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[00:00:00] Well, there's a lot going on tonight uh
[00:00:02] around the world, certainly here in the
[00:00:04] United States, but foreign policy has
[00:00:06] got to be the headline tonight. And in
[00:00:07] order, here's what's happening. We're
[00:00:10] awaiting what look like imminent strikes
[00:00:12] on Iran. Have no idea actually whether
[00:00:16] those will happen or not, but all signs
[00:00:18] indicate something is coming. And
[00:00:20] certainly momentum is in that direction
[00:00:22] and events tend to follow momentum
[00:00:24] almost independently of the judgment of
[00:00:26] people who are in charge. Um, so it
[00:00:28] looks like we will be striking Iran or
[00:00:31] doing something there. A B, it looks
[00:00:34] like the United States will be taking
[00:00:36] Greenland from Denmark, which sort of
[00:00:38] owns it. There are pictures this
[00:00:40] afternoon of a kind of sad looking
[00:00:42] Danish president or king or Amir or
[00:00:45] potentatorate or what, whoever runs
[00:00:47] Denmark. Oh, how the Scandinavians have
[00:00:49] been diminished. Leaving the White House
[00:00:51] looking kind of sad. So, looks like the
[00:00:54] news has been delivered to him. Sorry,
[00:00:56] no more Denmark for you. Nuck is now an
[00:01:00] American protectorate. And then of
[00:01:02] course there's Venezuela.
[00:01:05] Venezuela, as you well know, was uh
[00:01:08] changed. It was regime change sort of um
[00:01:11] shortly after New Year's by the Trump
[00:01:13] administration and the then leader
[00:01:15] Nicholas Maduro and his wife were
[00:01:17] extradited. Some say kidnapped and moved
[00:01:19] to New York. They'll be put on trial, we
[00:01:20] are told. And so there's that. and that
[00:01:23] country and the rest of the world are
[00:01:24] trying to figure out like what are the
[00:01:25] implications of this and what happens to
[00:01:27] Venezuela next. You have those top three
[00:01:30] and of course you pray sincerely and you
[00:01:32] hope and sometimes you tell yourself
[00:01:33] that everything's going to be completely
[00:01:34] fine and it may be completely fine by
[00:01:36] the way we don't know any differently
[00:01:38] but you also assess downside risk.
[00:01:42] What are the potential downside risks
[00:01:43] without getting into too much detail? Of
[00:01:45] course they exist. There's downside risk
[00:01:46] in every human action. And in the case
[00:01:49] of a strike on Iran, you know, the
[00:01:51] country could fall apart and become
[00:01:52] Libya, which is kind of a big deal given
[00:01:54] its geographic location, given its
[00:01:57] energy reserves, and given the region.
[00:02:00] You could see Iran strike out at Israel,
[00:02:03] for example, uh to such an extent with
[00:02:06] conventional weapons that the Iron Dome,
[00:02:07] the fabled Iron Dome, does not protect
[00:02:09] Israel's two largest cities, and a lot
[00:02:11] of Israelis get killed. You could see
[00:02:12] that for sure. That's not a crazy thing
[00:02:15] to worry about. You could also see
[00:02:16] attacks against energy infrastructure in
[00:02:19] the Gulf, right across the water from
[00:02:21] Iran, the six Gulf countries that
[00:02:24] produce a lot of the world's energy, oil
[00:02:26] and gas, and you could see those taken
[00:02:27] out. That's possible. They have air
[00:02:29] defenses in their energy facilities. But
[00:02:32] how good are they? We don't know. We
[00:02:33] could find out. And if that happened,
[00:02:35] you would see an oil shock, which would
[00:02:37] lead to a global economic shock of
[00:02:39] unknown proportions. But that's never
[00:02:41] good.
[00:02:43] in Greenland. What are the downsides of
[00:02:45] taking Greenland? Well, you establish a
[00:02:47] precedent that if I have the power, I
[00:02:48] get to take what I want. That's always
[00:02:50] been enforced. That's human nature.
[00:02:52] We've constructed a kind of elaborate
[00:02:55] series of rules, theoretical rules
[00:02:58] designed to pretend that's not true and
[00:02:59] to mitigate it to some extent uh over
[00:03:01] the last 80 years. Um, but really that's
[00:03:04] always been true and always will be
[00:03:05] true. But that's a pretty tough game
[00:03:08] once you write the rules that if someone
[00:03:10] can take something because they want it,
[00:03:11] it's okay. You have to live with them.
[00:03:14] NATO will effectively be done.
[00:03:17] How can you have a defensive alliance
[00:03:19] when one member acts against another?
[00:03:21] Probably can't. NATO is going out
[00:03:23] anyway. Is it really bad that NATO is
[00:03:25] going away? No. It's a huge victory for
[00:03:27] the world and for the United States, but
[00:03:29] it's going to be tough for its many
[00:03:30] employees and for the entire
[00:03:32] infrastructure of foreign policy
[00:03:35] thinkers such as they are in Washington
[00:03:37] and Brussels and throughout Europe.
[00:03:41] They're going to have to face the
[00:03:42] reality that this is not a real thing
[00:03:44] anymore. If NATO was real, then the US
[00:03:46] wouldn't have taken Greenland. So,
[00:03:48] there's that apparently a downside. And
[00:03:50] then in Venezuela, the downside is
[00:03:52] obvious. You could have chaos. You could
[00:03:53] have a black hole. You could have a
[00:03:54] migrant crisis. Once again, the energy
[00:03:56] infrastructure could be destroyed.
[00:03:59] You could see a move against the
[00:04:01] government that we effectively left in
[00:04:03] place. Sort of weird to think that a lot
[00:04:06] of people in Washington are rooting for
[00:04:07] Deli Rodriguez, the apparently the head
[00:04:10] of state now, who's a accoly of Hugo
[00:04:12] Chavez. But she also represents
[00:04:14] stability and at this point stability is
[00:04:17] what people want most. So, those are the
[00:04:19] kinds of things that people who think
[00:04:20] about this stuff uh for a minute are
[00:04:23] concerned about. Maybe not panicked, but
[00:04:25] definitely concerned.
[00:04:27] But none of those concerns comes even
[00:04:31] close
[00:04:32] to what's happening in Eastern Europe,
[00:04:35] what's happening between Russia and
[00:04:37] Ukraine.
[00:04:40] Russia, and prepare yourselves because
[00:04:42] this is the global headline. Russia is
[00:04:45] actively considering the use of nuclear
[00:04:48] weapons against Europe, not against
[00:04:52] Kiev, against Europe, specifically
[00:04:56] the UK and Germany. Just taking out the
[00:05:00] UK and Germany with nuclear weapons.
[00:05:03] That's a fact. Now, we're going to
[00:05:06] explain why we know that that's true in
[00:05:09] a moment. And at the end of this open,
[00:05:12] we're going to play an interview that we
[00:05:14] did a few hours ago with a man called
[00:05:16] Sergey Karnag, who is a longtime
[00:05:21] political adviser to Vladimir Putin and
[00:05:23] one of the most famous public
[00:05:24] intellectuals in Russia, been around for
[00:05:26] about 35 years,
[00:05:28] advised Boris Yeltson, you know, 30
[00:05:31] years ago, more than 30 years ago. Um,
[00:05:34] and in that interview he says point
[00:05:36] blank, "Yes, if the Ukraine war
[00:05:39] continues at this tempo for a year or
[00:05:42] two more, we
[00:05:44] speaking apparently on behalf of the
[00:05:46] Russian government, on behalf of his
[00:05:48] friend Putin, or at least someone who's
[00:05:49] very familiar with President Putin's
[00:05:51] thinking, we Russia will eliminate the
[00:05:55] UK and Germany with nuclear weapons."
[00:05:58] Now, that's a headline. No one wants to
[00:06:01] see Qatari gas wellheads blown up. No
[00:06:06] one wants to see killing of any kind or
[00:06:08] destruction of any kind. But taking out
[00:06:10] the two most important countries in
[00:06:13] Europe, both of which have big
[00:06:17] American bases, lots of American
[00:06:19] personnel, of course, international
[00:06:21] banking.
[00:06:23] uh Germany being the economic engine of
[00:06:25] Europe, London being the banking center
[00:06:28] of Europe of the really of the west
[00:06:29] along with New York and of course these
[00:06:32] are two ancient countries with which we
[00:06:35] have close ties history and kinship and
[00:06:38] genetics.
[00:06:40] We're going to take them out. We're
[00:06:42] going to eliminate those countries with
[00:06:43] nuclear weapons. Saying that right into
[00:06:45] camera. So that's a pretty big story.
[00:06:48] Have you read that story? Has anyone
[00:06:50] mentioned that to you?
[00:06:53] That the most famous public intellectual
[00:06:56] in Russia, a close friend of Vladimir
[00:06:59] Putin's, exactly the same age. The two
[00:07:01] were born a month apart, have known each
[00:07:03] other a long time, is saying in public
[00:07:06] that Russia plans to use nuclear weapons
[00:07:09] against Western Europe. Russia is going
[00:07:12] to blow up the UK and Germany if things
[00:07:15] don't get resolved soon. You probably
[00:07:16] haven't heard that. hasn't actually been
[00:07:18] on the front page of the New York Times.
[00:07:20] I don't think the Times of London has
[00:07:21] mentioned it. No one seems to be paying
[00:07:23] any attention at all to
[00:07:26] the biggest story of our lifetimes
[00:07:29] potentially. And that's very odd. And
[00:07:30] it's not just one guy who's friends with
[00:07:32] Putin who's saying this. If you watch
[00:07:36] carefully, or not even carefully, with
[00:07:37] one eye open at what Russia's been doing
[00:07:39] recently, things are changing.
[00:07:43] So Russia has publicly
[00:07:45] rewritten its nuclear strategy to
[00:07:48] include use of nuclear weapons against
[00:07:51] countries that are acting as proxies for
[00:07:54] nuclear armed powers. Now this is kind
[00:07:55] of classic Russian bureaucratic talk.
[00:07:57] But it means that under Russian law,
[00:08:01] Russia is permitted to by its own rules
[00:08:04] blow up Germany even though Germany does
[00:08:06] not have nuclear weapons. The UK
[00:08:08] supposedly does. Wonder whose hands
[00:08:10] they're in. But Germany does not have
[00:08:12] nuclear weapons and Russia has just said
[00:08:14] no, you're fair game for a nuclear
[00:08:15] strike and not a so not a defensive
[00:08:18] nuclear strike like you launched us,
[00:08:20] we're going to launch against you. No,
[00:08:23] you keep poking us in the face and we're
[00:08:25] going to eliminate you. Said that
[00:08:26] publicly. And then last week, a week
[00:08:28] ago, I think a week ago today,
[00:08:31] Russia sent hypersonic missiles into
[00:08:34] Kiev
[00:08:36] into Kiev, Ukraine.
[00:08:39] Now, the hypersonic missiles killed
[00:08:41] probably four people. This was not an
[00:08:44] attack designed to destroy important
[00:08:47] infrastructure or to cause massive
[00:08:50] civilian casualties. This was an attack
[00:08:51] designed as a message. And the Russians
[00:08:53] just said this point blank. This was an
[00:08:56] attack designed to say, "Whoa, you've
[00:08:59] pushed us too far. We feel like our core
[00:09:02] interests, our existential interests are
[00:09:03] threatened. And if you don't back off,
[00:09:06] the next hypersonic missile we send
[00:09:08] against which no country has any
[00:09:10] meaningful defense. You can't stop a
[00:09:11] hypersonic missile. No one has even
[00:09:13] claimed that you can.
