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1 2 APPEARANCES: OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL BY: BY: WITNESS: DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OF OTHER APPEARANCES: NONE OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AUGUST 4, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 3 4 1 The recorder is on. My 1 credentials. 2 name is and I am a Senior 2 : Thank you. And I'm 3 Special Agent with the U.S. Department of 3 II . 4 Justice, Office of the Inspector General, New 4 Okay. And what is your 5 York Field Office, and these are my 5 position? 6 credentials. 6 : Supervisory Correctional 7 : Okay. 7 Systems Suecialist. 8 This interview with 8 Great. Thank you. This 9 Federal Bureau of Prisons employee 9 is an official DOJ/OIG investigation into the 10 is being conducted as part of an official U.S. 10 death of inmate Jeffrey Epstein, and the 11 Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector 11 surrounding circumstances, and you are being 12 General, DOJ/OIG investigation. Today's date 12 asked to voluntarily provide answers to our 13 is August 4, 2021, and the time is 1:22 p.m. 13 questions. Will you agree to a voluntary 14 This interview is being conducted at the 14 interview with the DOJ/OIG? 15 Metropolitan Correctional Center, the MCC, 15 : Yes. 16 located in New York, New York. Also present is 16 : Thank you. So, there's a 17 DOJ/OIG Special Agent . This 17 form here. It's the United States Department 18 interview will be recorded by me, 18 of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, 19 . 19 Warnings and Assurances to Employee Requested 20 Could everyone please identify themselves 20 to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. 21 for the record and spell your last name. To 21 "You are being asked to provide information as 22 start wain I am DO] OIG Senior Siecial Agent 22 part of an investigation being conducted by the 23 23 Office of the Inspector General. This 24 : This is DOJ/OIG Special Agent 24 investigation is being conducted, pursuant to 25 , , and these are my 25 the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. EFTA00114743  S 6 1 This investigation pertains to job performance 1 says employee's signature. If you sign there, 2 failure and security failure. This is a 2 and then em loyee's name 3 voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not 3 Okay. 4 have to answer questions. No disciplinary 4 -- you can print your S action will be taken against you if you choose 5 name there. Thank you. 6 not to answer questions. Any statements you 6 : You want my whole name? I'll 7 furnish may be used as evidence in any future 7 put it on there. (Indiscernible *00:02:38) 8 criminal proceedings or agency disciplinary 8 What time is it? 9 proceedings, or both." 9 1:24 p.m. 10 And there's a waiver section. It says, "I 10 : Thank you for completing 11 understand the warnings and assurances stated 11 that. I can fill in the rest, though. 12 above, and I am willing to make a statement and 12 Okay. 13 answer questions. No promises or threats have 13 : So, where it says, 14 been made to me, and no pressure or coercion of 14 employee's name, is it something other than 15 any kind has been used against me." 15 or 16 So, again, it's just reminding you that 16 : No. That's me. 17 you do not have to answer our questions. If 17 Oh, that's a W? 18 there's something you feel uncomfortable with 18 Yeah, that's a W. 19 or if you want to stop at any time, you can 19 Oh, I thought it was a G. 20 say, e I can, I'm done. 20 no, that's a W. 21 : Okay. 21 Thank you. I'm filling 22 : Make sense? 