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[00:00:00] Uh today we're going to go over all the
[00:00:03] Candace stuff, all the developments in
[00:00:05] Charlie Kirk. Um, there's a whole bunch
[00:00:08] of other people that have added a lot of
[00:00:10] important uh information, leaks,
[00:00:14] digging, and investigation to the story
[00:00:17] that's going to add to
[00:00:20] the picture that's being painted right
[00:00:22] now
[00:00:23] about what's going on with Charlie
[00:00:24] Kirk's assassination, the investigation,
[00:00:27] what's going on with Turning Point USA,
[00:00:29] what's going on with Erica, what's going
[00:00:31] on with Candace,
[00:00:32] what's going on with the internet coming
[00:00:34] after Candace trying uh break it all
[00:00:37] down.
[00:00:38] >> Conspiracy theories are entering a
[00:00:40] danger
[00:00:41] >> information is the oxygen of the
[00:00:43] democracy.
[00:00:44] >> There's so much evidence out there that
[00:00:46] even if less than 1% is true
[00:00:49] that enough to collapse the current
[00:00:52] paradigm and change the whole planet.
[00:00:58] >> Um I've been gone for the last 3 days if
[00:01:00] you didn't hear. So, um, I've been
[00:01:03] watching, but I've also been away not
[00:01:05] commenting on everything and trying to
[00:01:08] keep up with everything cuz a lot has
[00:01:10] happened. And
[00:01:14] on Tuesday when Candace came back,
[00:01:17] there seemed to be a swarm of people
[00:01:20] worried that she'd like sold out all of
[00:01:22] a sudden. Um, that Erica had like made
[00:01:24] her some offer and that she couldn't be
[00:01:27] trusted anymore. And we'll get into my
[00:01:30] reasoning and everything that I think
[00:01:31] about that, but I suspect that that was
[00:01:35] a narrative pushed by Schills that then
[00:01:36] a lot of regular people got swept up in.
[00:01:38] It was a very effective, very effective
[00:01:41] campaign there. And I suspect that that
[00:01:44] is propaganda very carefully crafted to
[00:01:47] try to shake your convictions and your
[00:01:49] questions and then magnified, amplified
[00:01:52] by all of the usual shilly
[00:01:56] influencers.
[00:01:58] Um, you can always tell what's going on
[00:01:59] when you look at the responses from
[00:02:02] various people and how they are paring
[00:02:05] different narratives.
[00:02:08] But when I watched Candace's Tuesday
[00:02:10] stream, her first stream back since
[00:02:12] talking to Erica in private for four and
[00:02:14] a half hours,
[00:02:16] I felt like we had a bunch of new
[00:02:18] information added to the ledger. a bunch
[00:02:21] of very useful data points to add to the
[00:02:25] data set to help all us other
[00:02:27] journalists do our jobs and cross
[00:02:29] reference things and uh get a little bit
[00:02:32] more accountability for what is really
[00:02:35] going on and what TPUSA is saying is
[00:02:37] going on and what various other people
[00:02:39] are saying is going on
[00:02:41] and I'll get into all that. We've got a
[00:02:45] Green Beret sniper with some very wild
[00:02:48] allegations about leaks that he's gotten
[00:02:50] from the CIA about the FBI interfering
[00:02:52] with the investigation and shutting down
[00:02:54] CIA inquiries, shutting down inquiries
[00:02:56] into foreign involvement. We've got some
[00:03:00] great commentary on some of the stuff
[00:03:02] Candace revealed about the bullet
[00:03:03] allegedly um coming from Valhalla VFT.
[00:03:07] We we got a whole bunch of different
[00:03:08] clips. This is going to be a long
[00:03:09] stream. We're going to try to go through
[00:03:10] everything in relatively granular detail
[00:03:13] and watch a bunch of clips, comment on a
[00:03:15] whole bunch of it, and hopefully give
[00:03:17] some context, at least give you my
[00:03:18] perspective. Um, sort of halfway in,
[00:03:20] halfway out, what I see, what I think's
[00:03:22] going on. As always, you should think
[00:03:25] for yourself. You shouldn't trust me.
[00:03:26] You shouldn't trust Candace. You
[00:03:28] definitely shouldn't trust people like
[00:03:29] Tim P or Steven Crowder or Ben Shapiro
[00:03:33] or anyone else. You should think for
[00:03:34] yourself, and you should look at a wide
[00:03:37] variety of sources. You should do your
[00:03:39] own research and you should come to your
[00:03:41] own conclusions and you should always
[00:03:43] keep your mind open uh to other theories
[00:03:46] and to the possibility that there are
[00:03:47] bad actors in the space and
[00:03:51] just you know stay humble and remember
[00:03:53] that this is extremely complex and there
[00:03:55] are multiple layers of games being
[00:03:57] played beneath the scenes here I presume
[00:04:00] and we're very likely looking at some
[00:04:02] sort of government cover up of possibly
[00:04:06] some sort of military assassin
[00:04:08] operation and all of that comes with
[00:04:11] extreme complexity that us as regular
[00:04:14] people as regular citizens have a very
[00:04:16] limited window into.
[00:04:19] And we can judge it based upon
[00:04:20] historical context. We can judge it
[00:04:22] based on who's saying what. You can
[00:04:26] judge it based on research that you do.
[00:04:28] But ultimately, it's a very muddy area
[00:04:32] right now to try to unpack and to try to
[00:04:34] figure out what's going on. But today,
[00:04:37] we're going to try to do our best.
[00:04:41] And
[00:04:43] we'll see what comes of it. Once I'm
[00:04:44] done with all this, I'd be curious to
[00:04:46] hear if you guys agree or disagree, if
[00:04:48] you think I'm crazy, or if you think
[00:04:50] this adds some good context, because I
[00:04:53] think that this week the ball is moving
[00:04:56] way down the field. And Candace has made
[00:04:58] it clear that she's dropping shitloads
[00:05:00] of stuff every day this week because
[00:05:02] she's getting ready to go on break. And
[00:05:04] I think she wants to just I think she's
[00:05:06] just fed up with it. And the the
[00:05:08] propaganda is reaching a fever pitch.
[00:05:10] TPUSA seems to be maximally fearful
[00:05:13] right now. Everything seems to be at a
[00:05:16] very important nexus point, which has a
[00:05:19] lot to do with how Candace is doing what
[00:05:21] she's doing, the way she's doing it, but
[00:05:23] it also has a lot to do with what
[00:05:25] everyone else is doing and what's going
[00:05:26] on. And I expect that this week is going
[00:05:29] to just continue to be wild in this
[00:05:31] investigation. And I expect that the
[00:05:33] Christmas holiday
[00:05:35] is going to not be quite so quiet as one
[00:05:39] might expect.
[00:05:41] So,
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[00:07:18] to be back. Uh, thanks for the hype and
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[00:07:22] Yeah, Twitch did not send a notification
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[00:07:30] fun. That was a good time, but I needed
[00:07:32] to have breakfast and now we're back.
[00:07:35] And we're about to dive in for a long
[00:07:37] time here. We got a lot to cover. But I
[00:07:39] want to start with our boy Lionel. Um,
[00:07:43] I've heard of Lionel before, but I've
[00:07:45] not watched Lionel before. And Lionel's
[00:07:48] hilarious. Um, Lionel seems like such a
[00:07:51] character. And I just thought he had
[00:07:54] some really uh perceptive commentary on
[00:07:57] what's going on with Candace right now.
[00:07:59] I don't have any context on who Lionel
[00:08:01] is or, you know, the bigger picture
[00:08:03] around Lionel. I'm not like endorsing
[00:08:04] everything Lionel's ever done. I don't
[00:08:05] know what he's done. Maybe he's awesome.
[00:08:07] Maybe he's not. But his commentary on
[00:08:09] this, I think, is really astute and
[00:08:11] perspective. So, we're going to open
[00:08:12] with a little clip from Lionel before we
[00:08:14] jump into the meat of the story.
[00:08:17] >> Institutions like like TPUSA don't
[00:08:20] invite people they can safely ignore.
[00:08:22] They invite people whose questions and
[00:08:26] whose inquiry and whose focus are
[00:08:29] spreading faster than the official
[00:08:31] answers and and whose refusal to to back
[00:08:35] down threatens again this thing called
[00:08:38] narrative control.
[00:08:41] Candace Owens walked into that room
[00:08:43] already holding all the leverage, all
[00:08:45] the cards because she didn't need the
[00:08:48] meeting to validate her her inquiry. The
[00:08:53] inquiry was already alive and that
[00:08:56] matters right now extremely critically
[00:08:59] because it sets the entire tone. Erica
[00:09:02] Kirk and Turning Point needed the
[00:09:05] meeting to slow the momentum
[00:09:09] to calm donors and signal some kind of
[00:09:13] order or the semblance of order. And
[00:09:16] Candace needed only clarity. She didn't
[00:09:18] need this. And that imbalance, by the
[00:09:19] way, that decided everything before the
[00:09:22] first question in the first exchange.
[00:09:26] What gives Candace her power
[00:09:30] over anything else is not volume or
[00:09:34] theatrics. It's discipline. She listens.
[00:09:37] She presses. She refuses to confuse
[00:09:40] politeness with truth or access with
[00:09:44] authority. And throughout the entire
[00:09:47] conversation or during this this confab,
[00:09:51] she does something institutions deeply
[00:09:53] resent and fear. She keeps the story
[00:09:57] open. Every time an answer seems to
[00:09:59] resolve one issue, she moves calmly to
[00:10:02] what still remains unresolved,
[00:10:05] to something else that doesn't align.
[00:10:07] She accepts acknowledgements. She
[00:10:11] accepts facts without really allowing
[00:10:13] them to function as absolution.
[00:10:16] Okay, she's very good at this. And she
[00:10:19] distinguishes this thing about susp
[00:10:21] suspicion from certainty.
[00:10:25] you know, without surrendering either.
[00:10:28] That's not recklessness. It's it's
[00:10:30] method. And when these communications
[00:10:33] are admitted,
[00:10:35] it it's it it it doesn't allow the the
[00:10:38] admission to erase bigger questions and
[00:10:41] bigger inconsistencies. Let me just
[00:10:43] explain this to you. This is critical
[00:10:46] stuff, my friends.
[00:10:49] Right? I recommend you watch the whole
[00:10:52] video from Lionel. He's had three recent
[00:10:55] ones that are all really spot-on,
[00:10:58] intellectual, perceptive, breaking open
[00:11:00] the method by which this is all
[00:11:02] happening, as well as the significance
[00:11:04] of certain pieces of evidence and
[00:11:05] events.
[00:11:07] But it's really important to understand
[00:11:10] or to try to understand the position
[00:11:12] that Candace is in right now in order to
[00:11:15] get an appreciation for how she's going
[00:11:19] about this right now because
[00:11:23] she is not like the rest of us. She is
[00:11:26] not in a position like the rest of us.
[00:11:28] Even me who is in this media space with
[00:11:30] a large platform, I'm not even in a
[00:11:33] position anything like her at all. even
[00:11:35] if we had the same size platform, she
[00:11:36] would be in a different position just by
[00:11:38] the virtue of how much of the spotlight
[00:11:41] of this investigation is trained on her.
[00:11:44] And so the method that she goes about
[00:11:47] this inquiry with is extremely delicate.
[00:11:50] And I think that the way that she's
[00:11:52] doing it is just right. As Lionel said,
[00:11:56] she doesn't confuse suspicion with
[00:11:59] certainty. She allows herself the
[00:12:02] journalistic privilege to continue to
[00:12:04] ask questions without needing to without
[00:12:07] erroring into the arena of outright
[00:12:11] accusations that will get her into
[00:12:13] trouble so that she can stay out of
[00:12:16] trouble and continue the reporting. And
[00:12:18] she takes admissions
[00:12:20] statements from someone like Erica or
[00:12:22] Andrew Kulvit or TPUSA, whoever, she
[00:12:25] takes those as just what they are
[00:12:27] factually. they are an admission from
[00:12:29] that person at that time of this thing.
[00:12:32] But that is not the same as final proof
[00:12:37] of the true nature of that statement.
[00:12:39] And so when she comes back from her
[00:12:41] meeting with Erica and just gives you
[00:12:44] the information that Erica told her, I
[00:12:47] think a lot of people interpreted that
[00:12:49] as, "Oh my gosh, Candace just bought
[00:12:52] everything that Erica sold her." That's
[00:12:54] not at all what happened. Candace was
[00:12:58] gifted everything that Erica tried to
[00:13:01] sell her and she took it all for free.
[00:13:03] And then she turned around and gave it
[00:13:06] all back to us to say, "Here's some new
[00:13:09] receipts."
[00:13:10] Not receipts that what Erica says is
[00:13:13] necessarily true, but receipts to say
[00:13:16] that Erica Kirk on Monday, December
[00:13:19] 15th, I think it was, said these things
[00:13:23] as the CEO and representative of Turning
[00:13:26] Point USA. And that is wildly
[00:13:28] significant
[00:13:30] because a lot of it directly
[00:13:32] contradicted past TPUSA statements.
[00:13:36] Some of it opened up whole new avenues
[00:13:40] of questioning and some of it seemed to
[00:13:43] sort of put to rest some things. But
[00:13:46] when you look with subtlety, you realize
[00:13:48] that actually
[00:13:50] it mostly just leaves doors open in
[00:13:54] every direction.
[00:13:57] So,
[00:13:59] let's get on to Candace's Tuesday show
[00:14:03] and watch a couple of those clips and
[00:14:05] we'll go through each one and we'll
[00:14:07] discuss each one
[00:14:09] and then we'll move on to yesterday's
[00:14:11] show where she dropped a bunch of new
[00:14:13] evidence allegedly
[00:14:16] and then we'll get on to other
[00:14:18] corroborations and examinations by other
[00:14:20] expert witnesses.
[00:14:22] some directly relating to Candace and
[00:14:24] some
[00:14:27] in a whole other direction.
[00:14:31] >> This is the entire reason we are doing
[00:14:33] this. We've been looking at the
[00:14:35] situation going, why can't Turning Point
[00:14:37] USA just answer basic questions? And I
[00:14:39] can tell you guys that yesterday for 4
[00:14:42] hours and 30 minutes, there were no
[00:14:44] rules. They said you could say you can
[00:14:46] ask us any question that you want,
[00:14:48] anything that's on your mind, which I
[00:14:49] appreciated. And some of you guys are
[00:14:51] thinking, who is they? Who is they? It's
[00:14:53] the Jews, obviously. Just kidding. It's
[00:14:56] Justin Strife. Justin Strife was in the
[00:14:58] room. Um, it was just Justin Strife and
[00:15:01] Erica. George joined me just for the
[00:15:04] beginning portion of the conversation
[00:15:05] because he had that thing going on that
[00:15:07] I told you on the 15th all day. He was
[00:15:08] in a conference. And then I brought my
[00:15:10] cousin Mia, you know, the one that has a
[00:15:12] really bad attitude. I just bring her
[00:15:13] there for vibes. I think it just
[00:15:15] confuses people. They're like, I don't I
[00:15:16] don't understand what's this person
[00:15:18] doing. totally how Candace is 100%.
[00:15:23] >> Here and the reality is she's like
[00:15:24] always just listening to Cardi B music.
[00:15:26] Uh but she's my cousin and I always have
[00:15:28] her around. And so that was it. She was
[00:15:31] kind of sitting um a little bit away but
[00:15:33] at the table it was just it was really
[00:15:35] just the four of us until George left.
[00:15:37] And I will be honest, I did not know
[00:15:39] what to expect going into the room. I
[00:15:43] did not know. But let's be honest, none
[00:15:46] of us expected Erica to go there and
[00:15:50] then just like
[00:15:52] tell Candace, "Oh, secretly I've thought
[00:15:54] it was Israel all along and here's all
[00:15:57] the evidence and I'm surrounded by
[00:16:00] Israeli operatives and I'm against them
[00:16:02] all. I'm on your team, Candace. Here's
[00:16:04] all the lies, T USA." That was never
[00:16:06] going to happen. That was not what was
[00:16:08] ever going to happen. Even if you are on
[00:16:11] the side of thinking Erica Kirk is
[00:16:13] great, that still was never what was
[00:16:15] going to happen. But if you've been
[00:16:17] paying attention to the reporting about
[00:16:18] Erica Kirk,
[00:16:21] then you pretty damn well knew that that
[00:16:23] was not going to happen, right?
[00:16:26] And Candace knew that, too. And yes, I
[00:16:28] know. How can I skip her iconic intro?
[00:16:30] It was pretty iconic. Dancing to the Jew
[00:16:32] music was pretty funny. if they
[00:16:35] were going to be open. I didn't know
[00:16:36] what Erica's energy was going to be
[00:16:39] like, if it was going to be more of an
[00:16:41] argument, if there was going to be legal
[00:16:44] threats. You guys were telling me not to
[00:16:46] drink water, so I didn't drink water.
[00:16:48] Well, I brought my own water, but I
[00:16:49] didn't drink that water, too. It was a
[00:16:51] lot. There's a lot going on. Okay. And
[00:16:54] the conversation started with just
[00:16:56] >> I sort of suspected there might be legal
[00:16:58] threats. That was sort of my suspicion.
[00:17:00] I I couldn't really square why the hell
[00:17:02] they were asking for this
[00:17:04] meeting in the first place other than
[00:17:06] that they're coming from a position of
[00:17:08] weakness and they were hoping to like
[00:17:09] leverage girl time to
[00:17:12] like I don't know what the they
[00:17:14] thought they were going to accomplish
[00:17:15] here. strife
[00:17:17] very sensibly
[00:17:19] saying, "What are we looking to
[00:17:21] accomplish here?" Like, "What is the
[00:17:23] actual aim of this conversation?" And he
[00:17:27] was pretty clear and Erica was very
[00:17:29] clear that they were sort of most upset
[00:17:32] with what I obviously a bit of a fever
[00:17:34] pitch when I tweeted that it was a
[00:17:37] god-forsaken company and people should
[00:17:40] not give money to it. And I have to own
[00:17:43] that. That's aggressive. That is
[00:17:44] actually aggressive. In the retrospect,
[00:17:46] I was very frustrated. And
[00:17:49] >> I I think what they must have been
[00:17:51] hoping to achieve is they must have been
[00:17:53] under the false assumption that Candace,
[00:17:57] like most people, would be like a normal
[00:17:59] person and sort of cave to the pressure
[00:18:02] and not be so focused and diligent in
[00:18:04] the moment when it like really matters.
[00:18:07] And that then they would sort of be able
[00:18:08] to diffuse her a little bit.
[00:18:13] meaning that they they must not have
[00:18:14] realized the kinds of situations that
[00:18:16] Candace has dealt with, the kinds of
[00:18:18] experience with high-profile people that
[00:18:19] Candace has interviewed and talked to
[00:18:21] and dealt with in the past. Um, this was
[00:18:24] nothing for Candace. She was very used
[00:18:26] to this kind of an inquiry and there was
[00:18:27] no emotional pressure or or intensity
[00:18:30] that was going to stop her from asking
[00:18:32] her questions. Okay, she's been through
[00:18:35] the fire plenty of times and so I'm not
[00:18:38] surprised that this is the report we got
[00:18:39] back about it all.
[00:18:41] >> I don't know. I just I I felt like we
[00:18:42] weren't getting any answers and there
[00:18:43] were so many lies and then I was getting
[00:18:45] attacked for asking all meaningful
[00:18:47] questions that was within their capacity
[00:18:49] to answer and I've told you I I
[00:18:52] definitely my problem in life is that I
[00:18:55] can rise to anger very quickly. Uh I
[00:18:57] shared with them that I really felt like
[00:19:00] I was under attack for telling the truth
[00:19:02] from the very beginning like casually
[00:19:04] when I mentioned the Catholicism thing
[00:19:06] like what was that about? I was like,
[00:19:07] "Look, you can get."
[00:19:08] >> And so there's no point when Candace
[00:19:10] goes into this meeting, there's no point
[00:19:12] for her to go in adversarially.
[00:19:16] That is not the posture that she should
[00:19:17] be taking. That posture only gives TPUSA
[00:19:22] more ammunition, only makes her look
[00:19:23] less like a journalist and more like
[00:19:26] like an angry friend that has a
[00:19:28] vendetta, right? She's a she's a
[00:19:30] journalist doing journalism and it's
[00:19:32] important that she maintains the posture
[00:19:34] of journalism. And the posture of
[00:19:35] journalism is neutral and unbiased,
[00:19:38] receptive to information, but not
[00:19:40] jumping to conclusions, right? She
[00:19:44] should have been recording, but that was
[00:19:45] against the rules. And journalists are
[00:19:46] no strangers to off the record or
[00:19:49] unrecorded or partially record
[00:19:51] conversations. That's very normal for
[00:19:52] Candace. Very normal for anyone. Um, I
[00:19:56] think there's one other little bit of
[00:19:58] intro concept from her second day and
[00:20:00] then we'll get into more clips. So, I've
[00:20:03] kept a lot of cards close to my chest
[00:20:06] and truly it is because I have
[00:20:07] understood throughout this entire
[00:20:08] process that we need to separate the
[00:20:10] wheat from the chaff. Like, of course,
[00:20:12] not every single person is bad at
[00:20:14] Turning Point USA. We don't have every
[00:20:16] single person that's bad that works for
[00:20:18] the FBI or the NSA. There are good guys
[00:20:21] everywhere and there are bad people
[00:20:23] everywhere. So, when somebody's telling
[00:20:24] you everyone's good or everybody's bad,
[00:20:27] you should not you should not believe
[00:20:28] that. Well, get ready, guys. Buckle up.
[00:20:31] Where do we begin? This is what I would
[00:20:34] say. It's clearly a federal disaster. We
[00:20:37] might
[00:20:42] You guys said to watch Jesse on Fire's
[00:20:44] show from today. That looks like a spicy
[00:20:46] thumbnail. I'll check that out later.
[00:20:49] Um,
[00:20:50] but for now, we're going to get into
[00:20:52] some of the things that Candace, some of
[00:20:54] the receipts that Candace brought back
[00:20:56] with her, essentially some of the things
[00:20:58] that Erica said that are on the record
[00:21:00] now, and then some of the,
[00:21:03] um, evidence that she brought to the
[00:21:06] table yesterday,
[00:21:07] >> this portion, uh, because I didn't get
[00:21:09] to watch the interview in its entirety
[00:21:11] and we were pulling clips because a lot
[00:21:12] was coming out very quickly. But there
[00:21:14] was a portion that was going around that
[00:21:15] was viral. And it was Erica saying that
[00:21:18] she had Charlie's phone and that Charlie
[00:21:21] never texted anybody the night before
[00:21:24] saying that he thought that they were
[00:21:26] going to kill him. And that obviously
[00:21:28] reflected poorly on me because I was the
[00:21:31] one who said that he did in fact uh text
[00:21:34] multiple people the night before. And
[00:21:38] then I went on Jimmy Door.
