This Decision Saves Lives

[00:00:00] This time we're going beyond that. We're [00:00:02] saying support for the NIH has had [00:00:04] especially during the B administration [00:00:06] for human fetal tissue research more [00:00:09] broadly outside in universities um this [00:00:12] derived from abortions is banned. Well, [00:00:15] Dr. Jay Bacharia of course is now the [00:00:17] director of the National Institutes of [00:00:19] Health and was previously tenure [00:00:20] professor at the school of medicine at [00:00:22] Stanford University among other [00:00:24] superlatives. Dr. Bacharia, thanks so [00:00:26] much for joining the program. Really [00:00:27] appreciate it. [00:00:28] >> Thanks for having me on, Ben. It's nice [00:00:29] to see you again. [00:00:31] >> So, let's talk about what the [00:00:32] administration just did with regard to [00:00:35] fetal tissue research. [00:00:38] >> Yeah. So, uh human fetal tissue research [00:00:40] is um I mean obviously it's been a quite [00:00:42] a controversial topic for a long time. [00:00:44] The NIH um had a big debate in the early [00:00:48] 2000s over this. Um it's the the tissue [00:00:51] itself is often derived from from [00:00:55] aborted fetal tissue. So you know [00:00:57] someone has an abortion and then some [00:01:00] researcher goes and buys the tissue and [00:01:03] then uses it for research projects. Um [00:01:06] the uh during Trump Trump won the the [00:01:09] the policy was that if uh so there's two [00:01:12] parts of the NIH there's intramural [00:01:13] researchers that directly work for the [00:01:14] NIH and there's extra mural all the [00:01:16] people that the NIH funds all in the [00:01:18] universities. Trump won banned [00:01:20] intramural use of aborted fetal tissue [00:01:24] uh human fetal tissue. Um this time [00:01:27] we're going beyond that and we're saying [00:01:29] not just the intramural research but all [00:01:31] of the support for the NIH has had [00:01:34] especially during the B administration [00:01:36] for human fetal tissue research more [00:01:38] broadly outside in universities um this [00:01:42] derived from abortions is banned. Um the [00:01:46] the uh sorry Brad just there's one a [00:01:48] couple of nuances really important here. [00:01:50] Um one is that if there's tissue from a [00:01:52] miscarriage not from a specifically from [00:01:54] an abortion that's okay. The reason [00:01:57] that's important there are some research [00:01:58] uses like for instance understanding how [00:02:00] fetal lungs develop. That's useful to [00:02:02] know to have that. So there's some um [00:02:05] we've been tracking this very carefully [00:02:07] and the use of human fetal tissue and [00:02:09] research has been declining pretty [00:02:10] sharply even after the Biden [00:02:12] administration sort of reversed the ban. [00:02:14] um you the the the amount of money that [00:02:16] the NIH has spent on human fetal tissue [00:02:18] during the B administration research has [00:02:20] declined very sharply. And so what's [00:02:23] happened is there's all these like big [00:02:25] advances where you can use alternate [00:02:27] methods that you no longer need human [00:02:29] fetal tissue and fights over this that [00:02:31] happened over the in the early 2000s. I [00:02:33] think now that there there's like better [00:02:34] technology. U we we it's really that the [00:02:39] point is that that there's no scientific [00:02:40] harm to this. we're still going to be [00:02:42] able to do the this the science we need [00:02:43] to make it, you know, for human health, [00:02:45] for advancing health health of babies [00:02:47] and all that. Um while at the same time [00:02:51] getting rid of this this this sort of um [00:02:54] uh this sort of like uh use of aborted [00:02:56] human fetal tissue which so many people [00:02:58] including me find morally abhorent. [00:03:00] >> So let's talk about the scientific value [00:03:03] here. So you say obviously and so does [00:03:05] the administration that the use of [00:03:06] aborted fetal tissue is now largely [00:03:08] unnecessary. have alternative methods [00:03:10] for doing this. Obviously, opponents of [00:03:12] the policy are suggesting that something [00:03:14] terrible is happening scientifically [00:03:16] that research that would have gone uh [00:03:18] that would have been happening is is no [00:03:20] longer going to be done that there will [00:03:21] be medical gains that that we