22 in the MCC, New York, as the place. And I'm 23 : Yes. 23 oin to sign. Again, this is 24 : Awesome. So, if you 24 and print my name. And Special 25 agree with that, here, you can review this. It 25 Agent can you please sign? 7 8 1 : This is Agent . I'm 1 Thank you. And your DOB? 2 signin as the witness. 2 ril 2000, I think, 21. 3 : All right. And if any of 3 April 2021? 4 these, you don't feel comfortable answering, 4 My date of birth? Oh, 5 that's totall fine. 5 6 : Okay. 6 Well, welcome. What's 7 . 16 This is just to verify 7 number? 8 who you are. Oh, first, before we start, I 8 9 need to place you under oath. Can you please 9 And what is your current 10 raise our right hand? 10 cellphone number? 11 12 13 14 SW Uh-huh. : Do you swear to tell the 12 truth and nothing but the truth during this interview? 11 13 14 level of education? And what is your highest Associates Degree. 15 Yes. 15 : And what is that degree 16 : Awesome. And if there is 16 i n? 17 anything you don't understand or you want me to 17 : In Criminal Justice. 18 rephrase or ask it another way, please, by all 18 : And where is that from? 19 means -- 19 20 Okay. 20 : And where is that? 21 -- ask me to do so and I 21 In Georgia. 22 will. What is your current home address? 22 : In Georgia? 23 23 : Uh-huh. 24 24 : Is, the name of the, 25 25 what's the town? EFTA00114744  9 10 1 : I don't, 1 Great. Do you have any 2 It's an online school. 2 militar 3 4 r 5 school. Oh, okay. nationally-accredited online 4 3 5 Okay. And how long have you served with the Bureau of Prisons? 6 Okay, great. And when 6 : It's 20 years, 20-1/2 years, 7 did you attend? 7 it will be 21 in A ril. 8 : I attended in 2017, and I 8 : Do you recall your Enter 9 finished in 2019. 9 on Dut date? 10 Okay. Great. And what 10 : April 2000. I don't know the 11 rior to working for the BOP? 11 day, but I know the year, 2001. 12 : I used to work for 12 So April 2001? 13 . I used to 13 : Uh-huh. 14 work for a detention center. They used to 14 : Great. And when did you, 15 contract illegal immigrant kids and stuff like 15 do you remember when you went to BOP training, 16 that, for the overnment. 16 when 17 : Okay. And when did you 17 : I went in August of 2001. I 18 do that? 18 went in, yeah, August, either July or August, 19 : I did that in, I started here 19 and I came back a week before 9/11 hit. 20 in 2001. I started there, I think it was in 20 : Okay. And what is your 21 1998, I'm thinkin . '97, '98. 21 curreiiiiiiiiion with the BOP? 22 : So you did that for, 22 : Supervisory Correctional 23 like, three or four years? 23 Systems S ecialist. 24 : Yeah, three or four years, 24 : Are you familiar with 25 yes. 25 Jeffrey Epstein? 11 12 1 : Yeah. I heard, he's all on 1 And you supervise all of 2 the news and stuff like that, and he was here. 2 that staff? 3 So, yeah. 3 Uh-huh. 4 Okay. Great. Sorry. 4 : And how long have you 5 I'm going to circle back to that last question. 5 been -- 6 : Okay. 6 : Yeah. It's another supervisor 7 As that Supervisory 7 there also. 8 Correctional Services -- 8 Oh, there's two of you? 9 : Uh-huh. 9 : Yeah, it's two of us. 10 -- Specialist, what does 10 And who is the other one? 11 that job duty and responsibilities, what does 11 : Her name is 12 that all entail? 12 13 : I'm the supervisor of intake, 13 Do you happen to know how 14 intake and receiving, receiving and discharge 14 to spell that last name? 15 of inmates, when they come in and when they 15 But she goes 16 leave. 16 by 17 Okay. 17 Oh, okay. 18 : We supervise the staff. 