[00:21:40] >> This part is shady. This part
[00:21:42] sounds shady as right? And again,
[00:21:44] it's not Candace's place to call Erica
[00:21:48] Kirk out to her face because partially
[00:21:52] you want to keep Erica talking. You want
[00:21:54] to keep Erica on friendly exchange terms
[00:21:58] so that she'll just keep talking, right?
[00:22:01] One of the most important
[00:22:04] uh strategys is when your enem is making
[00:22:07] a mistake, don't stop them. Stacy is a
[00:22:10] legend. Stacy in the chat gifting a ton
[00:22:12] of subs. Thanks, Stacy.
[00:22:14] And so if Erica is just going to come in
[00:22:16] here and start offering information to
[00:22:17] Candace, Candace doesn't want that to
[00:22:19] stop. Damn. Everybody that just got a
[00:22:21] sub from Stacy, say thank you. 100 subs.
[00:22:26] Stacy, you're a total legend. Really
[00:22:28] appreciate you.
[00:22:31] But the other thing about this exchange
[00:22:34] around the text messages is the context
[00:22:39] of what Erica did and didn't assume what
[00:22:42] she did and didn't look at. See if you
[00:22:44] can pick this up on Friday Jimmy door
[00:22:46] show and I clarified. I said Andrew
[00:22:48] Kovette told me specifically that he was
[00:22:51] one of the people that received this
[00:22:52] text message. So I got that first
[00:22:54] person. I didn't get that from a source.
[00:22:56] I got that directly from Andrew Kovette.
[00:22:58] And then somebody who had access to Dan
[00:23:02] Flood's communications said that Dan
[00:23:05] Flood similarly received a text message.
[00:23:07] They owned that right away and
[00:23:09] explained. Erica said that she has
[00:23:11] Charlie's phone. She's looking at his
[00:23:12] IME messages. And it turns out that he
[00:23:16] like everybody else communicates on
[00:23:18] Signal. He communicates on Telegram. And
[00:23:21] that those commun when she heard me say
[00:23:23] that they then went and looked and yes,
[00:23:25] that what I said was true.
[00:23:29] So, you mean to tell me that Erica has
[00:23:32] lived in this life for years? That she
[00:23:36] was Charlie's wife for years, that she
[00:23:40] founded a international
[00:23:43] charity
[00:23:45] orphanage when she was 17. She was
[00:23:48] collaborating with the military. She's
[00:23:50] been doing all these political things.
[00:23:54] and she had no knowledge of how signal
[00:23:56] and telegram work.
[00:24:00] You mean to tell me that Charlie's wife
[00:24:02] never had any understanding that he used
[00:24:04] signal in Telegram?
[00:24:09] And like if she was just like a ditzy
[00:24:11] like like cute wife that has no sort of
[00:24:15] like masculine qualities, no leadership
[00:24:18] qualities, like if she was someone other
[00:24:21] than Erica Kirk, then maybe I would
[00:24:24] believe that. Maybe she's the kind of
[00:24:26] Christian wife that just like does fully
[00:24:29] female things and stays totally out of
[00:24:31] it and is totally uninvolved and is just
[00:24:33] a sweetheart. But that's not who Erica
[00:24:35] Kirk is at all. That's not the type of
[00:24:38] relationship that we've been led to
[00:24:40] understand that they had. She herself
[00:24:42] came out in the first days and said that
[00:24:44] Charlie told her everything. She knows
[00:24:47] everything. That's a quote from Erica,
[00:24:50] more or less from when she joined the
[00:24:52] Charlie Kirk show days after he was
[00:24:54] killed. She's not a dumb housewife.
[00:24:58] And now she's stepped in as CEO, so she
[00:25:00] damn well better understand encrypted
[00:25:02] messaging apps. And theoretically, she
[00:25:04] would even understand that they aren't
[00:25:05] all that safe after all at this point.
[00:25:10] Yeah, we're going to check out James'
[00:25:12] video about her later. But you know what
[00:25:14] I'm saying is so it's like first the
[00:25:16] excuse is oh I looked at his text
[00:25:19] messages at his Apple SMS messages and I
[00:25:22] didn't see anything like that.
[00:25:26] You mean to say that your husband was
[00:25:28] assassinated under very suspicious
[00:25:30] circumstances and you didn't go and
[00:25:32] check the encrypted messaging apps that
[00:25:34] are right there on his phone until after
[00:25:36] you got called out directly.
[00:25:40] And key phrasing here,
[00:25:44] Candace called out directly that Andrew
[00:25:46] Kulov had received a very specific
[00:25:48] message under the pretext that she had
[00:25:54] substantial knowledge of what the
[00:25:55] wording was and what that was. So there
[00:25:58] is more context around Kovett's message.
[00:26:00] Dan Flood's message, it sounded like
[00:26:02] she'd gotten secondhand and she didn't
[00:26:04] know exactly what the wording was. And
[00:26:06] you notice how the way that Erica
[00:26:09] addressed Kulovit's message and the way
[00:26:10] that Erica addresses Dan's message is
[00:26:12] really different here.
[00:26:13] >> Uh Andrew Kovette received a message the
[00:26:15] night before and Dan Flood received a
[00:26:18] message the night before. Now they asked
[00:26:20] me if I had actually like a concrete a
[00:26:22] copy of what Dan Flood got the night
[00:26:25] before and I said no. Somebody told me
[00:26:27] what it said, which was almost exactly
[00:26:29] what Andrew
[00:26:31] >> I wonder what Erica would have said if
[00:26:34] Candace had
[00:26:36] claimed that she had a copy of Dan's
[00:26:39] message.
[00:26:41] Do you think that if Candace had said,
[00:26:44] "Yes, I have a screenshot of Dan's
[00:26:46] message." Do you think that then Erica
[00:26:48] would have said what comes next?
[00:26:51] >> Which is they're going to kill me.
[00:26:53] Andrew did not know who they were. who
[00:26:54] they that the they that he was referring
[00:26:57] to uh were, but they clarified that the
[00:27:02] message that Dan Flood received said the
[00:27:04] left is going to kill me. So, I can't
[00:27:06] confirm that one way or the other. I
[00:27:07] have to trust them on that because I did
[00:27:09] not see that concrete message. I was
[00:27:11] told that it said they
[00:27:13] right. And maybe it did say the left. I
[00:27:16] don't know.
[00:27:18] But it's interesting that the one that
[00:27:20] said the left is the one that is more
[00:27:22] obscure and likely to never come out.
[00:27:27] Quite the coincidence, right?
[00:27:31] Um, and you notice how Candace framed
[00:27:33] it. She told you what was said and then
[00:27:36] she said, "I can't confirm that either
[00:27:38] way. I just have to trust Erica on that
[00:27:41] translation.
[00:27:43] That's only what Erica said.
[00:27:47] It's all it is.
[00:27:48] That's what Erica said. And now that's
[00:27:51] on the record as what Erica said.
[00:27:54] >> Now, obviously, we discussed the moment
[00:27:58] and I'm
[00:27:59] >> That's the end of that clip. We watched
[00:28:02] this one.
[00:28:04] >> That's fair to clear that up. Now, I did
[00:28:07] not at all recant any of my suspicions,
[00:28:10] and I I understand people disagree with
[00:28:12] me. And did you notice how though all
[00:28:14] the Zio shills were all over Twitter
[00:28:17] like reposting clips of this being like
[00:28:20] Candace walks back all of her positions.
[00:28:23] No, she didn't. She didn't walk back any
[00:28:25] of her positions.
[00:28:27] She very specifically did not walk back
[00:28:29] any of her positions.
[00:28:32] She just reported what Erica said about
[00:28:34] her positions. And in some cases, Erica
[00:28:36] corroborated her positions directly.
[00:28:40] Let's not forget
[00:28:43] that until recently,
[00:28:45] Candace was crazy wrong. Candace needed
[00:28:48] to be institutionalized. Candace's
[00:28:50] husband needed to get control of her and
[00:28:52] shut her up for claiming that Charlie
[00:28:55] had texted the day before that they were
[00:28:57] going to kill him.
[00:28:59] And now we have it straight from
[00:29:00] Charlie's wife that Candace was not
[00:29:02] lying.
[00:29:05] You see how that works?
[00:29:08] holding cards close to your chest while
[00:29:10] you let everyone expose themselves
[00:29:14] >> about particular people at Turning Point
[00:29:16] USA. I communicated what I communicated
[00:29:18] in front of the whole world. I uh my
[00:29:21] skin crawled after I spoke to Terl
[00:29:24] Farnsworth, the person who took the
[00:29:25] cameras down. He lied to me several
[00:29:27] times. I explained to them, which felt
[00:29:29] good to have that direct communication,
[00:29:31] how Tero lied multiple times and that I
[00:29:36] did not understand why he was there that
[00:29:38] day. They echoed what he said. They
[00:29:40] defended what he said that they were
[00:29:42] trying something new that day. That they
[00:29:45] typically live stream, which is what
[00:29:46] Terrell said, they typically live
[00:29:48] stream, and I said every college event.
[00:29:50] Well, they said, well, yeah, they live
[00:29:51] stream the events that are tour stops,
[00:29:54] but they don't live stream like the
[00:29:56] outside. prove me wrong type events and
[00:29:58] that was something that was new and it
[00:29:59] required ter and I said even if that was
[00:30:02] all real if that was all true I still
[00:30:04] didn't feel good about the conversation
[00:30:06] that I had with Terl and I can't ignore
[00:30:07] my gut about the many
[00:30:09] >> remember Terrell Farnsworth lied
[00:30:10] appeared to have lied at least about his
[00:30:14] original intent in taking down taking
[00:30:17] out the SD cards first story we got I
[00:30:19] believe was that he was afraid people
[00:30:22] were going to steal them so he took the
[00:30:25] SD cards but not the cameras, not all
[00:30:27] the expensive equipment,
[00:30:30] multi,000 cameras. He just left those,
[00:30:33] but he took the SD cards.
[00:30:36] Then we got the clarification that no,
[00:30:38] the police told him to do that. But then
[00:30:41] the videos came out that showed the
[00:30:43] timeline of him filming himself,
[00:30:45] clarifying that there was no police
[00:30:46] officer that told him to do anything.
[00:30:48] There was no timeline for that. So then
[00:30:49] the story changed again more recently to
[00:30:52] be, "Oh well, he took the SD cards out
[00:30:55] because he was afraid people would steal
[00:30:57] them and then the police asked him for
[00:31:00] the SD cards later, so he gave them to
[00:31:03] them."
[00:31:05] You see? You see how when you get
[00:31:07] people's statements on the record at the
[00:31:09] moment,
[00:31:12] you trap their lies in later. They get
[00:31:15] trapped in with what they've said
[00:31:16] already. And the this is why you have a
[00:31:18] right to remain silent because anything
[00:31:20] you say can and will be used against
[00:31:22] you.
[00:31:25] And you never know how one thing you
[00:31:27] said, you know, 3 weeks ago is going to
[00:31:30] hem you in when you try to maneuver out
[00:31:33] of your lie later when more evidence
[00:31:35] comes out. Especially when you don't
[00:31:37] know what evidence is already out and
[00:31:39] being held by someone like Candace
[00:31:41] Owens.
[00:31:42] >> Little lies that he told. I thought the
[00:31:44] video he recorded was weird. I know he
[00:31:46] comes from a very powerful family. I
[00:31:47] just I personally do not trust him. And
[00:31:50] >> I don't know about Terrell Farnsworth's
[00:31:51] very powerful family.
[00:31:54] I need to read more into Terrell
[00:31:55] Farnsworth's very powerful family.
[00:31:58] Apparently,
[00:31:59] >> I obviously do not like the fact that I
[00:32:04] said, you know, Tyler Boyer lied about
[00:32:05] this thing and said came up with an
[00:32:07] excuse and said, well, Terrell was asked
[00:32:09] to take the camera down. That's the
[00:32:10] reason he said on Twitter because the
[00:32:13] police wanted him to take it down and
[00:32:14] secure the footage. And I said, "I know
[00:32:15] that's not true." And they said, "Well,
[00:32:17] after all of that, yeah, a after he took
[00:32:21] the cameras down, there was a police
[00:32:22] officer or Fed, whoever it was that
[00:32:23] spoke to him and asked him to secure the
[00:32:25] footage." Well, that makes sense, but
[00:32:27] it's not a reason for why he took it
[00:32:28] down immediately. It makes sense that as
[00:32:30] you're investigating, you're going to
[00:32:31] say, "Who's got the footage? You know,
[00:32:33] let's lock it down." But it didn't make
[00:32:35] sense to me that Tyler Boyer uh lied
[00:32:37] about it. And I don't trust Tyler Boyer.
[00:32:38] And that does not that is never going to
[00:32:41] change. Similarly with Rob McCoy, he may
[00:32:44] >> I am not surprised at all that Candace
[00:32:46] said all this directly to Erica's face.
[00:32:48] Candace is a very direct person and she
[00:32:50] has no qualms about telling it like it
[00:32:53] is the way she sees it to whoever's
[00:32:55] face. She's done it to Trump. She's done
[00:32:58] it to Yay. She's done it to people way
[00:33:00] more intimidating than Erica Kirk.
[00:33:03] >> My skin crawl. I can't explain it. This
[00:33:05] is a I look at him and he's a bad person
[00:33:07] and nobody can make me feel one way or
[00:33:09] the other about that. I was surprised to
[00:33:11] learn uh and this is kind of gets into I
[00:33:14] guess us not knowing the inner workings
[00:33:15] at Turning Point USA that Rob McCoy
[00:33:17] actually does not work with Turning
[00:33:18] Point USA in any capacity. What?
[00:33:22] Right.
[00:33:24] Apparently Rob McCoy doesn't work at
[00:33:26] Turning Point USA in any capacity
[00:33:28] despite them letting him go on claiming
[00:33:31] as such
[00:33:34] more or less
[00:33:36] for months.
[00:33:38] No clarification until they are way out
[00:33:41] on the back foot and need to do
[00:33:42] something
[00:33:49] because everyone that was doing research
[00:33:51] into it, myself included, was turning up
[00:33:53] the fact that Rob McCoy helped found
[00:33:55] Turning Point USA Faith.
[00:33:59] Right.
[00:34:01] I remember doing that research.
[00:34:06] And so where's the shift? Was it that he
[00:34:10] had been involved and then they scrubbed
[00:34:12] all that? Or was it a bunch of just
[00:34:15] false journalism hanging out there on
[00:34:17] the internet?
[00:34:20] Because to me, just my opinion, it looks
[00:34:23] a lot more like Rob McCoy has been
[00:34:26] jettisoned and they have washed their
[00:34:28] hands of that as much as possible and
[00:34:31] claimed that he never worked there under
[00:34:34] any capacity because there's too many
[00:34:36] eyes on Rob McCoy and his operation has
[00:34:40] been exposed.
[00:34:42] That's what that looks like to me.
[00:34:45] I could be wrong, but that's what it
[00:34:47] looks like.
[00:34:50] Yeah. So Nate looked for Mikey and his
[00:34:53] dad on TPS USA's website and they're not
[00:34:55] there.
[00:34:57] Isn't that interesting?
[00:35:00] See, what I'm saying is a lot got done.
[00:35:03] A lot came out of this meeting and a lot
[00:35:05] came out in her Tuesday episode when
[00:35:07] apparently everyone felt betrayed
[00:35:10] >> soever. And so him communicating as he
[00:35:13] has done like I'm the pastor, I'm this,
[00:35:16] I'm that, it's just not real. Like that
[00:35:18] is not real and we should know that
[00:35:21] that's not real. And
[00:35:24] >> but is it
[00:35:26] is real
[00:35:29] because it might be is real
[00:35:33] >> when he says that call him out on that
[00:35:35] separately from Turning Point USA. I was
[00:35:38] operating under the assumption that he
[00:35:39] worked for Turning Point USA and I said
[00:35:41] if obviously that's that's wrong. I I'm
[00:35:43] happy to correct that. But also, what
[00:35:46] were we to assume when he hit the stage
[00:35:49] at memorial and said, "I'm America's
[00:35:51] pastor." And then had the Wikipedia
[00:35:52] updated and said, Well, I'm assuming he
[00:35:54] had it updated because who else would do
[00:35:56] that? That he started Turning Point USA
[00:35:58] Faith,
[00:35:59] >> right?
[00:36:00] It was on his Wikipedia page
[00:36:03] that he helped found TPUSA faith,
[00:36:09] a very suspicious organization with all
[00:36:11] kinds of ties to the new apostolic
[00:36:14] reform movement,
[00:36:16] to Ziklag, to all these Zio donors and
[00:36:21] Zionist Christians infiltrating the
[00:36:23] Christian faith. Yeah, they think we're
[00:36:25] stupid.
[00:36:26] So, I guess to be clear, we we were just
[00:36:30] wrong about that. And I will have a lot
[00:36:33] more to say about And see when she says
[00:36:36] we were wrong about that, what she's
[00:36:37] saying is
[00:36:40] okay,
[00:36:42] whatever you say.
[00:36:44] If you say he never worked there, cool.
[00:36:48] I wonder what Surman's Alley files has
[00:36:51] saved on her hard drive from Rob McCoy.
[00:36:53] I wonder what content Baron Coleman has
[00:36:56] saved on his files about Rob McCoy
[00:36:58] talking about TP USA faith.
[00:37:02] I wonder what past words just got
[00:37:05] trapped in this new reality where Rob
[00:37:07] McCoy never worked for TPUSA under any
[00:37:11] capacity.
[00:37:14] >> Rob McCoy and where I believe he fits
[00:37:16] into a lot of things. So, I'm not
[00:37:18] letting up on that. Now, one piece of
[00:37:21] this where I was I still don't
[00:37:24] understand it.
[00:37:27] >> Oh, yes. Here we go.
[00:37:30] >> One piece of this where I was I still
[00:37:34] don't understand it. And
[00:37:37] the magic bullet. Okay, now we all
[00:37:40] recall what happened. I casually say on
[00:37:42] the show, "Hey, I saw the footage. There
[00:37:45] was no blood." And honestly, when I when
[00:37:47] I said it, I didn't process how big of a
[00:37:49] deal that was with the 30 six very
[00:37:52] quickly. What happens is Andrew Kovette
[00:37:53] whips up this this tweet about the what
[00:37:56] happened with the bullet and he said he
[00:37:58] had he wanted to address all the
[00:38:00] discussion that was being had about the
[00:38:02] online chatter. I'm obviously
[00:38:03] paraphrasing here. He says, "I
[00:38:05] apologize. It's going to get graphic,
[00:38:07] but he spoke with the surgeon. The
[00:38:09] bullet should have gone through. the
[00:38:11] surgeon that explained
[00:38:12] >> I'm going to skip through a bit of her
[00:38:13] reading his tweet
[00:38:15] >> through it likely would have killed
[00:38:17] those standing behind him too. And we
[00:38:20] were just like
[00:38:24] that kind of was like the beginning of
[00:38:27] the WT
[00:38:29] F. That was where a lot of the military
[00:38:32] people that were weirded out by the
[00:38:35] wound, that was where they lost it.
[00:38:38] That's where a lot of conspiracy
[00:38:40] theorists were born cuz that's some
[00:38:45] >> right? I feel like that was kind of the
[00:38:47] beginning of it. And immediately people
[00:38:51] in the comments responded to Andrew and
[00:38:53] he said,
[00:38:56] this individual said, "This post is so
[00:38:57] fake as it would violate HIPPA." Like
[00:39:00] there's patient privacy.
[00:39:01] >> Rest assured, I wouldn't have posted
[00:39:03] without full permission. Quote Andrew
[00:39:06] Kovvet. Now we're being told that that
[00:39:09] was an abject lie at this point. If
[00:39:13] Andrew Kulovit isn't fired,
[00:39:16] I'm confused.
[00:39:19] If Andrew Kulov is not fired and
[00:39:21] investigated, I am confused
[00:39:25] because Andrew Kulov has just completely
[00:39:28] defamed Turning Point USA and he is
[00:39:31] their spokesperson.
[00:39:33] He is supposed to be their PR
[00:39:35] representative.
[00:39:37] and he's now been caught multiple times
[00:39:40] lying on the internet about very
[00:39:43] important things, making up quotations,
[00:39:46] making up information, claiming that he
[00:39:49] has full permission, which would imply
[00:39:50] from Erica as well as the surgeon when
[00:39:54] none of that was true.
[00:39:57] >> Can't just call up the surgeon. And then
[00:39:59] Andrew Covette replies and says, "Rest
[00:40:01] assured, I would not have posted without
[00:40:03] full permission." Now, he said he spoke
[00:40:05] to the surgeon and they confirmed that
[00:40:07] Andrew spoke to the surgeon, but that
[00:40:09] they did not know that he was going to
[00:40:12] write that tweet. He did. They did not
[00:40:13] know that he called up the
[00:40:16] >> Right. Chad just said, "Watch, he won't
[00:40:17] be fired." Exactly.
[00:40:20] Get their statements on the record and
[00:40:24] then watch what they do. And slowly the
[00:40:28] records
[00:40:30] everything that happens.
[00:40:32] And that's the thing about lies is they
[00:40:35] trap you. Lies trap you within them. And
[00:40:39] when everything is this public, when
[00:40:40] you're running a public charity with a
[00:40:43] public-f facing media arm with a
[00:40:45] gigantic public inquiry into your
[00:40:47] actions,
[00:40:50] lies defeat themselves over time. As
[00:40:52] long as you let lies keep lying.
[00:40:56] So, like it very much came across to be
[00:40:58] like Andrew was just flying by the seat
[00:41:02] of his pants. I I I don't I don't know.
[00:41:04] It like he was just flying dark on and I
[00:41:06] was like that seems very strange to me
[00:41:07] because why would a surgeon do that?
[00:41:09] Like the first thing the surgeon should
[00:41:11] say is I can't speak to you.
[00:41:16] The number of things that Kovette has
[00:41:18] done now are crazy. He's also the one
[00:41:22] that called Candace and said, "You and
[00:41:24] Tucker need to lay low. Someone's going
[00:41:26] to try to kill you,
[00:41:29] but never told them who it was."
[00:41:33] He's been out here feeding information,
[00:41:35] leaking information. He's also the one
[00:41:37] that leaked the information about the
[00:41:39] autopsy to Steven Gardner,
[00:41:42] letting out this autopsy information,
[00:41:44] which we'll hear from Nate in a minute,
[00:41:46] totally up the story even more,
[00:41:49] especially now that they've walked their
[00:41:51] story back around to say it was a
[00:41:53] frangible round. And we'll get to Nate
[00:41:54] in a second to explain that.
