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From: J <[email protected]>
To: Lawrence Krauss
Subject: Re: Krauss settlement agreement - revised draft
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 10:27:14 +0000
stop -- just sign it
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 3:24 AM Lawrence Krauss < > wrote:
I am prepared to sign today. I want the retirement date in their announcement. We can put that in and I am
ready to sign. As I texted you I want to have them hold off on releasing the other does because they defame my
exec assistant. I am working on redacted version of my appeal document taking out names and identifiers.
Lawrence M. Krauss
Professor
School of Earth & S.ace Ex !oration and Ph sics De artment
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On Oct 18, 2018, at 8:59 AM, J leevacation®gmail.com> wrote:
enough, i will not pay anymore money for hours of silliness if you dont sign they will fire, you
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 1:49 AM Lawrence Krauss < > wrote:
I want the retirement date on the Unviersity announcement.. i.e. may 16, 2019.
On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:15 PM, Lawrence Krauss < > wrote:
I think we definitely need to have them hold back on the pry's for a bit. They definitely defame others,
including the former exec director of origins. So when we talk tomorrow we can talk to them about
contract but we will need to tell them that contract can be executed but we need to have a separate
discussion about pry's and the should not be distributed when the university makes its announcement.
That really is it for the night.
Lawrence M. Krauss
Professor
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On Oct 17, 2018, at 11:04 PM, Lawrence Krauss < > wrote:
Saw the Fr's. We will have to require that the release my appeal documents in this case appropriately
edited so names are removed. This will require separate negotiation separate from the contract so when
we correspond back I think we need to say that they need to hold off on pi's till we can agree on a set
of docs including an appropriatey edited version of my appeal docs (all 3) edited to remove names or an
agreement that I will release those contemporaneously.
Anyway that is it for the night. Back to sleep now on plane and we can all talk in the am.
Thanks.
Lawrence M. Krauss
Professor
School of Earth & Space Exploration and Physics Department
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On Oct 17, 2018, at 8:40 PM, Justin Dillon < > wrote:
Lawrence,
Here's the latest.
As to Origins, I will defer to you. I see her point, and I think the language looks OK, but you are more
attuned to the nuances of this issue than I am.
As to the mutual release, I think the language is fine, but maybe we should ask that they release your
appeal with those documents, or at least agree that your releasing your appeal will not constitute
disparagement. (And honestly, we may not need them to agree to that, since you would just be
releasing a previously submitted document.) I doubt they would agree to this—they would likely say
that they don't release things that people don't ask for—but we could ask. That said, I suspect that
anyone who's made the public records request will reach out to you for comment—at which point you
could send them the appeal. Anyway, let me know what you think about that.
Finally, as to the silly reintroduction of the deadline, I have already emailed her to say that you're on a
plane to Germany and I thought we were past the point of setting fake deadlines. So although it would
be nice to get it done by tomorrow, I would not stress too much about that if you need more time,
given the three time zones we currently have in play.
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Bottom line: if you're OK with the Origins language, I think we could sign this version. But I am, of
course, happy to discuss it. I have a breakfast meeting tomorrow at 8 but should be at my desk by
9:30.
Thanks, and hope your flight was good.
Justin
Justin Dillon
KaiserDillon PLLC
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From: Kimberly Demarchi
Subject: RE: Krauss settlement agreement - re% ised draft
Date: October 17, 2018 at 8:34:20 PM EDT
To: 'Justin Dillon'
Justin,
Attached is a revised draft agreement in clean and redline versions. My clients have authorized me to extend
this offer through 5:00 p.m. Arizona time tomorrow October 18.
The substantive changes are in two sections —the donated funds and the mutual release. Let me provide
some context in the hope that it may be helpful.
With regard to the donated funds, please understand that what your client is asking for is highly unusual.
Gifts to the ASU Foundation are irrevocable and the ASU Foundation does not generally return or transfer
funds absent unusual circumstances. In addition, because the fund maintained by the ASU Foundation to
accept gifts to support the Origins Project has had hundreds of donors over a period of nearly ten years,
making a determination of how much of any particular donor's funds are available for transfer is complex
and must be done with appropriate care for the Foundation's accounting obligations and its obligations
toward other donors who gave to the fund and have not consented to the transfer. This is different from a
research grant, which is accounted for individually and for which transfer is not uncommon as principal
investigators move to different institutions. The attached draft reflects the complex and unusual nature of
this request and the necessity that the Foundation make any determinations regarding the calculation of
funds and regarding any requirements for the form in which it needs the donor's consent or direction
regarding the transfer.