[00:09:17] The next one will have a nuclear warhead
[00:09:19] on it and it's coming at you, Europe.
[00:09:22] So, let's just think this through for a
[00:09:24] sec. Why would Russia, which is
[00:09:26] supposedly in this bitter war against
[00:09:28] Ukraine, being backs stopped by NATO and
[00:09:30] and the US, etc., etc., but they're
[00:09:31] fighting Ukraine over territory, why
[00:09:34] would Russia be threatening Europe?
[00:09:38] Ah, because the Russians, whatever their
[00:09:41] faults, don't lie to themselves
[00:09:44] as aggressively as we do. And the
[00:09:47] Russians are saying out loud what is
[00:09:49] absolutely true about this war, which is
[00:09:51] it's a proxy war. It is not a war
[00:09:53] between Russia and Ukraine, and it never
[00:09:56] has been. And nothing that's happened in
[00:09:58] Ukraine since the fall of the Soviet
[00:10:00] Union 35 years ago has really been about
[00:10:02] Ukraine.
[00:10:04] There has been a global scramble to
[00:10:06] control Ukraine, its land, its
[00:10:09] resources. There are other reasons
[00:10:10] people want to control Ukraine that are
[00:10:12] not directly related to land or
[00:10:13] resources that have to do with history.
[00:10:16] But in any case, non Ukrainians have
[00:10:19] been calling the shots in Ukraine for 35
[00:10:22] years. That's what Maidan was. That's
[00:10:24] what the coup, the US back coup was.
[00:10:26] None of this had anything to do with
[00:10:28] Ukraine. What's best for Ukraine, we're
[00:10:30] going to make Ukraine a sovereign
[00:10:32] nation. The opposite has happened.
[00:10:33] Ukraine has less sovereignty. Ukraine is
[00:10:36] more of a puppet. And Ukraine has
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[00:12:00] does. But first, just to show you how
[00:12:04] completely this war is being controlled
[00:12:07] from the outside on behalf of outside
[00:12:10] non- Ukrainian interests for reasons
[00:12:12] that have nothing to do with what's good
[00:12:13] for Ukraine. I want to show you the
[00:12:16] following clip. And by the way, if you
[00:12:17] just want to prove the point, how many
[00:12:19] Ukrainians have been killed in this war?
[00:12:20] Paid for by the West, paid for by NATO
[00:12:23] and the and Joe Biden. No one knows.
[00:12:27] Hundreds of thousands. Obviously, it's
[00:12:28] depopulated the country, but nobody
[00:12:30] cares. And you would think that if we're
[00:12:34] waging a war on behalf of the
[00:12:35] freedomseeking people of Ukraine,
[00:12:39] if we love the Ukrainians so much that
[00:12:41] we're willing to send them hundreds of
[00:12:42] millions of dollars and our best CIA
[00:12:45] targeters and willing to put biolabs in
[00:12:48] their country to defend them from
[00:12:50] Russian aggression, you would think if
[00:12:52] we love them that much, we might keep a
[00:12:54] tally of how many of them have been
[00:12:55] killed in the prime of life on the flat
[00:12:59] landscape of Ukraine. But of course, no
[00:13:02] one's keeping score because nobody
[00:13:04] cares.
[00:13:07] The people running this war on the
[00:13:09] western side have zero interest in what
[00:13:13] it costs Ukraine. None. Because it was
[00:13:16] never about them in the first place. And
[00:13:18] now to the promised clip. This was shot
[00:13:20] about 10 years ago. We just saw it. And
[00:13:23] it's an amazingly instructive piece of
[00:13:25] videotape. Now you will see and you will
[00:13:27] recognize immediately the Hungarian man
[00:13:30] on the left that would be Mr. George
[00:13:31] Soros, one of the world's most
[00:13:33] successful financiers,
[00:13:36] I think, as he's euphemistically
[00:13:37] described, a guy whose bet against
[00:13:39] national currencies, really done nothing
[00:13:42] to make the world a better place or to
[00:13:43] improve the lives of individuals, has
[00:13:45] only sown chaos and hatred and violence
[00:13:49] really for the length of his
[00:13:50] professional life. For whatever reason,
[00:13:52] whatever motive might be animating him,
[00:13:55] he is on the left. On the right is a
[00:13:57] woman called Christian Freeland. She's
[00:13:58] not Ukrainian either. She's from Canada.
[00:14:02] She's from Alberta, Canada. She spent
[00:14:04] the bulk of her career as a journalist
[00:14:06] working for Reuters and other news
[00:14:08] organizations, news organizations like
[00:14:10] that, both in London and in Washington,
[00:14:12] where we spent quite a bit of time with
[00:14:14] her.
[00:14:15] And then she became the deputy prime
[00:14:18] minister of Canada under Justin Trudeau.
[00:14:22] H and an economic pooha. And if you're
[00:14:26] interested in how well she did, well,
[00:14:28] you can just look up facts about the
[00:14:29] current state of the Canadian economy.
[00:14:31] Not very well. But here's the
[00:14:33] interesting thing. Just recently,
[00:14:35] Christia Freeland, who again is not
[00:14:39] a product of she didn't grow up in
[00:14:40] Ukraine. She grew up in Canada and lived
[00:14:43] in London and Washington.
[00:14:46] Christian Felin is somehow working for
[00:14:49] president, unelected president Zalinski
[00:14:52] in Ukraine, who himself is not really
[00:14:53] that Ukrainian, grew up speaking
[00:14:56] Russian. He's a citizen of the world
[00:14:58] like she is, like they all are. But
[00:15:02] she's now an unpaid economic adviser to
[00:15:05] Ukraine. Unpaid,
[00:15:08] right? Okay. They're divying up the
[00:15:11] natural resources of a country they know
[00:15:13] will soon collapse with no regard for
[00:15:15] the people who've been killed,
[00:15:17] of course. But here is Christopher
[00:15:20] Freeland and George Soros 10 years ago
[00:15:24] talking about Ukraine and in so doing
[00:15:28] giving the game away. Watch this.
[00:15:30] >> Yeah. And I will just offer my own
[00:15:32] personal testimony here. It's actually
[00:15:35] amazing in Ukraine. the new Ukrainian
[00:15:38] government, the new Ukrainian
[00:15:40] leadership, everyone who I know in that
[00:15:43] group has been touched somehow by open
[00:15:47] society and by Jordan like literally
[00:15:50] either people personally got a
[00:15:51] scholarship or someone, you know, their
[00:15:54] wife got a scholarship. It it's a really
[00:15:57] remarkable thing. Well, this was a for
[00:16:00] me uh quite an experience uh to see this
[00:16:05] and I I didn't realize actually uh uh
[00:16:09] how much how big an effect it has had
[00:16:13] over a 25 year period because those were
[00:16:16] students uh 25 years later they were
[00:16:20] leaders.
[00:16:24] Everybody she knows in Ukrainian
[00:16:26] leadership says Christian Freeland.
[00:16:28] Everybody has taken money from George
[00:16:31] Soros or their wives have taken money
[00:16:33] from George Soros. Everyone running the
[00:16:36] country is actually employed by this
[00:16:40] Hungarian billionaire who's got nothing
[00:16:42] to do with the country.
[00:16:45] Oh, no one would admit that now. That's
[00:16:48] a conspiracy theory. But George Soros
[00:16:51] smiled and took credit for it. Of
[00:16:53] course, we had no idea how successful we
[00:16:55] were.
[00:16:56] Successful at what? What was the plan
[00:16:59] here?
[00:17:01] You put everybody in a country's
[00:17:03] leadership on your payroll. To what end?
[00:17:06] What were you trying to achieve?
[00:17:08] Well, I guess we could debate what
[00:17:11] Soros's motives were at the time, but we
[00:17:13] don't need to because as we know, the
[00:17:16] purpose of a system is its outcome.
[00:17:21] Over time, we don't have to guess about
[00:17:25] why certain people or certain
[00:17:27] organizations exist. We can instead look
[00:17:30] at what they do. We can judge the tree
[00:17:34] by its fruit. And the current state of
[00:17:37] Ukraine was clearly
[00:17:41] the point all along. destroy the
[00:17:44] country, depopulate it,
[00:17:47] change the laws that prevent foreigners
[00:17:50] from buying its natural resources, its
[00:17:52] land, some of the most fertile farmland
[00:17:54] in the world, huge tracks of it. It's an
[00:17:57] enormous country. It's the biggest
[00:17:58] country in Europe, also the weakest and
[00:18:01] the most corrupt. Many people doing this
[00:18:03] had ancestors in Ukraine. So, there very
[00:18:06] much is a sense that, wait a second, you
[00:18:08] know, this is ours, too. Christopher
[00:18:09] Freeland had ancestors from Ukraine. A
[00:18:12] lot of people involved in making policy
[00:18:15] about Ukraine had ancestors in Ukraine.
[00:18:18] And so there is a kind of entitlement
[00:18:20] that you see on display. No, no, this is
[00:18:21] an interest. Of course, we have a right
[00:18:23] to weigh in on this,
[00:18:26] but not for the benefit of the
[00:18:28] Ukrainians.
[00:18:30] Really, all of this is about taking what
[00:18:34] once belonged to the country they
[00:18:36] claimed they loved and using that
[00:18:39] country in order to defeat its much
[00:18:41] larger neighbor, which is the real
[00:18:43] prize, Russia.
[00:18:45] And this has been true for over a
[00:18:47] hundred years, for hundreds of years.
[00:18:49] How many times have Europeans tried to
[00:18:50] invade Russia? A few. Napoleon tried.
[00:18:54] Why does everyone want to invade Russia?
[00:18:56] It's far away. It's freezing.
[00:19:00] No one ever succeeds in doing it. It's
[00:19:02] like Afghanistan or Yemen.
[00:19:06] Not a long track record of victory of
[00:19:09] outside forces taking control. There are
[00:19:11] a few peoples around the world that are
[00:19:12] tough to beat, history suggests. And the
[00:19:15] Russians are at the top of that list. So
[00:19:16] why do people keep trying? Well, in a
[00:19:18] word, resources. That's why
[00:19:21] Russia is unimaginably large. Literally
[00:19:24] unimaginably. Most people in the West
[00:19:26] haven't imagined how large Russia is.
[00:19:28] Russia is larger than China and India
[00:19:32] put together. You combine the land mass
[00:19:35] of China. So big you can barely get your
[00:19:38] head around it. And India almost as big
[00:19:42] and together they're smaller than
[00:19:44] Russia. Siberia itself is about the size
[00:19:48] of the continental United States. And
[00:19:49] they're like 10 million people living
[00:19:51] there. In all of Russia they're about
[00:19:53] 140 million something like that. in all
[00:19:57] of Russia.
[00:19:58] Meanwhile, Russia has the deepest energy
[00:20:01] reserves in the world, some of the
[00:20:04] highest u uranium enrichment in the
[00:20:07] world. It has by some measures the most
[00:20:11] gold in the world, silver, boxite for
[00:20:14] aluminum, timber, by far the largest
[00:20:17] timber reserves in the world, which
[00:20:19] people still need, by the way. Pulp for
[00:20:22] paper, dimensional lumber for building.
