people in the wake of the
[01:26:41] Holocaust particularly, but I don't
[01:26:44] derive my foreign policy views based on
[01:26:46] my um you know my theological
[01:26:49] understanding of the Bible. I'm America
[01:26:51] first guy. I'm this is the country my my
[01:26:54] family fought for, worked for, died for
[01:26:57] and everyone else did. So this frame
[01:26:59] that a US senator would spend three days
[01:27:02] in Washington and then run off to Kev or
[01:27:05] Kiev as we used to call it and hold
[01:27:07] hands with a foreign dictator who
[01:27:09] suspended elections, who's imprisoned
[01:27:11] the opposition, who shut down the
[01:27:13] >> What about a weirdly hot foreign
[01:27:14] dictator in a tight fitting military
[01:27:16] uniform or a tracksuit? I mean that I'm
[01:27:18] just saying there are mitigating
[01:27:20] circumstances here. kind of a young
[01:27:22] Fidel or like Chay in the Sierra Madre
[01:27:25] 1958, you know, cigar clenched
[01:27:27] resolutely in his teeth. Like there is a
[01:27:29] kind of appeal there. You
[01:27:30] >> Well, maybe that's the Venezuela thing
[01:27:32] can be explained that way. There's a
[01:27:33] little bit of the Latin Ruby.
[01:27:36] >> I actually said to myself, don't be a
[01:27:37] jerk during this interview. But of
[01:27:39] course, I can't I have no self-con.
[01:27:40] Look, I mean,
[01:27:42] his his sexuality his is his own thing,
[01:27:45] but if it's if it's based on kind of his
[01:27:48] psychosexual urge for violence, that's a
[01:27:51] problem.
[01:27:51] >> It Let's just be Let's stop lying. Okay,
[01:27:53] I'm not being mean.
[01:27:55] >> This is a very recognizable phenomenon
[01:27:59] that has reoccurred throughout history
[01:28:01] and it is tied up in your personal life.
[01:28:04] And I'm not not talking about his
[01:28:05] sexuality. just mean the way that you
[01:28:07] live reflects your values and it affects
[01:28:11] your opinions on everything. And so if
[01:28:13] you have children and grandchildren, you
[01:28:15] have by definition a vested interest in
[01:28:18] stability and peace. You're
[01:28:20] instinctively opposed to violence. You
[01:28:22] lie awake as the head of household
[01:28:23] thinking if there's a home invasion,
[01:28:24] what do I do? Like that's how your brain
[01:28:26] works.
[01:28:27] >> Absolutely. You know,
[01:28:27] >> if you don't have that and if you're
[01:28:29] about grinder or whatever the was going
[01:28:32] on here, then you've got a completely
[01:28:34] different
[01:28:35] >> set of values. Like it's just a fact.
[01:28:37] Like I'm sorry that's true. Well, look,
[01:28:39] I mean, Steve Witoff, who's who has
[01:28:42] helped make the piece there that this
[01:28:44] instable piece, but made a piece, he
[01:28:46] tells in his 60 Minutes piece how he
[01:28:49] first found common ground with his
[01:28:52] adversary on the other side was saying
[01:28:53] we belong to an unfortunate club where
[01:28:55] both of our sons have predesceased us.
[01:28:57] And so, it's like he found common ground
[01:29:00] as a dad. But look, I
[01:29:02] >> I just say of Steve Wickoff, who I know
[01:29:03] well,
[01:29:04] >> yeah,
[01:29:04] >> Steve, if you watch Steve Wickoff's
[01:29:07] relationship with his two surviving
[01:29:08] sons,
[01:29:09] >> you see like where Steve Wickoff's
[01:29:12] instincts come from. He's very close to
[01:29:15] his boys. And one of whom I knew well is
[01:29:17] like a like a genuinely great guy. He
[01:29:19] rever his dad. The dad loves the son.
[01:29:22] Like that's that's the goal. And Wickoff
[01:29:25] looks at the world that way. It's like I
[01:29:27] have grandchildren. Like I want I want
[01:29:30] to continue the good things in this
[01:29:32] world. I don't want to blow it up
[01:29:33] tomorrow.
[01:29:34] >> 100%. This is what we need in a
[01:29:37] statesman. We need we need somebody.
[01:29:39] Look, I live these values. I have a
[01:29:41] family. I have a stake in the future.