18 : Yeah. 19 : And you, so, basically, 19 So, is a second 20 is that considered R&D? 20 last name? 21 R&D, yes. 21 : Yeah. Uh-huh. 22 : So, receiving and 22 . Uh-huh. 23 dischiiiiiiiii 23 : Okay. Okay. And do you, 24 : Yes. Receiving and 24 like, differentiate between your duties, the 25 discharging. Yes. 25 two of you? EFTA00114745  13 14 1 : No, not really. We all do the 1 position at that time, correct? 2 same thin' cause we're on different shifts. 2 : Yes. 3 : Okay. 3 : And you have already 4 : So, we do the same thing on 4 described your duties and responsibilities. 5 each shift. 5 Did you have any interaction or involvement 6 : Okay. So you both are 6 with Epstein during his stay at the MCC? 7 responsible for the same thing? 7 : No. 8 : Yes. Uh-huh. 8 : What about when he came 9 : Just different times of 9 in or when he -- 10 day? 10 : No. I don't recall. No. I 11 : Just the times of day, yes. 11 don't think I ever seen him. 12 : How long have you been in 12 : No? 13 that •osition? 13 : Huh-uh. No. 14 : I've been in the position, it 14 : Okay. 15 will be three ears in April. 15 : Huh-uh. 16 : And do you remember when 16 : Not on suicide watch or 17 you started? 17 anythin' like that? 18 : I started in April 2019. 18 : No. Huh-uh. 19 : Okay. Great. All right. 19 : Or in SHU? 20 Now, are ou familiar with Jeffrey Epstein? 20 : No. 21 : Yes. 21 : Okay. 22 : Okay. And was he housed 22 : Huh-uh. 23 within the MCC in July and August of 2019? 23 : Do you recall if you 24 : Yes. I think so. Yes. 24 actually worked at the MCC on August 9th and 25 : And you had the same 25 10th, 2019? 15 16 1 : I don't recall, but I probably 1 years a'o. 2 did day watch, 6 to 2. I probably was here 2 Sure. 3 Burin the da ,. 3 : So I don't remember who was 4 : Okay. So, 6 a.m. to 2 4 on. 5 p.m.? 5 Do you all, like, so, R&D 6 : Yes. 6 is a different piece with us. We have, like, 7 On August 9th? 7 all, like, the, oh, what is it called, the 8 : Uh-huh. I probably was. I 8 daily, like, schedule and logs of everybody who 9 got to look at m -- 9 worked -- 10 That would be a Friday. 10 : All the lieutenants, yeah, 11 : Yeah. I have to look at it, 11 that's the lieutenant log. 12 and see if I was here. 12 : Yeah. Do you guys, well, 13 . Okay. And would they 13 this is different. I'm talking about, like, 14 have been the same duties and responsibilities 14 the, like, who was working in the custody side 15 that ou have described? 15 of the house. Do you guys have, like, anything 16 : Yes. Yes. 16 like that, like, for instance, here would be 17 : Okay. 17 the Aiiiiiiiii 2019 daily assignment roster. 18 : Uh-huh. 18 : Yeah. We have a daily 19 : And who would you 19 assignment but not a roster. 20 primaiiiiiiiii with during that time? 20 : Okay. 21 : I work with all the CSOs, 21 : It's a daily assignment. It 22 Correctional Systems Officers. I don't know 22 will have, like, everybody's name that's on it, 23 who was on that da -- 23 and we 'List check off who is here. 24 Okay. 24 Okay. 25 : -- cause that was, like, two 25 : And then we'll put who is not EFTA00114746  17 18 1 here, like, AL for Annual Leave, SL for Sick 1 : He's over in Brooklyn now. 2 Leave. But we do have that, but it doesn't 2 : Okay. 3 look like that. 3 : Over there. 4 Okay. So, would we be 4 : And what was his position 5 able to go back and see who actually worked on 5 then? 6 August 9 2019? 6 He's a CMC. 7 : Ninth, yes, we should have it. 7 : What does a CMC stand 8 Yes. 8 for? 9 Can I ask you terribly to 9 Case Manager Coordinator. 10 do me some favors and start, can you, can we 10 : Okay. 11 start a list and ask you to, like, provide some 11 : Yeah. CMC, Case Manager 12 of this stuff for us? 12 Coordinator. Uh-huh. 13 : Yeah. You can write it down. 13 : And who would be the Case 14 Uh-huh. 14 Manager Coordinator now? 15 Awesome. So, if you want 15 16 to start, , just, the first one would be 16 Mir 0h, he's still the same 17 who was assigned on August 9th, August 8th and 17 one? 18 9th, 2019. And did you report to anyone? Who 18 : But he's still the same 19 did yiiiiiiiii to back then? 19 person but he's 'ust over in Brooklyn. 