[00:20:24] People still need trees and Russia has
[00:20:27] more than any other place. Primarily in
[00:20:29] Siberia, but not just in Siberia and of
[00:20:31] course farmland and agricultural
[00:20:33] products, fertilizer, wheat.
[00:20:37] Russia has as much or more than anyone
[00:20:40] and very few people. So, the promise of
[00:20:44] access to Russian resources and space
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[00:21:02] attitude on display the moment the wall
[00:21:05] fell and rapacious foreigners, mostly
[00:21:09] bankers, moved into Russia and stripped
[00:21:11] it. and they were helped along by a lot
[00:21:14] of unscrupulous indigenous Russians. It
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[00:21:18] Russian oligarchs did it to their own
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[00:21:22] people denuted the country, looted it.
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[00:22:48] Russia 30 years ago, 35 years ago is one
[00:22:51] of the most certainly the poorest
[00:22:53] country
[00:22:54] west of I don't know
[00:22:58] who even knows. I mean, Bhutan
[00:23:03] really poor
[00:23:05] and divided and sad and defeated and
[00:23:08] alcoholism and drug use and gasoline
[00:23:11] huffing and suicide were endemic.
[00:23:15] And who did that? Well, the Russians to
[00:23:17] some extent did it to themselves. You
[00:23:19] know, they were living in this Soviet
[00:23:21] system for 70 years, but outsiders did
[00:23:23] it to him, too. That's a fact. And
[00:23:27] whatever you think of Putin, he's bad.
[00:23:30] Putin got that under control.
[00:23:32] And Russia in 2026 bears no resemblance
[00:23:35] whatsoever to Russia in 2000, the year
[00:23:37] Putin took over. And one of the main
[00:23:39] changes he made is he kicked the money
[00:23:42] changers out of the temple. He did.
[00:23:44] Sorry. Everyone else has forgotten that,
[00:23:47] ignores it. He kicked the oligarchs out
[00:23:49] or he brought him to his side. You can't
[00:23:51] act independently of the national
[00:23:52] interest. Sure, you can become a
[00:23:53] billionaire, but some of it has to go to
[00:23:55] the country.
[00:23:57] And that was spun in the West as
[00:24:01] cartel behavior. He's the mafia boss.
[00:24:03] Okay, fine. He's the mafia boss.
[00:24:06] But the real answer to the question, did
[00:24:08] it work or not, is obvious not just in
[00:24:10] the numbers, but in the state of the
[00:24:12] country, the visible state of the
[00:24:13] country now versus 25 years. So it's a
[00:24:15] completely different place. It's no
[00:24:17] longer Bhutan. It's not Africa.
[00:24:19] By some measures, it's much richer than
[00:24:22] any country in Western Europe. In fact,
[00:24:24] by every measure, it is. By every single
[00:24:26] measure. Is it richer than Spain? Is it
[00:24:29] richer than the UK? Oh, yeah. Much.
[00:24:34] So that is both tempting to elites from
[00:24:38] around the world. Wait a second. Why do
[00:24:40] 140 million Russians get all this stuff?
[00:24:42] We should have some, too. But it is also
[00:24:45] an indictment of their leadership. If
[00:24:48] you're Boris Johnson and your ancestors
[00:24:51] ruled the waves,
[00:24:54] ruled the British Empire and your
[00:24:56] country is a kind of sad
[00:24:59] erdo speaking museum. Now
[00:25:03] that's insulting. Really? The Russians?
[00:25:06] those weird halfslavic
[00:25:08] I mean they dominate world chess but
[00:25:10] like really they're not really white and
[00:25:14] how are they doing so well this is
[00:25:16] outrageous it is an indictment of your
[00:25:19] own leadership and in countries across
[00:25:21] Europe the leaders feel that way Russia
[00:25:22] is an embarrassment to them because it
[00:25:25] is relatively speaking thriving
[00:25:29] and so they all as one backed the Biden
[00:25:33] administration's plan to have a war with
[00:25:35] Russia and let's stop lying dying. This
[00:25:36] was not an unprovoked invasion. Putin
[00:25:39] just randomly went over the line into
[00:25:41] eastern Ukraine and stole these oblasts.
[00:25:44] He stole this land that belonged to
[00:25:45] another people. That's a total lie. And
[00:25:48] it's not a defense of Putin to call it
[00:25:49] out as a lie because it is. And
[00:25:51] everybody knows it now. The truth is
[00:25:53] that in 2001, Putin, same guy, same
[00:25:56] leader, asked the Bush administration in
[00:25:58] person directly to George W. Bush, I
[00:26:00] would like to join NATO. I would like to
[00:26:03] join the defensive alliance that exists
[00:26:05] to keep me from moving west into Western
[00:26:07] Europe.
[00:26:09] In other words, you won. I'm joining
[00:26:11] your team.
[00:26:14] And due in part to his own
[00:26:17] limitations as a leader and due in part
[00:26:18] to the council that he received from
[00:26:20] Condisa Rice at the time, George W. Bush
[00:26:23] turned down that offer
[00:26:27] and prevented Russia from joining NATO.
[00:26:31] and the guest we're going to speak to in
[00:26:33] a moment, if you're wondering if he has
[00:26:34] a good track record of calling future
[00:26:37] events, said at the time this decision
[00:26:41] to turn down Vladimir Putin, this is 25
[00:26:44] years ago, Vladimir Putin's request to
[00:26:46] join NATO, to join the West, to all be
[00:26:49] in it together, to work together.
[00:26:52] This decision made by the Bush
[00:26:53] administration guarantees a collision
[00:26:56] with the West. We are now on a collision
[00:26:58] course. And of course, he was absolutely
[00:26:59] right because
[00:27:02] NATO didn't want Russia because NATO
[00:27:04] wanted a war with Russia. And boy, they
[00:27:06] got it. And so from 2001 all the way to
[00:27:10] 2022, 21 years, NATO moved inexorably
[00:27:14] east surrounding Russia. And many times,
[00:27:17] again, this is not a defense of Russia.
[00:27:20] It's just a fact. Many times the Russian
[00:27:22] government under Putin said, "Whoa,
[00:27:23] whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[00:27:25] you are threatening our core national
[00:27:27] interest, which is not to have other
[00:27:29] people's missiles on our borders. Back
[00:27:31] off.
[00:27:33] And then in 2014, the Obama
[00:27:35] administration overthrew the government
[00:27:37] of Ukraine to put an American puppet in
[00:27:40] there, thereby sealing the fate of
[00:27:43] nations. When that happened, and Sergey
[00:27:46] Cargonov said it at the time, you have
[00:27:48] just guaranteed a war in Ukraine that
[00:27:52] will destroy Ukraine. So, as you listen
[00:27:54] to the interview, and we hope you listen
[00:27:55] carefully because the English is not
[00:27:57] flawless and it was done over satellite
[00:27:59] from Moscow, so it's not the best audio,
[00:28:01] but it's worth listening.
[00:28:04] That man that you're going to hear has a
[00:28:06] long track record of calling events
[00:28:09] right. And it's not to detract from his
[00:28:12] powers of perception or his intellect,
[00:28:14] which is formidable, to say other people
[00:28:17] could have drawn the same conclusions
[00:28:19] because it's pretty freaking obvious
[00:28:21] if you exclude Russia from NATO, you're
[00:28:23] probably seeking a war with Russia. And
[00:28:26] if you try to put nuclear armed missiles
[00:28:29] on Russia's border, you're probably
[00:28:30] going to get a military response. That's
[00:28:32] exactly what he said. And of course, he
[00:28:35] was laughed at in Europe where he'd
[00:28:37] spent a lot of his life.
[00:28:40] and he was totally ignored by the United
[00:28:42] States. And our policy makers were on to
[00:28:44] this that or the other thing. They were
[00:28:45] not paying any attention at all. And to
[00:28:46] the extent they were, they were very
[00:28:48] excited for this war with Russia. And
[00:28:50] they never really explained why. And
[00:28:53] then once that war began four years ago,
[00:28:56] they began to act through their proxy,
[00:28:59] the Ukrainian government under Zilinski,
[00:29:01] truly a proxy in a war that has been
[00:29:03] managed from day one in part by the CIA.
[00:29:06] our CIA targeting by the CIA. Anyone who
[00:29:09] tells you that's not true is lying.
[00:29:12] They begin to act with not just
[00:29:14] recklessness, but extreme recklessness.
[00:29:16] The kind of behavior that suggests you
[00:29:18] don't care about the consequences at
[00:29:19] all. You're you're just allin. Actually,
[00:29:22] at some point, the kind of behavior that
[00:29:24] suggests a death wish that suggests like
[00:29:26] I actually want a nuclear holocaust. I'm
[00:29:30] happy to risk the lives of my family, my
[00:29:32] nation, and the world in a nuclear
[00:29:34] exchange. And we know that because of
[00:29:37] what they did. They blew up Nordstream,
[00:29:41] which was the main source of natural gas
[00:29:44] for Europe. So that did two things. One,
[00:29:46] it destroyed the European economy. That
[00:29:48] was obviously going to happen.
[00:29:52] And it did because you can't have a
[00:29:54] robust economy, certainly not a
[00:29:56] manufacturing economy, without cheap
[00:29:58] energy. Without cheap energy, you're
[00:30:01] left with what? Real estate and finance.
[00:30:04] And of course, the people making these
[00:30:06] decisions are familiar only with real
[00:30:07] estate and finance because that's the
[00:30:09] world they live in.
[00:30:12] But in the real world, countries become
[00:30:14] rich and powerful and stable and
[00:30:16] resilient because they make things.
[00:30:18] So that's the first thing. We blew up
[00:30:20] Nordstream so that destroys our
[00:30:22] supposedly closest allies in Europe,
[00:30:24] particularly in Germany. Germans hate
[00:30:26] themselves so much they won't even admit
[00:30:28] that we did it. But we did it
[00:30:31] through proxies, but we did it. as we
[00:30:34] said we would. And the second thing that
[00:30:35] it did, it sent a very clear message to
[00:30:37] Russia. We're done. We're not going to
[00:30:40] have a kind of Vietnam scenario where we
[00:30:44] have a proxy war, but you know, there
[00:30:46] are limits to our behavior. Yeah, we'll
[00:30:47] spray Agent Orange, but we're not
[00:30:49] actually going to, you know, level
[00:30:51] Hanoi.
[00:30:54] We bomb it on the edges, but we're, you
[00:30:56] know, there there are limits to what
[00:30:57] we're going to do because we don't
[00:30:58] actually want a war with the Soviets.
[00:31:01] American and NATO behavior since the
[00:31:03] beginning of this war suggest there are
[00:31:04] no limits at all. Blowing up Russian
[00:31:07] infrastructure, trying to assassinate
[00:31:09] Putin repeatedly, they lie about it, but
[00:31:12] yes, they have. Yes, they have. The
[00:31:14] Ukrainian government has tried to
[00:31:16] assassinate Vladimir Putin multiple
[00:31:18] times.
[00:31:20] Has the CIA assisted with the targeting
[00:31:22] of those drones?
[00:31:24] Yes, obviously. Tell me how you didn't.
[00:31:28] No one's even asked them. You don't need
[00:31:30] to be an economist to see what's
[00:31:31] happening. The dollar is in trouble.
