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1 2 3 4 DIGITALLY RECORDED 5 SWORN STATEMENT 6 OF 7 8 9 OIG CASE #: 10 2019-010614 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE 19 OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL 20 MARCH 16, 2022 21 22 23 24 25 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES Phone: EFTA00117192 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 APPEARANCES: 2 3 OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL 4 BY: 5 BY: 6 7 8 WITNESS: 9 10 11 12 OTHER APPEARANCES: 13 NONE 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 EFTA00117193 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. : This is Special Agent 2 Today is March 16th, and the time is 3 9:55 a.m. The recorder is now on. My name is 4 I am a Special Agent with the 5 U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the 6 Inspector General, New York Field Office, and 7 these are my credentials. 8 MS. : Thank you, sir. 9 MR. : This interview with the 10 Federal Bureau of Prisons employee, Lieutenant 11 , is being conducted as part of 12 an official U.S. Department of Justice, Office 13 of the Inspector General investigation. 14 Today's date is March 16th, 2022. The 15 time is 9:56 a.m. This interview is being 16 conducted at the Federal Bureau of Prisons 17 Metropolitan Detention Center, Brooklyn, New 18 York, warden's conference room. 19 Also present are DOJ/OIG Assistant Special 20 Agent-in-Charge, , Lieutenant 21 This interview will be 22 recorded by me, Special Agent 23 Could everyone please themselves for the 24 record, and spell your last name? To start, 25 again, I am DOJ/OIG Special Agent EFTA00117194 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 2 MR. : Assistant Special Agent- 3 in-Charge with the DOJ/OIG 4 and these are my credentials. 5 MS. : Yes, sir. 6 MR. : Please identify yourself. 7 MS. : Lieutenant 8 . Last name 9 With the Federal Bureau of Prisons. 10 MR. : This is an official DOJ/OIG 11 investigation into events surrounding the death 12 of inmate Jeffrey Epstein, and you are being 13 asked to voluntarily provide answers to our 14 questions. Will you agree to a voluntary 15 interview with the DOJ/OIG? 16 MS. : Yes. 17 MR. : Please review DOJ/OIG form 18 11I-226/2. The form states, United States 19 Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector 20 General, Warnings and Assurances to Employee 21 Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary 22 Basis. 23 "You are being asked to provide 24 information as part of an investigation being 25 conducted by the Office of the Inspector EFTA00117195 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 5 1 General. This investigation is being conducted 2 pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, 3 as amended. 4 This investigation pertains to job 5 performance failure and security failure. This 6 is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do 7 not have to answer questions. No disciplinary 8 action will be taken against you if you choose 9 not to answer questions. 10 Any statement you furnish may be used as 11 evidence in any future criminal proceedings, or 12 agency disciplinary proceeding, or both." The 13 waiver states, "I understand the Warnings and 14 Assurances stated above, and I am willing to 15 make a statement and answer questions. 16 No promises or threats have been made to 17 me, and no pressure or coercion of any kind has 18 been used against me." Please review the form 19 and if you understand and agree, please sign 20 where it says Employee Signature. 21 MS. : Okay. 22 MR. : And print your name right 23 below that. 24 MS. : Below that. Okay. 25 MR. : I'm going to sign on the EFTA00117196 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 6 1 signature of the Office of Inspector General. 2 MR. : Okay. And this is 3 , and I will sign as the witness and 4 fill out the rest of the form. What is the 5 time, 6 MR. : It is 9:59 a.m. 7 MR. : 9:59 a.m., and the place 8 is the MDC Brooklyn. 