[01:29:44] I've lived a life. I've lived with a
[01:29:45] woman. You know, I've we've we've
[01:29:48] suffered. We've we've survived. We've
[01:29:50] thrived. And that life experience, you
[01:29:53] know, watching my mom die in front of
[01:29:54] me, going in with the moon suit with my
[01:29:56] dad, you know, seeing kind of the
[01:29:58] setbacks my grandparents felt only to
[01:30:00] see, you know, them to ultimately
[01:30:03] succeed. These are things I every day I
[01:30:05] walk in office on the shoulders of them,
[01:30:07] but I carry that weight, the shared
[01:30:09] sacrifice. And and when you go abroad
[01:30:12] and you're with a culture that has, you
[01:30:14] know, maybe nothing to do with us, I'm
[01:30:16] not looking to convert them. I'm looking
[01:30:18] to find a little bit of humanity, common
[01:30:20] ground. Yes. And that's where you say,
[01:30:22] look,
[01:30:23] >> parents love their children, okay, in
[01:30:25] all cultures. And and that's an
[01:30:28] immediate thing where you can have some
[01:30:29] respect for life, you know. Um, look, he
[01:30:32] is the worst. Lindsey Graham is the
[01:30:34] worst emissary or uh real avatar for any
[01:30:38] of these values whether it be kind of
[01:30:40] peace and and uh the United States
[01:30:43] values or what he's doing now with
[01:30:46] engendering I think anti-semitism he's
[01:30:48] actually making
[01:30:50] worse all these advocates advocates for
[01:30:53] Israel
[01:30:54] I mean from BB to Ted Cruz to Lindsay
[01:30:58] they're all making people hate Israel I
[01:31:00] mean that is a fact as someone who's
[01:31:01] never hated speaking for myself I've
[01:31:03] never hate Israel. I vacationed there.
[01:31:05] But these people are changing in their
[01:31:08] advocacy. Rabbi Buttplug, all of them.
[01:31:11] They're all making people dislike Israel
[01:31:14] big time. Well, I mean, his speech was
[01:31:16] his speech was shameful and it, you
[01:31:18] know, it should be repudiated to call
[01:31:20] for violence the way he did against the
[01:31:22] right a sitting United States senator in
[01:31:25] the wake of Charlie Kirk. It's, you
[01:31:27] know, it it needs the president should
[01:31:29] distance himself from those remarks.
[01:31:31] But, you know, here again, like he
[01:31:34] intrudes into like women's health. Like,
[01:31:36] if there was ever one cohort in the
[01:31:39] United States who should sit this one
[01:31:41] out, it's a 70-year-old wararmonger
[01:31:43] who's never shared a life, as we can
[01:31:45] tell, with a woman. You know, it's like
[01:31:47] the he does more damage than good. And
[01:31:50] uh with respect to those issues for
[01:31:52] life, it's like being pro-life means
[01:31:55] also not killing people. I mean to
[01:31:58] borrow a little bit from the pope but
[01:32:00] like having a sensitivity towards that
[01:32:02] as well and you know
[01:32:04] >> well why because we think human beings
[01:32:05] are the most valuable thing God created
[01:32:07] that's what we believe and if you don't
[01:32:09] believe that you shouldn't be in charge
[01:32:10] of human beings right
[01:32:11] >> well we're committed we are created in
[01:32:13] God's image so every time I look one of
[01:32:16] the great things my parents did was was
[01:32:19] name me after St. Paul, I'm always
[01:32:21] trying to to walk in his in his way that
[01:32:24] instructions. But what a man, you know,
[01:32:26] that we learned,
[01:32:28] >> you know, to have a mutual respect for
[01:32:30] our common man to look at the beauty. If
[01:32:32] you look at a person, you say, "Look,
[01:32:34] you were creating there's something
[01:32:35] amazing about you. It may not be evident
[01:32:38] on the surface, but I know that there's
[01:32:40] something." And you you may have had a
[01:32:41] troubled life, but you can always
[01:32:44] improve. and and to be able to to have
[01:32:46] that kind of fundamental respect. You
[01:32:48] know, I come from a long line of of
[01:32:51] janitors and chambermaids and people did
[01:32:54] the dirty jobs and I never felt I never
[01:32:57] feel like I'm superior to them. I think
[01:32:59] that that's really the mark of
[01:33:01] liberalism, progressive government, is
[01:33:03] that there's a small group of us who
[01:33:05] know better than the rest of the world
[01:33:07] how to
[01:33:08] >> dumb credential from a credential
[01:33:10] factory. No, I couldn't couldn't agree
[01:33:12] more. there's a a real lack of nobility
[01:33:15] among people like that with Lindsey
[01:33:17] Graham. A true lack of nobility and um
[01:33:20] and that's fine and he's going to have
[01:33:22] to answer for that. But to have him in a
[01:33:23] position of leadership particularly in a
[01:33:25] party that you know I voted for don't
[01:33:28] have much option actually this this
[01:33:30] >> not acceptable. Look we look this is a
[01:33:33] postTrump election. This a Senate term
[01:33:35] is 6 years. President Trump, you know,
[01:33:38] the 2028 trolling stuff is funny, but
[01:33:41] like he's he's out of office in in two
[01:33:43] years after this election. He'll be a
[01:33:45] lame [clears throat] duck president the
[01:33:47] day after the election, kind of
[01:33:48] cementing his legacy. And this is where
[01:33:51] does this movement go? All of us who
[01:33:53] fought in the in the early trenches.