[00:31:33] It's getting weaker. It's sad, but we're
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[00:31:40] it's going to be replaced by
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[00:31:55] spend that much on marketing? Cuz
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[00:32:18] It's about sovereignty and holding
[00:32:20] something that endures and cannot be
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[00:32:29] And again, it's not taking sides
[00:32:32] against the United States with Russia.
[00:32:34] No, it's trying to think clearly about
[00:32:36] what are the potential consequences of
[00:32:38] this kind of behavior, torquing it up
[00:32:40] consistently over four years to a point
[00:32:42] where you've cornered a great power.
[00:32:47] Oh, but that's the problem. They don't
[00:32:49] consider Russia a great power. They're
[00:32:51] not a great power.
[00:32:54] You know what Russia is?
[00:32:56] Russia is a gas station with nuclear
[00:32:59] weapons. Watch this.
[00:33:01] >> I think economic sanctions are a very
[00:33:03] important step. Identify these
[00:33:05] kleptocrats. And uh look, Russia is a
[00:33:08] gas station masquerading as a country.
[00:33:11] >> It is a wounded and declining nation. It
[00:33:14] has an uncompetitive economy. Senator
[00:33:17] McCain used to joke that Russia is a gas
[00:33:20] station pretending to be a country.
[00:33:23] Its declining population of course
[00:33:25] contributes to its decline.
[00:33:27] >> What's your view of Putin?
[00:33:29] >> Look, I think he's got grand ambitions.
[00:33:31] I think he's hostile to the United
[00:33:32] States. But I think the thing that we've
[00:33:34] seen is he doesn't have the conventional
[00:33:36] capability to realize his ambitions. And
[00:33:38] so he's basically a gas station with a
[00:33:41] bunch of nuclear weapons. If the
[00:33:42] president could rally the world to push
[00:33:44] back against Russian aggression, uh, and
[00:33:47] really hit them economically, have
[00:33:49] sanctions that hit really hard, then
[00:33:51] Putin is basically a gas station
[00:33:53] masquerading as a country.
[00:33:56] H there's really nothing more
[00:33:58] embarrassing. And as someone who knows
[00:34:00] all four of the men you just saw say
[00:34:02] that, you pause and you think, we are a
[00:34:04] great nation. In this United States,
[00:34:05] we're a great nation and we should be
[00:34:08] led in particular policies that matter
[00:34:11] that could determine whether your
[00:34:12] children live or die should be led by
[00:34:15] great men. Men with wisdom above all,
[00:34:19] restraint, a sense of longitudinal
[00:34:21] interest. It matters what this looks
[00:34:23] like in a 100 years. That should be part
[00:34:24] of the calculation. And knowledge and
[00:34:27] lived experience.
[00:34:29] And none of those four men you just saw,
[00:34:32] all four of whom have been major players
[00:34:33] in formulating US foreign policy over
[00:34:36] many decades, none of them meet any of
[00:34:37] those criteria. These are weak, unwise.
[00:34:41] In the case of John McCain, though very
[00:34:42] charming, I will say low IQ people.
[00:34:46] True. That's just true. They don't know
[00:34:48] anything. So you could say everything
[00:34:51] about Russia I find repulsive.
[00:34:53] Everything about it offends my
[00:34:54] sensibilities as an American. That's
[00:34:56] fine. People feel that way. But you
[00:34:59] can't dismiss it as a gas station with
[00:35:01] nuclear weapons because that reveals you
[00:35:03] as ignorant because it's the opposite of
[00:35:06] that of course on a cultural level. The
[00:35:08] country that produced Toltoy and Dostki
[00:35:11] more than a gas station.
[00:35:14] But it also suggests that you are doing
[00:35:17] the one thing you can never do with an
[00:35:21] adversary and that's underestimate his
[00:35:24] power and resilience. You have to see
[00:35:26] the people you're in conflict with
[00:35:28] clearly or you will get hurt. That's the
[00:35:32] real risk here. Not just you'll act like
[00:35:33] the ugly American, you're a buffoon.
[00:35:34] They're a gas station with nuclear
[00:35:36] weapons. What a clever line. I heard
[00:35:38] that from my donor. I'm going to repeat
[00:35:39] it on Meet the Press. Which is exactly
[00:35:41] what the poor Dantis doesn't know
[00:35:43] anything. Was doing trying to sound
[00:35:45] statesmanlike. Oh, I just heard this.
[00:35:47] Gas station nuclear weapons. So good.
[00:35:51] You know, you reveal that you're just a
[00:35:53] rube. Go back to Orlando.
[00:35:55] But it's more than that. You can wind up
[00:36:00] way over your head. And we are now way
[00:36:02] over our heads because of that attitude.
[00:36:06] Lindsey Graham, who to his credit has
[00:36:09] been around. He's been everywhere.
[00:36:11] Lindsey Graham has still not picked up
[00:36:13] the one quality you hope that travel
[00:36:15] instills in a person, which is wisdom.
[00:36:18] Zero.
[00:36:20] And there's a particularly sad line at
[00:36:22] the end of the clip you just saw from
[00:36:23] Lindsey Graham. said, "If just we can
[00:36:25] make our sanctions tough enough, we just
[00:36:28] need tough sanctions
[00:36:30] and that will bring Russia to its
[00:36:32] knees." Well, we did that actually. But
[00:36:34] who got brought to his knees? Was it
[00:36:36] Russia?
[00:36:38] No, it was not. It was us.
[00:36:41] One of the saddest things this country's
[00:36:43] ever done is sabotaged its own currency
[00:36:46] over time.
[00:36:48] But if you were to isolate a moment
[00:36:50] where the US dollar's future became dim,
[00:36:54] it would have to be in the Biden
[00:36:56] administration's immediate response to
[00:36:59] the Russian invasion of Ukraine. That
[00:37:01] was the moment that we kicked Russ out
[00:37:02] of Swift. We just stole the personal
[00:37:06] property of people who didn't work for
[00:37:08] the Russian government. The so-called
[00:37:10] oligarchs, which just means businessmen,
[00:37:12] just took their stuff because they had
[00:37:14] Russian names and prevented Russians
[00:37:16] from playing in international sporting
[00:37:19] events. You can't be at Wimbledon.
[00:37:20] There's an OV at the end of your name or
[00:37:22] whatever.
[00:37:24] So, we we humiliated ourselves, of
[00:37:26] course, by behaving. Who behaves like
[00:37:28] that? But we also sabotaged our own core
[00:37:31] interest, which is the maintenance of
[00:37:32] the US dollars. is the world's reserve
[00:37:34] currency. That's the key thing that we
[00:37:36] have. It's not our manufacturing base
[00:37:37] that makes us rich. Sorry. Wish it was.
[00:37:40] It's the US dollars. The privilege of
[00:37:42] holding the currency that say energy
[00:37:46] transactions are conducted in. Everyone
[00:37:48] has to use dollars. It's called the
[00:37:49] petro dollar. Been there since 1971.
[00:37:52] You tamper with that and the bills come
[00:37:55] due and you become poor and then all the
[00:37:58] downstream effects of poverty which
[00:37:59] include violence by the way and chaos.
[00:38:03] That was the single most unwise thing
[00:38:06] any administration has done in my
[00:38:09] lifetime, 56 years. That was the dumbest
[00:38:11] thing. That was the most
[00:38:12] self-destructive thing. So what was gold
[00:38:14] trading at? Do you remember? If you got
[00:38:16] a phone in your hand right now, look it
[00:38:17] up. What was gold trading at? Just say
[00:38:20] February 1st,
[00:38:22] 2022
[00:38:24] about 1,700 bucks an ounce, which is
[00:38:26] high. Was high. You check gold prices
[00:38:29] today. The spot price of gold today,
[00:38:30] it's about $4,600
[00:38:33] per ounce.
[00:38:35] Has the S&P grown that much in four
[00:38:38] years? No. Has anything? No. Why gold?
[00:38:43] Is there some new industrial application
[00:38:45] for gold? No. There are some, but not
[00:38:48] really. People are buying gold as an
[00:38:52] option to the US dollar. Gold is what
[00:38:55] you buy when you want out of the dollar
[00:38:57] because you don't believe it has a
[00:38:58] bright future. You dump your treasuries
[00:39:01] and you buy gold.
[00:39:03] And the people who actually understand
[00:39:05] the system because they made it and
[00:39:07] participated in it and are its biggest
[00:39:09] players are doing that. China is doing
[00:39:11] that now. Why in 2026 would you dump
[00:39:15] treasuries which they have a lot of
[00:39:18] treasuries
[00:39:19] and buy gold? The most primitive medium
[00:39:22] of exchange like the Assyrians use gold.
[00:39:25] Gold. Only superstitious people buy
[00:39:28] gold.
[00:39:31] Not making the case that there's some
[00:39:32] inherent quality in gold that makes it
[00:39:33] valuable. I'm making the case that
[00:39:36] compared to what? You're doing that
[00:39:39] because you believe the US dollar is
[00:39:41] unsafe.
[00:39:44] And why do you believe that? Because the
[00:39:46] US government just used it as a
[00:39:48] political weapon against a great power.
[00:39:51] That's why
[00:39:54] anybody could have figured this out. And
[00:39:55] the second thing that happened
[00:39:58] almost immediately
[00:40:00] is that Russia formed a durable alliance
[00:40:05] with China. Now, think about this for a
[00:40:06] second. And Donald Trump, to his great
[00:40:08] credit, used to say this, the worst
[00:40:11] thing Biden ever did was drive Russia
[00:40:14] into an alliance with China. Why is that
[00:40:16] the worst thing? Because here you have
[00:40:18] the largest economy in the world, which
[00:40:19] is China, and you have the largest
[00:40:24] resource density in the world and the
[00:40:26] biggest country in the world, which is
[00:40:27] Russia, combining against you.
[00:40:30] So I think by anybody's count there are
[00:40:32] four really kind of major players in our
[00:40:35] near to long-term future globally and
[00:40:37] they are the US,
[00:40:40] Russia. It's more than a gas station
[00:40:43] with nuclear weapons. Sorry,
[00:40:45] India and China.
[00:40:48] Now who knows where India is going to
[00:40:49] land, but if you've got Russia and China
[00:40:51] against you, it's tough. That's only not
[00:40:54] unipolar. That's like an actual threat
[00:40:56] to your interests. That's that's an
[00:40:58] actual threat to your don't allow that.
[00:41:01] The reason Richard Nixon flew to Beijing
[00:41:05] 50 years ago, 55 years ago, and met with
[00:41:08] Chairman Mao, who by the way was a lot
[00:41:09] more of a monster than Putin's ever
[00:41:11] thought of being, was not a Christian,
[00:41:12] unlike Putin,
[00:41:14] killed, you know, 100 million of his own
[00:41:17] people. Richard Nixon flew there anyway,
[00:41:19] and quote, "Opened up China, made an
[00:41:20] alliance with China." Why? To split it
[00:41:23] from Russia. because he understood that
[00:41:25] was a threat. The block, the alliance of
[00:41:27] countries that don't share our interest
[00:41:28] is a massive threat to us
[00:41:31] and to the dollar. He did that and it
[00:41:33] worked for like 50 years until Joe Biden
[00:41:36] with the help of the US Congress,
[00:41:40] probably the the largest collection of
[00:41:43] unwise cowards in the English-sp
[00:41:46] speakaking world got together and
[00:41:47] decided that they could levy sanctions
[00:41:49] against this country, which they deemed
[00:41:50] bad for reasons they never really
[00:41:52] explained, except Russia reacted to
[00:41:54] their provocations and went over a
[00:41:56] border that no one can find on a map.