9 MR. : Thank you. Before starting 10 the interview, I would like to place you under 11 oath. Lieutenant , can you please raise 12 your right hand? 13 MS. : Sure. 14 MR. : Do you swear to the tell the 15 truth and nothing but the truth during this 16 interview? 17 MS. : Yes, sir. 18 MR. : Thank you. You can put your 19 hand down. 20 MS. : Okay. 21 MR. : Please let me know if you 22 don't understand any questions, and I will try 23 to repeat it, or try to rephrase it for you. 24 MS. : Okay. 25 MR. : Thank you for taking the time EFTA00117197 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 7 1 to meet with us today. You previously told us 2 - we'll jump right into it - you met with us in 3 the past. 4 MS. : Yes. 5 MR. : And you previously told us 6 that you were off on August 9th, 2019. That 7 was a Friday. Do you recall? 8 MS. : On August 9th, 2019? I think 9 I was off on the Friday. I think my last day 10 of working was August 8th, I think it was. 11 MR. : August 8th. And do you 12 recall mentioning to us about an issue with the 13 camera -- 14 MS. : Yes. 15 MR. : -- system? 16 MS. : Yes. 17 MR. : And you had addressed that 18 situation with the communications technician 19 Hughwon 20 MS. : Yes. 21 MR. : And you remember mentioned, 22 think the conversation was between - you want 23 to tell us a little bit about it again? Your 24 recollection of it. 25 MS. : Sure. I was - after I was EFTA00117198 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 reviewing the camera, I was looking for an 2 inmate that may have possibly departed the 3 building. So, I was, I went to the camera to 4 review the, to see if I can backtrack exactly 5 when he left the building. 6 I was present at the SIS office, with the 7 Associate Warden from MCC New York at the time, 8 which is , we both were looking at the 9 camera, and at that moment, I noticed I 10 couldn't rewind on the cameras. 11 So, I couldn't get any playback. At that 12 moment, we stopped, you know, like, searching 13 for the inmate because we couldn't go back any 14 further than the time we were at. And at that 15 time, I notified communications tech 16 I called him over the radio and let him 17 know, hey, I'm trying to rewind back the 18 cameras, and the cameras won't rewind. And he 19 said he will come and take a look at the system 20 and see what was going on. 21 And which he did. He did come down and he 22 looked at the system, and he said he has to do 23 overtime to fix the system. At that moment, 24 notified Captain . I apologized 25 that the cameras was down, and I also provided EFTA00117199 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 9 1 him with a memorandum, letting him know that 2 the camera system was down. 3 MR. : Okay. And we were able to -- 4 MR. : Before we get into that, 5 though -- 6 MS. : Okay. I'm sorry. 7 MR. : -- as far as the - so, 8 there was a discrepancy with what you said and 9 what said. Did you just rewind one 10 and that's not a big discrepancy - just, did 11 you rewind one video at that time, the one you 12 were trying to look at, or did you rewind 13 multiple, to determine that the -? 14 MS. : No. I went back on quite a 15 few. 16 MR. : And was that with 17 present? 18 MS. : I can't remember if she 19 stayed -- 20 MR. : Okay. 21 MS. : -- while I was going back at 22 the cameras, to be honest with you. 23 MR. : Because she was saying -- 24 MS. : But I -. 25 MR. : -- she thought it was EFTA00117200 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 just one while she was there, so -- 2 MS. : Right. 3 MR. : -- if it's -. 4 MS. : I can't remember if she 5 stayed, but I did go back on several cameras on 6 the housing units and different areas, to see 7 can I -- 8 MR. : Okay. 9 MS. -- rewind. 10 MR. : So, you did, but she 11 possibly didn't. 12 MS. : Yes. Yes. 13 MR. : Okay. Great. 