[01:33:56] Look, um that that this whole thing
[01:33:59] could just be sucked right back into the
[01:34:00] swamp with this shape shape-shifting
[01:34:03] establishment really neocon
[01:34:06] uh deep state guy, you know, who's who's
[01:34:09] managed to somehow pull in Trump a
[01:34:12] little bit or at least the inner circle
[01:34:14] around Trump. Uh do you think it's
[01:34:16] weird? I'm sorry to jump around, but I'm
[01:34:18] just thinking about you reminded us all
[01:34:21] that Lindsay said on after January 6th,
[01:34:24] we gave you guns, shoot them all.
[01:34:27] >> Of course, none of the protesters had
[01:34:28] guns. Not not a single gun. No guns,
[01:34:30] except for the 200 and something
[01:34:32] undercover FBI agents, all of whom are
[01:34:34] armed, but no actual protester had a
[01:34:37] gun. Lindsey Graham is
[01:34:41] only speaks in Marshall language. Kill
[01:34:43] them, crush them, bomb them. You know,
[01:34:46] he's tough guy, right? He's like some
[01:34:48] reserveist or some fake rank in the
[01:34:50] military and whatever. But he's
[01:34:52] terrified,
[01:34:54] terrified on January 6th. He's like
[01:34:57] afraid of unarmed protesters, half of
[01:35:00] whom are like over 16, have diabetes and
[01:35:02] bad knees. And he's terrified. He cowed.
[01:35:04] I mean, I talked to people, his fellow
[01:35:06] senators who were there. He was scared
[01:35:07] shitless. What is that?
[01:35:10] Well, you know,
[01:35:11] >> the guy who's always calling for
[01:35:12] violence against other people is a
[01:35:14] physical coward.
[01:35:16] >> I think he knows what that 2020 was
[01:35:18] infirm. It was a rigged and stolen
[01:35:20] election and he did nothing really for
[01:35:22] it. He did a lot of pretense. You know,
[01:35:24] this the famous call. Look, I was there.
[01:35:27] Okay. What what Paul Dans has is battle
[01:35:30] scars from every major MAGA battle. I
[01:35:33] was there in 16 in Pennsylvania in Moon
[01:35:36] Township when everyone had walked away
[01:35:38] from the president. They thought he was
[01:35:40] going to lose and um we we pulled out
[01:35:43] the win there. We we brought
[01:35:44] Pennsylvania over the wind column,
[01:35:46] doubled the vote there and the good
[01:35:48] people in Alageney County. Um and you
[01:35:51] know I was there in 20. I went down to
[01:35:53] Georgia. I was at the time I was chief
[01:35:55] of staff at office of personal
[01:35:56] management. We should talk a little bit
[01:35:58] about how project 2025 came to be and
[01:36:00] how I got to serve in in the Trump
[01:36:02] admin. But uh um I had been there again
[01:36:06] in Alageney County um for the day on
[01:36:08] election day and you know we've been
[01:36:10] saying those of us in in the admin I
[01:36:12] think we got this as long as they don't
[01:36:14] steal it from us and thinking you know
[01:36:16] that the RNC and the Trump campaign
[01:36:19] would have taken corrective protective
[01:36:21] measures. Well, um, you know, I was in
[01:36:23] the White House that evening and and PO,
[01:36:27] it's a Presidential Office of Personnel,
[01:36:29] and, uh, we were getting getting excited
[01:36:32] for a period of time there. It seemed
[01:36:33] like we were going to pull this out.
[01:36:34] They actually turned the volume off of
[01:36:36] the TV and put on some music. And then
[01:36:38] ultimately everything slowed down. It's
[01:36:41] clear that something was totally arai.