[00:41:57] Because of that, we needed to act and do
[00:42:00] something because we're Winston
[00:42:01] Churchill, not Neville Chamberlain, and
[00:42:03] everything is about World War II, and we
[00:42:05] need to stop Russian aggression. By the
[00:42:06] way, we were on Russia's side during
[00:42:07] World War II, but shut up. You're not
[00:42:08] supposed to know that. And we're going
[00:42:11] to punish them, not by actually joining
[00:42:13] the Ukrainian military and putting our
[00:42:14] lives on the line because, hey, we've
[00:42:16] got better things to do than go die in
[00:42:17] someone else's war. But we're going to
[00:42:20] sanction them. very tough sanctions
[00:42:24] despite the living proof that not only
[00:42:28] do sanctions not work, they are
[00:42:29] counterproductive to the stated aims.
[00:42:32] And if that's untrue, what happened in
[00:42:34] Cuba exactly, which got sanctioned in
[00:42:36] about 1960.
[00:42:38] Oh, Raul Castro was still alive and
[00:42:41] still has power in that country. The
[00:42:43] country's gotten poorer. Don't think Row
[00:42:45] Castro has. They don't work. They have
[00:42:48] the opposite effect. And by the way,
[00:42:50] they are dishonorable and feline.
[00:42:52] They're a weak man's form of diplomacy.
[00:42:56] When Lindsey Graham is running around
[00:42:57] pretending to be tough, the man with a
[00:42:59] size five shoe is telling you he's the
[00:43:01] man on the scene, you know what you're
[00:43:03] watching is pantoime. It's acting.
[00:43:05] You're watching a weak man pose as a
[00:43:07] strong man. And the decisions that he
[00:43:10] makes reflect that. That's why they all
[00:43:11] love sanctions. But in this case, in
[00:43:15] this specific case, sanctions shafted
[00:43:18] the United States.
[00:43:20] And I think it's worth saying that out
[00:43:21] loud so our grandchildren looking back
[00:43:24] on this time and asking why don't we
[00:43:26] live like our grandparents did can
[00:43:28] assign appropriate blame.
[00:43:30] Sanctions did not punish Vladimir Putin.
[00:43:33] They punished the United States and they
[00:43:34] completely destroyed Europe, which is
[00:43:36] where our ancestors came from and where
[00:43:37] our religion comes from. So, it's not a
[00:43:39] small thing,
[00:43:41] but they didn't work.
[00:43:44] And by the way, neither did the military
[00:43:46] action that we spent hundreds of
[00:43:48] millions of dollars paying for in
[00:43:51] Ukraine. A military action that was
[00:43:52] never designed to liberate Ukraine, but
[00:43:54] to beat Russia, whatever that means. How
[00:43:58] can you beat a cohesive ancient empire?
[00:44:01] Probably can't. When this country was
[00:44:03] founded 250 years ago, Russia was an
[00:44:05] empire.
[00:44:07] It's It's not like us, okay? Russia will
[00:44:11] be here. We know that whether you like
[00:44:13] it or not. So deal with it in a
[00:44:15] constructive way,
[00:44:17] but they couldn't.
[00:44:19] And so once the war got rolling and it
[00:44:21] became really, really clear that we had
[00:44:23] lost. Oh, we haven't lost. What are you,
[00:44:24] a Putin puppet? Okay, really simple
[00:44:28] metric. Putin rolls across the border
[00:44:30] into Ukraine. Ukraine
[00:44:33] really just like a satellite of the
[00:44:35] United States in the Biden
[00:44:36] administration but rolls into this
[00:44:38] supposedly different country and
[00:44:42] we can't get them out. No matter how
[00:44:44] many hundreds of millions of dollars we
[00:44:45] send, no matter how many biolabs we have
[00:44:47] there, no matter how many threats CIA
[00:44:49] officers we send over there to do the
[00:44:50] targeting of the drones, still there and
[00:44:53] they're not leaving.
[00:44:56] So what does that leave you with? Well,
[00:44:58] again, I would refer you to not the
[00:45:01] smartest foreign policy strategist we
[00:45:04] have, but certainly the most cable
[00:45:06] friendly, Lindsey Graham. Watch this.
[00:45:09] >> How does this end? Somebody in Russia
[00:45:12] has to step up to the plate. Is there
[00:45:14] Brutus in Russia? Is there more
[00:45:16] successful Colonel Stoppenberg in the
[00:45:19] Russian military? The only way this
[00:45:21] ends, my friend, is for somebody in
[00:45:23] Russia to take this guy out. You would
[00:45:25] be doing your country a great service.
[00:45:27] and the world a great service. I'm
[00:45:29] hoping somebody in Russia will
[00:45:31] understand that he's destroying Russia
[00:45:33] and you need to take this guy out by any
[00:45:36] means uh possible. Yeah. I hope he'll be
[00:45:39] taken out one way or the other. I don't
[00:45:42] care how they take him out. I don't care
[00:45:43] if we send him to the Hague and uh try
[00:45:47] him. I just want him to go. Yes, I'm on
[00:45:49] record. Please understand Senator
[00:45:52] Lindsey Graham and if John McCain were
[00:45:54] here, he'd be saying the same thing. I
[00:45:56] think it's time for him to go. He's a
[00:45:59] war criminal.
[00:46:01] I wish somebody had taken Hitler out in
[00:46:04] the 30s.
[00:46:07] Live by the sword, die by the sword. Do
[00:46:09] you really want to call for the
[00:46:11] extrajudicial murder of another head of
[00:46:13] state?
[00:46:15] Is that a precedent you want to live
[00:46:16] with? Probably not, actually. Probably
[00:46:19] not. And if you're a country that
[00:46:20] believes in the rule of law, pretty
[00:46:24] pretty shocking thing really for a
[00:46:26] lawmaker to say we'll just assassinate
[00:46:27] him. It's just a tool of foreign policy.
[00:46:29] No, we're not Israel. We don't conduct
[00:46:31] foreign policy through assassination.
[00:46:33] Actually, we shouldn't. Apparently, now
[00:46:35] we do. Is that okay with people? You
[00:46:38] don't like someone, so just kill them.
[00:46:41] If those are the rules,
[00:46:44] we will have we will have to live with
[00:46:46] those rules. And you don't need a
[00:46:48] particularly powerful imagination
[00:46:52] to envision how that ends. And not well
[00:46:54] at all.
[00:46:56] So if you're going to be a beacon of
[00:46:58] freedom, be one and call the just to
[00:47:01] account and don't punish the innocent.
[00:47:03] Which is why sanctions are not only
[00:47:05] ineffective but also immoral.
[00:47:07] But moreover, if you're waging a war
[00:47:09] against a country, and we've been at war
[00:47:11] with Russia for four years, despite what
[00:47:12] the liars tell you, we have been at war
[00:47:14] with Russia for four years. Probably not
[00:47:16] a good idea to admit that you're losing
[00:47:18] on television, which is what Lindsey
[00:47:20] Graham just did.
[00:47:23] We have no choice but to take him out.
[00:47:26] And third, it's probably unwise to admit
[00:47:29] that you know nothing about the country
[00:47:31] that you are fighting, that you're
[00:47:34] obsessed with. taking Putin out will
[00:47:38] solve the problem.
[00:47:40] Putin is an absolute dictator.
[00:47:43] He's dictatorial, that's for sure. You
[00:47:46] probably wouldn't want to walk by the
[00:47:47] Kremlin and give him the finger. He'd
[00:47:48] probably be punished for that. But does
[00:47:51] he have absolute control over Russia?
[00:47:53] Does any leader of any country ever have
[00:47:56] absolute control over the country? Did
[00:47:57] Stalin know?
[00:47:59] He consulted with the constituencies in
[00:48:02] his country. They all do. Every one of
[00:48:04] them. our president, every Amir in the
[00:48:06] Gulf, every king, sultan, potentate,
[00:48:10] head of the CCP, everyone's got a board
[00:48:12] of directors in this world. Everyone.
[00:48:16] And Putin is no different. And Putin,
[00:48:19] again, like every head of state, is
[00:48:21] balancing a bunch of different
[00:48:22] shareholders every single day. You got
[00:48:23] the FSB and then divisions within the
[00:48:25] FSB. You got the military, you got the
[00:48:28] business community, the oligarchs, as we
[00:48:30] call them. very different from our
[00:48:31] oligarchs who are just tech CEOs.
[00:48:34] They're oligarchs.
[00:48:36] But everyone's got a piece of this
[00:48:38] enterprise they call Russia and everyone
[00:48:40] gets a say. And no head of state acts
[00:48:43] unilaterally. So the idea that you take
[00:48:45] Russia out and everyone just gives up.
[00:48:47] Oh, Putin's gone. We can, I don't know,
[00:48:51] turn it over to Zalinski
[00:48:54] is ridiculous. And only someone who
[00:48:57] didn't understand how the world works
[00:48:58] would say something like that. So what's
[00:49:00] the point? The point is exactly what
[00:49:03] we've seen in a lot of other countries,
[00:49:04] Iraq, Syria,
[00:49:07] you hope not Iran, but likely
[00:49:10] cause chaos
[00:49:12] because in chaos I can dominate and I
[00:49:16] can steal and the people who are paying
[00:49:19] me to have these views, a lot of them
[00:49:20] are exiled Russian oligarchs who Putin
[00:49:22] kicked out, can get back in there and
[00:49:25] scoop up the resources. There's no
[00:49:27] reason Putin should control all the
[00:49:29] boxite in Russia or whatever, all the
[00:49:32] oil, all the gas, all the gold. We
[00:49:34] should. So create chaos in this country,
[00:49:38] the biggest country on earth with 150
[00:49:40] million people in the largest nuclear
[00:49:41] arsenal and all get rich. And even if
[00:49:45] you signed up for that program, which
[00:49:47] you shouldn't because it's disgusting,
[00:49:50] but let's say you did think that was a
[00:49:52] good idea, part of your reptile brain
[00:49:54] would start beeping red, alert, alert,
[00:49:57] alert. That's really reckless because I
[00:50:00] can't control what happens next. There
[00:50:02] are too many nuclear weapons in this
[00:50:03] country. They have massive
[00:50:06] military-industrial power. They make a
[00:50:08] lot of weapons. They make a lot of
[00:50:10] steel. They have a lot of cheap energy.
[00:50:12] There's a real place and it's got a huge
[00:50:15] Muslim population, 20% and they're kind
[00:50:17] of peaceful now. Will they be? These are
[00:50:19] the kind of things an adult would ask
[00:50:21] himself before calling to knock off a
[00:50:23] head of state. You could destroy the
[00:50:25] world, but they haven't asked themselves
[00:50:28] those things because they don't care.
[00:50:30] And above all, they are unfit for
[00:50:33] leadership of the West. And that
[00:50:36] includes our foreign policy
[00:50:37] establishment and it includes virtually
[00:50:39] head every single head of state in
[00:50:42] Europe.
[00:50:43] And for that they are on the cusp of
[00:50:45] being eliminated
[00:50:47] literally.