20 : My supervisor was 20 : When you say Brooklyn, at 21 (Phonetic Sp. *00:10:12) We call him 21 the MDC? 22 can't even pronounce, we call, his last name, I 22 : MDC, Brooklyn. Yes. 23 can't even pronounce his last name, but we call 23 : Okay. 24 him 24 t: Yes. 25 Okay. 25 : And did all those people 19 20 1 that you mentioned that work in R&D, did they 1 any information with regard to any suspicious 2 report to ou? 2 activity that occurred on August 9th or 10th, 3 Yes. 3 2019 -- 4 . Okay. 4 : No. 5 Uh-huh. Me and 5 : -- leading up to the 6 Okay. And were you 6 discover of Epstein in his cell? 7 previously interviewed under this 7 : No. 8 investigation? 8 : No? Okay. So, these 9 No. 9 are, now, we'll get into kind of the reason why 10 • No? 10 we're here, is to get into this documentation. 11 Huh-uh. 11 So, we have, there's an inmate, it's, Epstein 12 • Do you have any, what is 12 was housed with a cellmate named Efrain Reyes. 13 your understanding of what happened to Epstein 13 : Uh-huh. 14 on Auiiiiiiiiland 10th of 2019? 14 : And we have a couple of 15 : That he just committed 15 things comin from the U.S. Marshalls Service. 16 suicide. That's it. 16 : Okay. 17 : Okay. So, do you know 17 : Saying what was going on 18 how he died? 18 with Efrain Reyes. So, here is one. It says 19 No. Huh-uh. 19 it's from a Sampson (Phonetic Sp. *00:12:04) 20 : No? Do you know if he, 20 Choo. 21 like, died of hanging or anything like that? 21 : Yeah, Choo. Uh-huh. 22 : I guess it was hanging. I 22 : C-H-0-0. It was sent on 23 heard it was hanging, but I don't, I didn't 23 Thursda Au ust 8, 2019, at 10:34 a.m. 24 reall , like, ask, cause -- 24 : Uh-huh. 25 : Okay. And do you have 25 : And it's, you're one of EFTA00114747  21 22 1 the, it looks like it says R (Indiscernible 1 person with the Marshalls Service, saying - 2 *00:12:14 2 3 Yeah, that's all R&D. Yeah. 3 4 : Okay. So, it was sent to 4 : -huh. 5 all R&D. 5 E : Uh.6 Again, this is all, like, 6 : Uh-huh. Yeah. 6 R&D. 7 : And yourself, and it 7 R&D and other staff, yes. 8 says, "Transfer of Prisoners from NYM to Geo." 8 : As well as the 9 To Geo, yes. 9 lieutenants and, okay. 10 : So, is that from the MCC 10 es. Uh-huh. 11 to the contract facility? 12 : Yeah, from MCC, and he's 11 12 "Prisoner i : There's you, and it says, production, 8/9/2019." Thursday, 13 transferrin to Geo, yes. 13 August 8, 2019. 14 : Okay. Great. And then, 14 Was sent out -- 15 in the body, it says, "The following prisoners 15 : That was sent at 3:36 16 are to be transferred." 16 p.m. 17 Yes. 17 Uh-huh. 18 : It says Jayvon Busey 18 : And then within it, it 19 (Phonetic Sp. '00:12:37) and then Efrain Reyes. 19 has the prisoner's schedule report, and the 20 Yes. 20 second person, there are the two people that I 21 : "Please schedule transfer 21 just listed -- 22 for Frida 9/19." 22 Yes. 23 : Uh-huh. 23 -- and the second person 24 : And we have another one, 24 being Efrain Reyes. 25 the same date, it says it's from a different 25 : Yes. 23 24 1 And it says, "Transfer 1 movement. 2 within." 2 Okay. So, based upon 3 Yes. 3 this, does this, cause this person also is 4 : Does this tell you what 4 listed as transfer within, court. 5 happened with Efrain Reyes? 5 : Yeah, and court. Yes. 6 : This just says that he 6 : And everybody else -- 7 transferred to Geo. That's it. That's what 7 : Uh-huh. 8 this saes. He's transferring. 