[01:36:44] And uh, ultimately two days later, I
[01:36:47] would go on on paid leave, leave my
[01:36:49] group. I I basically ran this agency
[01:36:52] called Office of Personal Management and
[01:36:54] uh go down and use my my work as an
[01:36:57] attorney to help out. But I got down to
[01:36:59] Georgia on the Friday morning. Thursday
[01:37:02] night was where they famously started
[01:37:04] counting ballots in Fton County in the
[01:37:06] middle of the night kind of um I decided
[01:37:09] to take my car from DC and just start
[01:37:11] driving and I'd see my wife in South
[01:37:13] Carolina and the kids and pick up some
[01:37:15] clothes and just get get there. So I got
[01:37:17] there by 9:00 in the morning. I kind of
[01:37:18] kicked myself for not flying because who
[01:37:21] would have known that they were counting
[01:37:22] ballots, but the bottom line is uh it we
[01:37:26] were overrun, okay, that that they had
[01:37:28] nothing in place. They knew this was
[01:37:30] coming. And um if you dug in a little
[01:37:33] bit, you could tell that it was almost
[01:37:35] an inside job. Um you know, Ray Ray
[01:37:39] Fisberger, the uh Secretary of State,
[01:37:42] there's something odd with that dude and
[01:37:44] and the guy Gabe Sterling. There's
[01:37:46] something really off. Um, but they had
[01:37:48] to be sure said, you know, this was the
[01:37:50] cleanest election they had fought before
[01:37:52] they had finished counting the ballots.
[01:37:54] So the the secretary of state of Georgia
[01:37:57] was adverse to the president.
[01:37:59] Nonetheless, we got down there, there
[01:38:01] was no infrastructure in place. The
[01:38:03] president didn't even have a law firm
[01:38:05] retained. There was no national law
[01:38:07] firm. And this was this was the whole
[01:38:09] thing. There was a debacle. But I seen
[01:38:11] it with my own eyes. I stood up there.
[01:38:14] People knew what happened in in that
[01:38:16] buckhead. is called that's where the GOP
[01:38:18] headquarters were. Um you know all eyes
[01:38:21] in the whole world had turned to
[01:38:23] Buckhead this one office building where
[01:38:25] I was and um we didn't even have a desk.
[01:38:29] There wasn't even a law firm. I went out
[01:38:31] and bought myself a computer. Sat down
[01:38:33] there and uh it's Saturday of of the
[01:38:37] election. The both Senate seats are now
[01:38:39] underwater. So the US Senate's in the
[01:38:42] balance as well. And uh you know finally
[01:38:45] we're beginning to get some sort of
[01:38:46] ground control where people are now
[01:38:48] reinforcements are coming up from
[01:38:50] Florida the lawyers and we can kind of
[01:38:52] get some command and control and I have
[01:38:55] to go out and get lunch with a guy
[01:38:56] pizza. I come back and the office is
[01:38:58] dark. It's just like everyone left. It's
[01:39:00] like wait a second we're in the middle
[01:39:02] of a presidential election. The thing's
[01:39:04] obviously kind of rigged and stolen. You
[01:39:06] think people are working 24 hours. Like
[01:39:08] I worked in these big law firms in New
[01:39:10] York. You know I worked 18our days. It's
[01:39:12] like we were just humming the whole
[01:39:13] time.
[01:39:13] >> Where was everybody?
[01:39:14] >> The office lights are off. Um they were
[01:39:16] at the Georgia football game. Go dogs.
[01:39:19] Yeah. So
[01:39:20] >> So there there there was like a gut
[01:39:22] level commitment to the cause. It sounds
[01:39:23] like
[01:39:24] >> No, people had left and it was like,
[01:39:26] "What is going on here?" So I I reached
[01:39:29] out to to Johnny Mack at at the White
[01:39:32] House. I said, "We need a field general
[01:39:34] down here. Get me Doug Collins. Get him
[01:39:37] on, you know, and ask the president to
[01:39:38] put Doug in." And sure enough, they, you
[01:39:41] know, the next day, um, people had
[01:39:43] snapped, too. They had gotten the word
[01:39:45] at the White House and everyone had
[01:39:46] walked out. You know, the idea was,
[01:39:48] "We're going to take a breather." Um, I
[01:39:50] think the word had come down from RNC
[01:39:52] headquarters to cut bait on the
[01:39:54] president um in sometime mid Saturday
[01:39:57] morning. They had the famously Trump
[01:39:59] victory had, you know, shifted into
[01:40:01] Senate victory and they cut Trump off.
[01:40:04] And so he thinks people are fighting all
[01:40:06] around the country while people are
[01:40:08] walking out on him in real time. And I'm
[01:40:11] >> there's a reason he hired Rudy Giuliani
[01:40:12] cuz there was no one else left.