[00:50:50] And I'll just speak for myself and say I
[00:50:52] really hope that doesn't happen. Yes,
[00:50:54] Kier Starmer is a joke. Of course he's
[00:50:55] an insult to our ancestors if you're
[00:50:57] English. He's an insult to our ancestors
[00:50:59] and to that nation. Of course Mcronone
[00:51:01] is ridiculous. Germany gh.
[00:51:05] But you want to see them destroyed.
[00:51:09] And according to Serge Sergey Carnog,
[00:51:12] they're very close to being. So with
[00:51:14] that, watch this interview and ask
[00:51:18] yourself, why is this not on the front
[00:51:21] page of every paper? Why is this not on
[00:51:24] the lips of every European and every
[00:51:26] American? Because it's entirely real.
[00:51:29] Here's the interview. Mr. Caragonov,
[00:51:31] thank you very much for joining us.
[00:51:34] >> Um, But h how do you believe this war
[00:51:37] will end?
[00:51:39] >> Uh this war uh uh could and should uh be
[00:51:43] ended
[00:51:45] not only uh when Russia uh achieves uh
[00:51:50] total defeat of Europe hopefully without
[00:51:52] eliminating Europe. We are fighting not
[00:51:55] Ukraine not the like. Uh we are fighting
[00:51:59] again uh the uh Europe which has been
[00:52:04] the uh uh source of all ills and all uh
[00:52:10] uh sources of evil in the history of
[00:52:14] humanity of two world wars. He the EU
[00:52:17] has been several times uh invading us.
[00:52:22] uh uh last time it was for openly in the
[00:52:26] uh 41 45 when 90% 95% of European
[00:52:30] countries uh went uh came here under the
[00:52:37] under the banners of Hitler. Now
[00:52:40] unbelievably after uh all their defeats
[00:52:43] they haven't learned the question the
[00:52:45] the lesson they still uh uh uh pushing
[00:52:50] for a big war I think I mean the reason
[00:52:53] is obviously that this total failure of
[00:52:57] u modern European elites
[00:53:00] but uh so when we talk about the end of
[00:53:02] this war it's not about I mean uh doing
[00:53:06] away with
[00:53:08] uh uh war in Ukraine with the source of
[00:53:10] this war. Uh and that is uh the evil uh
[00:53:16] Europe which by the way sucked United
[00:53:19] States several times into war
[00:53:24] and which uh have been the source of the
[00:53:27] worst things in the history of humanity
[00:53:30] including of course uh world wars
[00:53:32] including racism, colonism
[00:53:36] uh and many other uh good bad things
[00:53:39] including now the uh They have been the
[00:53:42] main source of the posthuman values to
[00:53:45] the Jewish. They have been exporting. I
[00:53:48] mean they partly
[00:53:51] polluted United States. So now we are
[00:53:53] fighting there. They try to pollute them
[00:53:57] that with the I'm not speaking about all
[00:54:00] Europe. I mean there are many decent
[00:54:01] people and even good countries there.
[00:54:04] But the question is that Europe is
[00:54:05] returning back to where it used to be
[00:54:09] during the last 500 years and that is
[00:54:12] the source of all all evil in the in the
[00:54:16] history of humanity.
[00:54:18] >> So what what does it look like to defeat
[00:54:20] Europe? The war can't end until Russia
[00:54:22] defeats Europe. You said what does that
[00:54:24] mean? For the time being, we we are
[00:54:27] thinking about a peacemal deal about a
[00:54:29] Narcissist which has been offered uh
[00:54:34] uh by President Trump in good faith over
[00:54:38] again until uh the will of European
[00:54:41] elites uh is not to continue
[00:54:45] confrontation
[00:54:46] for the sake of uh saving uh themselves
[00:54:52] from uh uh uh uh from the all
[00:54:59] uh or covering up for the all mistakes
[00:55:02] they have done. Uh that war will not uh
[00:55:05] stop.
[00:55:06] Uh so uh I'm relatively skeptical as to
[00:55:10] the uh short time possibilities of a
[00:55:14] peace meal deal. However, of course, if
[00:55:17] we achieve something along the road and
[00:55:21] people will start stop to to be killed,
[00:55:25] well, the opportunity should be used.
[00:55:27] But I'm pretty sure that uh their
[00:55:31] problem is much deeper and it is not
[00:55:33] Ukraine. It is not the landscape and
[00:55:35] whomever uh it is that Europe is again
[00:55:38] returning to its worst.
[00:55:42] uh and that is that is the the source of
[00:55:45] all of of all all evil in the history of
[00:55:48] humanity.
[00:55:50] >> So why do you think I mean I think from
[00:55:53] an American perspective it's very
[00:55:55] obvious that European leaders are
[00:55:56] focused on Russia in the in the big
[00:55:59] countries Germany France Great Britain
[00:56:02] the leadership of all three countries is
[00:56:04] focused on Russia as the threat.
[00:56:08] Why do you think that is?
[00:56:12] >> No, it is very simple. I mean, uh I'm a
[00:56:15] founder of Institute of Europe and I
[00:56:17] used to be a Europile 40 years ago and
[00:56:21] then I learned them better and I became
[00:56:24] highly skeptical. They are complete
[00:56:27] failures on all counts. I mean moral,
[00:56:30] political, economic, etc. Europe is
[00:56:32] going down. Uh also uh they are unable
[00:56:36] now
[00:56:38] to exploit uh uh the world and to suck
[00:56:43] uh the rent from the world which you
[00:56:45] they have been getting uh due to uh
[00:56:49] their military preponderance over last
[00:56:51] 500 years and that was stopped in the
[00:56:54] 60s and 70s but uh and they got into a
[00:57:01] deep crisis already. uh but at that time
[00:57:04] I mean for all kind of reasons 17
[00:57:07] collapses uh and uh they believe that uh
[00:57:12] their golden age would continue but now
[00:57:15] they understand that this golden age is
[00:57:17] finished
[00:57:18] and they are desperate.
[00:57:21] They understand that they could not uh
[00:57:24] live on others
[00:57:26] uh money. Uh uh leave uh uh also they
[00:57:31] start to understand that they could not
[00:57:33] uh live on the cushion
[00:57:36] of uh US protection
[00:57:39] >> because US is tired of them and they
[00:57:42] don't need it uh anymore. So uh there's
[00:57:47] a total desperation of this uh layer of
[00:57:52] globalist
[00:57:54] quote unquote liberal
[00:57:57] European elites. Also there by the way
[00:58:01] process of antimeritocracy.
[00:58:04] I mean never in history of Europe have
[00:58:07] we had uh such a low level of
[00:58:11] intellectual
[00:58:12] uh capacities in the leadership of most
[00:58:16] European countries. Not all but almost.
[00:58:21] >> So Europe is basically out of gas. It's
[00:58:24] out of it's out of energy. It's dying.
[00:58:28] And so you you're arguing that their
[00:58:31] leadership sees a defeat of Russia as
[00:58:35] the only way back
[00:58:37] >> uh continuation.
[00:58:38] They at first they thought of of a
[00:58:40] possibility of a defeat uh of Russia
[00:58:43] which was I mean a kind of a
[00:58:47] fantastic collusion then but still some
[00:58:51] people because of their uh their
[00:58:53] intellectual quote unquote incapacity
[00:58:56] or they talking about that but what is
[00:59:00] defeat of Russia just if if Russia comes
[00:59:04] ever close to a defeat that would mean
[00:59:06] that Russia now would use nuclear
[00:59:09] weapons and the Europe will be finished
[00:59:11] physically. So I mean it's simply
[00:59:14] impossible even to think about it but
[00:59:17] they have been talking because they need
[00:59:20] a war to rationalize their stay in power
[00:59:26] to rationalize their existence
[00:59:29] and uh
[00:59:32] it is not about even defeat of Russia
[00:59:34] now it is simply uh keeping on uh with
[00:59:39] the uh uh uh uh with the failing
[00:59:45] European Union, with a failing economy,
[00:59:48] uh with uh fading uh European uh
[00:59:54] positions in the world, everybody in the
[00:59:56] world now laughs at Europe, which used
[00:59:59] to be by the way one of the core uh
[01:00:03] centers of world power
[01:00:06] and now it's a joke. And of course, I'm
[01:00:09] not speaking of all Europe. We know that
[01:00:11] there are decent Europeans, there are
[01:00:13] smart Europeans. Though in my class,
[01:00:16] political class of European thinkers and
[01:00:20] you are on foreign policy and defense,
[01:00:23] etc., etc. There's only one or two men
[01:00:27] or persons left. I wouldn't name them
[01:00:30] because that would jeopardize
[01:00:33] them in the night of the audience. But
[01:00:37] nobody else. I do not have any
[01:00:41] interlocutor almost any interlocutor in
[01:00:44] Europe anymore.
[01:00:46] >> When you say um everyone knows that the
[01:00:50] Russian government if pressed would use
[01:00:53] nuclear weapons against Europe. Uh do
[01:00:56] you mean that is my question and do you
[01:00:59] think that the Europeans understand
[01:01:01] that?
[01:01:04] Europeans because they have been uh uh
[01:01:08] first of all
[01:01:10] intellectually degrading after the 1968
[01:01:14] uh so-called student revolution which
[01:01:17] killed most of European
[01:01:19] education
[01:01:21] and uh because of anti-marriito
[01:01:23] meritocracy of modern uh European
[01:01:27] democratic system uh do not understand
[01:01:32] who are unable uh to understand what is
[01:01:34] happening
[01:01:36] fully and also they are entertaining
[01:01:39] what I call strategic parasit
[01:01:43] paracism parasitism I don't know how to
[01:01:45] call it they believe that war will never
[01:01:48] come to their territory they forgot
[01:01:51] about the war and that it's terrible
[01:01:54] because they have been their source of
[01:01:56] most wars in the history of humanity but
[01:02:00] now they are not afraid. So the now uh
[01:02:04] one of the uh tasks of Russia in
[01:02:07] addition to all others uh is uh to
[01:02:12] bring them to sensus uh uh hopefully
[01:02:15] without using nuclear weapons only with
[01:02:18] the threat
[01:02:20] of their use. And I'm criticizing my
[01:02:22] government of being uh too prudent and
[01:02:26] uh too patient with them. But uh sooner
[01:02:30] or later, if they continue to support
[01:02:33] this war,
[01:02:36] sacrificing numerous of the Ukrainians
[01:02:39] and others, uh the Russian uh um pleary
[01:02:46] perseverance
[01:02:48] uh will uh will go through and we will
[01:02:53] have uh to
[01:02:56] uh punish them severely.
[01:02:59] hopefully in a limited sense.
[01:03:03] >> It's um it's interesting that you say
[01:03:07] their leaders no longer fear nuclear
[01:03:09] weapons. You would think everyone would
[01:03:12] fear nuclear weapons given their
[01:03:14] destructive capacity. Wh why would any
[01:03:18] person not fear the threat of a nuclear
[01:03:22] attack?