8 -- no one else has that 9 Okay. 9 next to their name. They all have, like, 10 : That's all it says. But right 10 senteiiiiiiiiiring, sentencing, status hearing. 11 here, when they do a transfer, I don't know, 11 : Yeah, but that still, the type 12 like, right here, this says court. So, I don't 12 is court. That's just what they're going to 13 know if he went out to court and then they 13 court for. 14 transferred him ou see what I'm saying? 14 : Right. So, this one, 15 Uh-huh. 15 though, being that says transfer within, court 16 M r : Cause this says court. And 16 17 plus, as me being a supervisor, I don't do the 17 : Transfer, he's transferring, 18 movement. 18 and he Indiscernible *00:14:16). 19 : Okay. So who, who -- 19 : Does that mean he was 20 : I'm not the movement officer. 20 going to court, or that's just an automatic 21 : So who would do that? 21 field? 22 22 : I guess that's automatically, 23 would be the one? 23 they put that there, cause this is the U.S. 24 : Yes. Yeah, she does the 24 Marshalls form. So, I think they automatically 25 movement. %le and , we don't do the 25 just put that there. I think what it is, is EFTA00114748  25 26 1 that when they come and pick up the inmates, 1 : Okay. 2 cause the U.S. Marshalls will pick up the 2 : That the BOP, that we just go 3 inmates. 3 on Sentry and do a PP 64 and put the reg 4 : Uh-huh. 4 number, and we put T for transfer, and down at 5 : And they will transfer them. 5 the bottom, we could put as many reg, I think 6 So, I guess they go sit over there, like 6 it's like 20 reg numbers down there, of whoever 7 they're going to court, and then Geo comes over 7 inmates are leaving, and then a 64 will be 8 there and they pick them up from the U.S. 8 printed out. 9 Marshalls. 9 : Okay. 10 : Okay. 10 : And it's just a transit form. 11 : That's how it works. 11 : Now is there something 12 : So, when someone is 12 that's like, would these people be placed on 13 transferred, so, when these people are 13 the court list, though? 14 transferred from here to Geo -- 14 : Yes. Yes. 15 : Uh-huh. 15 : Okay, so they would be 16 : -- what document is 16 put on the court -- 17 created by, I guess it sounds like , but 17 : They would be placed on the 18 by the BOP Indiscernible *00:14:53). 18 court list es. Yes. 19 : We only do like a, we need, 19 : And what would it say 20 like a transfer receipt from the Marshalls, 20 next to their name? 21 saying that they're going to transfer and we 21 : WAB. 22 usuall List need a 64. 22 : And that's it? 23 : Uh-huh. 23 : Yes. That's it. 24 : And a medical summary. A 64 24 : Okay. 25 is a transit form. 25 : Uh-huh. That's what she 27 28 1 usuall uts, WAB, on there. 1 So, would those people 2 : Now, if that court list 2 know if he was going to court or being 3 is provided to us, so if Epstein was housed in 3 transferred? 4 the SHU, the SHU would be provided that court 4 They wouldn't know that. 5 list, correct? 5 : They wouldn't know that? 6 Yes. 6 They would know it was WAB? 7 : It would say -- 7 : Cause it's really, like, it's 8 : It would be like a, it's like 8 reall none of their business. 9 a roster. It's not -- 9 Right. Okay. 10 I said Epstein, I'm 10 : Yeah. They would just know 11 sorry, I mean, Efrain Reyes. 11 that he's one. You know what I mean? 12 : Yeah, it's like -- 12 : Well, because, like, kind 13 If Reyes was housed in 13 of like when you said, when I said, you knew 14 the SHU 14 who Efrain, or, you know, Epstein was or is, 15 : It's like a roster. They 15 you said, eah, he went to court. 16 wouldn't get this or anything like that. It's 16 : Yeah. Uh-huh. 17 just like you go on Sentry and you print out a 17 Cause, is that -- 18 roster and it will have his name on there, and 18 : Yeah, cause, I'm - 19 then we'll write down what unit he's on, and 19 • -- so, like, that's 20 then internal will come and pick it up, or they 20 actuaiiiiiiiiiumor? 