[01:40:14] >> Yeah. I mean Paul Dance is standing in
[01:40:16] the balance and and that's where you
[01:40:18] know I'm like what is going on here? um
[01:40:20] that Sunday morning uh finally people
[01:40:24] kind of began to come in and it's I kind
[01:40:26] of liken it to almost like when Christ
[01:40:29] was crucified and who were the people
[01:40:31] who who came first were without fear
[01:40:33] were the women and uh that's where I met
[01:40:36] MTG for the first time Marjorie Taylor
[01:40:38] Green on a Sunday morning in Buckhead
[01:40:41] and she could have been up in Washington
[01:40:43] she had just won she could be measuring
[01:40:44] her her drapes and everything that woman
[01:40:46] wanted to get to the bottom of what just
[01:40:48] happened on Tuesday
[01:40:49] >> that's what she's So it was her, it was
[01:40:50] Cleita, it was Jenny Beth Martin. These
[01:40:52] were the people standing up and and we
[01:40:54] had no infrastructure in place. It was
[01:40:56] basically um they had cut bait on the
[01:40:59] president. So I've been there when
[01:41:01] everybody gave up.
[01:41:02] >> What was Lindsay doing at this point?
[01:41:04] you know, he was making feckless phone
[01:41:07] calls or something. And he ultimately
[01:41:09] had this famous phone call with Ray
[01:41:11] Fusberger, which if you had actually
[01:41:13] been a lawyer, you'd be like, "That's
[01:41:15] the last person you should be getting on
[01:41:17] the phone call uh telling the president
[01:41:19] to get on the phone with because that
[01:41:21] guy's adverse to us. Yes, they're going
[01:41:23] to tape you. You know, they're going to
[01:41:24] try to set you up. Don't you understand
[01:41:26] what went down here?" So it it was
[01:41:29] almost extraordinary um that he
[01:41:31] [clears throat] could kind of pantomime
[01:41:33] that he was doing something on on
[01:41:35] election integrity but
[01:41:36] >> but he was undermining Trump.
[01:41:38] >> Yes. Ultimately he was leading. I think
[01:41:40] that this man's mo is when he couldn't
[01:41:44] frontally attack Trump. He said I'm
[01:41:46] going to infiltrate Trump and then I'm
[01:41:48] going to walk him in down the path of
[01:41:51] danger and like hey Mr. President you
[01:41:54] call up the secretary of state and see
[01:41:56] if he can find some votes. That's a
[01:41:57] great idea, sir. Why didn't you do that?
[01:42:00] And it's like it's like a setup artist
[01:42:02] almost. Um, but you know, for anybody
[01:42:05] with their head screwed on, it was it
[01:42:06] was asking for trouble. And of course,
[01:42:09] you know, then J6 precipitated after
[01:42:12] that. And so by the end of uh of the
[01:42:15] term there, everybody walked away from
[01:42:17] the man. And um, you know, I was there
[01:42:20] January 20th at Joint Base Andrews to
[01:42:24] see President Trump off. So, I have I've
[01:42:26] got So, I just want to replay what what
[01:42:28] he said or just say it out loud
[01:42:32] after January 6. Like Lindsay just
[01:42:35] absolutely abandoned Trump like
[01:42:37] immediately.
[01:42:41] Yeah. He blamed it. He said it'll be a
[01:42:44] major part of the presidency was Trump's
[01:42:45] fault what happened on January 6. And of
[01:42:47] course, now we know with 230 FBI agents
[01:42:50] in the crowd, maybe it's not that
[01:42:51] simple. But we don't know that because
[01:42:53] Lindsay pointed that out. I mean,
[01:42:55] Lindsay could have at any point tried to
[01:42:56] get to the bottom of how many federal
[01:42:58] agents were in the crowd on January 6th.
[01:42:59] Everyone knew that was happening. I said
[01:43:01] it, probably got fired for it, among
[01:43:03] other things, but it was just obvious
[01:43:05] from the very beginning that this was a
[01:43:07] setup.
[01:43:07] >> No, he gave his famous I'm done speech.
[01:43:10] And, you know, the first part of that
[01:43:11] speech is interesting because he knocks
[01:43:13] South Carolina. He he likes to first
[01:43:15] start out by saying my state's often the
[01:43:17] cause of the problem. So, first he
[01:43:19] throws South Carolina under the bus and
[01:43:22] then he basically says he's done with
[01:43:23] Trump and you know the meanwhile those
[01:43:26] of us are like in the engine room like
[01:43:28] my grandfather trying to keep this ship
[01:43:30] going mga keep the US government running
[01:43:33] you know we're in full peak co and you
[01:43:36] know like I say uh to have this guy now
[01:43:40] got full six years in in the Senate got
[01:43:44] everyone to say vote for him. I mean, I
[01:43:46] have my neighbors coming up to me and
[01:43:47] saying, "Paul, should we vote for
[01:43:49] Lindsey Graham? Can you really do that?"