[01:03:24] >> Uh because uh uh well let's put this we
[01:03:28] uh
[01:03:29] uh uh we believe that they are like us
[01:03:33] uh but uh they're not like us. They have
[01:03:36] have had a total degradation of thinking
[01:03:40] class and and of of the ruling class. I
[01:03:44] mean when a chancellor of quote unquote
[01:03:46] of Germany is talking about I mean
[01:03:49] recreating a Buddhist fairer uh to be
[01:03:52] the strongest army in Europe, what does
[01:03:55] that mean? that means that he
[01:04:00] uh dooms his country for elimination. I
[01:04:03] have uh been talking with Europeans
[01:04:06] through all most of my adult life. I
[01:04:10] stopped doing that in 1930 when there
[01:04:13] was a meeting of European leaders in
[01:04:15] which I participated and I said that if
[01:04:17] you continue into this uh your system uh
[01:04:24] uh there will be a big war and millions
[01:04:26] of Ukrainians will die and nobody dared
[01:04:32] to look into my eyes. There were 70 or
[01:04:35] 80 people most of them you know
[01:04:40] they have degraded to the level uh that
[01:04:44] uh they are dangerous idiots or moral
[01:04:48] idiots. Yes,
[01:04:50] >> most not all of them but most of them.
[01:04:55] >> You you are quoted in one place saying
[01:04:59] they no longer fear God therefore they
[01:05:02] no longer fear war. How are those two
[01:05:04] related?
[01:05:07] >> Absolutely. I mean they lost well not
[01:05:09] all. Again we were normal people
[01:05:13] they uh I mean Europe has lost uh its
[01:05:19] core moral political spiritual core
[01:05:25] uh and uh now they uh
[01:05:29] as you know and most of them have lost
[01:05:32] uh the fear uh well the trust in God
[01:05:37] doesn't mean and uh they uh lost normal
[01:05:44] losing uh most of uh their uh traits of
[01:05:49] the human uh uh Europe is
[01:05:53] under this leadership or under this
[01:05:55] leadership is becoming anti-European in
[01:05:58] terms of historical European and even
[01:06:02] anti antihuman
[01:06:06] they have brought nism
[01:06:09] which was not a human uh etc. Now they
[01:06:14] are they have brought to us you have
[01:06:17] been infected with to less extent
[01:06:21] something absolutely antihuman uh loss
[01:06:24] of respect those family those love
[01:06:26] between men and women those respect for
[01:06:29] seniors uh those patriotism etc. What is
[01:06:33] then Europe and of course uh trusting
[01:06:36] God? What is left? I mean it is uh uh
[01:06:43] and
[01:06:46] uh
[01:06:48] uh it is uh
[01:06:52] a a moral hope. However, of course, I'm
[01:06:58] not speaking about all Europeans or are
[01:07:00] normal people. Uh however of course I'm
[01:07:03] not I'm not unable to talk to them. I am
[01:07:05] not able to talk to them because they
[01:07:08] are imagine they are forbidden to talk
[01:07:11] to us and if they talk to us they are
[01:07:14] then called uh and summoned to the
[01:07:18] police or security services. So I have a
[01:07:21] lot of still still probably a lot of
[01:07:23] friends in Europe but I do not have any
[01:07:26] contacts with them because they are
[01:07:27] banned
[01:07:29] because they elites from talking to us
[01:07:32] because they elites are uh they're
[01:07:35] preparing uh them for uh war at least
[01:07:40] morally though
[01:07:42] these the same elites uh could not
[01:07:46] comprehend that if war a real big war
[01:07:50] is unleashed in Europe and a war soon or
[01:07:54] later this war in Ukraine which we are
[01:07:56] waging with Europeans
[01:07:59] uh escalates a little bit of Europe uh
[01:08:02] thanks god we have changed our nuclear
[01:08:04] doctrine
[01:08:05] recently and recently our president said
[01:08:09] uh he was very cautious and very pol
[01:08:11] he's a very cautious and very polite man
[01:08:13] but he said something very important he
[01:08:16] said that if you continues and if Europe
[01:08:20] uh gets into real direct conflict with
[01:08:23] Europe, there will be nobody in Europe
[01:08:25] to talk. But I hope and I beg and I pray
[01:08:30] the way I pray that uh he or us wouldn't
[01:08:34] have to make this decision.
[01:08:37] But uh uh as I've said before, Europe is
[01:08:42] the source of the most evils and returns
[01:08:46] to its worst times.
[01:08:49] Twice in the past roughly the past year
[01:08:52] um the Ukrainians have tried to at least
[01:08:54] twice tried to kill your president,
[01:08:56] President Putin. What that's my read of
[01:08:59] it. Um
[01:09:01] why do you think they did that? What's
[01:09:05] the thinking there?
[01:09:06] >> Well,
[01:09:07] it is it is very simple. I mean uh
[01:09:10] they're belligerent. I mean uh some
[01:09:13] people uh believe that you could solve
[01:09:16] the problem of Russia by killing our
[01:09:18] president.
[01:09:20] Our president is u
[01:09:23] um
[01:09:24] uh I have one problem with our president
[01:09:27] is that he's too cautious.
[01:09:31] They do not uh to cautious and he shows
[01:09:35] too much perseverance. I am criticizing
[01:09:37] him indirectly or sometimes even
[01:09:40] directly as as in our conversation with
[01:09:44] you. Uh but uh uh they simply uh want
[01:09:49] they of course they could not kill it's
[01:09:52] simply noble hatred uh of uh people now
[01:09:56] who have lost their minds. Uh well the
[01:10:01] the question of course of
[01:10:04] not doing away with the foreign
[01:10:05] countries is a American question uh as
[01:10:10] as you know and uh but uh uh they are
[01:10:14] pumping up uh hatred towards Russia like
[01:10:19] mad even I'm a partly historian I must
[01:10:22] say that even Hitler's Germany uh the
[01:10:25] level of anti-Russian propaganda and the
[01:10:28] rosophobia
[01:10:30] uh was uh maybe may maybe weaker or at
[01:10:33] least equal to what is uh happening in
[01:10:36] Europe.
[01:10:39] >> What would happen if your president were
[01:10:44] to be assassinated by the Ukrainians or
[01:10:46] Europe or the United States? What what
[01:10:48] would what would be the next
[01:10:50] >> Well, let's hope let's hope that would
[01:10:53] not happen. Uh but then of course um uh
[01:10:58] That that would mean that
[01:11:00] we will punish
[01:11:03] uh
[01:11:05] hopefully not the United States
[01:11:09] but Europe will be taken away from the
[01:11:11] map of
[01:11:13] the humanity. It should be uh pushed
[01:11:15] away uh from the geopolitical and uh
[01:11:20] geostrategic math because it is a
[01:11:22] nuisance. I hope it would not be uh
[01:11:26] punished in the physical way. though I
[01:11:29] am starting to say that these idiots do
[01:11:32] not understand anything but physical
[01:11:34] pain
[01:11:36] and that's no later we have uh to go
[01:11:39] after the ladder and escalation and if
[01:11:42] they do not stop this senseless war and
[01:11:44] hostility in uh in and around Ukraine.
[01:11:50] Now we would have to start to attack
[01:11:52] Europe with conventional weapons and
[01:11:54] then next step will be waves of uh
[01:11:58] nuclear uh nuclear
[01:12:03] uh strikes. I hope we wouldn't
[01:12:07] uh reach that point because
[01:12:12] using nuclear weapons any weapon is a
[01:12:14] sin but using nuclear weapons is a
[01:12:18] double sin and I don't want to be Russia
[01:12:21] to be
[01:12:23] that big a sinner we have all all our
[01:12:27] sins I but uh if needed we have to
[01:12:31] eliminate the European threat to
[01:12:34] humanity
[01:12:36] How how far are we from Russia using
[01:12:38] nuclear weapons against Europe?
[01:12:40] >> Uh two years
[01:12:44] if they do well one year. Well, first of
[01:12:47] all, I've been calling on uh my uh
[01:12:50] government
[01:12:52] to escalate earlier
[01:12:55] and but uh President Putin is uh
[01:13:00] uh very religious and he's cautious and
[01:13:04] uh uh we have been climbing up the
[01:13:06] ladder of escalation changing our
[01:13:09] nuclear doctrine and lowering the
[01:13:11] nuclear threshold uh building up our
[01:13:16] nuclear potential in Europe and else but
[01:13:19] in the hope that we could stop them
[01:13:22] before crossing uh the threshold. As
[01:13:25] I've said uh I think that
[01:13:30] Putin believes that using uh nuclear
[01:13:33] weapons and I believe by the way uh is a
[01:13:38] sin but might be it might be a necessary
[01:13:41] sin in order to save humanity. That's
[01:13:43] why I have been calling for limited
[01:13:45] nuclear use of nuclear weapons against
[01:13:48] Europe because otherwise the world would
[01:13:52] drift into a third world war uh towards
[01:13:55] which uh Europeans are pushing all of
[01:13:58] us.
[01:14:00] I mean they have already done that twice
[01:14:04] in history sucking in the United States.
[01:14:07] You a couple of times saved them you
[01:14:11] Americans.
[01:14:13] Now we uh once suffered but then saved
[01:14:16] them again. But now they back and uh
[01:14:21] with the old game and we have to uh
[01:14:24] either to punish them or to help them to
[01:14:29] uh uh change their minds. uh it is not
[01:14:33] I'm not calling for regime change but if
[01:14:36] Europeans do not change uh these elites
[01:14:39] for more uh national oriented
[01:14:44] for more responsible uh they are doomed
[01:14:48] and I I
[01:14:51] hate this idea because culturally I'm a
[01:14:54] European of course who I we are moving
[01:14:57] towards Siberia moving towards east we
[01:15:00] are uh saying and sincerely that we are
[01:15:03] becoming uh a Eurasian nation or
[01:15:07] returning back to where we belong to
[01:15:10] become uh the Eurasian nation. Uh but
[01:15:13] the loss of Europe would be a bit.
[01:15:18] >> Um before I ask you about what you think
[01:15:22] Russia should do relative to the rest of
[01:15:24] the world, become Eurasian rather than
[01:15:25] European, um which it seems to be doing.
[01:15:28] Um,
[01:15:30] if there were nuclear strikes from
[01:15:31] Russia into Europe in the next year or
[01:15:33] two, as you said, there may be, what
[01:15:36] countries
[01:15:37] uh would that include?
[01:15:41] >> Well, we are uh uh online. So uh uh I
[01:15:48] have written that uh uh several times
[01:15:51] that if we strike uh pause uh uh
[01:15:56] uh uh Americans would never respond.
[01:16:01] Americans would never respond anyway. Uh
[01:16:04] but if we uh but and I hope the pools
[01:16:07] are becoming by the way more sensible.
[01:16:09] They understand that they uh that they
[01:16:13] are playing with fire. They trying to
[01:16:16] retreat from the front lines of this
[01:16:19] conflict. Uh but uh my choice would be
[01:16:22] Britain and Germany.
[01:16:26] >> You'd take out Britain and Germany with
[01:16:28] nuclear weapons.
[01:16:29] >> I beg I beg our almighty that wouldn't
[01:16:33] happen.
[01:16:35] >> Yes. But Germany
[01:16:38] would be should be the first because
[01:16:40] Germany
[01:16:43] is the source of the worst in in the
[01:16:47] European history. But I hope again I
[01:16:50] have many German friends. I hope that it
[01:16:54] would
[01:16:57] you've I think just came back from
[01:16:59] Beijing. Certainly the ties between
[01:17:01] Russia and China are uh much much deeper
[01:17:04] than they were four years ago. From an
[01:17:06] American perspective,
[01:17:08] the idea of a permanent Russia China
[01:17:10] alliance is a threat to our our future
[01:17:14] it would seem. Is that alliance
[01:17:18] permanent?