21 will hand it out, whatever, whoever is going 21 : That's what, that's what it 22 out to court, that's the unit that they give 22 would be, or we'll call up there, like, are you 23 the court list to. 23 going to send Efrain Reyes down, and they will 24 Okay. 24 say, yeah, he's going to court, and then if he 25 : That's how it works. 25 doesn't come back, we might call up there, or EFTA00114749  29 30 1 they will know that he's not, cause he's not, 1 Okay. And I think this 2 or the '11 call us and ask us. 2 may have been what you were saying. Is there 3 • Okay. 3 any way for the SHU staff to know, he's leaving 4 : You know? Or something like 4 and niiiiiiiii back, rather than -- 5 that. So, they should have, I'm thinking they 5 : See, we don't, like, it 6 should have known we would have probably, 6 depends. Cause we really don't, we really 7 somebody probably would have told them that he 7 don't tell them, like, if I talk to them, I 8 wasn't comin back he was getting transferred. 8 might sa like he's not coming back. 9 : Okay. So, as far as 9 : Okay. 10 this, there's the daily log, 8/9/2019, and on 10 S: Or so, I might tell them, so I ill 11 the third page of this shows Reyes, pre- 11 don't know, on that day, who called up there 12 removed. 12 and told them to have him ready, you know what 13 : Yes. 13 I mean? And have him ready, and he's not 14 : Now, if he was just going 14 comin back. 15 to court -- 15 : Now, who would normally 16 : It would say court. 16 call and tell them that? 17 : Yeah. It wouldn't say 17 : It would be the person that's 18 pre-removed? 18 workino in R&D. 19 : It wouldn't say pre-removed. 19 • Okay. So would it be 20 Yes. 20 probabl for this, as well? 21 So, this is, by looking 21 : It wouldn't be . Yeah, 22 at all of this, I'm assuming you can tell, 22 she just does the movement. 23 yeah, he was never going to court. He was 23 Okay. 24 alwayiliiiiilio be transferred? 24 : That's it. 25 : He was going, yes. Yes. Yes. 25 : It wouldn't have been 31 32 1 her? 1 "with all belongings." 2 No, it wouldn't have been her. 2 : Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's 3 : All right. 3 true. 4 : She just does the movement. 4 So, a person who would 5 So, it would be the person that's on the front 5 say, yeah, I know it's with all belongings, 6 desk. 6 and, you know, we know it's very likely there 7 So, if the people that 7 is not going to come back, but we don't know 8 escorted Re es down -- 8 for sure. Does that sound at all reasonable? 9 : Uh-huh. 9 : They probably would have 10 • -- to R&D and they knew 10 asked, like, called to see if he was coming 11 that WAB was actually, in fact, listed next to 11 back. Like, it was after, maybe 4:00 or 12 his name -- 12 somethin like that -- 13 Uh-huh. 13 : Then they usually would - 14 -- should have they known 14 15 that he is not coming back, if it says WAB? 15 : -- they probably would have 16 Not really. 16 asked if he was coming back, cause, like, when 17 : No? 17 I first transferred here, I worked in Brooklyn 18 : Because they don't work R&D. 18 and then I transferred to Butner. I didn't 19 You see what I mean? They work custody. 19 know what WAB meant -- 20 Okay. 20 Right. 