Young Women Are Becoming More Radical Every Year: What's Driving This Trend and How Can WE Combat It

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[00:00:50] It's great to have you. uh you uh we we [00:00:53] talked earlier this morning just [00:00:54] prepping for this. There was a Bill Aman [00:00:58] tweet where political scientists data [00:01:01] quants have been telling us this for a [00:01:03] half decade. Women have moved radically [00:01:05] leftward at a scale and speed with no [00:01:07] modern precedent while men have on the [00:01:09] whole remain largely steady and [00:01:11] unchanged. you and and Bill Aman asked [00:01:14] the question why and you responded and [00:01:17] you wrote this uh really amazing article [00:01:19] that went viral across the internet. I'd [00:01:21] never seen your account before that but [00:01:23] now I've seen you multiple places. [00:01:24] You're now in the algorithm everywhere. [00:01:26] So congrats on breaking through and uh [00:01:28] so please welcome to the show and tell [00:01:30] us uh give us the basis of your your [00:01:32] thesis here. [00:01:36] >> Well, thanks for having me. It's a it's [00:01:38] a pleasure to be here. Uh my thesis, I [00:01:41] don't know. Uh personally speaking, I [00:01:43] don't think I've enlightened uh people. [00:01:47] I mean, I just tried to put together [00:01:49] things that I thought were known. But um [00:01:53] first, I'm really glad that it was well [00:01:55] perceived and well received. But my my [00:01:58] core thesis is that because of some [00:02:02] reason, there was this convergence of [00:02:04] different technologies that allowed this [00:02:06] to happen. [00:02:08] And the the the reason for these [00:02:10] happening is that uh men and women are [00:02:13] just uh fundamentally different and we [00:02:17] can't really do anything about this. [00:02:19] >> A shocking statement. [00:02:20] >> We evolved under different [00:02:23] apparently. Yes. But biological men, [00:02:27] biological women are fundamentally [00:02:29] different and um we evolved after under [00:02:34] different kind of selection pressure [00:02:36] under kind of evolutionary pressure that [00:02:39] we're very different and that's because [00:02:41] we're biological different. I mean we [00:02:43] are a dorphic species. We evolve as men [00:02:46] and women and we have very different [00:02:49] kind of characteristics like just uh I [00:02:53] mean on a very simple level in terms of [00:02:56] strength and so women need more defense [00:02:59] and men don't necessarily have this. So [00:03:02] women to be protected they need [00:03:04] something that keeps them safe. And once [00:03:07] the the the safety lacks because they [00:03:10] don't have I would say strong a good man [00:03:12] in their life then they need to find [00:03:14] protection and safety into the into the [00:03:17] group and this when technologies as like [00:03:22] social media and uh smartphones are are [00:03:25] available then the consensus comes from [00:03:28] the group like the group gives you the [00:03:29] consensus gives you this this protection [00:03:31] and so it's much more easy for them to [00:03:33] be polarized because they need to be in [00:03:36] agreement with the group to feel a sense [00:03:38] of belonging. [00:03:41] >> Yeah. And you say you you describe [00:03:42] social media, the rise of social media [00:03:44] as basically the triggering event. And [00:03:47] when I thought this is something that [00:03:48] I've thought for a long time. So to your [00:03:50] earlier point, these are ideas that that [00:03:53] I've sort of known and I've I've been [00:03:55] thinking around, but you you concisely [00:03:57] put it into this one article and it's [00:04:00] basically like you got Facebook launched [00:04:01] in 2004. It was college until 2006. the [00:04:05] iPhone launches in 2007, but then in [00:04:08] about 2012, 13 and 14, you have mass [00:04:11] adoption of smartphones. And that's [00:04:13] about when you start seeing this really [00:04:17] radical divergence. And it's not just an [00:04:19] American phenomenon. This what you point [00:04:20] out in in graph 355. [00:04:23] >> This is and we I believe we showed this [00:04:25] graph when when Charlie was was around [00:04:28] with us and he he marveled at this as [00:04:30] well. So South Korea, US, Germany, UK, [00:04:32] you get this massive divergence between [00:04:35] men and women. Now this graph sort of [00:04:37] makes it look like men are getting more [00:04:38] right rightwing, but actually the data [00:04:41] shows that men are sort of staying [00:04:42] stable. Me women are becoming uh more [00:04:46] radicalized. But you describe the [00:04:48] forcing function as that the internet is [00:04:50] a giant algorithmic consensus builder. [00:04:54] What do you mean by that? And why does [00:04:56] that affect women more than men? [00:05:00] Well, because I so it's it's common to [00:05:03] blame social media and people who design [00:05:06] social media, Facebook or whatever, but [00:05:09] I don't think that social media wants [00:05:11] this to happen or at least the owners of [00:05:13] social media want this to happen is that [00:05:15] the the platform have to be optimized [00:05:18] for engagement and time spent on the [00:05:21] platform. So like if you want to create [00:05:24] revenue as a business, you need to [00:05:25] optimize the time that people spend [00:05:27] using your business. And in case of [00:05:29] social media, they need to spend time on [00:05:31] it. And men and women react differently [00:05:34] to different news. And women are like [00:05:37] this is known that we have different [00:05:39] personalities. Women are more [00:05:40] empathetic. Women are more agreeable. [00:05:43] Women have a higher neuroticism. So, um, [00:05:46] a news and and an event that makes them [00:05:49] feel more empathetic and and and present [00:05:52] some kind of suffering is, [00:05:55] um, resonates more with women than than [00:05:58] with men. And still going back to the [00:06:01] fact that women are physically weaker [00:06:04] than than men, women are easier to [00:06:07] complain