[01:43:50] I mean, that's that's a heinous decision
[01:43:53] when you go into the ballot box in 2020
[01:43:55] and you're and you look at the
[01:43:57] Republican line and it's Lindsey Graham
[01:43:58] and you're a Republican and that's why
[01:44:00] I'm never going to let that happen to me
[01:44:02] again.
[01:44:02] >> No, that's why I'm standing up. But like
[01:44:05] >> cuz it's just all fake. Okay, so this is
[01:44:07] my last series of questions, which is
[01:44:10] like I have I asked around before this
[01:44:12] interview cuz I'm not a political expert
[01:44:14] despite being around it my whole life. I
[01:44:16] don't really understand it that well. I
[01:44:18] don't understand how Lindsey Graham
[01:44:20] could have a shot at re-election. I
[01:44:21] called around, oh no, Lindsay is in good
[01:44:23] shape. I think it's a measure of how
[01:44:24] much money he has. People assume the
[01:44:26] more money you have, the more likely you
[01:44:28] are to win. That's not true. Ask Jeb Ask
[01:44:30] Jeb Bush. But
[01:44:33] he does have institutional support. like
[01:44:36] there there are office holders in South
[01:44:37] Carolina who are endorsing him, right?
[01:44:40] >> Well, not that many. Look, we we are
[01:44:42] going to do this. I want to make clear
[01:44:44] to people. We we announced in in August
[01:44:48] one or July 30th and our numbers have
[01:44:51] already doubled. Ultimately, yes, we
[01:44:53] need to get the financial backing to get
[01:44:55] people, your listeners to get behind
[01:44:57] this. Like if you
[01:44:58] >> you have a year, so we're taping this
[01:44:59] the first Tuesday in November. So you've
[01:45:01] got
[01:45:01] >> June 9th, 2026 is liberation day for
[01:45:05] South Carolina.
[01:45:05] >> June 9th is the primary.
[01:45:07] >> Primary and we are moving up on this
[01:45:10] guy. If the election were held tomorrow,
[01:45:12] we'd be in a runoff. Like South
[01:45:14] Carolina, if you get less than 50%, it's
[01:45:16] an automatic runoff state. There's a
[01:45:18] reason why President Trump is doing his
[01:45:20] first fundraiser for Lindsey Graham.
[01:45:22] Notwithstanding the fact that this man
[01:45:24] has 15 million in the bank.
[01:45:25] >> Where in South Carolina is that
[01:45:27] fundraiser? [laughter]
[01:45:28] >> Correct. It's in It's in Florida,
[01:45:30] interestingly. Yes, they're going to do
[01:45:32] it on a golf course in Florida away from
[01:45:35] uh away from the actual South
[01:45:37] Carolinians. Um look, there we need
[01:45:40] support. I'll be frank. Um but I think
[01:45:42] people bemoone the money that Lindsay
[01:45:45] has and I I know that um I've had
[01:45:48] confidential discussions with people
[01:45:50] saying that various, you know, uh
[01:45:52] interest groups are ready to come in for
[01:45:54] this guy to the tune of tens of millions
[01:45:57] of dollars. Whatever it takes, whatever
[01:45:58] it takes. But um you know, I think I was
[01:46:02] thinking about the parable of of the
[01:46:05] three servants really and that you need
[01:46:08] as Christians, we need to invest our
[01:46:10] money, you know, in in people who are
[01:46:12] going to fight for our values. And
[01:46:13] that's that's where I'd ask po folks out
[01:46:16] here listening like invest in our
[01:46:18] campaign. Get behind us. We are, our
[01:46:21] message is really clicking with both the
[01:46:23] youth, the under 30 people who who they
[01:46:25] need to own a part of America. Not only
[01:46:28] do we need to end these endless wars,
[01:46:30] which I'll do right away, but make this
[01:46:32] life, this American dream affordable
[01:46:35] again for this generation to come let
[01:46:37] them dream of having a family and
[01:46:39] actually be able to do it. And then,
[01:46:41] like I say, get to the bottom of J6, get
[01:46:43] to the bottom of COVID, get to the
[01:46:45] bottom of the Russia hoax, get to the
[01:46:47] bottom of 2020. Let's actually get
[01:46:49] accountability in government from a guy
[01:46:51] who who stood up project 2025 and and
[01:46:54] I've changed the world through that. You
[01:46:57] know that that is the architect of
[01:46:59] project 2025. Yes. And just stop the
[01:47:01] humiliation. You know, South Carolina is
[01:47:03] one of the best states that we have.