14 MR. : So, we were able to identify, 15 with your assistance, through this document was 16 provided to , and provided this 17 to the MCC attorneys, who in turn provided it 18 to the OIG. 19 MS. : Okay. 20 MR. : And this is the memo that was 21 written by you. I'm going to read it out for 22 the record. Up top it says, the United States 23 Government Memorandum. Federal Bureau of 24 Prisons. MCC New York. New 25 York. The date is August 10th, 2019, from T. EFTA00117201 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 , SIS Lieutenant to J. , Captain. 2 MS. : Mm-hmm. 3 MR. : Subject is, "NiceVision 4 (Phonetic Sp. *00:07:26) camera system." "On 5 August 8th, 2019, at approximately 3:45 p.m., 6 while reviewing the Nice camera system, I 7 attempted to recover video footage from the 8 unit 5-South housing unit." 9 MS. : Yes. 10 MR. "At this time, I was unable 11 to recover any previous recordings from the 12 camera. This prompting me to review all of the 13 cameras. None of the cameras on the system 14 were able to record. 15 Therefore, I called communication 16 MEM technician ENE , via radio. At 17 approximately 4:00 p.m., responding to 18 the third floor phone monitoring room to check 19 the cameras, and notified me that the cameras 20 were not recording, and there was no way to 21 retrieve any video. stated he fixed the 22 camera system on Friday, August 9th, 2019, when 23 he arrived to work." 24 MS. : Mm-hmm. 25 MR. : Do you recall writing this EFTA00117202 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 memo? 2 MS. : Yes. 3 MR. : Is this the memo? Okay. 4 MS. : Yes. 5 MR. : Just to clarify, the date 6 that you wrote the memo will be on August 10th? 7 MS. : Yes. 8 MR. : This would be the Saturday 9 following -- 10 MS. : Yes, sir. It would be the 11 Saturday. 12 MR. : And August 9th, you were off? 13 MS. : Yes. I'm almost sure I 14 wasn't there the Friday. I'm almost sure that 15 I wasn't in the building. 16 MR. : That last sentence, that's 17 the -- 18 MR. : Well, first, just to 19 clarify, the August 10th. So, previously, and 20 I think again, you just, I think you assumed 21 you wrote it on August 8th, but it looks like 22 you actually wrote it on the 10th. 23 MS. : I did assume that I wrote it 24 on the 8th. 25 MR. : All right. EFTA00117203 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MS. : I did. 2 MR. : So, looking at that now, 3 do you know that it was now written on the 4 10th, on the Saturday, as opposed to on that 5 Thursday, when you first found out? 6 MS. : Yes. 7 MR. : Okay. So, that's not, 8 like, a misunderstanding? That's, now looking 9 at it, you're, like, oh, that's correct, you 10 actually wrote it on So, does that mean 11 that you didn't tell Captain until the 12 10th, as well? 13 MS. : No. I definitely told him 14 when the cameras was found, because he wouldn't 15 have had any footage, have anything occur. 16 MR. : Because when we spoke 17 with Captain , he didn't think he would 18 or he said he wasn't told until that Saturday. 19 He says he was never informed on that Thursday 20 or Friday. 21 So, we were just - now seeing that memo 22 we were trying to think, oh, maybe you were 23 just mistaken because you were very confident, 24 no, I told the Captain, and I provided him the 25 memo. So, seeing that, does that maybe make EFTA00117204 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 14 1 you think -? 2 MS. : No. I'm definitely positive 3 that I told him when the cameras was down 4 because we always do. 5 MR. : Okay. 6 MS. : Because if something 7 happened, we need to get footage at that 8 moment. 9 MR. : Uh-huh. 10 MS. : And I do recall him asking me 11 did I notify that the cameras was down, 12 and I told him I did 13 MR. : Okay. 14 MS. because was going 15 to stay to do overtime to fix them. 16 MR. : And you're positive that 17 that was on the 8th? 18 MS. : I'm positive -- 19 MR. : (Indiscernible 20 *00:10:03). 21 MS. : -- it was on the 8th. 22 MR. : Sorry. Go ahead. 23 MR. : Okay. And the last thing 24 says, " stated he fixed the camera system 25 on Friday, August 9th, when he arrived to EFTA00117205 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 15 1 work." Just to clarify, does that mean that he 2 - sorry, let me pause for a second. 3 UNKNOWN FEMALE: I'm sorry. Hi. Hi. How 4 are you? 5 MR. : We're on a recording, 6 just so you know. 7 MR. : So -. 