[00:41:57] >> I don't even know. In theory, Andrew
[00:41:59] wasn't even there when Charlie died. I
[00:42:01] don't even know why the surgeon even
[00:42:02] knows this guy, actually. Maybe he hung
[00:42:05] around after, but you know, Andrew was
[00:42:07] not one of the people that got to the
[00:42:08] hospital or anything like that. So, this
[00:42:09] is this is quite literally the PR guy
[00:42:12] who's calling the surgeon. And so, that
[00:42:15] that just seems
[00:42:18] that just seems very inappropriate for a
[00:42:20] person to do, period. And I would say it
[00:42:22] was kind of the beginning, but that was
[00:42:24] that was what I got from that. Now,
[00:42:26] obviously, we discussed the security. I
[00:42:28] brought up Brian Harpole, this interview
[00:42:31] with Shawn Ryan, and I think we can
[00:42:34] believe Turning Point when they say that
[00:42:36] they did not approve of this. They had
[00:42:38] no idea he was going on Shawn Ryan. I
[00:42:39] think that's pretty clear. I don't
[00:42:41] >> I'm under the impression allegedly I
[00:42:44] believe that Brian Harpull and his
[00:42:46] security team were fired before that
[00:42:48] Shawn Ryan interview ever aired.
[00:42:52] I was given information by a source that
[00:42:56] Harpole was fired after the giant riot
[00:42:59] broke out at I think it was upen if I
[00:43:03] remember correctly like two or three
[00:43:05] days before that interview
[00:43:07] and Harpole didn't mention anything
[00:43:09] about that in the interview. he
[00:43:10] represented himself as though he was
[00:43:12] TPUSA's guy. And I don't have
[00:43:15] confirmation on whether that's true or
[00:43:16] not,
[00:43:19] but that would line up with like Erica
[00:43:21] saying, "We had no idea he was doing
[00:43:22] that interview." Yeah, there was like a
[00:43:25] huge riot outside of a Te USA event. It
[00:43:27] got super gnarly. There was blood drawn,
[00:43:30] protesters, all sorts of stuff. It was
[00:43:32] crazy.
[00:43:34] >> If he works there anymore, so
[00:43:36] >> Oh, no. It was Berkeley. It was UC
[00:43:38] Berkeley, I'm pretty sure. kind of him
[00:43:41] just getting out there and perhaps
[00:43:43] trying to rescue his own reputation. And
[00:43:46] I think that that only made his
[00:43:47] reputation worse actually because people
[00:43:50] rightfully sensed that he wasn't telling
[00:43:51] the truth in that interview, that he was
[00:43:53] being cy, that he was saying things that
[00:43:54] didn't make any sense.
[00:43:57] This is the UC Berkeley event I'm
[00:43:59] referring to. Violence breaks out at a
[00:44:01] Turning Point USA event on UC Berkeley
[00:44:03] campus.
[00:44:10] Um, September 10th. No, that was when
[00:44:14] Yeah, duh. That's Charlie being killed.
[00:44:16] Uh,
[00:44:18] Monday, November 10th.
[00:44:25] Again, you constantly have these people
[00:44:27] that believe like Brian Harple that with
[00:44:29] enough performance, he can sit down and
[00:44:31] you're just going to convince people
[00:44:32] that this is real. And this is just a
[00:44:34] different time. Like I said, these Tik
[00:44:36] Tockers are out of control. They will
[00:44:38] check you in four seconds. Okay.
[00:44:41] Things that the biggest piece of this
[00:44:44] that I want to communicate and that I
[00:44:45] did communicate to them and I hope that
[00:44:47] they took me um seriously on this or
[00:44:50] that rather that they that they take my
[00:44:51] strong advice on this.
[00:44:54] >> Yeah. So, the Shawn Ryan interview aired
[00:44:57] on November 17th,
[00:45:01] and I got intel at the time from a
[00:45:04] source inside
[00:45:07] claiming that Brian Harple had been
[00:45:08] fired in the week leading up to this
[00:45:10] interview,
[00:45:12] possibly in direct response to this
[00:45:16] absolute disaster at UC Berkeley, but
[00:45:19] probably in a bigger picture than that.
[00:45:22] It's hard to say. I don't know if that's
[00:45:24] true or not. That's allegedly. But
[00:45:26] that's what I was told.
[00:45:30] >> I said one of the reasons why I really
[00:45:33] want to sit down is because I want to
[00:45:34] walk out of here and feel confident
[00:45:38] saying to my audience, "Hey, like
[00:45:41] there's stuff going on behind the
[00:45:42] scenes, but Tyler Robinson
[00:45:45] shot Charlie Kirk."
[00:45:46] >> I think this part probably got
[00:45:48] misconstrued a lot. probably not by
[00:45:50] actual viewers because actual viewers
[00:45:52] aren't
[00:45:54] but I could see how you could clip this
[00:45:56] and try to make it look that way. But
[00:45:59] what she's saying here is the
[00:46:01] journalistic stance of I'm not trying to
[00:46:04] create a conspiracy theory. I'm just
[00:46:06] trying to report on the facts. I would
[00:46:08] love it if the facts aligned with the
[00:46:11] narrative that the feds are pushing
[00:46:12] because that's the world we all want to
[00:46:14] live in where the feds are not lying to
[00:46:15] us every day. But we know that's
[00:46:18] not the world we live in. And so she's
[00:46:20] saying it would be great if that was the
[00:46:21] way it is. But that's not the way it is.
[00:46:23] So
[00:46:25] like that more will come out, but you
[00:46:28] can take it from me that this is what
[00:46:30] happened. I was looking to achieve that
[00:46:32] because there's been a lot of signaling
[00:46:34] from various people, some people who are
[00:46:35] experts, uh some people who have been
[00:46:38] involved in cases that there's obviously
[00:46:40] going to be stuff that the public does
[00:46:43] not have access to. And so it is at
[00:46:46] least plausible that they have seen very
[00:46:51] clear footage that we've been asking for
[00:46:53] of Tyler Robinson getting up there and
[00:46:55] taking the shot. Like they have access
[00:46:57] to UVU cameras. So I was hoping to hear
[00:47:00] that. And
[00:47:01] >> we know that UVU cameras have footage of
[00:47:04] that shooter of whoever that person was
[00:47:06] on the roof. They have footage of
[00:47:08] whatever happened on that roof the whole
[00:47:10] roof the whole time. There's no reason
[00:47:13] why that camera should have not captured
[00:47:16] the shot. So, it's reasonable for
[00:47:18] Candace to assume that TP USA might have
[00:47:21] seen the shot.
[00:47:23] That is not the case. Apparently,
[00:47:25] >> I said that I want to hear why people
[00:47:28] feel so confident at Turning Point USA
[00:47:29] that Tyler Robinson is the guy. And at
[00:47:32] this point, they elected to call the
[00:47:35] lawyer. Like,
[00:47:36] >> and the lawyer should have told them to
[00:47:37] shut the up and move on to the next
[00:47:39] question. Honestly, the lawyers should
[00:47:41] not have let them say what they said
[00:47:42] next.
[00:47:43] >> You know, their their lawyer who is
[00:47:46] involved in this case, one of the
[00:47:47] lawyers that was involved in this case,
[00:47:48] there's always a team of lawyers,
[00:47:49] especially for something like this. And
[00:47:51] what I got from the lawyer
[00:47:54] did not make me feel that Tyler Robinson
[00:47:55] shot Charlie Kirk. It did not make me
[00:47:57] feel confident that Charlie that he
[00:47:58] didn't or did shoot uh Charlie Kirk. I
[00:48:01] was very surprised by this. He spoke a
[00:48:03] very long time. I asked, you know, can
[00:48:04] you share with me what it is? And I
[00:48:06] said, "When you share this with me, I
[00:48:07] will not say what that thing is if
[00:48:09] that's what if we want to protect the
[00:48:10] integrity of the case. I'm not going to
[00:48:12] if you say we've got the footage of him
[00:48:13] taking a shot, I'm I promise I won't say
[00:48:15] that to the audience."
[00:48:16] >> And that's standard practice for a
[00:48:18] journalist is there are lots of
[00:48:19] conversations that happen off the
[00:48:21] record. And you have to preserve that.
[00:48:23] You have to respect on off the record.
[00:48:26] Even if it's the most important
[00:48:28] bombshell of your life, even if it's the
[00:48:30] most deep, gnarly source of your life,
[00:48:33] Candace has to protect her sources. Even
[00:48:35] if that source is TPUSA's lawyer, Erica
[00:48:38] Kirk herself, but she wouldn't come out
[00:48:40] and say this. This is not her lying
[00:48:43] about what happened. This is her telling
[00:48:45] you the truth that they didn't try to
[00:48:48] force her to keep it off the record
[00:48:49] because there wasn't anything there
[00:48:51] >> to them that you have something that is
[00:48:52] solid. And no to to the exact contrary
[00:48:56] this guy effectively said not
[00:49:00] effectively he said that they have
[00:49:02] nothing like but the affidavit. Okay. So
[00:49:07] what you have what we have seen is what
[00:49:08] they have what people what is being
[00:49:10] discussed publicly. You are this whole
[00:49:11] like non-expert problem where like what
[00:49:13] you don't know it's like what you read
[00:49:15] his messages that don't have any dates
[00:49:18] on it. Tyler Robinson writing out
[00:49:20] everything and the clean alibi. That's
[00:49:22] what they have. And what he explained to
[00:49:24] me was that that's the affidavit stage.
[00:49:26] That's where that's where it's at.
[00:49:30] Now, like, is there a world where they
[00:49:32] have more and they're keeping it secret
[00:49:34] from Candace and they lied to her?
[00:49:36] Maybe.
[00:49:39] But as a journalist, she's perfectly
[00:49:41] protected now to claim that because they
[00:49:43] told her that directly. It's not
[00:49:45] Candace's fault that they lied to her.
[00:49:47] So, it's not like they're going to trap
[00:49:48] Candace in some legal issue because
[00:49:50] she's now going to operate on that
[00:49:52] assumption. They told her that like this
[00:49:55] is what we've got. And if that's all
[00:49:57] they've got, that's crazy, dude,
[00:50:02] that they are that certain that they're
[00:50:05] running this PR, that they're running
[00:50:07] this media
[00:50:08] off of just the public information.
[00:50:12] And they're letting Andrew Kovich come
[00:50:13] out and lie about the affidavit. Well,
[00:50:16] lie about the autopsy, allegedly
[00:50:19] lie about the bullet, lie about the
[00:50:21] surgeon, lie about all sorts of parts of
[00:50:24] TPUSA. They're letting Rob McCoy lie
[00:50:27] about TPUSA all day long.
[00:50:30] And they don't have any extra evidence
[00:50:33] to make them feel certain that it's
[00:50:34] Tyler Robinson.
[00:50:39] And how does that make you feel about
[00:50:40] Erica Kirk?
[00:50:44] Because in my opinion, just my opinion,
[00:50:49] that's not a very smart lady.
[00:50:52] If you see this evidence in your
[00:50:54] husband's assassination investigation
[00:50:59] and you feel so confident based on this
[00:51:01] evidence that it's a closed case and
[00:51:04] that you're not going to ask for any
[00:51:05] more investigation, not to mention,
[00:51:07] you're going to actually go out and com
[00:51:09] and engage in propaganda
[00:51:11] for this investigation.
[00:51:14] That's a not smart lady.
[00:51:18] Or it's something else,
[00:51:22] right?
[00:51:26] I mean, I pray to God that I never marry
[00:51:28] a woman like that.
[00:51:32] That's all I'll say.
[00:51:35] If I'm ever assassinated
[00:51:37] in the future, I pray to God that I've
[00:51:40] married a woman that is smarter than
[00:51:42] that.
[00:51:45] And then what takes place now is the
[00:51:47] investigation is ongoing, right? So
[00:51:49] right now they're looking for more
[00:51:50] information and once investigators uh
[00:51:54] they could very well have obviously
[00:51:56] footage and that is why they might feel
[00:51:59] uh that oh we're definitely going to get
[00:52:00] this prosecution. But the reality is is
[00:52:02] they don't actually share that
[00:52:03] information with the victim. They don't
[00:52:06] share that information with Erica. They
[00:52:08] don't in this part of the process. They
[00:52:10] will not know what in investigators have
[00:52:12] discovered. This is what the lawyer told
[00:52:13] me until May.
[00:52:16] >> And yes, we will get to Erica's
[00:52:19] backstory a little bit more. We're going
[00:52:20] to watch some of James Lee's reporting
[00:52:21] on that in just a minute.
[00:52:23] >> Okay. They will not they have not seen
[00:52:25] anything that you have not seen is what
[00:52:27] I want you to know. So, with that in
[00:52:30] mind, I'm sitting here going, why are
[00:52:33] you signaling? Why are why do I feel
[00:52:34] like the public's being gaslit on this?
[00:52:36] There's been nothing that's convincing.
[00:52:38] There are so many commentators who have
[00:52:39] gone out and said to you, "It's
[00:52:40] overwhelming. The evidence is
[00:52:42] overwhelming." The text messages that
[00:52:45] don't have a date, that don't even sound
[00:52:46] real, that's overwhelming. That to me
[00:52:50] feels really fake and gay. I really do
[00:52:52] want to say that to every commentator
[00:52:54] that is out there trying to tell the
[00:52:57] public and insisting that if you say it
[00:52:58] enough times, it'll become real. You're
[00:53:00] you're actually just being dishonest.
[00:53:02] And I offered that a more honest way to
[00:53:05] communicate would be to say we think
[00:53:07] he's involved. We feel strongly. I've
[00:53:09] said that I think he's involved. We are
[00:53:11] very hopeful that throughout this invest
[00:53:14] >> same he's probably involved.
[00:53:18] >> The question is how.
[00:53:20] >> The question is who else?
[00:53:23] The question is if it was a frangible
[00:53:25] round, how do you get it? How do you
[00:53:27] even know to use one? And we'll look at
[00:53:29] Nate's stuff in a minute about that.
[00:53:31] ation. We are going to get that concrete
[00:53:32] thing and that's where we're at right
[00:53:35] now. That's just the stage that we are
[00:53:37] at. That is not what we are getting from
[00:53:39] them. That is like I just I just feel
[00:53:42] like that's really important to let you
[00:53:43] guys know. Let the gaslighting stop.
[00:53:45] They have what you have. Okay? There is
[00:53:47] nothing else. They are in an
[00:53:48] investigative stage. Erica has been
[00:53:50] named as the victim. They will know more
[00:53:52] in this May hearing which is the
[00:53:54] probable cause hearing. That's what the
[00:53:56] lawyer told me. It's probable cause
[00:53:57] hearing. And that's when they will see
[00:53:59] the evidence. That's when they get to
[00:54:00] present the evidence why they are going
[00:54:02] to stand there before the judge and be
[00:54:03] like, "Yeah,
[00:54:04] >> someone in chat just said, "I semi feel
[00:54:06] the next next stage is a groer attack."
[00:54:09] Oh, it is. And it's already happening.
[00:54:15] Maybe that's just Nick's hate.
[00:54:17] Maybe that's just Nick's vindictive
[00:54:19] hatred.
[00:54:23] We need to move this forward. It's not
[00:54:24] just an affidavit. We're not pulling
[00:54:26] together scraps. We have concrete
[00:54:27] evidence. Until then, okay, until we all
[00:54:30] get on the same page and understand what
[00:54:31] else they have, I am very confident
[00:54:34] stating the opposite of all of my, I
[00:54:36] guess, well- paid peers in that I don't
[00:54:38] believe that Tyler Robinson pulled the
[00:54:40] trigger,
[00:54:42] which is I'm the only your lawyers or
[00:54:45] the investigators rather, not their
[00:54:46] lawyers because they're not the ones
[00:54:47] investigating. It's the state of Utah
[00:54:48] that's investigating. They have not
[00:54:51] called the one solitary person, as I
[00:54:55] told you guys, who filmed as he was uh
[00:54:58] on the roof. Remember the guy that's
[00:54:59] like, "Oh, there's somebody on the
[00:55:01] roof." And he sees him crouched down. I
[00:55:04] said, "I spoke to that person." And his
[00:55:06] testimony would be devastating to your
[00:55:09] prosecution. He did not He saw the
[00:55:11] person on the roof. He filmed the person
[00:55:12] on the roof at 12:23 p.m. And he did not
[00:55:15] see that person take the shot. And this
[00:55:16] is not some random student. This is a
[00:55:18] guy who trains people to shoot guns at a
[00:55:21] range. He knows guns. Okay. He saw uh he
[00:55:24] said what he saw was a smaller gun. He
[00:55:27] said that this person uh was dressed in
[00:55:30] black tactical gear and there was no
[00:55:31] recoil,
[00:55:34] right?
[00:55:37] I mean, there's so many pieces to that.
[00:55:40] They haven't contacted him. Who was he
[00:55:43] in the first place?
[00:55:46] pretty convenient that he's the one that
[00:55:48] saw the guy, but then he
[00:55:51] his testimony doesn't line up at all
[00:55:53] with what we're being told now. Not at
[00:55:57] all.
[00:55:59] And Candace points out that like you
[00:56:01] should speak to him because he will blow
[00:56:02] your case apart. He's like the exact
[00:56:04] kind of witness that the other team
[00:56:07] should go and look into. Although
[00:56:09] apparently they haven't, which is also
[00:56:11] kind of weird. That's devastating to
[00:56:14] that would be devastating to the
[00:56:16] prosecution.
[00:56:20] Another really big thing that happened
[00:56:23] was
[00:56:25] they brought me Mikey's call locks.
[00:56:27] Okay, they brought me Mikey's call logs.
[00:56:29] And that is why I said this was a
[00:56:31] productive meeting. There is no other
[00:56:32] way to say it. I asked every question
[00:56:34] and they came with paperwork to show and
[00:56:37] to answer and to explain certain things
[00:56:40] also which was I thought actually kind
[00:56:42] of sweet that I guess I'm you know I did
[00:56:44] on the previous show I was like kind of
[00:56:46] looking at things into Mikey and I
[00:56:47] couldn't find him. Uh and someone said I
[00:56:50] think Mikey's not his like real name
[00:56:52] like they thought it was his middle name
[00:56:54] actually and I just assumed okay well
[00:56:56] maybe he's using his middle name and
[00:56:57] that's why I can't find him but Mikey
[00:56:59] really wants you guys to know that is
[00:57:00] his real name and it is his real name. I
[00:57:02] found out shortly thereafter that they
[00:57:03] were uh confusing his middle name with
[00:57:06] they they thought it was switched that
[00:57:08] Michael is his real name. Just to
[00:57:09] clarify that because I realized I
[00:57:10] actually didn't go back and clarify
[00:57:12] that. Uh but Mikey's callogs big piece
[00:57:15] of this. Okay.
[00:57:18] I'm going to I guess jog your memory on
[00:57:20] what Blake said about Mikey that day and
[00:57:24] then I'll tell you what actually
[00:57:25] happened because I don't think Blake has
[00:57:28] that great of a memory. Okay, take a
[00:57:30] listen.
[00:57:31] chat. I don't know if you guys think
[00:57:33] that it's even possible that Blake could
[00:57:34] have this bad of a memory.
[00:57:37] To me, this seems like I mean, a Are we
[00:57:39] going to trust the call logs?
[00:57:42] I don't know. But it's on the record
[00:57:44] now.
[00:57:46] It's on the record.
[00:57:51] And they put his wife on the call log.
[00:57:53] His wife was on the call logs. His
[00:57:55] cooperation of everything.
[00:57:58] starting to wonder about all these
[00:57:59] wives.
[00:58:03] >> But they threw Blake under the
[00:58:05] >> I was not with Mikey immed or I don't
[00:58:07] remember being with him. I think I was
[00:58:08] ahead of him as we left. And then we get
[00:58:10] out and I run for must have can't have
[00:58:13] been more than 15 or 20 seconds. And
[00:58:16] then I realize there hasn't been another
[00:58:17] shot. So the shooter has likely been
[00:58:19] detained or stopped or something. Not in
[00:58:21] immediate danger. I pause. I look around
[00:58:24] me and I see Mikey. And I see Mikey
[00:58:26] there. And I'll never truthfully I will
[00:58:28] never forget what I saw because I've
[00:58:30] seen Mikey almost every day for the past
[00:58:32] two years. Uh I know his personality
[00:58:35] very well. He's a very bubble and then
[00:58:37] he says I I need to call Erica and he
[00:58:41] then he takes his phone and he begins
[00:58:43] calling Erica and I don't want to
[00:58:46] disclose how that call unfolded but he
[00:58:48] did that this you know your mind extends
[00:58:51] all of this but that is happening within
[00:58:53] a minute of all of this occurring. I
[00:58:55] remember he calls Erica. I
[00:58:58] >> someone in chat's writing like how
[00:58:59] everyone's a fed. Um I don't know if you
[00:59:01] guys know who Zeb Boyin is. He's an
[00:59:03] ballistic instructor that did some of
[00:59:04] the reporting early on in Charlie Kirk
[00:59:06] about the ballistics and he had this
[00:59:08] hilarious live stream about how
[00:59:10] everyone's a fed and he was quantifying
[00:59:12] everyone's fedness. It was the funniest
[00:59:14] thing ever. I was like, "Dude, where am
[00:59:15] I at? Where am I at?" He's like puts me
[00:59:17] on. He's like Ian's like a a lowercase
[00:59:19] fed. He's like up here. and he was just
[00:59:21] like based upon your audience that you
[00:59:23] capture and your your affiliation with
[00:59:25] various parties and like how controlled
[00:59:27] your narrative is. It was hilarious. Um
[00:59:30] and it was a great it was a great uh
[00:59:33] explanation of the nuances of controlled
[00:59:36] media spaces and of the new media
[00:59:37] environment and just how you have to
[00:59:39] operate mentally. um and sort of have a
[00:59:41] little bit of suspicion about everyone
[00:59:42] while also kind of taking the piss out
[00:59:44] of it and just making making it a bit of
[00:59:45] a joke too because in a way it's like
[00:59:50] you can't take it too seriously because
[00:59:51] you'll never really know. Um
[00:59:53] unfortunately in this media environment
[00:59:55] and so you shouldn't trust anyone and
[00:59:57] you should just think very carefully.
[00:59:59] Yeah, the fed a meter. It was a funny
[01:00:01] episode.
[01:00:02] >> Around the same time I pull out my phone
[01:00:04] and I call my mom just to say, "Mom,
[01:00:06] there's been a shooting. You're going to
[01:00:08] see it on the news. I'm okay." you know,
[01:00:10] pray for me. I've got to go. And I
[01:00:11] remember that call and around the time I
[01:00:14] I put that phone away and then he
[01:00:16] immediately calls his dad. He calls
[01:00:17] Robin McCoy and he says, "Dad, someone
[01:00:21] shot Charlie. You need to call all of
[01:00:22] your pastor friends. Charlie was hit. We
[01:00:25] need everyone to pray right now." And
[01:00:28] that's what he told him.