[01:17:20] uh well for the time being uh for the
[01:17:23] foreseeable future
[01:17:26] uh it is a source of great strength both
[01:17:28] to Russia and to China and our Chinese
[01:17:31] friends understand that
[01:17:34] and but
[01:17:36] um what will happen in 10 to 15 years we
[01:17:40] we do not know so planning for kind of
[01:17:43] futures but our best
[01:17:47] uh solution
[01:17:48] uh is uh to reach a world where four
[01:17:51] great powers uh will be uh working
[01:17:55] together
[01:17:58] uh for defining I mean the rules of
[01:18:01] behavior in uh the future world these
[01:18:04] four powers are uh China, Russia, United
[01:18:08] States and India and uh and uh uh that
[01:18:13] kind of confederation configuration also
[01:18:16] means that uh we will and We should and
[01:18:19] we will of course balance uh the overall
[01:18:23] preponderance of China va Russia but at
[01:18:27] this juncture China is
[01:18:31] a fantastic asset. It is not a threat
[01:18:34] but just in case uh we should uh create
[01:18:39] this at least four country system uh
[01:18:43] plus we are building the what we call
[01:18:46] greater uratia
[01:18:48] and that is a system of relationship
[01:18:50] where uh China uh will be balanced uh by
[01:18:56] major powers within Eurasia
[01:19:00] including India uh Persia,
[01:19:04] uh Turkey and Russia and others. Uh so
[01:19:08] and the but the Chinese I mean we talked
[01:19:11] with them sincerely about necessity to
[01:19:14] balance them. Uh they it is hard for
[01:19:17] them to uh
[01:19:20] solve that but they're starting to
[01:19:22] understand that it is in their interest
[01:19:24] to create a balanced system of
[01:19:26] relationship within Eurasia.
[01:19:30] But worldwide uh United States should be
[01:19:33] a key player because without United
[01:19:35] States uh we will not succeed in dealing
[01:19:38] with the unbelievable problems we are
[01:19:41] facing in the coming years.
[01:19:44] Does um Russia jeopardize its soul by
[01:19:48] leaving the west given that it's a
[01:19:51] orthodox country? Its cultural legacy is
[01:19:55] >> own.
[01:19:56] >> We are saving our soul. Uh I mean, of
[01:20:00] course, some of my compatriots would not
[01:20:03] agree with me, but uh let us remind you
[01:20:08] and me and others that our soul uh came
[01:20:13] from the east and from the south. We
[01:20:16] took Christianity from Palestine.
[01:20:20] uh
[01:20:21] and uh who the Orthodox Church is the
[01:20:25] true Christianity because Catholics left
[01:20:29] uh at the beginning of the previous uh
[01:20:35] millennium we parted with them but still
[01:20:38] of course we're Christians
[01:20:40] and we're brothers uh we are
[01:20:45] very much an Islamic country 20% of our
[01:20:48] population will also take it from uh
[01:20:51] from the south. Uh then uh we have a
[01:20:55] strong Buddhist population. We also take
[01:20:58] it from the southeast. And Judaism is
[01:21:02] also here an acknowledged region. And
[01:21:05] the political system uh which we have
[01:21:10] built over years we have inherited uh
[01:21:13] from their greatest empire of them all
[01:21:16] from Chenisan Empire. But of course in
[01:21:19] many Russia would would disagree
[01:21:22] now with me but it is simple truth. We
[01:21:26] are Asian empire with with a very strong
[01:21:32] uh European
[01:21:34] cultural influence which we love and
[01:21:37] adore and we we would never
[01:21:41] uh pass. Uh but we are not Asia. We're
[01:21:46] not European. Thanks God. And we are now
[01:21:49] starting to acknowledge that because our
[01:21:52] European journey uh has been to which
[01:21:57] Peter the Great started for because of
[01:22:01] certain reasons because we were we
[01:22:04] backward in technological terms. It's
[01:22:07] over. It should have been over 150 years
[01:22:10] ago. Uh we uh uh he would have saved us
[01:22:16] from many troubles including uh things
[01:22:20] like world wars, communism etc. Now but
[01:22:23] now we have we're partying uh but
[01:22:27] hopefully keeping uh the traits of
[01:22:31] European cultural heritage which we
[01:22:33] share with you uh in our hearts and our
[01:22:36] minds. What effect from your perspective
[01:22:40] have western sanctions had on Russia? Do
[01:22:43] you believe sanctions hurt Russia
[01:22:46] >> or helped?
[01:22:47] >> Uh oh yes. I mean uh we invited I mean I
[01:22:50] have been calling for confrontation with
[01:22:53] with the west long before we uh
[01:22:58] stopping stopping I mean the expansion
[01:22:59] of NATO etc. long before we decided.
[01:23:04] Now of course I mean economically wise
[01:23:07] it they hurt but strategically wise,
[01:23:11] political wise, cultural wise they have
[01:23:13] been a blessing. We have with with the
[01:23:16] help we have we invited fire uh
[01:23:20] unfriendly fire on our own. We have done
[01:23:23] away with comprador elites. Uh we have
[01:23:26] thrown away without any repressions uh
[01:23:30] the fifth column. uh we are returning uh
[01:23:33] back uh our Russian culture, our Russian
[01:23:36] soul. We uh we're becoming Russians and
[01:23:40] uh
[01:23:43] the only problem with this uh sanctions
[01:23:45] and with this war is that we have to pay
[01:23:48] for it with the lives of our best men.
[01:23:52] But other than that, it has been a they
[01:23:54] have been a blessing and I do not want
[01:23:57] them uh to be uh uh lifted.
[01:24:03] Of course, someone should be so
[01:24:06] relationship and be some additional
[01:24:09] money. But Russia uh which is uh
[01:24:15] threatened
[01:24:16] uh is uh uh is again a warfighting
[01:24:22] nation. We are a nation of warriors and
[01:24:26] when we started to be attacked even
[01:24:29] indirectly now directly then we return
[01:24:31] to our best and that's why the country
[01:24:34] is
[01:24:36] is experienced unbelievable releases.
[01:24:38] The only problem is that we're losing
[01:24:42] best man that should be stopped.
[01:24:46] >> And so, and that leads to my uh last
[01:24:48] question, Mr. Caronov, which is you've
[01:24:52] described this as as as a war, a
[01:24:54] civilizational war between Russia and
[01:24:56] Europe.
[01:24:58] What role does the United States, our
[01:25:01] administration, our president play in
[01:25:03] ending it? What can President Trump do
[01:25:06] to end the war? Well, I mean, Americans
[01:25:08] were very crucial in starting this war
[01:25:11] because the uh the whole problem started
[01:25:14] in
[01:25:16] early 2000s when uh American
[01:25:18] administration
[01:25:20] uh started to pedal uh to prop up the uh
[01:25:25] European issue because they were afraid
[01:25:27] of uh possibility of building a
[01:25:31] continental alliance between uh Russia
[01:25:33] and Germany. Uh so in a way Americans
[01:25:38] are also the source have been a source
[01:25:40] of the problem. As to the uh Trump
[01:25:43] administration offer I didn't like the
[01:25:48] uh the offer which Mr. Trump offered
[01:25:51] because it doesn't solve the real
[01:25:53] problem and the real problem is
[01:25:56] uh European hostility, European
[01:25:58] aggression.
[01:26:00] uh but for the time being we should use
[01:26:02] this opportunity if possible.
[01:26:05] Uh and then uh uh of course we all know
[01:26:10] that President Trump uh is curtail his
[01:26:16] internal affairs and also now we see
[01:26:20] that his offers are deluded and uh by
[01:26:24] all kind of efforts from within and by
[01:26:29] his quote unquote uh allies. Uh but if
[01:26:33] we
[01:26:34] but we could try him
[01:26:37] uh for a while with his offer maybe
[01:26:41] eventually
[01:26:43] we would end up with the uh solution of
[01:26:46] the problem. Uh and that is solution of
[01:26:48] the problem is of course as I've said uh
[01:26:52] is Europe. Uh however uh I do not
[01:26:57] foresee that unfortunately that
[01:26:59] possibility. So even if we stop this
[01:27:01] war, we should be prepared
[01:27:04] when the war zoos are to do away with
[01:27:07] the source of this war and that is
[01:27:12] uh
[01:27:14] hostility of European elites
[01:27:18] and their willingness to uh fuel uh
[01:27:22] warfare on the European uh subcontinent.
[01:27:27] But let's give ch a chance. Although I'm
[01:27:31] not sure whether
[01:27:34] he or we
[01:27:36] could succeed under the circumstances.
[01:27:39] You know the internal situation in
[01:27:41] United States better. And also by the
[01:27:44] way we could not rely uh with all our
[01:27:48] respect to your president on him. he has
[01:27:52] a country behind him uh which is deeply
[01:27:55] divided. Uh he he has a huge opposition
[01:28:00] and then he's also uh playing full
[01:28:06] games.
[01:28:08] uh and so I don't think I hope we could
[01:28:11] arrange something
[01:28:13] but uh
[01:28:16] we are watching very carefully the fact
[01:28:19] that presidential administration has
[01:28:23] abducted the leader of a big country.
[01:28:27] Uh we are watching very carefully
[01:28:31] that uh American
[01:28:33] uh marines
[01:28:36] uh acting like pirates on high seas uh
[01:28:40] seizing tankers
[01:28:42] uh wearing Russian flags, Russian
[01:28:44] panners.
[01:28:46] Uh if uh that continues we will have uh
[01:28:50] to uh
[01:28:53] go back to rough deterrence but we would
[01:28:56] like to have uh uh if not cordial but
[01:29:02] good relationship with the United States
[01:29:05] and with other uh uh two great countries
[01:29:10] in the world. But we'll see whether uh
[01:29:13] he he could deliver. I think he wants to
[01:29:16] deliver but whether he's able
[01:29:20] is a big question. So we keep our
[01:29:22] fingers crossed
[01:29:25] and uh let's give us babys sure. We hope
[01:29:30] that he is sincere
[01:29:32] but we do not trust
[01:29:35] uh American policies and to certain
[01:29:38] extent his proposals look like a honey
[01:29:46] trap uh because uh nothing happens
[01:29:49] continue the war
[01:29:53] talking about peace peace peace peace I
[01:29:55] mean referring to a
[01:29:58] who knows whom Zalinski or other
[01:30:01] pigments in in Europe who are blocking
[01:30:03] it and uh it seems that this war
[01:30:08] is continuing and maybe
[01:30:11] United States in the end do not want to
[01:30:13] finish this war. So then we'll have to
[01:30:17] uh
[01:30:19] come back to the the solution which I
[01:30:24] have mentioned several times and that is
[01:30:27] of starting to punish our uh European
[01:30:32] enemies
[01:30:34] uh with an understanding hopefully that
[01:30:39] uh United States would
[01:30:42] and knowing that they would refer
[01:30:44] refrain from uh participating in a
[01:30:47] nuclear war in Europe.
[01:30:52] >> I I think it's important for um American
[01:30:55] policy makers and the and the American
[01:30:57] uh citizenry, the country to understand
[01:30:59] uh the Russian perspective and I I'm
[01:31:01] grateful that you gave it to us, Mr.
[01:31:02] Caronov. Thank you very much for your
[01:31:04] time.
[01:31:04] >> Thank you. It was a pleasure.
[01:31:06] >> Thank you for me, too. Thanks very much
[01:31:08] for watching. We will see you next
[01:31:10] Wednesday.
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