With regard to the mutual statement, we have removed the global reference to confidentiality and re-
captioned this paragraph. We don't want to suggest that we're making an agreement prohibited by A.R.S.
12-720(D), which we aren't, given the specific provisions regarding non-disparaging statements and the
release of public records. At this point, the provisions of the agreement doing the work are really the public
records and non-disparagement provisions.
There are also a handful of non-substantive changes — adding a missing possessive apostrophe and changing
the line spacing to keep the signature lines together and on a page with other text.
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Also, in the spirit of compliance with what will be paragraph 5(b) if we reach agreement, I am attaching two
sets of documents that the University anticipates releasing in response to pending public records requests at
or near the time of the release of the public statement (should we reach agreement). Under our public
records statute, we have been able to hold off on making these responses during the pending proceedings,
but once we make a public statement we won't be able to hold onto them and still comply with a
requirement of prompt disclosure. Given the requirements of Rule 4.2, I don't think I can send these to your
client directly (as we contemplate would be the case for any future disclosures once the agreement is
signed), so I am providing them to you instead.
I look forward to your response.
Best wishes,
Kim
Kimberly A. Demarchi
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From: Justin Dillon <
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 7:41 AM
To: Kimberly Demarchi < •
Subject: Re: Krauss settlement agreement - revised draft
Kim,
Thanks for the quick response. And yes, I think that change makes a lot of sense.
Justin
Justin Dillon
KaiserDillon PLLC
On Oct 16, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Kimberly Demarchi < wrote:
Justin,
I think I understand where you're going with these revisions, and I will follow up with my clients.
One quick clarifying question, though. Should the paragraphs be broken up as follows, rather than having
the sentence "Only...." as part of subparagraph (b)?
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4. If, in the next 90 days, any of the following donors to the ASU Foundation to support the
Origins Project makes a request to transfer funds (outlined below) to another nonprofit organization, ASU
will not oppose the transfer of funds and will request that the ASU Foundation make the requested
transfer:
(a) All funds from major donors (those who contributed or pledged $5,000 or more, including
multiple donations from a single family) since January 1, 2017;
(b) unexpended funds from single major donors in excess of $300,000 since 2010. Professor Krauss
will provide a list directly to the ASU Foundation of the donors that, to his knowledge, fall in these
categories, and the ASU Foundation will be solely responsible for confirming its validity, and if
necessary reporting back to Professor Krauss with names added or removed from this list.
Only requests from these individuals or groups will be considered for transfer. It is expected that this list
will include fewer than 20 donors, and based on the estimates available at the current time of ASU
Foundation funds not expended as of October 2018, it is expected that the total available funds for this
purpose will not be less than $1million dollars, and not more than $1.3 million dollars. However, the ASU
Foundation shall be solely responsible for providing an accounting of the amount of funds available for
transfer under this arrangement.
Thanks,
Kim
From: Justin Dillon c
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 7:20 AM
To: Kimberly Demarchi <
Subject: Re: Krauss settlement agreement - revised draft
Kim,
Attached is my redline back. I made only two changes—one small change making clear that the agreed-
upon public statement will be released "by ASU," and one big change about the Origins money. I think it
might make sense for us to discuss this by phone. I completely understand ASU's money-is-fungible
concerns, but I think this gets around it (especially since this money was donated for the Origins Project,
and there is no more Origins Project). In any event, please let me know what you think. As you might
imagine, this is a very important issue for Professor Krauss.
Thanks,
Justin
Justin Dillon
KaiserDillon PLLC
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On Oct 15, 2018, at 9:31 PM, Kimberly Demarchi wrote:
Thanks, Justin. That's fine.
Kimberly A. Demarchi
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From: Justin Dillon <
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 5:17 PM
To: Kimberly Demarchi c
Subject: Re: Krauss settlement agreement - revised draft
Thanks, Kim. Given the lateness of the hour here and Professor Krauss's travel schedule, I will get back to
you tomorrow about this.