[01:00:31] >> Okay. So, that's just not right. And so
[01:00:33] when he says I might be imagining this
[01:00:35] for I'll never forget followed by I
[01:00:37] might be imagining this probably means
[01:00:39] that maybe you forgot and like you
[01:00:41] really could be imagining. Now, for me
[01:00:42] personally,
[01:00:44] I think the normal physiological
[01:00:46] response in these high adrenaline
[01:00:47] situations for most people is you lock
[01:00:49] in that they're literally your body.
[01:00:51] >> Not Blake
[01:00:51] >> Erica. He was we were told this by many
[01:00:55] people also that he was he trained like
[01:00:57] like he almost like went to a camp and
[01:01:00] trained and Charlie was like one three
[01:01:02] go and like fast one go. That's why he
[01:01:04] walked away and just told him this is
[01:01:07] the first thing you do is
[01:01:07] >> Blake Nying at Blake speed. Actually,
[01:01:10] the first person he called was his wife.
[01:01:12] He called Elizabeth McCoy. Um, and then
[01:01:16] he stayed on the phone with his wife for
[01:01:17] 10 minutes. And during those 10 minutes,
[01:01:21] he three-wayed Erica 3 minutes after the
[01:01:24] shot went off. And then he three-ways
[01:01:27] his father. And then he three-ways a
[01:01:29] third person who I am not interested in
[01:01:31] mentioning because it's not relevant.
[01:01:35] Right.
[01:01:40] Why all the ciness?
[01:01:43] Why did we get a whole bunch of
[01:01:44] different stories?
[01:01:47] Why were they so afraid to reveal this?
[01:01:52] Why did they try? If this was the call,
[01:01:56] why did they need to trot Blake Nef out
[01:01:58] to explain it wrong to lie about it? Why
[01:02:02] not just have Mikey come out and say
[01:02:04] this?
[01:02:06] Why not bring Mikey's wife out to
[01:02:08] explain it and corroborate it? That
[01:02:11] would have been the easiest thing ever,
[01:02:14] right?
[01:02:16] And so I'm still very suspicious of
[01:02:18] these call logs.
[01:02:21] Is this the exact text form that it came
[01:02:23] in? Because this doesn't exactly look
[01:02:25] like Candace's usual text format, but
[01:02:29] maybe this is Candace's reynthesis of
[01:02:31] them.
[01:02:33] Um
[01:02:36] because this doesn't look like the kind
[01:02:37] of thing you would get from Verizon,
[01:02:44] right?
[01:02:47] And so this is where just getting them
[01:02:49] on record saying things
[01:02:52] is really valuable.
[01:02:54] Really valuable. Um and I'd be I'd be
[01:02:56] curious. I might try to ask Candace and
[01:02:58] her team if this what format the call
[01:03:00] logs were shown to them in. if it looked
[01:03:02] like it came from the phone company or
[01:03:04] from any official source or if it was
[01:03:06] just typed out in like a Google document
[01:03:07] or something
[01:03:10] because this just adds more questions
[01:03:19] for. So, first off, we are now to
[01:03:22] believe that when Mikey did this and
[01:03:25] walked away like this, he wasn't on the
[01:03:28] phone already. He didn't call her until
[01:03:30] a minute after,
[01:03:33] maybe.
[01:03:36] Even though when he goes behind the
[01:03:38] tent, both hands are going to his ears.
[01:03:40] And then when he walks out from behind
[01:03:42] the tent, one hand is at his ear and the
[01:03:44] other hand is not already in that
[01:03:46] moment.
[01:03:48] Doesn't really look like how you would
[01:03:50] plug your ears to me.
[01:03:53] But then a minute later, apparently he's
[01:03:56] making a phone call to his wife.
[01:03:59] Maybe as he's walking away from the SUV
[01:04:01] in the background in the images that we
[01:04:02] have of him.
[01:04:06] The ciness is suspicious.
[01:04:08] >> This is Danny McCoy, by the way. Is his
[01:04:10] brother that's in the military, but
[01:04:12] that's before the shot goes.
[01:04:13] >> Pierce Morgan asked her directly and she
[01:04:14] said just print it out on paper but
[01:04:16] didn't specify.
[01:04:19] Yep.
[01:04:21] That that tracks
[01:04:22] >> off. Charlie Kirk shot goes off, you
[01:04:25] know. So, um, yeah, the call logs sus in
[01:04:29] every direction.
[01:04:31] >> Back to this Hampton's retreat.
[01:04:34] >> There's so many clips. There are so many
[01:04:37] clips. I like, right? Remember the
[01:04:39] narrative was that after Candace's
[01:04:41] Tuesday show that she had sold out and
[01:04:43] that she didn't offer any information
[01:04:44] and oh my gosh, I've given up faith. Oh
[01:04:47] my gosh, I used to be a candy and now
[01:04:50] I'm not. Like, what?
[01:04:55] I mean, first off, for me, I I don't buy
[01:04:58] everything that Candace says. I don't
[01:04:59] just take it as gospel truth. I just see
[01:05:01] it as reporting, and I treat it like
[01:05:02] everyone else's reporting, and I just
[01:05:04] watch what she says, and I try to
[01:05:05] corroborate it for myself, and I see how
[01:05:07] it plays out, and I know her track
[01:05:08] record. And based on her track record,
[01:05:10] I'm not inclined to call her a liar
[01:05:13] before I see undeniable proof of such.
[01:05:18] Right. And I think that's probably how a
[01:05:20] lot of people feel about her reporting.
[01:05:25] And so
[01:05:27] when I went back through this episode,
[01:05:28] when I was clipping all this to go
[01:05:29] through it, it's like to me the response
[01:05:32] on Tuesday and Wednesday feels very
[01:05:34] manufactured. It feels very fake and
[01:05:36] gay. And you should just keep an eye out
[01:05:38] for these sorts of things, these sorts
[01:05:39] of tactics, the flooding of the zone.
[01:05:44] Certainly she could be deceived.
[01:05:46] Certainly she could be. And we're
[01:05:48] looking for evidence that that's
[01:05:49] happened. And if she is being deceived
[01:05:52] by a complex malicious actor that is
[01:05:55] giving her false information that's
[01:05:56] corroborated but but still misleading,
[01:05:58] just that is suspicious as well. Is
[01:06:02] Tyler Robinson deceiving her or is
[01:06:05] someone else deceiving her? Because if
[01:06:07] it's not Tyler Robinson and other people
[01:06:09] are intentionally trying to deceive
[01:06:10] Candace Owens around this case,
[01:06:16] ask yourself why and who,
[01:06:19] right? And I communicated this with them
[01:06:22] that makes me so um
[01:06:26] uncomfortable is how many little lies
[01:06:28] were told. I think I've been clear about
[01:06:30] that. Like Seth Dylan definitively
[01:06:32] pressed Charlie at this.
[01:06:34] >> This part is big. Now whether it was in
[01:06:35] a hypothetical, which it was in a
[01:06:37] hypothetical, but he got fired up in the
[01:06:39] hypothetical of Charlie discussing
[01:06:42] potentially tweeting something against
[01:06:43] BB Netany and Yahoo, it did lead to this
[01:06:46] firecracker moment. Again, this is one
[01:06:48] of those things where I go, why am I
[01:06:50] always being held out to dry, like hung
[01:06:52] out to dry for telling people the truth,
[01:06:54] especially when I wasn't going, oh,
[01:06:55] well, Seth Dylan killed Charlie Kirk. I
[01:06:57] just like this happened. It factually
[01:07:00] happened. And yet everybody's kind of
[01:07:02] putting out these weird statements and
[01:07:04] they're not being honest in them. And I
[01:07:05] was saying to them that made me feel
[01:07:06] really weird. And
[01:07:09] I would love to know more and about this
[01:07:12] BB Netany and Yahoo offer to fund
[01:07:15] Turning Point to the next level. Uh at
[01:07:17] which point Erica said she was not aware
[01:07:19] of that happening. It is obviously
[01:07:22] totally possible that that was kept in
[01:07:24] the business lane of Turning Point USA,
[01:07:27] but I'm certain. I said, "I am
[01:07:29] absolutely certain that I did not get
[01:07:31] this from an obscure source that BB
[01:07:34] offered to fund Turning Point to the
[01:07:36] next level." And it was part of my
[01:07:37] frustration with that sitdown with Alex
[01:07:40] Clark where Andrew said, "Oh, there was
[01:07:43] not $150 million that's made up." You
[01:07:46] know, I told them Andrew Kovette was my
[01:07:48] source. Andrew Kovat told me.
[01:07:54] >> That's huge.
[01:07:56] That's crazy. That's the thing is that
[01:07:57] she has all these receipts from people
[01:07:59] like Andrew Kovit who she's actually
[01:08:00] been protecting as the source of that
[01:08:02] information. The fact that Andrew Kulov
[01:08:05] told her that changes the whole nature
[01:08:07] of that story.
[01:08:12] And then TB USA just sits by while
[01:08:14] everyone that they own is shilling about
[01:08:16] how Candace lied about that.
[01:08:20] And then she said that Andrew Kulovit
[01:08:22] was pissed because he stood to gain a
[01:08:24] lot from that going to the next level.
[01:08:27] No, that's a lie. Even though Andrew Kov
[01:08:29] is the one that told her about the
[01:08:30] deal in the first place,
[01:08:33] right? If Andrew Kulovit doesn't get
[01:08:35] fired, there's something weird going on,
[01:08:38] right? How could you not fire Andrew at
[01:08:41] this point? How could you not fire
[01:08:43] Andrew three days ago, let alone a month
[01:08:46] ago?
[01:08:48] Right.
[01:08:49] verbatim that BB Netanyahu offered to
[01:08:52] take turning points to the next level
[01:08:53] and that Charlie turned that money down.
[01:08:55] So
[01:08:56] >> like So then what was Andrew thinking?
[01:08:58] Was he thinking that when he leaked that
[01:09:00] to her early on, he didn't realize how
[01:09:01] it would come back around? But at the
[01:09:03] time was the idea that he was trying to
[01:09:05] lead her off the train of Israel and
[01:09:07] think about other things because Charlie
[01:09:09] turned him down because Andrew Kulov is
[01:09:11] that dense to think that that's not
[01:09:12] relevant.
[01:09:18] Right?
[01:09:20] See, it's very complex what we do and
[01:09:22] don't know. We don't know. Like maybe
[01:09:23] Andrew Kov is just being a dumbass.
[01:09:25] Maybe he's just looking out for his own
[01:09:27] skin. Maybe he's trying to legitimately
[01:09:30] investigate it and is just not very good
[01:09:32] at this. Or maybe he's involved in any
[01:09:35] number of elements of cover up,
[01:09:38] conspiracy, or whatever. I don't know.
[01:09:43] But no matter what Andrew Kulov is up
[01:09:46] to, he needs to be fired.
[01:09:50] Yesterday,
[01:09:52] Andrew is family, so he's not going to
[01:09:54] get fired. Everyone at TP USA is family
[01:09:57] apparently except for Rob McCoy. He's
[01:10:00] out. that guy. Charlie's
[01:10:02] pastor. Yeah, right. Get kick rocks, Rob
[01:10:05] McCoy. You never even worked for us in
[01:10:08] any capacity.
[01:10:10] Go edit your Wikipedia page back.
[01:10:12] >> I said there's a bit of a predicament
[01:10:15] when I'm being like lambasted by all of
[01:10:18] these voices and people that are
[01:10:19] attacking me and these paid campaigns.
[01:10:21] And when I say paid, yes. Okay. actually
[01:10:24] have the names of people different ways
[01:10:27] they're being paid. Some are being paid
[01:10:28] by PR firms. Too many are being paid by
[01:10:31] Prager University, which is upsetting to
[01:10:32] me. Be
[01:10:35] why would that be happening?
[01:10:38] Why would Prager University be paying
[01:10:40] influencers
[01:10:42] to shut down and obiscate and lie about
[01:10:46] Candace's reporting about Israel's
[01:10:48] involvement here?
[01:10:50] How weird.
[01:10:53] Marissa Stright, I wonder if you could
[01:10:55] comment on that,
[01:10:57] Miss Stright. Any comment on why Prageru
[01:11:01] would be having influencers do such
[01:11:04] things allegedly?
[01:11:06] That's weird.
[01:11:07] >> Cuz I know Marissa and it's just dirty.
[01:11:11] But it's it's especially crazy when
[01:11:15] people are calling it a conspiracy when
[01:11:17] I share things that are told to me from
[01:11:19] the spokesperson of Turning Point USA.
[01:11:21] Okay, that's weird. And yes, they were
[01:11:24] forthcoming. Nobody's ever denied this.
[01:11:26] So, this was not on our list of lies
[01:11:27] about the fact that BB Netanyahu did
[01:11:29] call him. Okay, that did happen. BB
[01:11:32] shared that. By the way, our source for
[01:11:33] that could have just as well been BB
[01:11:34] Netanyahu.
[01:11:36] uh and not a lot of clarity on
[01:11:40] I don't know why some of some people
[01:11:43] think he didn't make this offer and why
[01:11:46] definitively three different sources who
[01:11:49] would have knowledge of this confirmed
[01:11:50] to me that BBNet and Yahoo did indeed
[01:11:52] make this offer. I never said
[01:11:54] >> that's a lot of sources.
[01:11:56] Andrew Kulit himself plus three other
[01:11:58] sources. That's a lot of
[01:12:00] sources.
[01:12:03] And that detail is so important that BB
[01:12:07] offered to take Turning Point to the
[01:12:09] next level and Charlie turned him down.
[01:12:11] That is hugely important.
[01:12:16] And the denials of it are just as
[01:12:18] important.
[01:12:19] The lies to say that that never
[01:12:21] happened.
[01:12:24] Look at who Look at who said that.
[01:12:28] $150 million ever, not once on the show.
[01:12:31] I wouldn't have even said that, by the
[01:12:33] way. They said, "Take turning points to
[01:12:34] the next level." I actually would have
[01:12:36] assumed it was more. I'm being honest.
[01:12:40] >> Dropping shade.
[01:12:43] Oh, BB. That's all you can muster. Just
[01:12:45] 150 millies. That's all you got, BB?
[01:12:50] Is that an Israeli next level, bro? I I
[01:12:52] thought that we were better than that,
[01:12:54] baby. Come on. What are you getting
[01:12:56] poor? Shabbash shalom ain't what it used
[01:12:58] to be, dog.
[01:13:01] Come on.
[01:13:04] Yeah. GG comes up and she's like, "Yeah,
[01:13:06] that's
[01:13:08] That's
[01:13:09] >> That's like that's that's a hefty offer
[01:13:11] and it leads to a lot of questions." So
[01:13:13] >> GG, go lay down. Go.
[01:13:22] We're on the liver treats today.
[01:13:33] Yeah, GG in the chat. GG in the chat.
[01:13:36] There was not a lot of clarity there.
[01:13:39] Lastly, I want to add, of course, I was
[01:13:41] locked in this meeting when people on
[01:13:44] live were another round of debunking the
[01:13:46] Egyptian planes. I want to be very
[01:13:48] clear. We discussed the Egyptian planes
[01:13:51] and I have since worked on an incredible
[01:13:54] document about the Egyptian planes which
[01:13:56] we are going to put up on our website
[01:13:58] because I realized that when we sent
[01:14:00] that when we
[01:14:00] >> I've been looking for this document. I
[01:14:02] want this document to come out real bad.
[01:14:04] I've got my own documents about the
[01:14:07] Egyptian planes. I've got my own
[01:14:08] analysis of the public flight data. Um
[01:14:13] I want to see her analysis of it. I want
[01:14:15] to see what other stuff she's added to
[01:14:16] it.
[01:14:19] I got all kinds of questions about these
[01:14:21] Egyptian planes, regardless of whether
[01:14:23] or not they were tracking Erica Kirk.
[01:14:26] Honestly, the Egyptian planes tracking
[01:14:28] Erica Kirk, super suspicious. Tucker's
[01:14:31] uh assertation that he was told by a
[01:14:34] reputable source that that's true. Even
[01:14:37] without that, I'm still suspicious of
[01:14:39] them.
[01:14:41] The more I look at Egyptian airspace,
[01:14:43] the more suspicious of them I get.
[01:14:46] shared that spreadsheet. People assume
[01:14:48] >> and obviously in the next show that
[01:14:49] we're going to watch clips from here,
[01:14:50] she adds more to this
[01:14:53] >> that one of the columns which was
[01:14:56] actually saying where the planes landed
[01:14:57] on that day because it was plus or minus
[01:14:59] 3 days was exactly where Erica had been
[01:15:02] on that day and that was inaccurate. And
[01:15:03] so for clarity, I had been working on
[01:15:05] the last week on turning it into an
[01:15:07] interactive timeline that we can put up
[01:15:08] on our website because I'm certain these
[01:15:10] Egyptian planes are incredibly shady.
[01:15:12] were in fact tracking Turning Point USA
[01:15:16] faith broader events. Of course, Erica
[01:15:18] was at some of them, Charlie was at some
[01:15:19] of them, but it is the the pattern here
[01:15:21] is undeniable. So, let the N
[01:15:22] >> Pastor Rob McCoy was at some of them.
[01:15:25] >> Sayers and people make videos trying to
[01:15:27] what do we fifth round debunk these
[01:15:29] planes. I also want to say to you that I
[01:15:31] feel very confident that I know why
[01:15:33] these planes have caused such panic and
[01:15:36] it is because there is
[01:15:39] >> Oh, I forgot. It was actually in this
[01:15:41] episode that she says this part
[01:15:42] >> overwhelming evidence that these planes
[01:15:45] regularly fly in and out of Israel and I
[01:15:48] I'm going to present that evidence to
[01:15:49] evidence tomorrow. I say that strongly.
[01:15:51] This is the like I feel very confident
[01:15:54] saying these Egyptian planes are flying
[01:15:55] in and out. And notice I'm saying planes
[01:15:57] because
[01:15:58] >> I have received some information to
[01:16:01] suggest that and I've been trying to
[01:16:02] corroborate it myself. I don't know what
[01:16:04] information she's got. Uh, I think she
[01:16:06] was released a little bit more about it
[01:16:08] yesterday, the day after this episode,
[01:16:11] but I still I want more information. I
[01:16:13] want proof. I want I want a DOJ
[01:16:16] investigation. I want government
[01:16:18] investigation and data about this.
[01:16:20] >> Once I was able to connect people that
[01:16:22] were on those planes onto other Egyptian
[01:16:24] planes, I was able to realize that these
[01:16:27] planes are flying in and out of Israel
[01:16:30] and turning their transponder off each
[01:16:31] time that they do it. That is now makes
[01:16:34] perfect sense of why there was this mass
[01:16:36] panic, right? It's not exactly like we
[01:16:37] have a strong Egyptian lobby in the
[01:16:40] United States. Whoa. Well, those darn
[01:16:42] Egyptians again are trying to get Tik
[01:16:43] Tok censored. I I mean, every person in
[01:16:46] the game, Barry acting. Well, the these
[01:16:49] are the usual suspects that act if
[01:16:50] something is a threat to Israel. Okay,
[01:16:52] >> which is they should have just been
[01:16:54] forthcoming, pretended that it was
[01:16:55] changing apart. Instead, they're trying
[01:16:57] to gaslight us. And
[01:16:58] >> the thing is, they've been pretending it
[01:17:00] was changing apart. they still would
[01:17:01] have had a lot of explaining to do
[01:17:02] because we carefully analyze the flight
[01:17:04] patterns of these Egyptian planes and
[01:17:06] they just don't line up with
[01:17:08] maintenance. Even though there is a
[01:17:12] dissult maintenance facility in the
[01:17:14] area,
[01:17:16] it just doesn't line up. It's weird. I
[01:17:20] like I can't come up with any logical
[01:17:23] explanation. I'm not an expert. Maybe
[01:17:24] someone can explain it in a way that it
[01:17:27] makes sense, but those flight patterns
[01:17:29] of those Egyptian planes this year and
[01:17:31] last year are super weird.
[01:17:34] >> They're actually frankly just pissing me
[01:17:36] off. So, I became locked in on these
[01:17:40] Egyptian planes because that's how I am.
[01:17:41] Okay, you keep pushing me and keep
[01:17:42] pushing me. I will become an expert on
[01:17:44] these planes. I'll learn how to build an
[01:17:46] Egyptian plane. The reality is, like I
[01:17:48] said, tomorrow I will show you how these
[01:17:50] planes tie back to Israel and And
[01:17:54] there's there's no there's no disproving
[01:17:57] this. So, uh, more on that later. We'll
[01:18:00] be
[01:18:00] >> Yeah, I have I mean, I've got some
[01:18:02] pretty solid sourcing to make me
[01:18:05] believe that. aside from this, aside
[01:18:08] from Candace, and aside from my own
[01:18:10] investigation, but it's the kind of
[01:18:12] thing that's so hard to prove with
[01:18:14] public information that um I'm just I'm
[01:18:18] trying I'm trying hard because I I agree
[01:18:20] that the Egyptian planes are so
[01:18:22] important. Uh we might have already seen
[01:18:24] this clip.
[01:18:25] >> Next up, that quotation continues
[01:18:29] compliant.
[01:18:29] >> Oh, no. Like the man of steel.
[01:18:31] >> So, we're on to yesterday's show now. Uh
[01:18:34] Wednesday's show. Well, it should have
[01:18:36] just gone through and through. It likely
[01:18:38] would have killed those standing behind
[01:18:39] him, too. And that seems strange for a
[01:18:43] lot of reasons. First off, PIPA
[01:18:45] compliance. Why would he speak to Andrew
[01:18:47] Kovat? Also, did Andrew Kovat record it?
[01:18:49] It's a pretty long quotation. Why is it
[01:18:51] in quotations? Do you remember that
[01:18:52] verbatim?
[01:18:55] And I can tell you that
[01:18:59] it's kind of been a mess since. This is
[01:19:00] kind of the beginning of everything,
[01:19:01] right? If we're being honest, that one
[01:19:03] solitary tweet was the beginning of the
[01:19:05] what I would call federal mask slip. It
[01:19:08] feels like they have been feeding us
[01:19:10] slop ever since. Well, yeah, I now feel
[01:19:12] comfortable revealing some more
[01:19:13] information for you, some that I have
[01:19:15] held on to, but which I the people who
[01:19:18] gave this to me are now insisting that I
[01:19:21] reveal. Simply put, and I'm going to say
[01:19:23] allegedly here only because I did not
[01:19:26] speak directly to Dr. Lee Troder,
[01:19:30] >> but apparently the people that told her
[01:19:32] this are now insisting that she reveal
[01:19:34] it. So, kind of implies that they're
[01:19:37] close friends of his or family or
[01:19:39] something because they're trying to
[01:19:41] clear his name sort of,
[01:19:43] >> but I very much have verified and trust
[01:19:45] this source. Uh, simply put, never once
[01:19:49] did Dr. Lee Troder say that Charlie's
[01:19:52] neck was stopped. Uh, Charlie's neck
[01:19:54] stopped a 306 bullet. And if you've seen
[01:19:57] Baron's reporting about Dr. Lee Troder
[01:20:00] and his planes and everything,
[01:20:03] people were starting to get a little
[01:20:04] suspicious of Dr. Lee Troder.