8 UNKNOWN FEMALE: Oh, I'm sorry. 9 MR. : Okay. 10 MR. : Just to clarify, the last 11 statement -- 12 MS. : Yes. 13 MR. -- does that mean that he 14 fixed, stated, now, did tell you that he 15 fixed the camera on August 9th? Or does it 16 mean that he told you that he will come in on 17 August 9th and fix the camera? 18 MS. : No. On the 8th, he told me 19 he was staying that evening to fix the cameras. 20 When seen me on the 10th, when I entered 21 the Special Housing Unit, he was in there. I 22 don't know if he was working, if he was doing 23 overtime. 24 But as soon as I entered the Special 25 Housing Unit, Mr. immediately approached EFTA00117206 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 me. Immediately approached me, and I said, 2 well, what happened with the camera system? 3 Because we had this conversation that you will 4 fix it on the 8th. And he said I fixed it 5 yesterday. And then, I'm here today, which is 6 the 10th, to finish up. 7 MR. : So, you mean, he started 8 fixing it yesterday? 9 MS. : So, I'm assuming that, I 10 don't know if he started, or if he fixed it, 11 but I could only go by what he told me. I 12 fixed the camera system, and I'm here to finish 13 it up. 14 MR. : Because when you - when 15 we spoke to you last, you had mentioned that 16 you approached him and said, you told me you 17 were going to fix this, and you said, and then 18 he told you at that time, yeah, I came in here 19 today -- 20 MS. : Right. 21 MR. -- to do it. 22 MS. : Right. So, I was under the 23 assumption he started on the 9th, and he still 24 had - whatever he had left to do on the 10th, 25 and I assume that that's what he was there to EFTA00117207 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 do. 2 MR. : Okay. So, not that he 3 fixed it on the 9th, but he started to fix it 4 on the 9th? 5 MS. : Right. I feel like he 6 started to fix it on the 9th, and he was there 7 to finish up, because then he was actually on 8 overtime in an attempt to, if I'm correct. 9 MR. : Okay. 10 MS. : So, I assumed that he started 11 fixing it, and he was there to attempt to 12 finish it up. 13 MR. : So, should that last 14 sentence then read, he began fixing it on the 15 9th? Instead of he fixed it on the 9th? 16 MS. : It should, but again, I can't 17 recall. I don't want to say, you know, because 18 he told me he fixed the cameras. So, fixing to 19 me, I don't know the camera system. So -- 20 MR. : So, on the 9th, when they 21 knew that they couldn't actually get video, he 22 actually said, I did fix it yesterday? 23 MS. : No. On the 9th. I mean, 24 sorry, on the 10th. 25 MR. : That's what I mean, on EFTA00117208 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 the 10th. 2 MS. : When we arrived, and we 3 realized that there was no video over the 9th. 4 That's when he stated, I did overtime, I fixed 5 it yesterday. And then, we would, me and him 6 were having a conversation that it's no video. 7 You can't go back. And his thing was, I'm here 8 to finish up what I started yesterday. 9 MR. : Huh. 10 MS. : So, I don't 11 MR. : Was it -- 12 MS. -- know what he fixed, 13 because fixing to - I'm sorry - fixing can be 14 he bought all of the cameras back up, so the 15 cameras are online, but I don't know if they 16 were online to record, if that makes any sense. 17 MR. : And so, it's hard for us 18 to understand because if he's saying he fixed 19 it yesterday, and he's here to finish it today, 20 that sounds like it means he started fixing it 21 yesterday, and he's -- 22 MS. : Right. 23 MR. : -- but what his words 24 were, he fixed it yesterday? 25 MS. : His words was, I fixed it EFTA00117209 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 19 1 yesterday, and I'm here to finish up today. 