21 : So, it depends who was up 21 until I got here, cause we 22 there. It could have been new staff, who 22 don't use WAB ou see what I mean? 23 knows. Cause a lot of people don't know what 23 : Yeah, but if these 24 WAB does. 24 people, if these people absolutely said no, we 25 Well, they know it means 25 know what WAB is -- EFTA00114750  33 34 1 AB, yes. 1 staff, some people are saying, yep, I knew he 2 -- but they thought, you 2 was WAB, but there's always a chance that he 3 know, if they're claiming, well, we thought he 3 could, he could have returned. Is that a legit 4 was going to court, and there's always a chance 4 5 he could come back from court? So, see what 5 No. Not a WAG. 6 I'm sa in ? So, with this guy -- 6 : No? So, a WAB, they 7 : Yeah. 7 should have known he ain't coming back? 8 -- so this goes, so where 8 : Huh-uh. He's not coming back • 9 this fits in is, Epstein, did you know that 9 Yeah. 10 Epstein was required to have a cellmate? 10 : Okay. 11 I didn't know that, no. 11 WAG. 12 : Okay. So, he was 12 : Okay. 13 required to have a cellmate, and Reyes was his 13 : Unless we tell you something 14 cellmate. 14 different. But a WAB, he's not coming back. 15 Okay. 15 : Okay. So, it's the 16 : So, part of the reason 16 primary uestion then. 17 why they're saying that Epstein died is because 17 : Yes. 18 his cellmate was removed and never replaced. 18 : Great. So, again, to 19 So, you know, some people say it's because of 19 you, so, (Indiscernible *00:20:19), he was 20 the 30 minute rounds, or a lot of it is the 20 being transferred, not going to court. 21 combination, some people are saying, well, 21 : Not going to court. But I 22 there was no one in his cell, so he took 22 guess the Marshall just took court, because 23 advanta e of not having anybody in there. 23 when they come, if a WAB is leaving with the 24 : Okay. 24 Marshalls, they usually just put court, because 25 So, in this case, the SHU 25 they pick the inmates up -- 35 36 1 All the same -- 1 know he's transferring to another state. 2 everybody at the same time, 2 That's another state facility that houses 3 and take them over there, so that's why they 3 federal inmates for the Marshalls. And then 4 have court. 4 this one is the list that the Marshalls put 5 Okay. 5 out, also, so they kind of go hand-in-hand. 6 : On their form. 6 : How the pick-up itself is 7 : So, this is, anytime we 7 (Indiscernible *00:21:30). 8 present someone with documents, you just ask 8 : Yes, how the pick-up, yes. 9 them to initial and date it. 9 But everything is going to say court on the 10 Okay. 10 side, because the Marshalls are going to pick 11 : It's not to vouch for 11 up, when they pick up the court, they're 12 the, not certifying it's accurate, just so you 12 pickiiiiiiiiiiIWABs also. 13 can say, this is what we discussed. 13 : And on that court document, 14 : What I saw. Okay. 14 you might have answered this already, the court 15 So, just anywhere. And 15 document that's created internally, it would 16 it is the 4th. 16 have said WAB? 17 : So, the two emails, 17 : Yeah. Like, it's like almost, 18 technically, what you're saying, this goes 18 a recei t a transfer receipt that we do. 19 hand-in-hand, one says he's being transferred, 19 : Okay. 20 the other one states that he is being picked up 20 : And it will say WAB. It will 21 by the Marshalls (Indiscernible *00:21:09). 21 say, like, it will say his reg number, his 22 : Yeah. Yeah. They both go 22 name, and it will say his unit and it will say 23 hand-in-hand, because this one is the 23 pre-removed, so pre-removed, that means he's 24 Marshalls, that they're telling us, but they're 24 not comin back. You know what I mean? 25 telling us WAG, he's going to Geo. So, we'll 25 : And that's (Indiscernible EFTA00114751  37 38 1 *00:22:04). 1 : But we just want an example. 2 : Pre-removed. Yeah. He's not 2 : Now we have to sign. 3 coming back. So that's what would it be. It 3 : If you can provide us -- 4 wouldliiiiiiiiiemoved. 