[01:20:07] Of Dr. Lee Dupont Troder.
[01:20:12] I mean, Dr. Troder is an interesting
[01:20:15] character. It sure looks like. And
[01:20:20] yeah, I'm not sure if we're now
[01:20:22] protecting the surgeon or if the surgeon
[01:20:25] actually never said that. I don't know
[01:20:27] what's going on with the surgeon, but I
[01:20:29] have questions all over this autopsy.
[01:20:31] Every direction of this autopsy, we have
[01:20:33] questions. Yeah, he speaks five
[01:20:35] languages allegedly based upon whatever
[01:20:37] that profile was. He has multiple planes
[01:20:39] in different companies, one of which is
[01:20:42] a bush plane, so he can land anywhere.
[01:20:47] that he keeps the flight data very
[01:20:49] carefully private for
[01:20:52] that's weird.
[01:20:54] >> It's actually hugely embarrassing
[01:20:56] aviation
[01:20:57] >> to for any surgeon to have said
[01:20:59] something like that. It's hugely
[01:21:01] embarrassing also because we're being
[01:21:02] told that like you know
[01:21:04] >> if you're not up to date on your JFK
[01:21:06] lore controlling the surgeons, the
[01:21:09] autopsies, the coroners is old standard
[01:21:11] practice.
[01:21:14] very very useful in these kinds of
[01:21:16] situations.
[01:21:19] >> He's violating HIPPA to get this
[01:21:21] information out there in this very high
[01:21:23] stress situation. You're actually
[01:21:24] accusing him of being not a professional
[01:21:26] on top of also kind of being an idiot.
[01:21:29] And you can imagine that that's put a
[01:21:30] lot of undue stress on the surgeon's
[01:21:32] family as many of them have been wrongly
[01:21:35] implicated in a coverup. like the
[01:21:39] absurdity of such a narrative. If you're
[01:21:40] going to put something out there,
[01:21:41] there's going to be flak that comes upon
[01:21:43] the surgeon, the other doctors.
[01:21:45] >> Yep. And it's understandable. It's
[01:21:48] understandable that people would be
[01:21:49] suspicious. Now, we don't have any we
[01:21:52] don't have any evidence that the surgeon
[01:21:53] is involved in a crime here. We
[01:21:56] certainly don't have any reason to
[01:21:57] harass Dr. Troder or his family members.
[01:21:59] I condemn that. Don't do that. But like,
[01:22:03] we have every reason to ask questions.
[01:22:05] We have every reason to try to get to
[01:22:07] the bottom of this. And just because I
[01:22:10] mean a when he said that allegedly said
[01:22:13] man of steel or whatever, we don't have
[01:22:15] any reason to believe that that
[01:22:16] statement was true. And now that we've
[01:22:19] been told he never said that, we also
[01:22:20] still don't really have a lot of reason
[01:22:22] to believe that he also never said it
[01:22:25] because at this point it could be both.
[01:22:27] It could be that he
[01:22:30] very much was okay with that statement
[01:22:32] going out whether it was true or said or
[01:22:34] not. And it could be that now it's like,
[01:22:36] "No, sorry. We're gonna protect me and
[01:22:39] we're gonna pretend and we're I never
[01:22:40] said that." I don't know. At this point,
[01:22:43] it's all he says, she says from a bunch
[01:22:45] of liars.
[01:22:48] So,
[01:22:50] unfortunately, suspicion has to remain
[01:22:52] on all of them. Nurse says, "Are you
[01:22:55] involved? Did you try to get Charlie
[01:22:57] Kirk killed? Were you involved in this
[01:22:58] in staging this? Why would you say that
[01:23:00] he ate healthy?" Right? There's no
[01:23:02] doctor, a surgeon that would say
[01:23:03] something like that. So to restate that
[01:23:05] the quotation that Andrew Kovette shared
[01:23:07] on his ex feed is not a direct quotation
[01:23:11] from the surgeon like at all. Rather
[01:23:15] what I was told is that what the surgeon
[01:23:18] communicated very clearly to Andrew and
[01:23:21] yes it is absolutely true that the
[01:23:24] surgeon Dr. Lee Troder hunts so he does
[01:23:27] have experience with bullets. What he
[01:23:29] communicated is that it was likely a
[01:23:31] frangible bullet that was used. Now, for
[01:23:34] those of you who don't hunt, maybe don't
[01:23:36] shoot, and you're not familiar with that
[01:23:38] term.
[01:23:40] >> Nate Valhalla VFT's ears just went,
[01:23:45] "Excuse me." And we're going to watch
[01:23:47] some of Nate's clips here in just a
[01:23:49] second.
[01:23:49] >> Frangible. Like, what's a frangible
[01:23:51] bullet? That refers to a specialized
[01:23:55] ammunition that is designed to
[01:23:57] disintegrate into powder upon impact.
[01:24:02] >> Yeah.
[01:24:04] So
[01:24:06] Nate watches this
[01:24:08] >> that is designed to disintegrate into
[01:24:10] powder upon impact.
[01:24:13] >> Okay. So
[01:24:17] super convenient again. All of a sudden,
[01:24:20] 3 months later,
[01:24:23] the surgeon comes out and says, "No, no,
[01:24:27] no. That's all lies. He never said that.
[01:24:28] It's it was a frangible round." Which
[01:24:30] again immediately makes the entire
[01:24:32] narrative work. It does. And I will show
[01:24:36] super convenient, right? And that's why
[01:24:37] I'm saying that I don't necessarily
[01:24:39] believe either of these statements. I
[01:24:41] don't necessarily believe that he didn't
[01:24:43] say it and I don't necessarily believe
[01:24:45] that he said this now because it's
[01:24:48] almost like they're watching this bullet
[01:24:50] narrative fall apart and we've brought a
[01:24:52] lot of attention to the bullet narrative
[01:24:53] lately in a very public forum gotten a
[01:24:57] lot of heat over pointing out that the
[01:24:59] bullet doesn't make any sense.
[01:25:02] And now conveniently,
[01:25:05] suddenly the bullet is exactly the type
[01:25:07] of bullet that all the experts have been
[01:25:10] saying from the start. This is the only
[01:25:12] type of round that could possibly make
[01:25:13] sense with what we have on video.
[01:25:17] You
[01:25:19] I put this video out and it explains a
[01:25:21] little bit of it. Uh let me go back. I
[01:25:24] put this video out what did I put this
[01:25:26] out? two months ago
[01:25:29] and I said this exact thing. I said,
[01:25:33] >> "Yeah, you have to excuse Candace's
[01:25:35] descriptions. She's not a gun person.
[01:25:36] She says turn to powder." You know what
[01:25:38] she mean? Like, you know what a
[01:25:40] frangible round does. Nate knows what a
[01:25:42] frangible round does. She was just using
[01:25:44] her layman understanding to explain, you
[01:25:46] know, the basics of it.
[01:25:48] >> Frangible round makes perfect sense.
[01:25:50] This is exactly what you would expect.
[01:25:52] However, we're going to get into the
[01:25:54] actual anatomy part of this of why the
[01:25:57] frangible round just didn't work.
[01:26:02] Here we go.
[01:26:06] So, if you didn't see this video that I
[01:26:08] did, I went through a ton of different
[01:26:12] types of 30 o six rounds trying to
[01:26:14] figure out what's the potential of one
[01:26:16] of these rounds actually being used that
[01:26:19] would hit Charlie, create no exit wound,
[01:26:22] and then but also create that narrative
[01:26:24] that TPOSA told us, right? That it came
[01:26:27] in, hit the C2, tracked down, blew
[01:26:28] through six vertebrae, and an entire
[01:26:30] bullet lodged in the neck.
[01:26:33] TP USA execs found Ian because of
[01:26:35] Candace and Nate and Baron because of
[01:26:37] Ian just like the rest of us. You're
[01:26:38] probably right.
[01:26:41] You're probably right.
[01:26:44] So again to my point round is designed
[01:26:47] to not penetrate through. Specifically
[01:26:50] designed to not penetrate through. And
[01:26:51] we'll explain why. Well uh ox ox boot.
[01:26:57] So we are to believe he only had one
[01:26:58] frangible round because the other rounds
[01:27:00] weren't or didn't appear to be. We don't
[01:27:02] know that because they haven't shown us
[01:27:04] any photos of the other rounds, which is
[01:27:05] very suspicious because the rounds were
[01:27:08] apparently engraved with slang.
[01:27:13] And then
[01:27:15] they were just sharpied with, you know,
[01:27:18] internet ideology. I shouldn't say the
[01:27:21] T-word. YouTube will get mad at me for
[01:27:22] the T-word.
[01:27:24] And then we still don't have photos of
[01:27:27] them, but allegedly Tyler Robinson was
[01:27:31] drawing his little oos on there
[01:27:35] and there's unspent rounds in the
[01:27:37] cartridge in the clip and there's still
[01:27:39] the casing of the first round that was
[01:27:41] fired in the rifle.
[01:27:45] And that had better all be frangible
[01:27:49] rounds then if this is what we're being
[01:27:51] told.
[01:27:55] Right.
[01:27:58] And every other shooting where there's
[01:28:00] been a transgender individual engraving
[01:28:02] their car casings,
[01:28:05] you know what they did first thing? They
[01:28:07] published photos of the casings
[01:28:09] right away. Every time.
[01:28:12] Right. This is the only time that they
[01:28:16] have not published photos of the bullets
[01:28:19] despite playing out this whole trans
[01:28:22] slang stuff
[01:28:24] to try to stoke this leftist ideology
[01:28:27] narrative.
[01:28:30] Is that not weird to you? Do you not
[01:28:33] smell the from a mile away
[01:28:35] there?
[01:28:38] Because they need to sell the leftist
[01:28:40] narrative. They need to tell you that
[01:28:42] this really identifiable marker that
[01:28:44] we've seen in all these totally normal
[01:28:46] shootings where they've shown us the
[01:28:49] bullets with the engraved casings, the
[01:28:52] drawn on symbols, all the crazy
[01:28:54] scribblings in the notebooks
[01:28:58] just so that way you know for sure it
[01:28:59] was this leftist trans guy who's not
[01:29:02] actually trans.
[01:29:04] But then they aren't going to show us
[01:29:05] these ones. No photos at all. Just trust
[01:29:08] us, bro. Because we need the right to
[01:29:11] hate the left and we need the left to
[01:29:12] hate the right. And we need you to not
[01:29:15] ask any questions about foreign
[01:29:17] involvement in the most significant
[01:29:19] political assassination in your
[01:29:21] lifetime.
[01:29:23] Awfully convenient.
[01:29:27] Awfully fake and gay once we watch this.
[01:29:30] Okay. But uh here I explained it in this
[01:29:33] video two months ago.
[01:29:34] >> That would have just literally blown
[01:29:35] right through Charlie's neck. But now
[01:29:37] that we've kind of got past those
[01:29:38] standard hunting rounds, now we're going
[01:29:40] to get into some niche rounds where
[01:29:42] there may be a possibility to create no
[01:29:44] exit wound. Let's check this out. All
[01:29:46] right, so the frangible round, as it
[01:29:47] says here, the highdensity frangible
[01:29:49] bullet has tremendous centrafugal force
[01:29:51] when entering the animal and upon
[01:29:53] penetration. Also, guys, for everybody
[01:29:56] who uh this was two months ago, remember
[01:29:58] two months ago, I just told you. For
[01:30:00] everybody who's saying it's so easy to
[01:30:02] find, what's this say right here?
[01:30:05] What's it say right here? That's going
[01:30:07] to be a common theme once we start
[01:30:08] looking for these rounds. Oh, look at
[01:30:10] that. Out of stock. Yeah, they're super
[01:30:12] common. Anyway, let's keep moving. The
[01:30:15] core turns into powder in its original
[01:30:18] composition. So, essentially what
[01:30:20] frangible rounds are designed to do is
[01:30:23] once they enter and they impact
[01:30:24] something very, very hard, they
[01:30:26] basically are just going to
[01:30:27] disintegrate. Right? The idea behind
[01:30:29] that is let's say you're going to go out
[01:30:30] target shooting and you're shooting
[01:30:31] steel and you
[01:30:33] >> and it's important to hear the
[01:30:35] explanation about this from someone like
[01:30:36] Nate because
[01:30:38] understanding what frangible rounds are
[01:30:40] usually used for and understanding why
[01:30:42] they're pretty rare and kind of hard to
[01:30:44] get your hands on. They're not
[01:30:45] impossible to get your hands on.
[01:30:47] Obviously Nate is very clear about that.
[01:30:50] But understanding what they're for and
[01:30:52] why Tyler Robinson probably didn't have
[01:30:54] them. Probably didn't even really know
[01:30:55] about them. probably it's important.
[01:30:59] >> Don't details matter. Those bullets
[01:31:01] flying off the steel, maybe different
[01:31:02] directions or towards your neighbor's
[01:31:04] house, whatever. That round when it hits
[01:31:06] that steel, it's just going to
[01:31:07] disintegrated in nothing. Which would
[01:31:10] kind of be the idea if it hit something
[01:31:11] really hard like hard bone.
[01:31:14] >> Yeah. If you bought them online, we
[01:31:15] better have receipts,
[01:31:18] right?
[01:31:21] I mean, everything's traced.
[01:31:24] >> Okay. it potentially wouldn't create any
[01:31:26] exit wound. So, you might think, "Oh,
[01:31:28] there it is. We solved it. It was a
[01:31:29] frangible round." But what's the problem
[01:31:31] with the frangible round idea? Well,
[01:31:33] it's this. All right. And here's where
[01:31:34] the frangible round theory kind of gets
[01:31:36] thrown out with the bathwater. And
[01:31:37] that's of course because of Turning
[01:31:39] Point USA who's put out this information
[01:31:41] that a bullet was found that came in
[01:31:44] according to again Turning Point USA who
[01:31:47] I would assume isn't going to lie about
[01:31:48] this
[01:31:49] >> that that
[01:31:52] >> tracked crashed through all of these
[01:31:55] vertebrae and then lodged into the body
[01:31:58] here and that bullet was completely
[01:32:00] found here. Well, like we just saw on
[01:32:02] the description of the ammo, the
[01:32:04] frangible round is designed to
[01:32:06] essentially disintegrate when it hits
[01:32:07] something hard. What a fangible round is
[01:32:09] not going to do is hit hit this neck
[01:32:11] vertebrae, blast through six more
[01:32:14] vertebrae all the way down here, and
[01:32:16] then just be fully intact. It would have
[01:32:19] already disintegrated essentially into
[01:32:21] the body or fragmented all over the
[01:32:23] place. In another clip on the show that
[01:32:25] I don't think we have clipped, Nate does
[01:32:28] go over how if the frangible round were
[01:32:29] to hit him in the middle of the neck,
[01:32:31] the cavitation of the round could well
[01:32:33] have damaged all of those vertebrae the
[01:32:34] way that we were told that they were
[01:32:36] damaged. That's possible. Um, but he he
[01:32:40] Nate is Nate is rightly very suspicious
[01:32:42] of this narrative and how convenient it
[01:32:44] is. So, if it is true that this round
[01:32:48] again hit hit a neck and crashed through
[01:32:49] a bunch of bone and the whole thing
[01:32:51] lodged completely intact inside
[01:32:52] Charlie's body, it could not have been a
[01:32:54] franchical round.
[01:32:56] >> Okay. So
[01:32:59] this would mean that we were being lied
[01:33:01] to by TP USA directly, Andrew Kulvit,
[01:33:04] who leaked all this information about
[01:33:05] the autopsy to people like Steven
[01:33:07] Gardner and probably Brandon Tatum
[01:33:10] and told us that the bullet was found. A
[01:33:13] fragment of the bullet was found lodged
[01:33:14] down by T1. That's a lie. And it's a lie
[01:33:18] that seemed convenient at the time
[01:33:20] because at the time we were asking,
[01:33:22] "Where's the bullet?" At the time we
[01:33:24] were saying there's no exit wound,
[01:33:26] where's the ex? If there's no exit
[01:33:27] wound, is the bullet still inside of
[01:33:28] him? And suddenly a story is produced
[01:33:31] from inside the depths of TPUSA saying,
[01:33:34] "Oh yeah, there's a bullet. Don't worry,
[01:33:35] we found it inside of him."
[01:33:38] But now that that story is not so
[01:33:40] convenient because we're all noticing
[01:33:41] that a 30 6 is not going to lodge inside
[01:33:44] of him. It's going to go straight
[01:33:45] through his neck. Now it's a
[01:33:47] frangible round.
[01:33:50] It's a magic bullet
[01:33:52] basically. and just trust the science.
[01:33:55] Don't ask too many questions
[01:33:57] or you might have to get kicked off the
[01:33:59] internet.
[01:34:04] Steven Gardner came on my channel and
[01:34:06] explained to us can Andrew Kvet told him
[01:34:09] directly
[01:34:11] the bullet. You guys remember I could
[01:34:12] pull the clip up if we have to. The
[01:34:14] round came in,
[01:34:16] hit the C2, blew through six vertebrae,
[01:34:19] and the entire round lodged in the T1.
[01:34:21] We saw Andrew Kovvette say it. We saw
[01:34:23] Steven Gardner say it. We saw Officer
[01:34:24] Tatum say it. Everybody said it. That
[01:34:27] was the narrative. And they've seen the
[01:34:28] medical report, right?
[01:34:32] So now all of a sudden, three months
[01:34:36] later,
[01:34:40] like we we're just like, "Oh yeah, duh.
[01:34:41] It's the one thing that explains the
[01:34:43] entire story."
[01:34:44] >> The irony of the Valhalla brand of
[01:34:46] Valhalla being his brand name and Cash's
[01:34:49] Valhalla comments is pretty funny.
[01:34:52] Okay,
[01:34:54] I don't have a problem with it. We
[01:34:56] honestly also we don't know what the
[01:34:57] true at this point, right? Did
[01:34:59] this Did the surgeon actually say this?
[01:35:01] Did the surgeon say that he thought it
[01:35:02] was a frangible round? Like again, I'm
[01:35:05] going to assume Andrew Kovette
[01:35:07] was not told that by the surgeon
[01:35:10] because the story never made sense.
[01:35:13] Now the surgeon's saying he never said
[01:35:15] that.
[01:35:17] You'd have to uh
[01:35:21] And we're what what do we think? Why I
[01:35:24] don't know, chat. What? This is what's
[01:35:26] like got me trying to figure things out.
[01:35:29] Why would Andrew Kovette make that up?
[01:35:32] He did obviously make that up. We know
[01:35:34] that now. But why would he make that up?
[01:35:37] He made that up early because at the
[01:35:39] time that was when we had just learned
[01:35:42] there was no exit wound.
[01:35:45] And so the world needed a narrative of
[01:35:47] where the bullet went. And suddenly TP
[01:35:50] USA insiders start coming out talking
[01:35:52] about the autopsy that was leaked to
[01:35:55] them by we now know Andrew Kovvet saying
[01:36:00] that the bullet hit his spine and
[01:36:02] deflected at like 80 degrees
[01:36:06] and then went down his spine and broke
[01:36:08] up and lodged down by his T1 allegedly.
[01:36:11] Voila, you have an answer. See how
[01:36:14] transparent TPSA is?
[01:36:17] very convenient timing at the time, but
[01:36:20] now it's a little inconvenient,
[01:36:23] unfortunately.
[01:36:26] Came out and said that and that changed
[01:36:27] everything because everyone's been
[01:36:30] operating under the assumption of that
[01:36:31] medical examiner's report,
[01:36:36] right? Why would TPUSA come out and lie
[01:36:38] about that?
[01:36:41] >> Does anybody anybody have any good
[01:36:42] ideas? I don't have a good idea yet. I'm
[01:36:44] trying to wrap my head around that
[01:36:46] because it would seem like
[01:36:50] you would want to come out and say now
[01:36:53] what they're saying, right? Hey, there's
[01:36:56] no exit wound because the doctor thinks
[01:36:58] it was it was a frangible round.
[01:37:01] Great.
[01:37:02] Cool. Now, now
[01:37:06] if they'd said that from the start, we
[01:37:07] might not be here now. If they'd said
[01:37:09] that from the start, there might not
[01:37:11] have been nearly as much movement in
[01:37:13] military circles to question this whole
[01:37:15] narrative. And without the movement in
[01:37:17] military circles to question the
[01:37:18] narrative and to start firing 306 rounds
[01:37:20] at dummies and to start giving their
[01:37:22] perspective on how this this narrative
[01:37:24] doesn't make sense, this alleged autopsy
[01:37:27] doesn't make sense. This man of steel
[01:37:28] doesn't make sense.
[01:37:32] I mean, we would still be here. Candace
[01:37:34] would certainly still be there, but
[01:37:36] there'd be way less smoke coming out of
[01:37:39] this fire.
[01:37:40] We're getting somewhere now. The story
[01:37:42] makes sense.
[01:37:44] But now that you did that three and a
[01:37:45] half months later out of nowhere
[01:37:48] and
[01:37:50] just lying this whole time,
[01:37:53] >> what are we supposed to think now?
[01:37:55] What's true? And again, I'm not even
[01:37:58] saying I believe this
[01:38:00] because it's so convenient
[01:38:04] that like and it's the one thing. It's
[01:38:06] the one bullet that of course makes it
[01:38:08] work. The frangible round. Perfect. Got
[01:38:09] it. No exit. Beach vizla. I've not shot
[01:38:13] frangible rounds. I couldn't tell you
[01:38:14] what. I don't know the ballistics of
[01:38:16] frangible rounds. I couldn't tell you
[01:38:17] what kind of fragments they might leave
[01:38:18] in a body. Um there's a few people in
[01:38:20] chat that seem to know frangible rounds.
[01:38:22] Maybe they can answer you. Um, but I'm
[01:38:24] sure we'll get Nate to tell us more
[01:38:25] about him and I hope that we can get
[01:38:26] Nate to go and actually shoot some into
[01:38:27] some ballistic gel. Um,
[01:38:31] we'll see. Wound fragments out of the
[01:38:33] body.
[01:38:35] But now I want to see the autopsy
[01:38:38] report.
[01:38:40] Show me the autopsy report because if
[01:38:43] there's a full bullet sitting
[01:38:46] there in Charlie's T1,
[01:38:48] that ain't a frangible round.
[01:39:08] Let's look it up.
[01:39:12] Is a 223 51 grain frangible.
[01:39:16] Boom.
[01:39:19] And again, this didn't hit anything hard
[01:39:22] other than it just hit the ballistic
[01:39:23] gel.
[01:39:25] So this would be if it just hit flesh,
[01:39:27] no bone.
[01:39:32] Ballistic gel shots are so crazy to
[01:39:34] watch. They are so trippy.