2 Now, I don't know what the finish up part for 3 today was, to be honest with you. I'm assuming 4 the finishing up part was the to get them to 5 record, because they were blacked out. 6 MR. : Okay. 7 MS. : Most of the cameras were 8 blacked out. 9 MR. : Oh, so, they were 10 actually blacked out? So -- 11 MS. : It was some cameras that were 12 blacked out where it was no screen at all. 13 MR. : Okay. 14 MR. : This was on August 8th? 15 MS. : On August 8th. 16 MR. : Okay. So, he actually 17 got the cameras to not be blacked out anymore, 18 so meaning, he fixed the cameras that were 19 blacked out, and on the 10th, he was going to 20 get them to start recording? 21 MS. : That's what I assume. 22 MR. : Okay. 23 MS. : It's just an assumption 24 because when I got there the 10th, I didn't 25 physically go to see if the black out cameras EFTA00117210 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 20 1 was back online. 2 MR. : All right. So, when you 3 say fixed in that, you're talking about, he got 4 the cameras back up and running, but the 5 recording part was going to be fixed on the 6 10th? 7 MS. : That's my assumption. 8 MR. : Okay. 9 MS. : It's just an assumption. 10 Because I really can't say what he did. I can 11 only say -- 12 MR. : Well, it -- 13 MS. -- what he said. 14 MR. : -- if he said to you, on 15 the 10th, I fixed them yesterday, did you ask 16 him then, well, then, why can't we get the 17 recordings? 18 MS. : I didn't. 19 MR. : No? 20 MS. : I didn't. 21 MR. : Okay. 22 MS. : Hmm-mm. 23 MR. : But now, your assumption 24 is, he fixed the cameras to get them back up 25 and running, and on the 10th, he was going to EFTA00117211 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 fix the recording part. 2 MS. : He was there to finish 3 whatever that fixing was, and I'm assuming that 4 it was the recording part because they still 5 weren't recording on the 10th. 6 MR. : Okay. But that was an 7 assumption on your end? 8 MS. : That was just an assumption 9 on my end. 10 MR. : And you didn't ask him 11 anything further on that? 12 MS. : I didn't ask him anything 13 else. 14 MR. : Okay. Sorry. 15 MS. : No, I didn't. 16 MR. : Go ahead. 17 MR. : Do you recall having a 18 conversation with him on the 10th about him not 19 having access to the communication room? 20 MS. : No. 21 MR. : On the 9th. Him not being 22 able to access the room because there was no 23 one there to open the door for him? 24 MS. : No. No. And he would be 25 able to have access to the room because all of EFTA00117212 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 22 1 the keys are located in the control center. 2 MR. : But the center control would 3 be locked up, right? 4 MS. : The control center, they 5 would - my keys would have been locked behind, 6 like, an emergency glass. But he's accessed my 7 keys in the past to fix the cameras. 8 MR. : How would he access them? 9 MS. : He would get permission from 10 the captain to get my keys because that's who 11 has to authorize the keys. 12 MR. : And he would go to the 13 captain, and the captain would authorize it, 14 and he could just take the keys? 15 MS. : I would hope so -- 16 MR. : Mm-hmm. 17 MS. : -- that he would get 18 authorization, but he's been there late nights 19 when there has been nobody in SIS, fixing the 20 cameras. 21 MR. : And you recall specific 22 situations where the captain has authorized him 23 to take your keys and go into the room? 24 MS. : I can't say I was present 25 when he authorized him to take the keys. I'm EFTA00117213 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 not going to say that I was present. But -- 2 MR. : But you recall -- 3 MS. -- I recall times when I told 4 the captain, hey, is going to stay late 5 because the camera system is not working, and 6 the captain say, okay, I'll be here. And he 7 would be and have access to that room. 8 MR. : Does that mean was 9 given the keys, or the captain would go in and 10 open the door for him? 11 MS. : That, I'm not sure. 12 MR. : Okay. 13 MS. : That, I'm not sure. 14 MR. : So, do you remember 15 around, approximately, what time it was on 16 August 8th that you learned that the cameras 17 were down? 18 MS. : It was late in the afternoon. 19 MR. : And you're positive it 20 was late in the afternoon? 21 MS. : It was in the afternoon. 