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[00:00:20] I just wanted to say that I'm not angry, [00:00:22] but I'm angry at the system. You know, [00:00:24] my situation was transactional. You [00:00:27] know, looking back at it, and I want to [00:00:30] thank you, Candace, for giving me the [00:00:31] opportunity to speak. I I just want to [00:00:35] say something very clearly. I believe [00:00:37] women should be heard, but I'm [00:00:39] wrongfully convicted. You know what I [00:00:41] mean? And right now, I'm not convicted. [00:00:43] I'm on a retrial. I was my an appeal [00:00:47] overturned my conviction. But justice [00:00:50] demands a clear, honest look at each [00:00:52] case. And I am here for fairness and the [00:00:56] truth. You know what I mean? You know, I [00:00:58] made mistakes. There's no question about [00:01:00] it. I hurt my family. I hurt my friends. [00:01:03] I cheated on my wife. And that was a [00:01:06] mistake, you know, a terrible mistake. [00:01:08] And I apologize to friends, family, and [00:01:11] all the innocent people who [00:01:13] inadvertently I hurt. And especially to [00:01:16] the Messic family, Jill Messik and her [00:01:18] family. But I did not commit these [00:01:21] crimes. I swear that before God and the [00:01:23] people watching now and on my family. [00:01:26] I'm wrongfully accused. But justice has [00:01:29] to know the difference between what is [00:01:31] immoral and what is illegal. [00:01:35] H people would say my complaint is you [00:01:38] know I mean you [00:01:40] know I just okay getting emotional [00:01:45] everyone deserves a fair trial media [00:01:48] doesn't favor me thank but thanks to you [00:01:51] Candace there's a voice out there and [00:01:53] Joe Rogan and uses every opportunity the [00:01:57] mainstream media to discredit me but I [00:02:00] speak for innocent [00:02:01] people justice has to matter. Evidence [00:02:05] has to matter. I've lost everything. You [00:02:08] know, I mean, I've lost everything a man [00:02:09] can lose, but still the truth matters. [00:02:12] I've been condemned of crimes I did not [00:02:14] commit. I understand why people want [00:02:17] someone to blame, but I am telling the [00:02:21] truth. End of statement. Uh, end of [00:02:26] glasses. [00:02:29] And uh and they allowed me to wear a [00:02:31] suit today, you know, as opposed to the [00:02:33] last time I was in my t-shirt and [00:02:36] pajamas. So, they wanted me to wear a [00:02:38] suit. So, here it is. Well, you look [00:02:41] like you're hanging in there. And I got [00:02:42] to tell you, since you've been in there, [00:02:44] the media world has changed. Definitely [00:02:46] the I think a world that you had a lot [00:02:47] of power in. You can see the landscape [00:02:49] has changed. And it's a good thing [00:02:51] because podcasters like me can have a [00:02:52] platform to take a look at situations [00:02:54] like yours. And um you know, my audience [00:02:57] is very aware of my opinion on this [00:02:59] case. I've been very clear about that. I [00:03:00] don't find a reason to lie. I said you [00:03:02] were wrongfully convicted before it got [00:03:04] overturned and I believe you are [00:03:06] wrongfully accused not just in the New [00:03:07] York case but also in the LA case. Um [00:03:10] which my audience is now up to date on. [00:03:12] You know, Harvey, I I obviously because [00:03:15] I very much agree with you. I think you [00:03:17] are immoral. Um and what you did was [00:03:19] wrong, but you did not do anything that [00:03:21] came close to what you were accused of [00:03:22] under the law. Um, I just want to just [00:03:25] ask you what is it like to to go from [00:03:28] someone who commanded so much power [00:03:30] amongst politicians and amongst [00:03:32] celebrities and athletes and overnight [00:03:36] virtually none of those people stood up [00:03:39] for you or said, "Hey, I I don't believe [00:03:41] that this is right." [00:03:44] It's shocking, you know. Um, the friends [00:03:47] that stayed with me were my friends that [00:03:49] I grew up with. The people that I knew [00:03:52] before I was famous, before I had power. [00:03:56] The people in my life who were steadfast [00:03:59] all through my life were the ones who [00:04:01] remain loyal. Everybody was scared. You [00:04:05] know, this looked like, you know, a [00:04:08] witch hunt. Everybody was scared for [00:04:10] themselves. Everybody was scared to be [00:04:12] cancelled. you know, somehow, you know, [00:04:15] I wish this would have happened to [00:04:17] somebody else because I had the courage [00:04:20] to have to to to have fought on somebody [00:04:23] else's behalf, but nobody fought on [00:04:26] mine. Do you know