Justin Dillon
KaiserDillon PLLC
On Oct 15, 2018, at 8:00 PM, Kimberly Demarchi < wrote:
Justin,
I've attached a revised agreement for your review. As you've requested, I've revised the disclaimer
obligation to extend to any ASU employee, rather than just the Participating Employees. I've also made
some grammatical and clarifying revisions to that sentence.
I've also now gotten the information needed to respond on the proposed terms regarding donors who
gave money to the ASU Foundation for the Origins Project. As it turns out, there are hundreds of
unique donors, many of whom have given small amounts of money over the last ten years. Agreeing to
unravel exactly how much of each of those donors' money is left at this point in time just is not
feasible. However, the University is willing to agree that it would not oppose a request from the
Black Family Foundation to transfer any of its donations that remain unspent and would request that
the ASU Foundation honor the request. The ASU Foundation would of course have to have final
responsibility for calculating the amount of funds unspent and available for transfer. I've made those
revisions on the attached as well.
Please let me know your thoughts.
Best wishes,
Kim
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Kimberly A. Demarchi
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From: Justin Dillon <
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 8:52 AM
To: Kimberly Demarchi <
Subject: Re: Krauss settlement agreement - revised draft
Kim,
I think what you propose is fine, but I think the word "Participating" in the last sentence is a typo. I
think ASU is agreeing to, if asked, make the disavowal statement regarding any ASU employee
(Participating or not) who purports to speak on ASU's behalf, right? That doesn't mean suppression, of
course —just disavowal. Let me know what you think.
Also, Prof. Krauss is flying to Mexico today, so just to manage your own timing concerns, I suspect we
won't be inking this until tomorrow. He should be fine once he's settled into the hotel.
Thanks, and feel free to call me if you'd like to discuss anything else.
Justin
Justin Dillon
KaiserDillon PLLC
On Oct 15, 2018, at 1:11 AM, Kimberly Demarchi > wrote:
Justin,
I've reviewed your revisions, and I have some concerns about the non-disparagement provision. One
of them (in the text preceding the lettered provisions) is just grammatical, but the others are
substantive.
ASU can't bind the participating employees not to speak in their private capacities. The most we can
agree is that we will respond if they speak in a way that suggests they're speaking for ASU, and clarify
that they are not doing so. We also can and have proposed to agree to bind the relevant
administrators who would, by virtue of their positions, be deemed to speak on behalf of the
University.
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In addition, while I'm sensitive to your concerns about the difficulty of defining media, I think we can
agree that the need for such correction would only be necessary for statements that were in a public
context.
I've tried to address both of those issues (along with the odd grammar) in this version of the non-
disparagement provision:
Non-Disparagement. Except as provided by law, the parties agree that they will refrain from
making any statements that are disparaging of the other. This means that: (a) Krauss will
refrain from making any statements that are disparaging of ASU and the President, the
Executive Vice-President and Provost, the Dean of the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, the
Dean of Natural Sciences of the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, the Director of the School
of Earth and Space Exploration, and the employees who participated in the ASU Office of
Equity and Inclusion investigation (all collectively referred to hereafter as the "Participating
Employees") and (b) the President, the Executive Vice-President and Provost, the Dean of the
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, the Dean of Natural Sciences of the College of Liberal Arts
and Sciences, and the Director of the School of Earth and Space Exploration will refrain from
making any statements that are disparaging of Krauss. For purposes of this provision, a
"disparaging statement" is any statement related to this personnel review process intended to
impugn the integrity of the individuals and institutions identified in this paragraph or any
statement that is intended to adversely affect their reputational interests. If any of the
Participating Employees makes a disparaging statement about Krauss to the media or in
another public context that could reasonably be perceived as speaking on behalf of ASU, then,
if asked to comment, ASU will respond that the Participating Employee spoke on their own
behalf and not on behalf of ASU. Releasing factual information, or producing records in
response to a public records request, will not constitute a violation of this provision.
Please let me know your thoughts.
Also, please keep in mind that I'm still waiting for some information on the donor provision and
whether we can agree to what you've requested. I will know more about that tomorrow.