[01:39:37] High-speed ballistic gel shots. See,
[01:39:40] what I want to see is I want to see an
[01:39:43] impact inside a ballistic gel with a
[01:39:46] hard object inside of it, which is a
[01:39:49] much more specialized test
[01:39:52] because this is the kind of
[01:39:53] fragmentation you get just hitting
[01:39:54] flesh-like substance. Ballistic gel.
[01:40:11] Wow, that's an old school video. 16
[01:40:13] years ago.
[01:40:16] Dang.
[01:40:18] I'm hesitant to just play random ones
[01:40:22] because I don't want um
[01:40:26] I don't want to accidentally play like
[01:40:28] wicked gun content
[01:40:39] or content with music that's going to be
[01:40:41] copyright.
[01:40:46] Unexpending round.
[01:40:48] >> Yeah. Music,
[01:40:51] but I think they're going to visualize
[01:40:52] it for you.
[01:40:59] Oh, this is non-expanding defense
[01:41:00] ammunition. I'm just getting sidetracked
[01:41:01] over here.
[01:41:04] My bad. My bad.
[01:41:07] We'll watch one more
[01:41:12] music.
[01:41:20] But see this is simulation.
[01:41:24] This isn't
[01:41:26] I mean some of it looks like real
[01:41:27] footage. Yeah, real footage
[01:41:38] with their music. But see turns into
[01:41:40] like powder essentially.
[01:41:44] So, I don't know. Maybe there still
[01:41:46] could be fragments found in Charlie's
[01:41:48] body. Nate doesn't seem to represent it
[01:41:50] that way. I'm not the expert. Um, who
[01:41:53] knows?
[01:41:56] Who knows?
[01:42:02] I mean, someone correct me if I'm wrong,
[01:42:03] but I'm still under the impression that
[01:42:05] a 306 frangible round is still going to
[01:42:09] leave massive damage inside of Charlie's
[01:42:11] neck and might still exit. I don't know.
[01:42:16] Because at a 90 degree angle and a nine
[01:42:17] degree offset,
[01:42:19] um Chris Martinson showed pretty clearly
[01:42:21] that there's actually not a lot of
[01:42:22] reason to believe that it would even hit
[01:42:24] the spine.
[01:42:26] And actually some of the shills on the
[01:42:28] other side were like like Jean Jean
[01:42:30] Francois Gri that was like shilling the
[01:42:34] the trampoline neck theory that Nick
[01:42:36] Fuentes was paritting. He said, "Yeah,
[01:42:39] yeah, Chris Martensson has the exact
[01:42:41] right trajectory. That's an exact line.
[01:42:43] It didn't even hit his spine. It went
[01:42:44] and hit the back of his neck and then
[01:42:46] trampolined back into his spine, which
[01:42:48] is so retarded."
[01:42:53] One more VFT clip.
[01:42:55] >> Great. The other thing, guys,
[01:42:56] >> oh no, two more. I got one queued up.
[01:42:59] >> What about those rounds the FBI found?
[01:43:02] Remember those? Because he supposedly
[01:43:04] took the shot, didn't even inject the uh
[01:43:07] shell casing, and when they found the
[01:43:09] gun, they found a shell casing in the
[01:43:12] gun, and they found three extra rounds.
[01:43:13] Remember the the rounds that were
[01:43:15] supposedly engraved on,
[01:43:18] and then later they were actually
[01:43:20] sharpied on?
[01:43:21] >> Yep. Yeah, we remember.
[01:43:22] >> Show us. Show us those rounds. We we'll
[01:43:25] be able to tell exactly what they are.
[01:43:29] >> Pretty straightforward.
[01:43:30] >> They don't exist. Those pictures don't
[01:43:31] exist.
[01:43:35] Um so where the are they? Because
[01:43:38] that could tell us right away, oh that's
[01:43:39] a frangible round. But if if what you
[01:43:41] have in the evidence is a full metal
[01:43:43] jacket round or even in some austere
[01:43:45] weird 22 accelerator round or whatever,
[01:43:47] people want to again people want to
[01:43:49] think that these rounds are super
[01:43:50] common.
[01:43:52] Well, show us that.
[01:43:54] Because now the official narrative is
[01:43:58] Charlie was shot by Tyler Robinson and
[01:44:00] this is what we're going to get into
[01:44:01] next
[01:44:03] with a frangible 30 six round.
[01:44:07] Now I want to bring this up because
[01:44:09] again people are in chat are going to
[01:44:10] try to tell you oh they're super common.
[01:44:12] Like again I just showed you two months
[01:44:14] ago when I did that video out of stock.
[01:44:16] We can we can look at right now.
[01:44:19] >> Okay. Sure if you dig hard enough. Most
[01:44:22] of the time what you're going to find is
[01:44:23] the actual uh bullet itself that you got
[01:44:25] to do manual reloads in for. It's hard
[01:44:27] to find like actual real franch. And let
[01:44:30] me explain the reason why. Okay? And why
[01:44:32] they're rare for the for the general
[01:44:34] public.
[01:44:35] >> This is why we love having experts to
[01:44:37] explain things that you might not
[01:44:39] realize, you might not know. You might
[01:44:40] not have the context on. I wouldn't have
[01:44:42] had the context on this.
[01:44:43] >> Okay. The 300 6 for the general public
[01:44:45] is used for what? Hunting. Big game.
[01:44:48] That's what the rifle is
[01:44:50] designed. You can hear my screenshot
[01:44:52] noises uh as I was tracking planes while
[01:44:54] grabbing this screen recording over
[01:44:56] here. I'm like doing three things at
[01:44:57] once and my screenshot noises are in the
[01:44:59] video to do. The reason why it's
[01:45:02] probably the most overall popular big
[01:45:05] game hunting rifle, you know, deer, elk,
[01:45:07] moose, other than maybe a 270, is that
[01:45:11] it's so powerful and it's and its
[01:45:13] ability to pass through and puncture
[01:45:15] through is so strong. That's why you
[01:45:17] want to use it. So for the people who
[01:45:18] tell you, oh, once once a round hits a
[01:45:21] bone, oh, it just it just it just blows
[01:45:24] into a million pieces and nothing
[01:45:25] happens. That's not true for a 30 six
[01:45:28] round specifically because a 30 odd six
[01:45:30] round is designed to blow through bone.
[01:45:33] Why? Because if you want to kill
[01:45:34] something like a moose and you
[01:45:38] shoot it in the side, if the bullet just
[01:45:40] blows, which is by the way where you're
[01:45:42] supposed to shoot big game, you don't
[01:45:45] aim for the head when you're hunting.
[01:45:47] You aim for like that heart quadrant,
[01:45:50] right? Into a 100 pieces. When it hits
[01:45:53] the rib, it's not going to pass through
[01:45:56] and hit the lungs and hit the heart and
[01:45:58] cause all the damage you need to cause
[01:46:00] to kill that big animal. So, that's why
[01:46:03] a 300 6 is so popular for hunting. Okay?
[01:46:06] And you want a powerful round, right?
[01:46:09] That's going to a soft point round most
[01:46:11] of the time for hunting that's going to
[01:46:12] expand wide and create a ton of
[01:46:14] damage and blow through that animal.
[01:46:17] So
[01:46:18] >> yeah, that's fair. Head shot if you get
[01:46:20] head shot. Well, it's not used for,
[01:46:22] >> right? You don't want If I'm going to
[01:46:23] shoot a moose and I have with a
[01:46:26] frangible round, it's going to hit that
[01:46:27] rib and it's going to disintegrate.
[01:46:29] It's not going to kill the animal. So,
[01:46:31] it's not a it's not a common popular
[01:46:33] round because you don't use it for
[01:46:35] hunting.
[01:46:36] What you do use it for and where you see
[01:46:38] it far more often is for law
[01:46:40] enforcement,
[01:46:42] okay? Law enforcement snipers. And the
[01:46:44] reason for that is you want a round that
[01:46:47] once it hits something is going to
[01:46:49] disintegrate. It's not going to pass
[01:46:50] through. Okay? Same idea with like a
[01:46:52] pistol and hollowpoint rounds. You don't
[01:46:54] want it to pass through that person,
[01:46:56] pass through a wall, and kill some kid
[01:46:58] three houses down. That's why law
[01:47:01] enforcement's using frangible rounds,
[01:47:03] okay, for their snipers.
[01:47:05] >> Yeah.
[01:47:05] >> So,
[01:47:07] why would And here's what I'm going to
[01:47:09] start to let's let's wrap our brains
[01:47:10] around this. Tyler Robinson.
[01:47:13] Uh, profile, character profile, 20,
[01:47:16] >> 4.0 GPA,
[01:47:19] nearperfect score on the ACT. Just
[01:47:21] wanted to throw that in there.
[01:47:23] >> 2-year-old kid. Hobbies are Magic the
[01:47:25] Gathering and video games. Let's say,
[01:47:29] >> hey, I played Magic the Gathering
[01:47:30] growing up. Nate's throwing shade.
[01:47:32] Nate's throwing shade on the nerds.
[01:47:35] >> He He took the ammo out of grandpa's
[01:47:37] basement.
[01:47:39] >> Uh, what? And to be fair, I wouldn't
[01:47:41] have known how to get a
[01:47:42] frangible round. So, point proven.
[01:47:44] >> Why the does grandpa have frangible
[01:47:46] rounds?
[01:47:47] Let's say, and this is hypothetically,
[01:47:48] that's where he got him.
[01:47:51] Where'd grandpa get frangible rounds?
[01:47:53] I'm assuming grandpa used the gun to
[01:47:54] hunt like every grandpa. Why would
[01:47:57] grandpa even have frangible
[01:47:58] rounds?
[01:48:00] Okay, that doesn't make any sense. And
[01:48:02] then Tyler Robinson. Why would Tyler
[01:48:04] Robinson go out of his way to
[01:48:06] specifically, and again, I and I looked
[01:48:09] around town. I looked at every gun store
[01:48:11] around town when I was going to go do my
[01:48:12] ballistics test because I wanted to find
[01:48:14] some frangible rounds just to do the
[01:48:15] testing for it.
[01:48:16] >> Bingo.
[01:48:18] >> Zero places sold them. Try to find them
[01:48:20] online. Very, very difficult. Couldn't
[01:48:21] get my hands on them. So, why would
[01:48:23] Tyler Robinson spend all this time
[01:48:26] again, 22-y old kid,
[01:48:29] hobbies are video games, Magic the
[01:48:31] Gathering, barely has ever hunted or
[01:48:33] used firearms. Why is he trying to track
[01:48:35] down 30 odd six frangible rounds on some
[01:48:38] austere weird website
[01:48:41] when he could just buy full metal jacket
[01:48:43] rounds from Walmart?
[01:48:46] None of that makes sense
[01:48:48] >> when his goal is to kill the target.
[01:48:51] Doesn't care about collateral damage
[01:48:53] presumably
[01:48:56] unless
[01:49:00] you had someone helping you,
[01:49:03] someone professional,
[01:49:06] I don't know, like a foreign government
[01:49:08] or
[01:49:11] something like that. someone that didn't
[01:49:13] want the bullet to exist after it was
[01:49:15] fired.
[01:49:17] That would track
[01:49:21] >> that may want you to. His dad's not a
[01:49:24] sheriff. Okay. So, this is bad
[01:49:25] information, right? Not true. 100% not
[01:49:28] true. Dad owns a construction business.
[01:49:29] Okay.
[01:49:30] >> Bingo. I'm going to grab one more clip
[01:49:32] from Nate that I've queued up over here.
[01:49:38] Oh, damn it.
[01:49:40] Again,
[01:49:46] I don't know. We just don't have the
[01:49:48] answers. Uh, are there unspent rounds in
[01:49:50] the mag also frags? Three. Three unspent
[01:49:53] rounds plus also a cartridge that they
[01:49:57] left in because it's bolt action. So, he
[01:49:59] didn't actually eject the round on the
[01:50:00] roof. So, that was still left in the
[01:50:02] gun. So, actually three rounds plus the
[01:50:05] shell of one round according to the FBI.
[01:50:07] Isn't that funny, guys? Isn't it funny
[01:50:09] how we've seen initially we saw
[01:50:11] everything out of the FBI like tweets
[01:50:13] they couldn't get they couldn't step on
[01:50:15] their own dick fast enough to tell us we
[01:50:16] got him we don't got him we got him we
[01:50:17] don't got them here's the gun maybe
[01:50:18] that's not the gun oh but his dad turned
[01:50:20] him in just kidding his dad didn't turn
[01:50:21] him in it was the family friend sheriff
[01:50:23] that all of that stuff they constantly
[01:50:24] threw at us as fast as possible but when
[01:50:27] it came to the rounds they just told us
[01:50:30] that they found rounds engraved and they
[01:50:32] just told us what it was said on the
[01:50:33] rounds but they didn't actually show us
[01:50:34] a picture of the rounds
[01:50:36] >> nope
[01:50:38] >> in that odd.
[01:50:40] >> Yeah.
[01:50:40] >> Oh, 30 odd six in these skinny jeans. We
[01:50:42] can see that. Okay. Obviously. And then
[01:50:46] we see here
[01:50:50] skinny jeans. Skinny jeans. These are
[01:50:52] tight ass jeans. There is no 306 in
[01:50:54] these jeans. What a lot of people tried
[01:50:56] to say is, "Oh, well, he had it up the
[01:50:59] back here." Oh my god. Yeah, you can
[01:51:02] bring one of those in here or bring
[01:51:03] Yeah, bring them in here.
[01:51:05] >> His girl's bringing in his 30 six. Oh,
[01:51:08] >> is that what's happening?
[01:51:10] >> My wife just like Hold on. Bring him in
[01:51:12] here. Come show everybody. Look what
[01:51:14] Look what my wife just brought in.
[01:51:16] >> Oh,
[01:51:21] >> we got a uh Sorry, we got a little
[01:51:24] sidetracked.
[01:51:25] >> Yeah, we got a little sidetracked. So,
[01:51:29] ain't that interesting?
[01:51:31] Um, and we're still going to get to uh
[01:51:33] stuff about Erica Kirk's background here
[01:51:35] in a minute, but first I want to go to
[01:51:38] some more expert testimony
[01:51:40] that came in just recently that Nate
[01:51:43] brought to our attention.
[01:51:45] Nate referenced this in his stream last
[01:51:48] night, but if you haven't gone and seen
[01:51:50] the whole podcast, it's very worth the
[01:51:52] watch. Um, and this section about
[01:51:55] Charlie Kirk is especially relevant. So,
[01:51:57] this is Mike Glover, not him. The guy
[01:51:59] he's interviewing is Mike Glover, ex
[01:52:02] Green Beret sniper, specifically sniper.
[01:52:07] >> The investigation and kind of picking
[01:52:09] apart some of the from a shooter
[01:52:11] standpoint and and an investigation
[01:52:13] standpoint.
[01:52:15] I I guess just broadly speaking, what is
[01:52:17] your take on that
[01:52:19] across the board really? I mean, from
[01:52:21] the narrative that's being fed from the
[01:52:24] FBI to the public to,
[01:52:27] you know, the concreting over the the
[01:52:30] shooting site not long afterwards and
[01:52:32] and the videos that we've seen and just
[01:52:34] just from a sniper perspective kind of
[01:52:36] what is your take overall of of the
[01:52:38] entire thing?
[01:52:40] >> A lot of it stinks and I I don't like
[01:52:42] it. Um there are technical things that
[01:52:45] 100% I could speak from a position of
[01:52:50] expertise and authority.
[01:52:52] >> Yeah. So
[01:52:55] Mike Glover served as a sniper during
[01:52:56] his 18-year career in the US Army
[01:52:59] Special Forces
[01:53:00] where he held roles such as weapon
[01:53:02] specialist, assaultter, reconnaissance
[01:53:04] team sergeant, and joint terminal air
[01:53:05] control.
[01:53:07] He was deployed to combat zones 14 to 15
[01:53:10] times, including multiple rotations in
[01:53:12] Iraq and Afghanistan.
[01:53:16] So, bro knows what he's talking about
[01:53:19] >> as a sniper, but overall the entire
[01:53:24] thing doesn't
[01:53:27] technically meet any of my evaluations
[01:53:32] of what an organized hit would look
[01:53:36] like.
[01:53:38] pinning it on one man who grew up
[01:53:42] hunting a little bit, who had little to
[01:53:45] no exposure to guns
[01:53:47] and grew up in a conservative home. Like
[01:53:49] it it just doesn't make any sense. And
[01:53:51] there's many components to that,
[01:53:54] but for him, like everybody's like,
[01:53:57] "It's an easy shot. Got it." Yeah.
[01:54:00] Shooting a watermelon off of a fence
[01:54:02] post is an easy shot.
[01:54:04] shooting a man under a tent in front of
[01:54:08] thousands of people
[01:54:11] knowing that you could get shot and
[01:54:12] killed yourself compromised
[01:54:15] even for trained operators is a lot of
[01:54:18] pressure. Not that we couldn't work
[01:54:20] through that pressure because we do
[01:54:22] that. But for a civilian with no
[01:54:25] understanding of stress inoculation, of
[01:54:28] training methodology, planning sequences
[01:54:32] to be able to execute that alone
[01:54:36] um seems off to me.
[01:54:38] >> Is there to play devil's advocate
[01:54:40] because that's my my jam. Is there any
[01:54:44] element of young, naive, almost too
[01:54:48] dumb? I mean, it's kind of like going
[01:54:49] through Buds at 18. It's like you're
[01:54:51] almost kind of too dumb to even
[01:54:52] understand what you've gotten yourself
[01:54:54] into. Do you think that there's any
[01:54:56] element of that that's even possible
[01:54:58] that like it just didn't even register
[01:55:00] that what he was doing was so profoundly
[01:55:03] significant historically and and evil
[01:55:06] and and and what have you that it was
[01:55:08] just in not impulsive because obviously
[01:55:10] there's a a level of planning that needs
[01:55:13] to take place but just from a a mindset
[01:55:15] standpoint that that that could possibly
[01:55:18] be a factor.
[01:55:19] >> Yeah, for sure. But even in the analogy
[01:55:22] you used um in buds, you don't have to
[01:55:24] be super technical. You just need to
[01:55:27] survive, right? You need to get through
[01:55:28] it. When you when you look at this
[01:55:31] situation, even breaking it down into an
[01:55:33] OP and just take cut out planning, just
[01:55:36] do infill actions on an X-fill.
[01:55:40] even with two weeks to plan it. Although
[01:55:44] we have testimony from students at the
[01:55:46] campus that they saw
[01:55:48] someone on the roof.
[01:55:51] I don't know if we have a any clarity on
[01:55:53] whether they looked like Tyler Robinson
[01:55:55] or not. Didn't sound like it looked like
[01:55:57] Tyler Robinson from the way the
[01:55:58] testimony came in, but it's hard to
[01:55:59] trust that kind of testimony from a
[01:56:00] student in their foggy memory. But even
[01:56:03] with two weeks of planning to get all
[01:56:05] this together, the way it all went down,
[01:56:07] and Mike brings up some very important
[01:56:09] points about leaving the rifle behind to
[01:56:11] flawlessly infill,
[01:56:14] flawlessly execute, and flawlessly Xfill
[01:56:17] without compromise,
[01:56:19] and only to be like, if that happened,
[01:56:21] which it happened allegedly, and then to
[01:56:24] throw it and piss it all away by
[01:56:25] throwing the rifle in the woods seems
[01:56:28] like a contradiction, an oxymoron. Like
[01:56:31] why would you go through all the work of
[01:56:33] apparently planning and then perfectly
[01:56:35] infilling actions on and then x-filling
[01:56:38] only to chuck a rifle to be seen off the
[01:56:41] side of the road. Now, do I think he's a
[01:56:44] psychopath? For sure. Um it typically
[01:56:46] takes that kind of personality to be
[01:56:50] unaffected
[01:56:52] either to go get some chicken nuggies at
[01:56:54] Dairy Queen a few hours later. maybe
[01:56:58] have to be a train operator or a
[01:56:59] psychopath
[01:57:00] >> or both.
[01:57:00] >> Or both.
[01:57:01] >> It's a blurry line there
[01:57:03] >> to uh effectively pull something off
[01:57:05] like that. But I also think
[01:57:09] um for people to operate like that in
[01:57:15] >> Yeah. their own little world without
[01:57:18] help. Um, and you could take the Trump
[01:57:20] assassination, attempted Trump's
[01:57:22] assassination as well as an example
[01:57:25] would be super unlikely. I mean, the
[01:57:28] biggest controversy is obviously the JFK
[01:57:30] assassination. To think that Oswald
[01:57:33] alone was a lone gunman with no help and
[01:57:37] coordination
[01:57:39] after he travels to Russia, like what?
[01:57:41] Like, so I'm afraid the further away we
[01:57:44] get from it, every day that we get away
[01:57:46] from it, the more it becomes a
[01:57:48] conspiracy and the less it becomes
[01:57:51] confirmable.
[01:57:53] And I just think it's it's ass
[01:57:56] backwards. I
[01:57:57] >> Yeah, it is ass backwards. And we're
[01:57:59] going to drop in here real quick with
[01:58:00] Candace to remind ourselves what she
[01:58:02] said about allegedly how the rifle was
[01:58:04] found.
[01:58:06] And it's interesting to me because I
[01:58:08] went to the place where the rifle was
[01:58:09] allegedly found. And I've stood there. I
[01:58:11] have footage of it. I've seen the place
[01:58:12] where the rifle was found allegedly. Um,
[01:58:15] and this is
[01:58:16] >> details. You know, I love details. I'm a
[01:58:17] detail oriented person and these ones
[01:58:19] are fun and curious. Okay, so the story
[01:58:23] goes, you remember the story goes that
[01:58:25] the police officers found the gun in a
[01:58:28] wooded area. now immediate
[01:58:30] >> and I've heard this same exact
[01:58:33] allegation from other people's other law
[01:58:35] enforcement sources from on the ground
[01:58:37] in Utah, not through Candace Owens in
[01:58:39] the past,
[01:58:41] not in quite so much detail before.
[01:58:45] >> Let's release the bomb dogs in that
[01:58:47] exact area where ultimately the gun is
[01:58:50] going to later be discovered. So, she
[01:58:52] alleges that her sources in law
[01:58:54] enforcement there tell her that they
[01:58:56] canvased the area completely and swept
[01:58:57] it and didn't find the gun. And then
[01:58:59] they released the bomb dogs to look for
[01:59:01] the gun.
[01:59:02] >> The bomb dogs didn't turn up with
[01:59:04] anything. And here is why that fact
[01:59:06] alone is remarkably suspicious.
[01:59:08] According to the police officers that
[01:59:10] were involved,
[01:59:11] >> according to the police officers that
[01:59:13] were involved, she's not making that up.