than men. Like we grow up and [00:06:09] like it's it's always been known that if [00:06:12] a man was complaining, he had to grow a [00:06:15] pair and just men up. [00:06:18] >> Women are allowed to to complain and [00:06:20] they they do complain more on social [00:06:22] media. So social media wants to keep the [00:06:24] audience, keep their their client and [00:06:27] the users. [00:06:29] And so like I think it's just inevitable [00:06:31] that if the technology is not aligned [00:06:33] with the the the substrate of of humans [00:06:36] which is biology this this happens. [00:06:40] >> But that's I think the natural followup [00:06:42] Victoriao. So if this is driven by [00:06:45] smartphones which are not going away and [00:06:46] if it's driven by social media which is [00:06:49] not going away is is there a solution to [00:06:52] this or are we essentially are we kind [00:06:55] of screwed? Are we basically going to be [00:06:57] dominated by whatever ideological [00:07:00] contagion sweeps through with the [00:07:03] algorithm and takes a majority of women [00:07:06] along with it and they're half the voter [00:07:07] base? [00:07:10] Uh I don't know if I should black pill [00:07:12] or white pill, but I think that um like [00:07:16] we we saw and there is another graph in [00:07:18] in the article that shows that married [00:07:20] women don't respond in this way and and [00:07:23] women with children tend to be more [00:07:26] conservative and less um radical. So, [00:07:30] one solution would be to bring back [00:07:32] families and to have more kids because [00:07:35] the the biggest problem is that again [00:07:36] women are more empathetic and so once [00:07:38] you show them um the suffering that is [00:07:41] happening at 10,000 miles away, they [00:07:44] will feel as if it's happening to them [00:07:45] or close to them. But once they're [00:07:48] married and they have good men in their [00:07:50] life, then they tend to follow. And if [00:07:53] once they have kids, then they tend to [00:07:55] focus more on the kids. And that's just [00:07:58] again it's natural. is evolutionary for [00:08:00] them. So by I don't know pushing more [00:08:04] for marriage and bringing back the [00:08:05] marriage institution which is not just a [00:08:08] legal document that you can sign and [00:08:09] just null the next day and making like I [00:08:14] don't know I'm I'm I'm Christian and so [00:08:15] for me marriage is sacred and is an oath [00:08:18] uh that you make in front of God so you [00:08:20] cannot go back to your word and I also [00:08:23] do think that that's the reason why it [00:08:24] was set up in that way because you [00:08:26] should not be allowed to go back from [00:08:28] your your promise But by making it so [00:08:32] like no fault divorce and so easy to to [00:08:34] resend then people are like if it's just [00:08:37] a piece of paper what's the point of [00:08:38] doing that and so I do believe that by [00:08:41] bringing back and trying to reestablish [00:08:44] the institution of of marriage and and [00:08:46] and pushing for more kids which again [00:08:48] this is the black field because the the [00:08:50] next problem is that people are not [00:08:52] having kids but I do think that in terms [00:08:55] of the radicalization it there is a [00:08:57] solution now the solution has its own [00:09:01] Yeah. So, Victoria, I love this part. [00:09:02] So, listen, we our audience, we have a [00:09:04] lot of Christian conservatives that may [00:09:06] not even ascribe to evolution, right? [00:09:08] So, I'm not even getting into that, but [00:09:10] the way you word it, I just wanted to [00:09:11] preface that. You could just believe [00:09:13] that God made men and women different [00:09:15] and for different functions and forms. [00:09:17] And this this your point still works. [00:09:19] You said men face different pressures. [00:09:21] Hunting parties gone for days, [00:09:22] exploration, combat. You had to tolerate [00:09:24] being alone, disliked, outside the group [00:09:26] for extended periods. Men who could [00:09:28] handle temporary exclusion without [00:09:30] falling apart had more options, more [00:09:31] risk-taking, more independence, more [00:09:33] ability to leave bad situations. And you [00:09:35] said uh but women [00:09:37] evolved in environments where social [00:09:39] exclusion carried enormous survival [00:09:41] costs. You can't hunt pregnant. You [00:09:43] can't fight nursing. Survival required [00:09:46] the trib's acceptance. And so what [00:09:48] you're doing is you're you're sort of [00:09:49] showing that there's just form and [00:09:51] function between male and female are [00:09:53] different. And Blake, I love this [00:09:54] because and I instantly thought of you [00:09:55] when I was reading this because you you [00:09:57] were the one that kind of I think [00:09:59] solidified this even with Charlie that [00:10:00] women's part of women's social roles are [00:10:02] norm enforcers, consensus builders. This [00:10:05] is sort of the way that they're [00:10:06] hardwired. And then when you combine [00:10:08] that natural form and function with an [00:10:11] algorithm that pushes them and builds [00:10:13] consensus further and further and deeper [00:10:15] and deeper, this is where you start [00:10:17] seeing the two sexes diverge and depart [00:10:19] and this chasm is formed. And I just [00:10:22] think it's I think it's a really [00:10:24] powerful uh explanation. And then you [00:10:26] pair that with Helen Andrews and the [00:10:29] radical feminization of the workplace [00:10:31] and other things, you start seeing why [00:10:32] these larger cultural trends are taking [00:10:35] root. If you agree, Blake, but it's it's [00:10:38] very interesting because I just it's [00:10:41] kind of funny. It's like how do we fix [00:10:42] this? Well, we just have to fix [00:10:43] marriage. [00:10:45] >> Yeah. No fault divorce. [00:10:47] >> Oh, yeah. Just get rid of no fault [00:10:48] divorce. It's it's very tough and not [00:10:50] the least because the people we kind of [00:10:52] need to save with this I think are the [00:10:53] most likely to fight against