Kim
From: Justin Dillon .
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 5:52 PM
To: Kimberly Demarchi <
Subject: Re: Krauss settlement agreement - revised draft
Kim,
I apologize, but I accidentally attached the wrong version. This correct version omits "due to Krauss's
decision to retire" from Paragraph 2, makes a parallel change in Paragraph 1, capitalizes Agreement,
and fixes a few typos.
Thanks,
Justin
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Justin Dillon
KaiserDillon PLLC
On Oct 14, 2018, at 4:32 PM, Justin Dillon > wrote:
Kim,
My redline is attached. I think this should address our various concerns, but please let me know
what you think.
Thanks,
Justin
Justin Dillon
On Oct 13, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Kimberly Demarchi wrote:
Justin,
I'm still conferring with my clients, but I have some feedback to give you now, which is reflected in
the attached draft.
First, the revisions to the non-disparagement provisions you've proposed aren't going to work on
our end. Not only is ASU too large to effectively guarantee compliance by everyone at the
University, but we have strong protections in both University policy and state law for free speech
by faculty, staff, and students in their private capacity. That's why the original draft specified
particular individuals in leadership positions as the ones bound by the provisions, rather than the
entire University. The attached version has some revisions that I hope address your client's
concerns while being feasible on our end.
Second, I've taken out the references to Professor Krauss being a Physics professor as well as in
SESE. As a technical matter, ASU faculty only have a single home department, even when they
periodically (or regularly) teach in other departments, and Professor Krauss's appointment was as
faculty in SESE. I've attached his appointment letter so you can see. We'll need to use the correct
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language in the agreement and any public statement. If he'd prefer for the public statement to just
say he has resigned his position as a professor (without specifying the department), that would be
fine too — I've made that change in the attached so you can see what the statement looks like
without referencing the specific department.
Lastly, the feedback I've gotten so far about the list of donors has included some concerns about
the catchall provision you proposed (unspecified donors who went on an expedition). We're
looking into the feasibility of that on our end, and in the interim I've taken the catchall provision
out. If there's more specificity you can provide about how many donors are in this catchall
category, or more names for the list, that may be helpful.
Would you let me know your client's position on these issues, and I'll present the final agreement
for approval by ASU leadership?
Thanks,
Kim
From: Justin Dillon <
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 2:45 PM
To: Kimberly Demarchi <
Subject: Re: Krauss settlement agreement - revised draft
Kim,
Here's my redline. If ASU will agree to this, we are prepared to sign today. Please feel free to call
me at if you would like to discuss anything.
Thanks,
Justin
Justin Dillon
KaiserDillon PLLC
On Oct 12, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Kimberly Demarchi < wrote:
Here's the Word document. I've reached out about the extension and will get back to you.
From: Justin Dillon <
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 12:56 PM
To: Kimberly Demarchi <
Subject: Re: Krauss settlement agreement - revised draft
Also, would you mind sending this to me in Word so I can redline as needed?
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Thanks,
Justin
Justin Dillon
KaiserDillon PLLC
On Oct 12, 2018, at 3:08 PM, Kimberly Demarchi < wrote:
Justin,
I'm writing to follow up on our conversation and correspondence yesterday regarding the
proposed settlement.
ASU is willing to agree that any funds donated by the Brown Foundation that remain unspent
may be transferred from the ASU Foundation to another non-profit organization, if the Brown
Foundation so directs. At this point, I've been able to determine that there is a total of
$1,209,479.32 on deposit with the ASU Foundation for the Origins Project's operating
expenses. Some of that may be from other donors, so it is possible that not all of it would be
transferred. But whatever is attributable to the Brown Foundation would be transferred,
provided that the Brown Foundation directs the ASU Foundation to do so and tells it what
nonprofit should receive the funds.
Although I do not agree with your analysis, we will agree to remove the reference to the ADEA
from the release paragraph, which should put an end to the discussion regarding whether it is
necessary to provide your client with a review period or the option to revoke.
ASU is not willing to extend the retirement date beyond May 2019 or make additional
payments, nor is it willing to transfer the funds in its local accounts to another institution.
I have attached a revised agreement along these lines. I am available for discussion as needed.
Best wishes,
Kim
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