Harvey, I I have a [00:04:28] long list of people who came out against [00:04:30] you, but a very short list of who [00:04:32] actually spoke out for you. One person [00:04:33] in particular, which is quite stunning, [00:04:35] a guy by the name of Luciano Garriani, [00:04:38] uh, an Italian director. He he wore a [00:04:40] homemade t-shirt in support of you in [00:04:42] 2018 that said that you you were not [00:04:46] guilty. That was the only person that I [00:04:47] could find that vocally supported you um [00:04:50] when all of the heat was coming down on [00:04:52] you in 2018. [00:04:54] He's a terrific director and uh um and [00:04:57] that's I'm very much appreciate it. But [00:05:00] the people who support me are scared to [00:05:02] talk. They are frightened to death. they [00:05:05] are frightened that they're going to be [00:05:06] cancelled, that they're not going to be [00:05:08] able to work. You know, I try to get, [00:05:11] you know, my, you know, people to stand [00:05:14] up and even testify in the trial and [00:05:17] um nothing, you know, nothing. And and [00:05:21] jumping into that, by the way, some of [00:05:22] the names, there were people who I think [00:05:25] remained silent for that reason that [00:05:26] you're saying, is they were fearful of [00:05:28] being cancelled. But some people took it [00:05:30] upon themselves to come out and actually [00:05:31] condemn you and to say awful things [00:05:33] about you. And people, the media was [00:05:37] obsessed with speaking about Gwennneth [00:05:39] Paltro. I don't know if you know this. [00:05:40] She went on Howard Stern and basically [00:05:43] made a very strong statement against you [00:05:46] and said that B Brad Pitt had to [00:05:48] effectively rescue her from you and [00:05:50] stand up to you because you made her [00:05:52] feel so uncomfortable. [00:05:55] We had one instance in a hotel room [00:05:58] where he tried to where he made a pass [00:06:00] at me and then I really kind of stood up [00:06:04] to him. I told my boyfriend at the time, [00:06:07] Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt, we were at a um [00:06:11] the opening of Hamlet on Broadway that [00:06:13] Rafe Fines was in Hamlet and and Harvey [00:06:16] was there and Brad Pitt, it was like the [00:06:18] equivalent of throwing him against the [00:06:20] wall, you know, energetically. What he [00:06:22] did was he leveraged his fame and power [00:06:26] to protect me at a time when I didn't [00:06:28] have fame or power yet. Right. Wow. It [00:06:33] moves you. Yeah. It was It was [00:06:36] fantastic. He said, "If you ever make [00:06:39] her feel uncomfortable [00:06:41] again, I'll kill you." Or something like [00:06:43] that. [00:06:45] It's a complete [00:06:47] fabrication, you know, about my [00:06:49] relationship with Gwennneth. You know, [00:06:51] I'm going to talk about it and just say [00:06:55] that I had a meeting with her. You know, [00:06:58] she originally was scheduled to do Woody [00:07:00] Allen's Everyone Says I Love You. Thank [00:07:03] God I was distributing that movie as [00:07:05] well. And I managed to substitute Drew [00:07:08] Barrymore for Gwennneth so that [00:07:10] Gwennneth could play Emma. And I Woody [00:07:13] Allen did us a real favor by doing that [00:07:16] because we were scheduled to shoot Emma [00:07:18] and I wanted Gwennneth for the role. At [00:07:21] the end of the meeting, we had a glass [00:07:22] of champagne. I as I was walking out the [00:07:25] door, I said to her, "I'd love you to [00:07:27] give me a massage." And she went, [00:07:30] "Yeah." And you know, that was it. I [00:07:33] didn't put my hand on her. I didn't [00:07:34] touch her. I definitely made a pass, I [00:07:37] guess. You know, you could call it that. [00:07:40] But that was the sum total of that [00:07:43] situation. She did have Brad call me and [00:07:46] Brad very manly, very cool. Just said, [00:07:50] "Don't do that again." And that was [00:07:52] that. We made 11 movies together, [00:07:55] classic films, Shakespeare and Love, [00:07:57] Talented Mr. Ripley, Sliding Doors, just [00:08:00] so many great movies and such a great [00:08:03] partnership. And now I heard, you know, [00:08:05] that she thought the relationship was [00:08:07] abusive. Anybody who was there who [00:08:10] witnessed that relationship would it [00:08:13] just turned into total friends. I [00:08:16] there's pictures of her hugging me when [00:08:18] I was sick when I had when I was sick [00:08:21] and in the hospital and didn't think I [00:08:24] was going to make it in 1999. Gwennneth [00:08:26] at the Golden Globe said bomber we miss [00:08:29] you. She got up and made a speech about [00:08:31] me. Nobody asked her to do that. In her [00:08:35] academy speech she thanks me. She's the [00:08:38] daughter of a wealthy TV producer, a [00:08:41] great man, and Ble Danner, a great [00:08:44] actress with Steven Spielberg as her [00:08:46] godfather. She doesn't have to do. She [00:08:49] could have just said, "Harvey asked me [00:08:50] for massage. I'm never working for him [00:08:52] again." Okay. If you consider yourself [00:08:54] to be pro-life, here's a wakeup call for [00:08:56] you. Despite the overturning of Roie [00:08:58] Wade, overall abortions increased nearly [00:09:00] 1% last year. So, what does this look [00:09:03] like? 