[01:47:06] People move there. I have family who
[01:47:07] moved there. People just like South
[01:47:09] Carolina. It's great. It's pretty
[01:47:10] wellrun. Pretty reasonable. Beautiful.
[01:47:12] Of course, the Republican primary is the
[01:47:15] election. A Republican's going to have
[01:47:17] that sentency. We know that. So, it
[01:47:19] should be a great Republican. It
[01:47:20] shouldn't be the worst Republican,
[01:47:22] probably second worst after Ted Cruz
[01:47:23] because at least Lindsay is charming.
[01:47:25] But it shouldn't have the best state
[01:47:28] shouldn't have the worst senator. Like,
[01:47:30] this is a humiliation exercise meant to
[01:47:32] demoralize the rest of us. I really
[01:47:34] think that if you want to honor Charlie
[01:47:36] Kirk's memory, this is the best way to
[01:47:37] do it. Charlie was in South Carolina 3
[01:47:40] weeks before he was killed saying
[01:47:42] exactly that. He said, "South Carolina,
[01:47:45] you need a new senator." and he said
[01:47:48] that, you know, Turning Point Action was
[01:47:49] going to be on the tip of the spear of
[01:47:51] turning out Rhino senators and Lindsey
[01:47:54] Graham.
[01:47:54] >> Well, and I talked about this topic
[01:47:55] quite a bit. Quite a bit until right
[01:47:57] before he died. Yes. And and so I hope
[01:48:00] that people will get behind your
[01:48:02] campaign,
[01:48:04] you know, because I think it's
[01:48:05] important. You're obviously much more
[01:48:08] qualified and much closer to the spirit
[01:48:10] of most Americans, but it's also just so
[01:48:14] important to stop this, just to say no.
[01:48:16] like this is if you don't stop people
[01:48:18] like Lindsey Graham and he can go be on
[01:48:21] the board of Rathon and go to bath
[01:48:22] houses across Eastern Europe, whatever
[01:48:24] his future might hold, probably a lot
[01:48:26] more fun than serving in the Senate, but
[01:48:29] and and get sober. My gosh. But if you
[01:48:33] don't stop this, if you just like allow
[01:48:34] the guy to get reelected to the Senate
[01:48:36] at 71 years old with an anti-American
[01:48:40] platform, that's like a sign to
[01:48:43] everybody else that like, oh yeah, you
[01:48:45] can just piss on America. Like there's
[01:48:47] nothing that people can do about it.
[01:48:49] >> Yeah.
[01:48:50] >> There's no changes possible.
[01:48:51] >> This is the barometer for whether MAGA
[01:48:54] lives or dies.
[01:48:54] >> I totally agree with that.
[01:48:55] >> This is this is really Look, I built
[01:48:57] Project 2025. If you like what President
[01:49:00] Trump's done in these first nine months
[01:49:02] is because I organized a couple thousand
[01:49:05] volunteers under the OP opaces of the
[01:49:07] Heritage Foundation, brought together
[01:49:09] 110 member coalition of the of the right
[01:49:13] and basically made these building
[01:49:15] blocks, these prefabricated policy and
[01:49:17] personnel to go in and hit the ground
[01:49:19] running. And that's why he came out gang
[01:49:21] busters and it allowed him to get this
[01:49:23] head of steam going and get world peace.
[01:49:25] like this is why he's a world beater
[01:49:27] because we actually prepared I was I'm
[01:49:30] the one who was able to use this
[01:49:32] platform and take my MIT training this
[01:49:34] you know I was trained as a city planner
[01:49:37] and then in in the vision of Daniel
[01:49:39] Burnham who's the famous architect who
[01:49:41] did uh did Union Station it was this
[01:49:44] notion of we need to make no little
[01:49:47] plans we we are saving this republic we
[01:49:50] they lack the magic to stir men's hearts
[01:49:54] we have to give them a bold whole vision
[01:49:56] and that's what project 2025 was. It
[01:49:58] allowed the president and now we know so
[01:50:00] much of what he's doing is coming right
[01:50:02] out of that book
[01:50:03] >> for sure though no one wants to admit
[01:50:05] it. Um yeah so how can final question
[01:50:10] how can people who support the program
[01:50:13] you just described and think that it's
[01:50:16] so essential to stop this insanity
[01:50:18] before we have like World War. Um how
[01:50:22] can they support your campaign? Look,
[01:50:24] get get to pauldans.com.