22 MR. : And when you were 23 determining that these cameras were down, you 24 actually saw that they were -- because this is 25 the first we're hearing that there were blacked EFTA00117214 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 24 1 out cameras, all along we've been told they 2 were up, they just weren't recording, so there 3 was no way to tell that they were 4 MS. : No. You -- 5 MR. : -- down. 6 MS. : -- you had some cameras that 7 were offline completely, with an X, I don't 8 know if you've ever seen a camera system. 9 MR. : So, was it still review, 10 videoing? Like, could you see it, but there 11 was this X on it, or was it just all black? 12 MS. : No. You couldn't see. 13 MR. : Okay. 14 MS. : You couldn't see. 15 MR. : And you're positive -- 16 MR. : So, seeing -. 17 MR. : -- about that? 18 MS. : I'm positive. 19 MR. : So -. 20 MR. : Okay. And then, so, 21 you're saying, and you're positive that it 22 happened late in the afternoon on August 8thf 23 MS. : Yes. 24 MR. : Because Captain 25 left early that day for a appointment EFTA00117215 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 25 1 on the 8th. So, that goes back to, are you 2 sure you told him on the 8th? Because he 3 wasn't there. 4 MS. : No. I spoke to Captain 5 about the cameras because he asked me, 6 was I going to fix the cameras? I know it 7 definitely was after the lunch, the lunch 8 break. So, between - it was afternoon time 9 between 12:00, 1:00. 10 MR. : All right. So, when you 11 say late afternoon, before, you're now thinking 12 it was actually early afternoon? 13 MS. : Well, that's late afternoon 14 for me when I get it -- 15 MR. : All right. 16 MS. : -- because I get in 5:00 in 17 the morning. So -- 18 MR. : Okay. 19 MS. -- I'm sorry. But it 20 definitely was somewhere after the inmates' 21 lunch. Between 12:00, 12:00 noon, I want to 22 say between 12:00 and 2:00. In that timeframe. 23 MR. : Okay. 24 MS. : I can't tell you exactly the 25 time. But it definitely was before I went EFTA00117216 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 home. 2 MR. : Okay. So, you're 3 positive they were blacked out, you're positive 4 you told Captain 5 MS. : Yes. 6 MR. : Sorry. Go ahead, 7 MR. : How many screens would you 8 think were blacked out? 9 MS. : I don't even want to guess 10 because it was a lot of cameras up there, but 11 it was a good many. I know the housing units 12 were recording. The blacked-out cameras, it 13 was a lot of the corridors where we buzzed the 14 doors, and we opened, a lot of the corridors 15 were out. I do remember that. I do remember 16 the units were up. The housing units were up. 17 MR. : So, let's talk about that for 18 a second. I know it's important for the 19 (Indiscernible *00:19:18), is it for the 20 cameras to be working? 21 MS. : Very. 22 MR. : Now, we have two situations. 23 One is, the camera feed not working, which 24 would mean being able to view the cameras live. 25 And second is the actual recordings not EFTA00117217 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 working. 2 MS. : Okay. 3 MR. : So, how important is it for 4 the camera feed to be working at all times? 5 MS. : Very. 6 MR. : Compared - I know, let's 7 talk, separate that out from the actual 8 recordings working. How often do people go in 9 and view the live feeds? 10 MS. : It's my - this is just, 11 again, I would say it should have been daily 12 because since I've been at MCC New York, normal 13 practice was that the communication shop came 14 up every morning, went into that area where, I 15 don't know, like, the motherboard was at. 16 And they checked it. So, that's what I've 17 always was used to happening. And they will 18 say, hey, you got some cameras down, or A, B, 19 C, and D, because SIS uses the cameras a lot. 20 You know? 21 We going back for video. We looking for 22 fights. Like, you know, they're up on our 23 desks sometimes who we're just seeing who's 24 doing what. So, I would say daily that they 25 definitely should be monitored. EFTA00117218 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. : Okay. And if the camera 2 feeds were not working, I understand the 3 recorder is not, that the recording is not 4 there. And we might have spoken about this in 5 the past, but should have gone home for 6 the day, or should the recordings, the feeds 7 been fixed immediately? 