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[00:10:22] He made a pass at me and I didn't like [00:10:23] it, right? or you know, I turned him [00:10:26] down and or maybe I had a bad date with [00:10:28] someone with rape and and this is very [00:10:31] problematic. And sure, she can say that [00:10:34] I didn't like that he made a pass at me, [00:10:36] but to jump on a train when people are [00:10:38] saying I've been raped, I think it's [00:10:41] irresponsible for women to do that. I I [00:10:43] really do think it's irresponsible for [00:10:44] people to be conflating being hit on and [00:10:47] not liking it, which you've admitted to. [00:10:49] And I've been raped. [00:10:52] No question about it. It's all conflated [00:10:55] and it's all led to the idea that I am [00:10:58] going to be the one they prosecute. I am [00:11:01] going to be the one they persecute. [00:11:03] Look, when the case was overturned, they [00:11:05] could have dropped it, but they didn't. [00:11:07] You know, they just went after me one [00:11:10] more time and added somebody to it. But, [00:11:13] you know, I can't talk about the case. I [00:11:16] I can just, you know, um talk to you [00:11:19] about the things that you need to talk [00:11:20] to me about, right? I totally understand [00:11:22] that. And I'm not going to push you on [00:11:24] that because one thing one thing one [00:11:26] thing I do want to say is I've asked to [00:11:28] have lie detector tests brought into the [00:11:31] prison and I already took a lie detector [00:11:34] test on Jessica man and I scored in the [00:11:37] highest level you know that one can do [00:11:39] for honesty about not sexually [00:11:41] assaulting her or raping her you know [00:11:44] and I want to do lie detector tests on [00:11:46] the others. I know they're not [00:11:47] admissible, but I want the world to know [00:11:49] that I did that. And I hope the women [00:11:52] would just take me up on the challenge [00:11:54] and say, "Okay, we'll do it, too." But I [00:11:57] doubt they will, but I will. Yeah. And I [00:12:01] think that was one of the things that [00:12:02] stunned me is that they didn't report a [00:12:04] lot of this stuff in the press. And when [00:12:06] I looked at this case and I said, "If [00:12:08] you're a journalist and you're just [00:12:09] interested in anything, why would you [00:12:10] leave out these big details?" He passed [00:12:12] a lie detector test. Um, the things that [00:12:15] the court was not allowing to be uh [00:12:18] shown as proof of your innocence in the [00:12:20] courtrooms were something that also [00:12:22] stunned me, particularly involving the [00:12:23] LA case, which I fully expect to [00:12:26] similarly be overturned. Um, it [00:12:28] definitely looked like the Me Too [00:12:30] movement got so big that they needed to [00:12:32] say sort of hang somebody, you know, [00:12:34] somebody's got to die so that we can [00:12:36] move on and think that we've achieved [00:12:38] social justice. And I think that that [00:12:39] somebody was definitely you. Um 100 [00:12:43] 100%. You know, they wanted me and they [00:12:45] wanted me in jail forever. Yeah. And I [00:12:48] it's it's quite stunning because I think [00:12:52] now, and maybe you recognize this, the [00:12:55] Me Too movement is on its way out if [00:12:56] it's not officially gone now. And people [00:12:58] are willing to sort of look and examine [00:13:00] the facts of this case. And I'm [00:13:02] wondering if a lot of these celebrities, [00:13:04] I just give you an example here. Seth [00:13:05] Rogan came out when things were [00:13:07] happening between you um happening with [00:13:09] you and he said, "I believe all women [00:13:11] coming forward about Harvey Weinstein's [00:13:13] sexual harassment. It took bravery to do [00:13:15] so." Such a blanket statement to just [00:13:17] say, "I believe all women." That was [00:13:19] kind of what was being said in 2017 and [00:13:22] 2018. Like women have never told a lie, [00:13:26] you know. Um I I can you know, Seth, you [00:13:29] know, and I made a movie together called [00:13:31] Zach and