have to [00:03:23] forego because of all of this. What is [00:03:25] the scientific case that that's false? [00:03:27] >> Well, first I I would ask them to look [00:03:29] at the actual policy, right? So, uh, [00:03:32] someone who's had a miscarriage and then [00:03:34] wants to, you know, do a meaningful [00:03:36] thing to, uh, of what that and and they [00:03:38] donate the the tissue from the the the [00:03:41] miscarriage to science, that's still [00:03:43] allowed, right? So, it's this is the [00:03:46] only the only ban is on you have an [00:03:48] abortion specifically to, you know, have [00:03:50] the to terminate the baby and then you [00:03:54] then then the b the the tissue then gets [00:03:56] sold. That's what's being banned. Not [00:03:59] all fetal human fetal tissue. [00:04:01] >> New year and new system is January. [00:04:03] That's when we finally address those [00:04:04] messy business processes and ask, isn't [00:04:06] there a better way? There is. [00:04:07] Streamlining your communications is one [00:04:09] of the fastest, easiest upgrades you can [00:04:11] make. That's why today's episode is [00:04:12] brought to you by Quo, spelled Quo, the [00:04:15] smarter way to run your business [00:04:16] communications. Quo is a business phone [00:04:18] system that actually works the way [00:04:20] modern teams do, right from your phone [00:04:21] or computer, wherever you happen to be. 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[00:04:58] That's quo.com/benquo. [00:05:01] No missed calls, no missed customers. [00:05:03] >> The the other thing I point out is Ben [00:05:05] is that if you look at the actual data [00:05:07] on the use of NIH funds for this during [00:05:11] the B administration, there was a sharp [00:05:13] drop in spending on on human fetal [00:05:16] tissue research. And the reason is very [00:05:18] simple. is because of the the advances [00:05:20] in alternatives to the human fetal [00:05:22] tissue. For instance, induced polyoproin [00:05:25] stem cells for for many uses is you can [00:05:28] produce tissues that are uh comparable [00:05:30] or better uh without having the sort of [00:05:33] moral qualms. Uh and man, if I make [00:05:36] another make another sort of public [00:05:37] health case about this. Um and uh during [00:05:41] the pandemic the there were there were [00:05:43] vaccines for instance the Johnson [00:05:45] Johnson vaccine not not an mRNA vaccine [00:05:47] but another technology that was produced [00:05:51] using human uh basically embryionic stem [00:05:55] cells. [00:05:57] I I heard from so many people during the [00:05:59] pandemic that you know Catholics and [00:06:00] others who had qualms about using this [00:06:03] technology because they didn't want to [00:06:05] be use gaining from um what what their [00:06:08] moral system said was a a illicit you [00:06:11] know fruit of the the poison tree right [00:06:14] um you know and I completely sympathize [00:06:16] with this uh in public health and in [00:06:18] science we should seek to produce [00:06:20] knowledge and products that are as [00:06:22] widely uh widely available for everybody [00:06:26] study if there are large numbers of [00:06:28] people with moral systems that say look [00:06:30] if you don't go down this line and use [00:06:33] research do research with uh you know [00:06:35] aborted fetal human fetal tissue I'm not [00:06:37] going to I'm not going to participate in [00:06:39] it I'm not going to a vaccine or [00:06:41] whatever it is I'm not going to use it [00:06:43] well what good was the research if a [00:06:45] large part of the population it feels [00:06:47] ethically bound not to to participate or [00:06:49] use the products of that research [00:06:52] >> well that's Dr. Jay Bachario over at [00:06:54] NIH. Obviously, he is deeply involved in [00:06:57] every aspect of Trump administration [00:06:58] policy, ensuring that the best of [00:07:00] science is brought to bear despite the [00:07:03] left-wing media trying to claim that [00:07:04] science is somehow on the back burner in [00:07:06] the administration. Dr. Barachari [00:07:07] ensures that is not the case. Dr. [00:07:08] Barara, really appreciate the time. [00:07:10] >> Thank you, Ben. Nice to talk with you as [00:07:12] always. [00:07:12] >> Stop in the name of love. Did you like [00:07:14] this clip? Well, you can view more clips [00:07:16] like it by subscribing to the new Ben [00:07:18] Shapiro clips channel down below.