8 MS. : I kind of don't know the 9 process of fixing the feeds because I know it 10 was times he said he had to order new cameras. 11 So, I don't know if they were fixable where he 12 had to order new cameras, and had to wait for 13 cameras to come in. 14 So, I don't even, I don't even know, 15 honestly, if he would have been able to fix 16 those cameras that was out, or if he needed to 17 order new cameras to fix those cameras that was 18 out. 19 MR. : You mentioned there were 20 quite a few feeds out, right? 21 MS. : Yes. 22 MR. : Do you think it was possible 23 that he came in, he told you on the 10th that 24 he came in on the 9th and he fixed them. Is it 25 possible that he replaced all those cameras by EFTA00117219 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 the 9th? 2 MS. : Oh, I don't know. 3 MR. : Okay. Okay. 4 MS. : I don't know. 5 MR. : Any other follow up on that? 6 MR. : No. I mean, I don't 7 think he was replacing cameras. Are you 8 talking about, like, hard drives that go with 9 the cameras? 10 MR. : I think when she said about 11 the live feed -- 12 MR. : Yeah, yeah. 13 MR. : -- she meant in order to see 14 the live feed, he would have to replace some of 15 the cameras. 16 MR. : So, you think he actually 17 replaced the cameras 18 MS. : I don't know -- 19 MR. : -- or something? 20 MS. : -- if he would have to 21 replace them, but I know it was instances that 22 he would say, oh, I have to order new cameras. 23 So, I assume that those cameras are broke, and 24 they need to be replaced. 25 MR. : Okay. Okay. So, on the EFTA00117220 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 30 1 8th, though, you knew that there was actually 2 two problems. One, that they were blacked out; 3 and two, that they weren't recording. 4 MS. : Yes. 5 MR. : And the ones that weren't 6 recording, were they the same ones that were 7 blacked out? 8 MS. : Nothing was recording. At 9 all. 10 MR. : Nothing. You couldn't 11 find anything recording? 12 MS. : No. I couldn't. 13 MR. : Because our understanding 14 was half of the cameras were recording and half 15 of them weren't. Just the ones you checked 16 weren't recording. 17 MS. : Just the ones I checked. And 18 normally, that would be the housing areas will 19 be where I'll target because that's where the 20 inmates at, and that's where -- 21 MR. : Okay. 22 MS. : -- unfortunately, the 23 incidents usually are. 24 MR. : And what - you said prior 25 - I just want to make sure we're clear - with EFTA00117221 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 31 1 the ones that were blacked out were not the 2 housing units? 3 MS. : No. I don't recall any 4 housing units being blocked out. 5 MR. : But the housing units 6 were the ones that weren't recording? 7 MS. : Right. I know they weren't 8 recording. 9 MR. : So, there was just a 10 problem with basically all of the cameras that 11 you knew of. 12 MS. : It seemed that way to me now. 13 Yes. 14 MR. : And did you know, did you 15 provide that information to either or 16 Captain 17 MS. : No. Not about the whole 18 system because I kind of don't know how it 19 works. So, I said to hey, you got a 20 lot of areas that's blacked out. With a red X. 21 MR. : Okay. And then, so, 22 knowing all that information, what is it that 23 you told Captain 24 MS. : I just told him that I 25 couldn't get any - I couldn't go back. They EFTA00117222 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 weren't recording. 2 MR. : Okay. 3 MS. : I didn't say the whole 4 institution is not recording because I didn't 5 know. 6 MR. : Okay. 7 MS. : It's just the cameras that I 8 actually checked. 