Murie Make a Porno. It was a [00:13:34] Kevin Smith film and it didn't do well [00:13:37] and I think you know sometimes you blame [00:13:41] the producer or the distributor and in [00:13:43] this case they blamed me and uh it was a [00:13:47] good movie and I wish I could have [00:13:48] marketed better but I couldn't find the [00:13:50] handle on it and uh um so I think there [00:13:54] was never there was always animosity [00:13:56] between Seth and myself so given the [00:13:59] opportunity he took a shot at me and you [00:14:03] know so be But I hear he's doing great [00:14:05] work on this, you know, uh I read about, [00:14:08] you know, that he's doing amazing work [00:14:10] on this TV series he has called The [00:14:12] Studio and he's an extremely talented [00:14:15] individual, but you know, I was a [00:14:17] sitting duck. Yeah. And look, a lot of [00:14:20] these people I I think it was step on [00:14:22] his head while he's drowning and it will [00:14:23] help you. And I'm sure their PR agents [00:14:25] were saying, you don't want to get [00:14:26] caught up in this. Make the right [00:14:28] statement or you're going to get burned [00:14:30] by this. Um, but I like I said, some [00:14:32] people took it, I think, a bit further. [00:14:34] You and I had discussed, and I don't [00:14:36] know if you're willing to talk about [00:14:36] this, but you know, Brad Pitt kind of [00:14:38] got involved in a Me Too project after [00:14:40] this, uh, kind of got involved in a Me [00:14:42] Too movement, a movie, so to speak, [00:14:44] helping to produce one. And you and him [00:14:46] had a very close relationship. [00:14:48] Well, I wouldn't say it was close, but [00:14:50] it certainly was friendly. And I guess [00:14:53] his company produced She Said the uh New [00:14:56] York Times uh writers and uh and they [00:15:00] produced the movie and I can you know I [00:15:03] you know I just when it came out you [00:15:06] know obviously I was concerned but it [00:15:08] bombed so badly there was no interest in [00:15:10] it. what it grossed 2.5 million. It was [00:15:12] a $30 million movie, something like [00:15:15] that. Or maybe that between advertising [00:15:17] and the cost of the film and the movie [00:15:20] grossed $2.5 million it opening weekend, [00:15:23] which is disaster. I think it went on to [00:15:26] gross four or five million. So maybe it [00:15:29] showed there's no interest in me, but [00:15:31] there certainly was no interest in the [00:15:32] case. And um the New York Times, you [00:15:36] know, um those writers I I have read [00:15:40] something that is so explosive and such [00:15:42] a bombshell that a young writer named [00:15:45] Clark [00:15:46] Patterson, conservative, you know, with [00:15:49] the guts to write an article about what [00:15:51] happened to me at the New York Times, a [00:15:54] detailed pointby-point article showing [00:15:58] the that there was no reporting that [00:16:01] they were taking dictation [00:16:03] When they said she said, they meant it. [00:16:06] She said we wrote it down. We never [00:16:09] checked it. Rose McGawan said, you know, [00:16:12] I I donated money to an organization. [00:16:16] They never checked, you know, that she [00:16:18] did that, you know, uh uh they never [00:16:21] checked, you know, the these different [00:16:23] things and followed up and did the [00:16:26] research before they wrote the article. [00:16:29] Ashley Jud's claims are, you know, [00:16:32] ridiculous. I I stood in a hotel room [00:16:35] with I never touched her, came on to [00:16:38] her, nothing ever, you know, I fought [00:16:41] for her. They said I banned her on a [00:16:43] movie. I fought for her on Goodwill [00:16:45] Hunting and I lost that battle. I [00:16:47] thought she would have been fabulous in [00:16:49] that movie and I think she would have [00:16:51] gotten an Oscar nomination. But, you [00:16:53] know, people could forget all it is is [00:16:56] research. There's an article in the [00:16:58] Washington Post, if you Google Ashley [00:17:01] Jud and Harvey Weinstein, and said that [00:17:04] Ashley Jud gushed all over me at the [00:17:07] English patient Oscar party. There's a [00:17:11] picture of me holding her hand. And when [00:17:14] she went on TV, she said, "See, he's [00:17:16] pulling me. He's pulling me." I was just [00:17:19] holding her hand, pushing her into the [00:17:21] party, you know, bringing her in. But [00:17:24] you know, but Diane Sawyer and those [00:17:27] people at that time, you believed it [00:17:30] because everybody believed those people, [00:17:33] you know, at that moment, you know, the [00:17:35] New York Times believe no research, no [00:17:38] research whatsoever. I hope this article [00:17:42] blows