[01:59:15] She she very much has spoken to law
[01:59:18] enforcement there to tell her this
[01:59:20] story. And she explains how dogs are the
[01:59:24] most advanced technology. I'm sure
[01:59:25] you've seen it at finding things like
[01:59:27] gunpowder, trace residue of explosions,
[01:59:29] >> and came up dry until, fast forward, so
[01:59:34] many miracles in this story. Fast
[01:59:35] forward to when the feds arrive
[01:59:39] after the dogs fail to the corner with
[01:59:41] you dogs and the feds are here, the
[01:59:43] federal officers are going around and
[01:59:46] asking officers weird questions like,
[01:59:48] "Oh, how long have you been on the
[01:59:49] police force?" And what happens then is
[01:59:52] that federal officers direct three
[01:59:55] police officers who I'm told between the
[01:59:58] three of these officers, they had less
[02:00:00] than a year and a half on the force.
[02:00:03] Okay. Like these,
[02:00:04] >> which is interesting that they happened
[02:00:07] to choose all the newbies to go find the
[02:00:09] rifle.
[02:00:09] >> The officers are pretty spanking brand
[02:00:11] new just like everything else in the
[02:00:13] story. And the federal officers
[02:00:15] specifically direct them, check again
[02:00:18] over yonder. Check again. Yonder right
[02:00:21] over there. Because I just don't trust
[02:00:23] that super high-grade technology of a
[02:00:25] dog's nose that we have. And you you
[02:00:27] sir, you three go and see if there could
[02:00:31] be something over there.
[02:00:34] I We can't trust those 100,000 times
[02:00:36] stronger noses. Uh you're human. Take it
[02:00:39] on. Take on the task. And guys,
[02:00:42] you're not going to believe me. The nose
[02:00:44] that's trained to pick up gunpowder,
[02:00:46] explosive, combustible material, they
[02:00:47] get an F. But lo and behold, these
[02:00:49] police officers, Bam, there it is. The
[02:00:51] gun. We've got the weapon. Woo! There's
[02:00:56] no cheating here. We nailed it. We might
[02:00:58] as well get rid of these dogs, right?
[02:01:00] It's completely useless to have these
[02:01:02] dogs around. Yeah. So, that's pretty
[02:01:05] freaking interesting. That's quite the
[02:01:07] allegation.
[02:01:09] Unconfirmed. I don't know how I can't
[02:01:11] confirm it, but
[02:01:15] that's pretty suspicious.
[02:01:19] And today, actually, I should pull this
[02:01:21] up. Today, Liz Wheeler, Zio Schill, was
[02:01:25] on X
[02:01:27] talking about how
[02:01:30] Candace Owens acts like nobody who
[02:01:32] thinks Tyler Robinson is guilty is
[02:01:33] basing it solely only on the text
[02:01:34] message chain. She neglects to mention
[02:01:36] the strongest evidence against Tyler
[02:01:38] Robinson is Robinson's DNA, linking him
[02:01:39] to Charlie's murder. DNA consistent with
[02:01:42] Robinson's was found on the trigger,
[02:01:43] other parts of the rifle, the fired
[02:01:45] cartridge casing, two of the three
[02:01:46] unfired cartridges, and the towel. All
[02:01:49] of which are in the gun package, which
[02:01:52] allegedly was planted. That's what that
[02:01:56] allegation was, is that the rifle was
[02:01:58] planted, obviously.
[02:02:01] Very convenient.
[02:02:03] Very convenient. It's no mystery why
[02:02:06] Tyler Robinson's personal weapon would
[02:02:08] have a little bit of his DNA on it. It's
[02:02:11] no mystery why Tyler Robinson's towel
[02:02:14] would have his own DNA on it. Now, the
[02:02:16] bullets in the casings that might be,
[02:02:19] you know, that that is suspicious.
[02:02:20] That's interesting.
[02:02:22] Maybe he was actually engraving or
[02:02:24] drawing on bullets.
[02:02:27] That would be pretty suspicious. And
[02:02:29] that would lend credibility to Tyler
[02:02:31] Robinson being involved in the shooting.
[02:02:35] But it feels pretty sloppy to me. It
[02:02:38] feels pretty fed sloppy to me. So, let's
[02:02:42] check back in with Mike Glover because
[02:02:43] boy does Mike have some allegations,
[02:02:45] some new allegations. And
[02:02:50] I could say this,
[02:02:52] the day after I talked to a highlevel
[02:02:55] CIA
[02:02:58] official,
[02:03:01] very high, and he told me,
[02:03:05] I don't even know if I think you should
[02:03:07] absolutely say it. Um,
[02:03:11] he told me,
[02:03:12] >> say it,
[02:03:13] >> that
[02:03:14] the FBI is not cooperating with him.
[02:03:18] >> Chat thinks it's Joe Kent.
[02:03:21] Could be. I don't know if Joe Kent is
[02:03:23] technically CIA right now. I think
[02:03:24] technically he's
[02:03:27] ATF
[02:03:30] and
[02:03:30] >> or is he deputy? He is trying to
[02:03:32] corroborate potential foreign influence
[02:03:36] and was getting blocked out of every
[02:03:40] opportunity to confirm or deny that. And
[02:03:43] it was written off as no foreign
[02:03:47] influence.
[02:03:48] >> Joe Kent's national counterterrorism
[02:03:50] director. Um I don't know if that counts
[02:03:53] as CIA
[02:03:55] >> less than 48 hours in.
[02:03:58] And this guy has access to the president
[02:04:00] of the United States. Let's say this one
[02:04:01] more time.
[02:04:02] >> Operating with him
[02:04:05] and he is trying to corroborate
[02:04:08] potential foreign influence
[02:04:10] and was getting blocked out of every
[02:04:15] opportunity to confirm or deny that. And
[02:04:18] it was written off as no foreign
[02:04:21] influence less than 48 hours in.
[02:04:26] And this guy has access to the president
[02:04:28] of the United States. Mhm.
[02:04:30] >> And so for that to be said
[02:04:34] from the guy
[02:04:36] and asking me if I had anybody that I
[02:04:40] knew on the inside to be able to get
[02:04:42] information because he wasn't allowed to
[02:04:44] access it. I'm like, why are you calling
[02:04:47] me? Isn't that wild? Highlevel CIA, one
[02:04:51] of the top people at CIA
[02:04:53] is calling up retired Green Berets
[02:04:55] asking them if they have intel because
[02:04:57] he's not allowed to get intel. And this
[02:04:59] is just days after the shooting,
[02:05:02] which also confirms that right after the
[02:05:04] shooting, I've heard this from so many
[02:05:06] directions and so many good sources that
[02:05:09] right after the shooting, tons of people
[02:05:11] high up in the Trump administration in
[02:05:13] the intelligence apparatus immediately
[02:05:16] said the suspect is foreign governments
[02:05:20] and we all know which ones. that was
[02:05:23] that that has been reported from so many
[02:05:25] directions that that suspicion dropped
[02:05:27] into everyone's smarts minds at places
[02:05:30] like CIA, counterterrorism, DOJ,
[02:05:33] whatever.
[02:05:35] And this corroborates that, but it also
[02:05:38] adds that the FBI was blocking all of
[02:05:40] that.
[02:05:43] Tells me everything that I need to know.
[02:05:45] Well, so to me, here's where where I
[02:05:48] don't understand that is that you have,
[02:05:51] you know, Trump's handpicked guy running
[02:05:53] the FBI, right? And so if this guy has
[02:05:55] access to Trump also, doesn't that isn't
[02:05:58] that at odds? Like why why would the FBI
[02:06:01] being,
[02:06:02] >> you know, good headed by Trump's
[02:06:05] handpicked guy not be cooperating with
[02:06:07] somebody who also has access to Trump?
[02:06:09] Like where so where is the the conflict?
[02:06:11] >> That's the first question I asked. And
[02:06:14] what I got was
[02:06:17] God,
[02:06:18] >> it ought to be fine.
[02:06:20] Says the guy is the guy on the other
[02:06:23] side of the interview.
[02:06:24] >> Um, what I was told was
[02:06:29] the guy is already
[02:06:32] the guy's already bought.
[02:06:41] Let's hear this one more time. He's
[02:06:45] talking to a extremely senior CIA
[02:06:48] officer, access to the president, one of
[02:06:51] the most senior intelligence officials
[02:06:52] in the land.
[02:06:55] And that person says that cash is
[02:06:57] blocking
[02:06:58] other agencies investigations into
[02:07:01] foreign involvement in this case.
[02:07:04] He asks, "Isn't that weird?" And
[02:07:07] that highlevel CIA person, the CIA of
[02:07:11] all agencies,
[02:07:13] the people that specialize in
[02:07:14] compromising people, etc.
[02:07:19] That person said that Cash Patel has
[02:07:22] been bought
[02:07:27] a cash.
[02:07:29] Now, that is a spicy allegation.
[02:07:32] And Dan Glover is not making the
[02:07:34] allegation. Dan Glover's He's just
[02:07:36] saying, sorry, Mike Glover.
[02:07:39] I was just looking up Dan over here.
[02:07:41] Mike's just saying that that's what he
[02:07:42] was told.
[02:07:44] He's just sharing his anonymous source.
[02:07:49] And you make up your own mind about what
[02:07:51] you think about Cash Patel based upon
[02:07:52] what you've seen Cash Patel doing over
[02:07:55] the last several months. What you've
[02:07:57] seen Cash Patel doing around the Epstein
[02:08:01] files.
[02:08:06] But don't criticize his girlfriend,
[02:08:07] Alexis Wilkins, or you might get sued by
[02:08:10] Cash's lawyers, weirdly enough.
[02:08:14] >> And which guy's already bought?
[02:08:16] >> The FBI
[02:08:17] >> by somebody outside of the president.
[02:08:19] >> Don't know who that is, but basically
[02:08:23] he's
[02:08:24] >> probably Madagascar.
[02:08:26] I mean, if you look at what Cash has
[02:08:28] done, he's basically an eternal
[02:08:30] Madagascar shill. I bet he's covering
[02:08:32] everything up for Madagascar, don't you?
[02:08:36] >> Already been so heavily influenced by
[02:08:39] outsiders.
[02:08:41] um that
[02:08:45] it's a very good question that you would
[02:08:47] have a handpicked cabinet member from
[02:08:49] the DOJ,
[02:08:52] the head of the FBI, and then a
[02:08:54] handpicked cabinet member for an
[02:08:56] intelligence organization,
[02:08:59] not being able to interoperate together,
[02:09:02] why would you block them out? Well, one,
[02:09:05] if you were trying to compete with them
[02:09:07] and you wanted to be
[02:09:10] the the person that was positioning your
[02:09:14] organization
[02:09:15] to be above the rest. Like, why would we
[02:09:18] need the CIA? Because we the FBI runs
[02:09:22] the show. This is a domestic terrorist
[02:09:24] threat. But have you confirmed or denied
[02:09:26] that there's any foreign influence?
[02:09:28] Yeah, we did that. How can you do that
[02:09:29] in 48 hour? You can't do that is the
[02:09:31] answer in 48 hours. So, it's either
[02:09:35] external influence or a combination of
[02:09:38] that and
[02:09:40] protecting your organization because you
[02:09:42] are the show. And on game day, as it was
[02:09:47] advertised again in post press
[02:09:49] conferences,
[02:09:51] they did everything right.
[02:09:54] Yeah,
[02:09:56] we have a podcaster running the FBI.
[02:10:00] Totally uncompromised podcaster running
[02:10:03] the FBI.
[02:10:06] Totally straight and narrow.
[02:10:08] It's going great.
[02:10:10] Epstein totally killed himself. Never
[02:10:13] even trafficked anyone to anyone.
[02:10:16] Why would you even think otherwise? Are
[02:10:18] you anti-Semitic or did they? I I mean I
[02:10:22] don't know the answer to that. But what
[02:10:23] I do know is when the CIA is getting
[02:10:27] blocked out of even investigating
[02:10:30] foreign influence
[02:10:32] days after it happened without a proper
[02:10:35] investigation or without even
[02:10:36] cooperation with a proper investigation.
[02:10:39] That is a massive problem.
[02:10:41] >> Agreed. And and I guess you know if I'm
[02:10:44] in your shoes and I'm speaking with this
[02:10:46] higher up CIA guy that's telling me this
[02:10:48] but who also has access to the
[02:10:50] president.
[02:10:52] The way my mind immediately or where my
[02:10:54] mind immediately goes is why wouldn't
[02:10:56] you tell the president then that that's
[02:10:58] taking place and and and maybe he has.
[02:11:01] But if he has and the president isn't
[02:11:04] either a doing something about it or or
[02:11:06] making coordination happen to me you can
[02:11:09] deductively reason then that then that
[02:11:11] that would imply that the president has
[02:11:13] a part in it too. No, I mean or am I
[02:11:16] missing something?
[02:11:18] bro is asking the right
[02:11:21] questions.
[02:11:22] >> Well, I I think
[02:11:25] what I've gotten so far, and this has
[02:11:27] been a culmination of
[02:11:31] um someone in the chat asked, who's the
[02:11:33] podcaster? It is Mike Ritland,
[02:11:36] the Mic Drop Podcast.
[02:11:39] It's two mics sitting down. It's Mike
[02:11:41] Ritland and Mike Glover.
[02:11:45] drop a subscribe on him and support this
[02:11:47] work.
[02:11:48] >> Gabbard and many other people including
[02:11:52] Sarah Adams and Khaled
[02:11:55] um
[02:11:56] these intel experts that focus on
[02:12:00] understanding
[02:12:02] what's going
[02:12:03] >> The rest of this clip actually is not as
[02:12:05] relevant. So, we're going to skip to
[02:12:06] this one. But I I guess more
[02:12:09] specifically on your CIA contact, the
[02:12:12] FBI and the president
[02:12:13] >> because Mike comes back and he's like,
[02:12:16] "Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's just clarify
[02:12:17] this president Let's just clarify
[02:12:19] this president real quick because
[02:12:21] this is important."
[02:12:23] >> I guess if you can help me understand.
[02:12:26] >> I think they tried. I think he tried.
[02:12:28] >> Well, so again,
[02:12:29] >> nobody's listening.
[02:12:30] >> Well, I mean, but doesn't that tell you
[02:12:32] quite a bit though?
[02:12:32] >> Tells me a lot. You know, it's like, so
[02:12:34] then wouldn't the president either know
[02:12:36] something or have some involvement?
[02:12:38] Again, just deductive reasoning. It's
[02:12:40] like, if you tell somebody there's a
[02:12:42] problem and nothing
[02:12:44] nothing changes,
[02:12:46] why would nothing change?
[02:12:48] Um, I haven't actually watched this clip
[02:12:50] yet, but I bet it's relevant.
[02:12:53] I'd bet it's a good time to watch this
[02:12:55] clip
[02:12:57] that my boys sent over.
[02:13:01] recognize the Israeli sovereignty over
[02:13:03] the Golan Heights.
[02:13:07] And that's one they didn't even ask me.
[02:13:09] And I signed the Golan Heights, the
[02:13:12] rights to the Golden Heights over to
[02:13:13] Israel. Nobody thought that was possible
[02:13:15] to get. They've been working on it for
[02:13:17] 70 years, Mark. All they talked about
[02:13:20] was the Golan Heights, right, Jason?
[02:13:23] And nobody ever did anything. But I did
[02:13:25] it and we did it quickly. And I say,
[02:13:27] "Good luck to you." Then I found out the
[02:13:30] value of it. Trillions of dollars. It
[02:13:32] could be worth, if you think, trillions
[02:13:34] of dollars. I said, you know, maybe I
[02:13:36] should have asked him for something.
[02:13:39] But with Jared Kushner's help, Jared has
[02:13:41] been a great fan of Israel, the Kushner
[02:13:44] family.
[02:13:47] Yeah.
[02:13:50] And that's just one of many. We got lots
[02:13:52] of recent videos of Trump professing his
[02:13:55] dedication to Israel, his eternal
[02:13:57] dedication to Israel.
[02:14:02] Let me expand on this
[02:14:04] a little bit.
[02:14:07] That person sent
[02:14:09] several employees.
[02:14:11] >> Aden, you want to come up? Come up here.
[02:14:14] Miriam,
[02:14:15] >> sorry. Couldn't help myself.
[02:14:18] Muriam gave my campaign indirectly and
[02:14:21] directly
[02:14:22] 250 million. She was number one.
[02:14:26] When somebody can give you 250 million,
[02:14:29] I think that we should give her the
[02:14:31] opportunity to say hello.
[02:14:34] And Miriam, make it quick. Cuz 250
[02:14:37] million is not what it used to be. Okay.
[02:14:41] That's so funny.
[02:14:44] Oh my gosh. What a funny joke, you
[02:14:47] >> With a great husband, a man that loved
[02:14:52] >> Israel.
[02:14:54] >> Yeah. Totally American interests,
[02:14:58] right?
[02:15:00] Totally American interests. Dual
[02:15:03] loyalty. Don't ask that question. Don't
[02:15:06] even talk about dual loyalty, you
[02:15:08] racist. you anti-semmites
[02:15:11] >> is to analyze, assess and investigate
[02:15:16] that information in which they have
[02:15:19] access to.
[02:15:21] They sent them from DC to Provo Orm,
[02:15:26] Utah, 30 minutes down the uh down the
[02:15:29] the canyon from my house and all of them
[02:15:32] were denied access and told to turn
[02:15:34] around and get back on the plane and fly
[02:15:36] away.
[02:15:37] So, it wasn't just
[02:15:41] words
[02:15:42] and blockading or ignoring phone calls.
[02:15:45] It was a deliberate and intentional
[02:15:48] turnaround, which is one of the main
[02:15:51] reasons when I talk about it on on
[02:15:53] Survival Dispatch, I think it is a
[02:15:55] massive issue that is is nearly like the
[02:15:59] Epstein issue where there's so much
[02:16:02] convolution and corruption involved in
[02:16:05] all of the information that ever
[02:16:07] released would cause all this
[02:16:09] controversy, which is why the full GFK
[02:16:11] picture has not been presented as
[02:16:13] promised. Someone in chat just asked, I
[02:16:15] don't get it. Is it money? Is it
[02:16:17] blackmail? What's How do you control
[02:16:18] this many people this completely? Could
[02:16:20] be both. Could be threats.
[02:16:24] Could be threats.
[02:16:27] Where are all of Cash Patel's relatives?
[02:16:32] I don't know. Do any of Cash Patel's
[02:16:34] relatives live in India? Because it'd be
[02:16:36] pretty easy to hold a threat over
[02:16:38] relatives that live abroad.
[02:16:40] I think blackmail is a highly likely
[02:16:43] candidate. In my personal opinion, just
[02:16:45] my opinion,
[02:16:48] if when you look at Cash Patel, I think
[02:16:50] that man looks blackmailable as
[02:16:55] Yeah.
[02:16:57] Yeah.
[02:16:58] But I think it's different for
[02:16:59] everybody. And it's extremely complex.
[02:17:02] It's a complex web.
[02:17:05] Shame. Shame is how you do that. Yes.
[02:17:08] And shame on them.
[02:17:10] Shame on them.
[02:17:13] the full uh MLK picture, RFK picture has
[02:17:17] not been fully divulged as promised.
[02:17:20] It's because they're trying to protect
[02:17:23] us, that's their justification, from the
[02:17:26] information because it's a need to know
[02:17:28] and we don't have a need to know.
[02:17:32] >> Dude, that's terrifying.
[02:17:33] >> Scary. I I think it is.
[02:17:35] >> Yeah. I mean, like, if if your
[02:17:37] connection at the CIA is communicating
[02:17:39] that to the president and it's still not
[02:17:42] being fixed, that says a lot. When
[02:17:45] Charlie was the guy that got him into
[02:17:47] office,
[02:17:52] that's dark. Like, when you really think
[02:17:54] about the implications of all the things
[02:17:56] we've talked about just today and the
[02:17:58] people that are lying and the people
[02:18:00] that are covering it up, it gets really
[02:18:02] dark really fast.
[02:18:06] And I just keep thinking about what
[02:18:08] Candace said is like, was Charlie's life
[02:18:10] the Truman Show? Was anyone around
[02:18:14] Charlie real
[02:18:16] at all?
[02:18:21] And the more you actually learn about
[02:18:23] politics and meet politicians and meet
[02:18:25] the journalists and meet the people that
[02:18:27] are, you know, in this mainstream world,
[02:18:31] the more you realize that that is the
[02:18:33] rule, not the exception.
[02:18:35] >> Yeah. I mean, especially about the
[02:18:37] Charlie Kirk thing because
[02:18:40] there's only one reason that I can think
[02:18:41] of that you would possibly not fix that
[02:18:45] problem and it's that and and it's that
[02:18:48] if you didn't want that problem to be
[02:18:49] fixed.
[02:18:50] >> I am not suicidal.
[02:18:53] I've done I began insilocybin and in no
[02:18:55] way would I ever do anything to self
[02:18:58] harm myself.
[02:18:58] >> Well, same here for the record.
[02:19:01] Um,
[02:19:02] >> so the the million-dollar question or
[02:19:04] questions, do you think the identified
[02:19:07] shooter actually did it?
[02:19:08] >> The $6 million question, did Tyler
[02:19:11] Robinson do it?
[02:19:13] >> And or do you think uh there was foreign
[02:19:16] involvement? I don't know if you've
[02:19:17] followed up with any of the stuff that
[02:19:18] Candace Owens has been putting out.
[02:19:20] >> Yeah, I do.
[02:19:20] >> Of late about potentially some some
[02:19:22] French connection or or that there was a
[02:19:24] foreign connection of some sort. What do
[02:19:27] you think happened? Do you have a
[02:19:28] theory? My theory is he was the shooter,
[02:19:31] but there's a lot more involvement,
[02:19:33] including foreign adversaries. I look
[02:19:37] for people to write off the idea that
[02:19:40] there is no foreign influence at all in
[02:19:43] this particular case does not understand
[02:19:46] history or the world we live in today.
[02:19:50] having worked for the CIA, having worked
[02:19:53] for Special Operations Command at senior
[02:19:57] positions, briefing
[02:20:01] generals and deputy directors of the
[02:20:03] agency and a lot of influential
[02:20:05] politicians,
[02:20:08] being
[02:20:10] a person who advocated for the
[02:20:13] military's position in Libya, in
[02:20:15] Benghazi,
[02:20:16] and talking to members of Congress in
[02:20:19] investigations of all this. A
[02:20:22] whistleblower myself blacked out on Fox
[02:20:25] News post Benghazi saying that the
[02:20:29] military could have responded with Adam
[02:20:30] Hley.
[02:20:33] 100%
[02:20:35] foreign influence is likely the
[02:20:38] framework of how these things happen.
[02:20:41] Whether it was the Trump attempted
[02:20:42] assassination or our um assassination in
[02:20:46] Utah that killed Charlie Kirk,
[02:20:49] it's likely the case that there was some
[02:20:50] foreign influence in some way. What?
[02:20:55] Yeah, that sounds about right.
[02:20:58] Um,
[02:21:00] how far are we? What's our timing here?