9 MR. : Okay. And did you tell 10 him if it was, like, more than one, though? Or 11 did you just say, hey, I can't get anything 12 recording, is coming to fix it? 13 MS. : I can't recall saying more 14 than one. 15 MR. : Okay. 16 MS. : I can't recall using those 17 words. 18 MR. : All right. And what 19 about ? Did you, then, fill her in 20 after you were reviewing the one camera? 21 MS. : No. No. She left. 22 MR. : She left -- 23 MS. : Yeah. 24 MR. : -- so, and you never 25 talked to her -- EFTA00117223 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MS. : No. 2 MR. : -- about it again. 3 MS. : Hmm-mm. 4 MR. : All right. And did she 5 know the cameras were down, or did she just 6 know that you were having a problem rewinding? 7 MS. : I think she - to be honest 8 with you - she only knew that I had a problem 9 because I couldn't playback that one unit. 10 MR. : Okay. 11 MS. : Because that's the unit that 12 we were looking at, which were the cadre units, 13 that they go home and go different places. 14 Because after we couldn't find that inmate, she 15 kind of just left. 16 MR. : Okay. And have you 17 spoken with since we last spoke? 18 MS. : No. 19 MR. : No? 20 MS. : No. 21 MR. : So, you didn't talk about 22 this matter with her? 23 MS. : No. I just received, I want 24 to say an email, or it might have been - I 25 can't even say it was after or before, but I EFTA00117224 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 34 1 did receive notification from her that she CC'd 2 me on an email about my documentation because 3 these were my documents that were in her 4 office. 5 So, she said, hey, I just want to let you 6 know that I gave them to the warden, whoever 7 the warden was at that time, that was acting. 8 And he stated he would give them to legal. 9 MR. : Okay. 10 MS. : And that was it. 11 MR. : And that's regarding your 12 memo that we have right here? 13 MS. : All of my documents. 14 MR. : Okay. 15 MS. : Yeah. 16 MR. : All right. 17 MS. : This would have been included 18 19 MR. : And what about -- 20 MS. in a pile of documents. 21 MR. : -- and what about Captain 22 ? Have you spoken with him since we last 23 spoke? 24 MS. : No. 25 MR. : Not at all? EFTA00117225 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MS. : I haven't seen him. 2 MR. : Okay. 3 MR. : Do you recall the video that 4 you were trying to pull up on August 8th? When 5 you were trying to rewind. Were you trying to 6 rewind the video for just that day, or from a 7 previous day? 8 MS. : I was trying to go back to 9 that day, at that (Indiscernible *00:25:33) 10 MR. : So, for August 8th. 11 MS. -- yes. 12 MR. : Not August 7th, 6th, or 13 anything like that. 14 MS. : No. 15 MR. : Okay. 16 MS. : No. 17 MR. : And you said it was 5- 18 South? 19 MS. : It was 5 -. It was, I think 20 we were looking at 5-South and the 5-South 21 sally port. That may be a little foreign. 22 It's like the hallway. 23 MR. : Yeah, sure. 24 MS. : In between the two doors. 25 MR. : That's where the elevator is. EFTA00117226 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 MR. : And what 2 MS. : Right. 3 MR. : And what is 5-South? 4 MS. : 5-South was the cadre unit. 5 MR. : The cadre unit. 6 MS. : Yes. 7 MR. : All right. And can you 8 just explain, briefly, what does the cadre unit 9 mean? 10 MS. : The cadre units are inmates 11 that was designated to MCC New York. So, they 12 was very in custody inmates, out custody 13 inmates, community custody inmates, but their 14 designation was to MCC New York. 15 MR. : So, does that mean 16 general population, or is it something 17 different than general population? 18 MS. : No. They're general 19 population. 20 MR. : Okay. 21 MS. : Yes. They call them the work 22 cadres. So, they work around the building, in 23 different departments. 24 MR. : So, I'm going to clarify that 25 a little bit. A majority of MCC New York, are EFTA00117227 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 1 the inmates awaiting trial? 2 MS. : Yes. Pre-trial. 3 MR. : Pre-trial. Cadre unit, are 4 those inmates already sentenced? 5 MS. : Yes. 6 MR. : So, these are post-sentence 7 inmates. They are assigned to, already 8 sentenced, and they