4 : Okay. 5 : Do you have a copy of an : I'll put that on here. 6 example of what that court document looks like? 6 : I'll put that, write that 7 No, ri ht? Is it ossible that we -- 7 down. Write down Marshalls, like a Marshalls 8 : The court list? 8 receipt. And I can give you a copy of it. 9 : The court list. Do we, if 9 I'll black, can I blacken out the inmate's 10 you can rovide us with one? 10 photos on there? 11 : We don't have, huh-uh. 11 : That's fine. 12 : No, not that one, but any 12 : Photos and the name, if 13 type of -- 13 you want. 14 : Which one? 14 : Okay. 15 : -- what it looks like? 15 : We just need to see -- 16 : Any samples? 16 : You just want to see -- 17 : Yeah. 17 : -- what it says next to 18 : I could -- 18 their names. 19 : Has it changed since that 19 : Yeah, their new one. 20 time, that document? 20 : (Indiscernible *00:23:03) 21 : Cause we do a, but, yeah, the 21 differentiate -- 22 Marshalls, now they got a picture on theirs, 22 : The ones that the Marshalls -- 23 the picture of the inmate and stuff like that. 23 : -- somebody is going to 24 And now we sign for it. I don't know if that's 24 court or someone is being transferred, you 25 because of Epstein. I don't know. 25 know. 39 40 1 Okay. 1 : Because that would be 2 : With that, just so we can 2 would, yeah, she would have did it, because she 3 say, like, cause, like you said, you don't have 3 would email to the unit team and to medical, 4 that court list anymore? 4 statin that she needs a medical summary form. 5 No. Huh-uh. No. Huh-uh. 5 : Okay. So, and she would 6 : And are they maintained 6 have sent the court list? 7 for an amount of period of them? 7 : Yeah, she would have sent the, 8 We, no. Huh-uh. 8 like, not, see, he would, since he is WAB, it 9 : So that day, you get rid 9 would be a receipt that she would send out, 10 of them? 10 saying that she needed a medical summary and a 11 Uh-huh. Yeah. 11 64 for him. 12 : And there are never 12 Okay. Make sure you're 13 emailiiiiiiiiihing? 13 documiiiiiiiiiose, too. 14 : I don't know how far my emails 14 : Yeah, they wouldn't get the, 15 are going to go back. You see what I'm saying? 15 they wouldn't get the court list, like the unit 16 I don't think m emails go all the way back. 16 team that, his unit team and the medical 17 : Well, we have access to 17 department wouldn't get the court list. She 18 be able to et everybody's emails. 18 would do her own one and send it, saying that 19 : Okay. 19 they're leaving, those two are leaving and can 20 Cause we actually got 20 you please send me a medical summary and a 64? 21 those, some of these from -- 21 : But the actual court list 22 : So, you could probably look 22 wouldn't be emailed to anybody? 23 and see. 23 : Yeah. It probably would. I 24 But are they ever 24 don't know how the Marshall was doing it at 25 emailed? 25 that time. I think they were doing it just EFTA00114752  41 42 1 like that. But we don't email the Marshalls 1 Okay. So, it's never 2 court list to an body like that. 2 kept for an eriod of time, really? 3 : No, no, no. I mean, 3 : No. Huh-uh. 4 like, don't you create what you give to the 4 Printed out, given out -- 5 SHU, 5 : Given out. Yeah. Uh-huh. 6 : It's a roster. It's on a, 6 -- then (Indiscernible 7 when we o on Sentry, that's how it's created. 7 *00:25:10) shredded. 8 : But is it still on 8 : Yeah. 9 Sentr , that -- 9 Trashed? 10 : No. It gets deleted. 10 Uh-huh. 11 . Okay. 11 All right. So there's no 12 : Yeah. And we get a new, we do 12 way for us, whatever was created, saying what 13 a new one. 13 it said next to Efrain Reyes's name, whether it 14 Every day? 14 said WAB or not, there's to tell -- 15 : Yeah. And that's what 15 : I can ask l= to see -- 16 does.