[01:50:27] You know, we obviously love you to
[01:50:29] invest in the campaign. Support us. If
[01:50:31] it's $20 a month, if it's a hundred or,
[01:50:33] you know, everyone get get behind this.
[01:50:36] Like, this is the time you need to
[01:50:37] invest in your country. Um, Lindsay is
[01:50:40] not a South Carolina problem. He's an
[01:50:41] American problem. Definitely.
[01:50:43] >> And all of us have to drive him out.
[01:50:44] There's good patriots all over the
[01:50:46] country. They know what Paul Dans did to
[01:50:48] build project 2025. and they know that
[01:50:50] that is why so much of what Trump's
[01:50:53] doing right now is coming directly from
[01:50:55] our work to you know get behind us on
[01:50:57] the media if if you can't afford it like
[01:50:59] push out our message you know share it
[01:51:02] on Facebook share it on X and and
[01:51:05] prayers finally three prayers we'll take
[01:51:07] prayers um but this is this is all
[01:51:10] within our reach this is going to happen
[01:51:13] and we have a a welling up of support
[01:51:16] particularly the youth they really need
[01:51:18] a future so many People can't even
[01:51:20] envision getting out of their garden or
[01:51:22] apartment or being able to own anything,
[01:51:24] let alone get married and have a family.
[01:51:26] That's that's elemental American dream.
[01:51:29] And that we are sending our kids forward
[01:51:31] into this is outrageous. I I have to
[01:51:35] stand up in this moment of time. Look,
[01:51:36] I'm leaving five kids on this earth one
[01:51:39] day. And [clears throat] um they they
[01:51:41] need the future that was that was their
[01:51:43] birthright. and that everyone who laid
[01:51:46] down and gave that ultimate sacrifice,
[01:51:48] whether they died on a battlefield or
[01:51:50] they died building something or they
[01:51:52] just labored um as anonymous woman, they
[01:51:56] deserve a future in this country and
[01:51:58] that's that's what we have to pass on to
[01:52:00] the kids.
[01:52:01] >> Do you have any billionaire oligarchs
[01:52:02] backing you?
[01:52:04] >> Well, hopefully a few of them are
[01:52:05] listening to this show, [laughter] but
[01:52:07] uh look, I you know, I would say
[01:52:09] >> because Lindsay has that that's one
[01:52:10] thing he's got. Look, uh, what Lindsay
[01:52:13] did,
[01:52:13] >> you made a fortune, I don't know,
[01:52:18] on debt, you know, putting people into
[01:52:20] slavery or like hooking them on gambling
[01:52:22] or something. Uh, you're definitely
[01:52:25] using your billions to support Lindsey
[01:52:27] Graham.
[01:52:28] >> Well, look, this man got us a $ 38
[01:52:30] trillion breaking point. This country is
[01:52:34] in physical fiscal dire straits. If we
[01:52:37] collapse, the whole world goes down with
[01:52:40] us. This is all these foreign adventures
[01:52:43] that this man has led us on in the 32
[01:52:45] years of his his endless war
[01:52:47] cheerleading and the deficit spending.
[01:52:51] Those are coming home to roost and it's
[01:52:53] you know life is tough out there
[01:52:55] notwithstanding what some people in the
[01:52:56] White House are saying. It's expensive.
[01:52:58] Things have not like I go to the grocery
[01:53:00] store every day. You know I fill up and
[01:53:03] and if if it's shocking me what's it
[01:53:06] doing to the people paycheck to
[01:53:07] paycheck? And we have to get real. Like
[01:53:09] today's election day. Let's see what
[01:53:12] happens tonight because the kids and the
[01:53:14] generation, they're moving left because
[01:53:16] the left is actually talking about real
[01:53:19] pocketbook issues. You know, the promise
[01:53:21] here with Trump was to return the
[01:53:23] government to the people and and it's
[01:53:26] time is burning. Like we need not only
[01:53:29] action at the Justice Department and
[01:53:32] getting answers and actually doing
[01:53:33] things, but we need to like actually
[01:53:37] stop spending money on these follyies
[01:53:39] abroad and start building America. Let's
[01:53:41] let's get the the uh country of milk and
[01:53:44] honey flowing here.
[01:53:45] >> You got my vote.
[01:53:46] >> Thank you, [snorts] Tucker. But uh Paul
[01:53:48] Dance, thank you very much.
[01:53:50] >> My pleasure. Thank you, Tucker.
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