[02:21:04] Cool. Um, I think I have a clip here
[02:21:06] where he actually gives the opposite
[02:21:08] perspective on the bullet that he thinks
[02:21:10] it's very possible that a 306 was used
[02:21:13] and caused the damage that we more or
[02:21:14] less know. I sort of doubt that he would
[02:21:16] agree with the leaked autopsy. I bet
[02:21:18] that he would. My my guess just guessing
[02:21:21] that he would think that autopsy
[02:21:22] probably sounds like but at
[02:21:24] this point we don't. Who trusts
[02:21:25] that autopsy? Um, so I think Mike
[02:21:27] actually is a you know a strong witness
[02:21:30] or expert testimony to the other side of
[02:21:33] the bullet theory. I'm not sure if
[02:21:34] that's in this clip or not.
[02:21:35] >> Was it an asset that was inside the
[02:21:40] chat groups that he was in who recruited
[02:21:43] him, influenced him, and then pushed him
[02:21:47] to do it? Who offered him material
[02:21:49] support? I That's my theory. I think
[02:21:52] that Lance Twigs was the target of that
[02:21:54] far more likely than Tyler Robinson.
[02:21:56] Lance Twigs is the one that has the
[02:21:58] profile that you go after on the
[02:22:00] internet. Lance Twigs is the unstable
[02:22:02] one. Lance Twigs is the one that
[02:22:03] disappeared. Lance Twigs is the one
[02:22:05] that's being protected. Lance Twigs is
[02:22:07] far more suspicious in terms of the
[02:22:09] groomed asset, possibly the blackmailed,
[02:22:13] extorted, threatened part of this thing
[02:22:16] than Tyler. To me, Tyler looks like the
[02:22:19] one that got snared by Lance Twigs one
[02:22:21] way or another. Whether he did so
[02:22:23] willingly and knowingly, or whether he
[02:22:26] got duped, or whether he just got
[02:22:28] straight up framed.
[02:22:30] Because the other thing that Lance Twigs
[02:22:32] has is access to the gun, access to the
[02:22:34] home, access to the towel, access to all
[02:22:36] of Tyler's access to Tyler's
[02:22:39] computers and phones. Probably had the
[02:22:41] passwords. At least I wouldn't be
[02:22:43] surprised if he did. And Lance Twigs
[02:22:46] gone, disappeared.
[02:22:49] He's a witness for the state, I guess.
[02:22:52] But we're not going to look into whether
[02:22:53] he was involved
[02:22:55] because of those text messages. Those
[02:22:57] are going to absolve him of guilt.
[02:22:59] Really? The actual trans one? The one
[02:23:03] that actually apparently allegedly was a
[02:23:05] total psychopath.
[02:23:09] Yeah, Lance Twigs feels like a very
[02:23:12] significant part of this whole thing.
[02:23:14] And yeah, I see in the chat I'm I
[02:23:17] wouldn't be surprised if we never see
[02:23:18] Lance Twigs alive again
[02:23:21] because if you sever that connection,
[02:23:24] you effectively jettison Tyler Robinson
[02:23:26] into the wind and you put the fear of
[02:23:28] God in him.
[02:23:30] if he catches wind that that might have
[02:23:31] happened if he can't get a hold of
[02:23:33] Lance.
[02:23:37] Yeah, that's the kind of thing that
[02:23:38] might make a person like Tyler shut the
[02:23:40] up possibly.
[02:23:44] I think that's what happened. And and
[02:23:46] people would say, "Well, that's not the
[02:23:48] Twitter just unlocked the ability for
[02:23:51] you to see where the accounts and the
[02:23:53] tweets are coming from." And would it
[02:23:56] surprise you that a lot of the
[02:24:01] vicious, toxic,
[02:24:04] volatile conversations that are created
[02:24:07] from the origin point are coming from
[02:24:09] overseas adversaries.
[02:24:12] Now, if you said that, you'd be like,
[02:24:13] "Yeah, yeah, I think that's the case."
[02:24:15] If I showed you where they're
[02:24:17] geoloccated and tagged on Twitter, then
[02:24:19] would you believe me? If I un unpacked
[02:24:22] the Twitter files and showed you all the
[02:24:23] polit political convolution between the
[02:24:27] government and private companies to
[02:24:29] suppress your voice, including mine and
[02:24:31] yours on YouTube and social media, would
[02:24:33] you believe me? If I showed it, would
[02:24:35] you believe me?
[02:24:36] >> Oh, we believe you, bro. You don't got
[02:24:38] to show us We believe you.
[02:24:41] >> We're in the middle.
[02:24:42] >> It's all there. And um I'm inclined to
[02:24:45] believe that that's what happened. any
[02:24:49] thought, guess theory as to what what
[02:24:52] foreign state sponsored actor or
[02:24:55] organization
[02:24:57] gives an interesting answer here and I
[02:24:59] don't know if his answer is him trying
[02:25:02] to not just say Israel or if it's his
[02:25:05] like legitimate full-on answer because a
[02:25:08] lot of times military guys have a much
[02:25:10] more broad perspective on global threat
[02:25:13] profiles of big nations and through
[02:25:15] their experience in the military often
[02:25:18] you know, are more aware of these big
[02:25:20] nations threat profiles and are more
[02:25:22] willing to see them as adversaries
[02:25:24] because they lived through a long
[02:25:26] experience of sort of the military
[02:25:27] posture towards those adversaries. But
[02:25:30] this is an interesting answer that's not
[02:25:32] what I would have expected if he's been
[02:25:34] following the story. I I I think and we
[02:25:37] know this for a fact that Russia, China,
[02:25:40] North Korea, and Iran are closer in
[02:25:45] talking, engaging, and working together
[02:25:48] than ever before in history. But I
[02:25:51] didn't want to cut off his answer and
[02:25:52] like cherry pick it to only show clips
[02:25:54] that support my narrative. I wanted to
[02:25:56] show his clip here and his his
[02:25:58] perspective on this. Um, but I I'm
[02:26:01] sorry, man. Like you think Russia, Iran,
[02:26:05] all them were trying to kill Charlie
[02:26:07] Kirk.
[02:26:10] out of all the things they could have
[02:26:11] spent this political capital on, this
[02:26:13] this assassination capital on as opposed
[02:26:16] to the nation he was sort of about to
[02:26:18] turn on, the nation that he was
[02:26:20] completely changing face on,
[02:26:23] you know, the one that had offered to
[02:26:25] take him to the next level and he turned
[02:26:26] them down, the one that he undeni like
[02:26:30] most certainly had all sorts of dirt on.
[02:26:33] Dang, Stacy, thanks for the subs.
[02:26:37] Uh, a lot of that because of the
[02:26:39] severing of diplomatic ties under the
[02:26:42] Biden administration.
[02:26:44] It could I I think it's everything they
[02:26:46] do. I think they have a joint task
[02:26:48] force. And I can't prove this. I haven't
[02:26:51] had intel that reports this, but I I
[02:26:53] believe if you're the bad guy, if you're
[02:26:57] the adversary, you work together. And
[02:27:00] that statement is exactly true for the
[02:27:02] deep state, the global western deep
[02:27:05] state of deep uh entrenched pieces of
[02:27:09] the CIA, the NSA, the FBI,
[02:27:13] MSAD, other Israeli intelligence
[02:27:16] services, 8,200, private assets
[02:27:18] scattered all around the globe that work
[02:27:20] with these dark elements of those
[02:27:22] groups.
[02:27:24] I would bet the Saudi intelligence has
[02:27:26] been in and out of there over the years.
[02:27:29] I bet there's a number of other nations
[02:27:30] and agencies and sort of splintered
[02:27:32] factions within the intelligence
[02:27:33] apparati of a lot of the big nations,
[02:27:36] France that are probably in that sort of
[02:27:39] deep state networking decentralized
[02:27:42] organized criminal cabal of
[02:27:45] permanent
[02:27:47] uh
[02:27:49] stateless governance. And when you work
[02:27:51] together, you have a combined joint task
[02:27:53] force that puts all your resources
[02:27:56] together and you tackle it. And they're
[02:27:59] strategic plan at the table is to burn
[02:28:03] America to the ground from the inside.
[02:28:05] And they're doing a really good job at
[02:28:07] doing it.
[02:28:09] >> Troubling times in the kingdom.
[02:28:12] >> Troubling times in the kingdom. Yeah.
[02:28:15] So, I think that we're gonna let that
[02:28:17] sit for Mike. Um, and we're going to
[02:28:21] lastly revisit
[02:28:24] our girl Erica. Back where this all
[02:28:26] started with Candace talking to Erica
[02:28:29] and trying to unpack
[02:28:33] why would Candace take this posture with
[02:28:34] Erica.
[02:28:37] Was she bought out? Was she compromised?
[02:28:40] No. No, she wasn't.
[02:28:43] And she watches all this reporting. It's
[02:28:45] just not her place to do it.
[02:28:47] She doesn't have the positioning and
[02:28:49] posturing to investigate Erica like this
[02:28:53] and she's very wise not to. Um, for that
[02:28:56] matter, I've not been super critical of
[02:28:57] Erica either because I don't know what
[02:28:59] the truth is and I've got other things
[02:29:02] to pay attention to and to dig into and
[02:29:04] everyone's noticing this kind of stuff.
[02:29:05] This stuff is coming out one way or
[02:29:06] another. You can't hide this kind of
[02:29:10] and this kind of is pretty wild.
[02:29:13] So, we'll go to our boy James Lee for
[02:29:16] some context
[02:29:19] and Kevin Phillips. I don't know about
[02:29:21] you, but that look
[02:29:25] Erica Kirk's backstory has just been
[02:29:27] exposed as a giant lie. Allegedly,
[02:29:30] >> when I lived out here, I was here for 5
[02:29:32] years. I never dated here cuz I saw
[02:29:34] vicariously through my roommate how
[02:29:36] terrible it was. I just I don't drink. I
[02:29:38] find it unproductive. We don't know for
[02:29:40] sure if she wasn't drinking, but she did
[02:29:42] really enjoy posing with alcoholic
[02:29:45] beverages. Here's her with a glass of
[02:29:48] champagne. It says, "It's Wednesday, so
[02:29:50] treat yourself to a little champagne."
[02:29:52] And did she really not date while she
[02:29:55] lived in New York City? Well, here is a
[02:29:58] photo that the internet sleuths dug up
[02:29:59] from September of 2017
[02:30:02] with one Cabbat Phillips. And the
[02:30:05] caption said, "Yes, we're that couple
[02:30:07] who gets painting lessons together." And
[02:30:09] here you could see Erica France and
[02:30:12] Cabbat Phillips. I don't know about you,
[02:30:14] but that looked like a little bit more
[02:30:16] than just a one-off date. It looked like
[02:30:18] they were an actual couple, as the
[02:30:19] caption said. But interestingly, Kabat
[02:30:22] Phillips was actually at one point
[02:30:25] Charlie Kirk's producer and he is now a
[02:30:28] senior editor at the Daily Wire. And
[02:30:31] just yesterday, December 16, 2025, he
[02:30:34] gave a talk about quote, "How to lead
[02:30:36] like Charlie." You got to understand, I
[02:30:39] am not from this world of media. And I
[02:30:41] think all this kind of incestuity
[02:30:45] is weird to me. So, not only do we now
[02:30:48] know that she was dating before Charlie,
[02:30:50] which is fine. It's a totally normal
[02:30:52] thing to do, but she was also engaged,
[02:30:55] perhaps even married. Luna Bear Studios
[02:30:58] posted this on March 16th, 2015,
[02:31:01] prepping another couple's gallery for
[02:31:03] delivery. Erica France and JT Massie,
[02:31:06] you both are amazing humans, and I love
[02:31:09] shooting you. So much laughter and love.
[02:31:11] It was perfection. This is what happens
[02:31:14] when your entire image is propped up by
[02:31:18] something that just is not true. If you
[02:31:21] are not this woman, don't pretend to be.
[02:31:24] But the bigger point is, why does Erica
[02:31:26] have to lie about this? Is it just for
[02:31:28] her to prop up this image that she is a
[02:31:32] conservative woman, quote unquote?
[02:31:34] Because you can't hide this kind of
[02:31:36] stuff. The internet is undefeated. Erica
[02:31:39] Kirk's backstory has just been
[02:31:41] >> Yeah.
[02:31:43] So, I'm just going to let James
[02:31:46] be the one that speaks on that one
[02:31:51] because ain't that interesting?
[02:31:55] If you're really paying attention, if
[02:31:58] you've really got your tinfoil out,
[02:32:01] there's a lot of other subtle stuff that
[02:32:03] that indicates
[02:32:05] about a lot of people in the in the
[02:32:06] story um that I got some questions
[02:32:10] about.
[02:32:12] I got some real questions about.
[02:32:20] But the internet's just doing its thing.
[02:32:22] We're just asking questions. And every
[02:32:25] new thing that gets put on the record
[02:32:27] adds to the ledger of statements of
[02:32:29] fact, of
[02:32:32] potential lies,
[02:32:35] of potential obfiscation.
[02:32:39] And every day to me it looks more and
[02:32:41] more like a cover up. And the response,
[02:32:44] the media response, the influencer
[02:32:46] response to that cover up, to push that
[02:32:47] cover up, to shame people that are
[02:32:49] asking questions, to shame journalists
[02:32:51] for doing journalism.
[02:32:55] It just gets more and more obvious every
[02:32:57] day.
[02:33:01] So that's where we stand. That's how I
[02:33:04] feel. I'm going to be watching Candace's
[02:33:06] every episode this week. I don't think
[02:33:08] you should take Candace's episodes as
[02:33:10] gospel truth. Do not be a cult. Don't
[02:33:12] just worship Candace. Candace is
[02:33:14] fallible. She's just a woman. She's just
[02:33:16] doing her best. Um,
[02:33:19] just think for yourself. Listen to what
[02:33:21] she says. Think critically. Do your own
[02:33:23] research. Look at other sources. See
[02:33:24] what the opposition says and stay
[02:33:27] rational and make your own judgments.
[02:33:29] But always remember in the modern
[02:33:30] information space that there are complex
[02:33:33] manipulation tactics being used. There
[02:33:35] are complex bot campaigns, there's
[02:33:38] complex misinformation campaigns,
[02:33:39] there's paid influencers, there's
[02:33:41] subversion at every level. Um, don't
[02:33:44] trust anyone. Think very carefully. And
[02:33:48] when you see
[02:33:50] narratives build
[02:33:52] with immense power out of nowhere,
[02:33:57] ask questions. Ask who's pushing this
[02:33:59] narrative? Where what is this narrative?
[02:34:01] Where did this narrative come from? Why
[02:34:03] are all these shills pushing it? Why are
[02:34:06] all these big Zio accounts pushing the
[02:34:08] same talking points right now today?
[02:34:11] Right? Think about the negative space
[02:34:15] and think about the positions that all
[02:34:17] the journalists are in and what they can
[02:34:19] and can't say, what they might and might
[02:34:21] not know
[02:34:24] because it's a delicate balance out
[02:34:25] here.
[02:34:29] So hopefully you all have your own
[02:34:31] opinions. I have my own opinions. I try
[02:34:33] my best to delineate when I'm sharing my
[02:34:36] opinions versus when I'm sharing
[02:34:37] information, evidence, and facts.
[02:34:40] I'm doing my best to learn in this
[02:34:42] environment how to do this job and how
[02:34:44] to do it in this environment and how to
[02:34:47] maintain integrity, but it's hard. It's
[02:34:50] complicated. Learning a lot. We're all
[02:34:53] fallible,
[02:34:55] right?
[02:34:57] Except for Israel. Israel is infallible,
[02:34:59] obviously. So,
[02:35:03] that is the end of our main show for
[02:35:05] today. That's the end of our main
[02:35:09] thread that we're going to line up. Um,
[02:35:12] I need to take a quick bathroom break.
[02:35:14] Um, I might see if Gigi needs to go out
[02:35:16] and I think what I'm going to do is I'm
[02:35:17] going to let you guys watch Valhalla for
[02:35:20] a second. If you want to hang out, if
[02:35:22] you're if you need to go and do stuff,
[02:35:23] that's cool, too. if you want to hang
[02:35:25] out and watch Vajala for a few minutes.
[02:35:26] I'll put him on and then I will be right
[02:35:29] back after that.
[02:35:32] Um, and we'll do a little bit more of a
[02:35:33] hangout, a little bit more of a chat.
[02:35:35] Um, I'll take some questions. We can
[02:35:37] kind of go wherever you guys want to go.
[02:35:39] Maybe we'll watch some more stuff. I've
[02:35:40] got time so I can do another, you know,
[02:35:42] 30 minutes to an hour maybe at the most.
[02:35:45] Um, so we'll see what happens. But for
[02:35:47] now,
[02:35:49] thanks for being here. Um, thanks for
[02:35:51] watching. Thanks for supporting. Thanks
[02:35:52] for subscribing. Thanks for sharing it
[02:35:54] with your friends. Thanks for being an
[02:35:55] awesome homie. And if that's it for you,
[02:35:58] then I'll see you on the next one. And
[02:36:00] if you want to stick around after the
[02:36:02] break and I'll see you on the other
[02:36:04] side. Let me get our boy queued up. Um,
[02:36:11] and I will be right back. We got a new
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[02:36:16] stoked about it. legitimately gonna be
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[02:36:27] Anyway,
[02:36:29] they just showed up. All right. Uh let
[02:36:30] me get back to what I was doing. We'll
[02:36:32] we'll talk about that in future
[02:36:33] episodes. So, again, Tyler Robinson.
[02:36:36] Here he is. Well, who again? Is this
[02:36:39] him? I don't know. I don't know,
[02:36:43] guys. This is the best we have.
[02:36:45] This is This is a like every goddamn
[02:36:48] 22-year-old white college kid that
[02:36:50] exists looks like this. But again,
[02:36:53] nothing here.
[02:36:55] We know here as we move forward, nothing
[02:36:57] in the jeans. Nothing up the back. That
[02:37:00] was another thing. It was like, oh, it
[02:37:01] was halfway down his legs and then that
[02:37:04] the gun was coming up his back and
[02:37:05] that's why we couldn't see it. There's
[02:37:06] no 306 here. This tiny little backpack.
[02:37:09] Look at this thing. this little 20-in
[02:37:10] backpack that supposedly
[02:37:14] supposedly he's got a 44 in 300 6 broken
[02:37:18] down into three pieces that somehow is
[02:37:21] fitting in this even though it probably
[02:37:23] I don't know how long a mouser barrel
[02:37:24] is. I'm assuming around like 22 in.
[02:37:26] Correct me if I'm wrong on that. Not
[02:37:29] going to fit in here. This is backpack's
[02:37:30] not big enough to fit a broken down 30
[02:37:33] six. It's just not objectively right. Um
[02:37:37] oh, here we go. Here's the other one.
[02:37:38] So, remember we showed you and this is
[02:37:41] how I'm proving this with the legs. You
[02:37:42] see the left leg? See the big bend here?
[02:37:45] There's no way you could have a gun
[02:37:46] there. Even a small caliber gun. You
[02:37:47] couldn't even fit an AR-15 there. Okay.
[02:37:49] We see the back. Then we also see the
[02:37:53] left, see the left leg here, the left
[02:37:55] leg bent at a 90°. So, we've seen both
[02:37:58] the right leg, both the left legs bent
[02:38:00] at a 90°. You couldn't do this with a 30
[02:38:02] odd six here. Your leg wouldn't bend.
[02:38:04] We've seen that it's not up his back. We
[02:38:06] have objectively proved whoever this
[02:38:09] person is, this isn't my opinion, this
[02:38:11] is objective based off of this footage.
[02:38:13] If this is who supposedly went to the
[02:38:15] roof, he does not have a 306 with him.
[02:38:20] This is not up for discussion. This
[02:38:22] isn't my opinion.
[02:38:24] This is objectively true. This guy,
[02:38:27] whoever he is,
[02:38:30] does not have a 306 with him. Maybe at
[02:38:33] best case is he's got a broken down
[02:38:35] AR-15. Still would be tight. Still would
[02:38:39] be tight. But we know this person. And
[02:38:42] again, here's another one of him from
[02:38:44] the front. You can see his guys. You can
[02:38:46] see his phone.
[02:38:48] This tiny little phone here. Looks like
[02:38:50] probably a Samsung Galaxy even. There's
[02:38:52] no there's no uh there's no 300 6. Also,
[02:38:56] does this even look like him?
[02:38:59] I mean, to me, I'm not even sure it
[02:39:01] looks like him at all.
[02:39:04] Like, this doesn't to me, this doesn't
[02:39:06] even look like Tyler Robinson.
[02:39:07] Hold on. Let me uh
[02:39:12] let's pull this up.
[02:39:16] Port pictures.
[02:39:19] It's not Dude, it's completely different
[02:39:21] colored hair. This kid has light brown
[02:39:23] hair. Pull this. Look at his hair.
[02:39:29] and the country, even the world watching
[02:39:31] as Charlie's.
[02:39:33] >> Listen to these people. Come on, give me
[02:39:34] a better picture. Hold on. Let me find a
[02:39:36] better picture of uh old Tyler here.
[02:39:41] Um, stand by one because this actually I
[02:39:44] think is important. That that kid in
[02:39:46] that picture has black hair.
[02:39:48] Black hair.
[02:39:50] And Tyler Robinson
[02:39:56] has light brown hair. Actually pull this
[02:39:59] up right here.
[02:40:05] God damn. So they're all videos.
[02:40:06] I don't want videos. I want pictures.
[02:40:11] Hold on. Let's do this.
[02:40:14] Is that going to do it? Okay, here we
[02:40:15] go. So this is Tyler Robinson.
[02:40:21] This dude has light brown hair.
[02:40:26] Okay, now let's go back to the picture
[02:40:31] of
[02:40:33] uh the dude we just saw, whoever this
[02:40:36] guy is.
[02:40:36] >> Yep, Nate,
[02:40:39] that's a good point.
[02:40:40] >> This dude has black hair legitimately.
[02:40:43] And this is good enough. I can see the
[02:40:45] pigmentation color of his skin. Remember
[02:40:49] to drink water, eat healthy food, do
[02:40:51] healthy things for yourself, tell people
[02:40:52] you love them, be nice. Um, be the kind
[02:40:55] of person that you'd want your nation to
[02:40:56] be made out of, and all together will
[02:40:59] hopefully pull this back out from
[02:41:02] hell. And hopefully at least fix the
[02:41:05] world a little bit for our kids. So, I
[02:41:08] appreciate you all for being here, and
[02:41:09] I'll catch you guys on the next one.
[02:41:12] >> Theories are entering a danger.
[02:41:14] Information is the oxygen of a
[02:41:17] democracy.
[02:41:18] >> There's so much evidence out there that
[02:41:20] even if less than 1% is true,
[02:41:23] >> that will be enough to collapse the
[02:41:25] current paradigm and change the whole
[02:41:28] planet.
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