the whole place up, you know, and [00:17:45] uh and and and that the Pulit surprise [00:17:48] people reconsider. [00:17:50] You know, Harvey, I think it's perhaps [00:17:53] more sinister than you even think [00:17:55] because and this is we're similarly [00:17:57] following a case with Blake Lively and [00:18:00] it is a case of she said the New York [00:18:02] Times I think even worse than that they [00:18:06] wanted to go after this guy. They had [00:18:08] friends at the New York Times. The exact [00:18:10] same woman who won a Pelitzer, one of [00:18:12] the three people who won a Pelitzer for [00:18:14] taking you down, Megan Tui was the one [00:18:16] who wrote this piece about Justin [00:18:17] Baldoni. And I when we got the full [00:18:21] details, gratefully Brian Freriedman, [00:18:23] and this would have been my legal [00:18:25] strategy had I have been your lawyer, [00:18:27] just dropped every possible detail for [00:18:29] the public to be able to read. It is I [00:18:33] think personally there should be laws. A [00:18:34] journalist should have to go to prison. [00:18:35] I mean, if you're putting people in [00:18:36] prison on the basis of what you write, [00:18:39] it just would follow to me that somebody [00:18:42] would have to suffer the consequence of [00:18:45] lying. These are lies by omission and [00:18:48] painting people as, you know, sexual [00:18:50] harassers or worse than that, rapists [00:18:53] because you're maybe doing a solid for [00:18:55] your friend, which is what it's looking [00:18:56] like the New York Times was doing for [00:18:58] Blake Lively and Ryan. Mhm. And perhaps [00:19:01] bigger people behind them. Have you [00:19:03] considered the angle, uh, Harvey, that [00:19:05] these are big bosses, WME bosses are the [00:19:09] people who want to buy a piece of your [00:19:10] company. Have you made somebody angry? I [00:19:13] think that there might have been [00:19:14] something more behind the takedown of [00:19:16] you because I I can't comprehend it. It [00:19:18] just doesn't make sense to me. Well, I [00:19:21] don't know. I think, you know, um, with [00:19:24] the New York Times, you know, I think [00:19:26] the relationship was always rocky [00:19:29] because I wanted, you know, I mean, the [00:19:32] New York Times to cover the things that [00:19:33] I wanted and I wanted the New York Times [00:19:36] not to cover some of the things, too. [00:19:38] So, it was a back and forth [00:19:40] relationship. And I, you know, on one [00:19:42] level, I had a great relationship, you [00:19:44] know, with the owner, but the owner of [00:19:46] the paper, you know, has a firewall [00:19:49] between him and the editorial. my, you [00:19:51] know, there were editorial back and [00:19:53] forth. I I guess they didn't like me and [00:19:55] they wanted me and I was a good target [00:19:58] for them. How do you think she then won [00:20:00] a Pelitzer? That's what's stunning to [00:20:02] me. It kind of makes the entire system [00:20:04] fraudulent because to to win a Pelitzer, [00:20:07] it has to you such detailed. You looked [00:20:09] at every angle. You've explored every [00:20:10] case. I mean, I barely looked at this [00:20:12] case before I realized something was [00:20:14] very wrong. And I thought you were [00:20:15] guilty, by the way. When we you and I [00:20:17] first got on the phone, I just said I [00:20:19] don't even remember what he was in [00:20:20] prison for, but there were so many [00:20:22] articles that surely somebody did the [00:20:24] due diligence and noticed that he was [00:20:27] guilty or or confirmed that. And it was [00:20:29] I mean an hour reading into these [00:20:31] transcripts and I went, "What what's [00:20:33] going on here?" [00:20:35] Well, this young man, Clark Patterson, [00:20:38] has a detailed article coming out which [00:20:40] will detail piece by piece, you know, [00:20:43] every name, every story, every [00:20:46] everything that they did and everything [00:20:48] they didn't do as reporters. And it is a [00:20:52] stunning piece and it's I hear it's [00:20:54] going to be published soon. I don't know [00:20:56] where, you know, I mean, but I've just [00:20:58] heard through the grapevine, but uh and [00:21:01] I read a preliminary article and uh you [00:21:05] know, I'm excited, you know, I mean, to [00:21:06] have that out and I hope the New York [00:21:08] Times restates its case so I can sue [00:21:11] them for defamation. Absolutely. And a [00:21:14] question for you, Harvey. You know, [00:21:16] somebody was on the red carpet all the [00:21:19] time, flying to premieres, flying [00:21:20] private, commanding so much respect in [00:21:24] the industry. What is a day in your life [00:21:26] like now?